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Chaz Schilens ? (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
A hurt, never has been getting fed the ball from a monumental bust on a team led by a guy who still thinks rhinestones are a good look. Sounds like a recipe for success.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
I agree - in my one money league, most of the people commonly mentioned on these boards as waiver wire possibilities got drafted in my league and held on to, or went to the 1st two on the waiver wire, which fortunately I have never seen. Chaz is the kind of player that will likely not pay off - but he is also the player that I have a shot at, so long as I grab him before he starts making hay (if he ever makes hay). I am still debating dropping one of my back up IDP just to see if he does break throughFor those in larger leagues and/or dealing with injuries or byes, none of the guys you mention are available, and have not been available for weeks (Maclin maybe not for a couple weeks). So, you want to lash out at this thread, or should we go to the old "well, I'd like to be in your league!" line.Some of us in larger leagues forsake the WR, and/or get hit by injury and if you have a chance to get a guy who can be a viable #3 for the second half of the season, and maybe even a number 2 come playoff time, well you have to take that chance and get a diamond in the rough.IF he doesnt pan out, so be it. If he does, that could put some teams over the top.I appreciate threads like this - because I dont need someone to tell me that hey, "x" receiver who is not available in most larger, competitive leagues is better than Chad or others who actually are available - and a couple of those available will pan out.Tanner9919 said:Schilens has reached a point on this board, similar to what Tatum Bell was to Fantasy Index a few years ago..i.e., just another highly touted,overrated never-has-been type of player I know he's been hurt, and I know he looked good in preseason..but then again, so did Chris Henry, Cincy Wr.SSOG said:I'm sorry, I just can't get past dumping the other guys on my roster for Schilens..who would you drop for him, Nicks? nope. Maclin? nope. Manningham? nope.Nate Burleson? nope.there's probably 50+ guys who I wouldn't drop for him. I'm not really sure why it's so important to keep talking about Chaz like he's some sort of Jerry Rice v2.0. like I said, Chris Henry tore things up in preseason,and every other preseason for that matter.what's he done in the 'real' games?! not much.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Read my earlier post in this thread. Since he started getting legit playing time late last season, he has looked VERY good with JR. The two definitely seem to have some chemistry. Chaz was the talk of training camp and looked every bit the part in preseason until getting hurt. I know, I know, it was just preseason. But late last year in regular season games he looked just as good.Also remember that this is a guy who was a 7th round rookie last year who didn't see real playing time til late in the season. Some may point to that as a negative but in reality it should be viewed as a positive as he seems to have plenty of room for further growth and development with added experience.
He was drafted b/c of size/speed but what he's shown me is good hands and actual play making ability. I wish I could say the same for DHB. Chaz, OTOH, is a guy who might actually make JR better.
wolfie
Footballguy
Couldn't agree more, in a 15 team, ppr, 16 man rosters, all those guys are gone, Chaz & Urban at wr and Maroney & Green-Ellis at rb, are the hot pickups.For those in larger leagues and/or dealing with injuries or byes, none of the guys you mention are available, and have not been available for weeks (Maclin maybe not for a couple weeks). So, you want to lash out at this thread, or should we go to the old "well, I'd like to be in your league!" line.Some of us in larger leagues forsake the WR, and/or get hit by injury and if you have a chance to get a guy who can be a viable #3 for the second half of the season, and maybe even a number 2 come playoff time, well you have to take that chance and get a diamond in the rough.IF he doesnt pan out, so be it. If he does, that could put some teams over the top.I appreciate threads like this - because I dont need someone to tell me that hey, "x" receiver who is not available in most larger, competitive leagues is better than Chad or others who actually are available - and a couple of those available will pan out.Tanner9919 said:Schilens has reached a point on this board, similar to what Tatum Bell was to Fantasy Index a few years ago..i.e., just another highly touted,overrated never-has-been type of player I know he's been hurt, and I know he looked good in preseason..but then again, so did Chris Henry, Cincy Wr.SSOG said:I'm sorry, I just can't get past dumping the other guys on my roster for Schilens..who would you drop for him, Nicks? nope. Maclin? nope. Manningham? nope.Nate Burleson? nope.there's probably 50+ guys who I wouldn't drop for him. I'm not really sure why it's so important to keep talking about Chaz like he's some sort of Jerry Rice v2.0. like I said, Chris Henry tore things up in preseason,and every other preseason for that matter.what's he done in the 'real' games?! not much.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
The rage being directed toward Schilens in this thread is a bit irrational.
SSOG
Moderator
The following players are currently rostered in one of my leagues:Aaron Brown, Kolby Smith, Louis Murphy, Brodie Croyle, Demetrius Williams, Tim Brandstater, Keith Null, Brandon Jackson, Mark Bradley, Dante Rosario, Jason Avant, Danny Ware, Chansi Stuckey, Anthony Thomas, Najeh Davenport, Reggie Brown, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Jerome Simpson. In addition, there's one empty unused roster spot. Granted, this is in a deep dynasty league, but you can kind of sort of see how someone other than you might find discussion of Schilens slightly relevant, right?Schilens has reached a point on this board, similar to what Tatum Bell was to Fantasy Index a few years ago..i.e., just another highly touted,overrated never-has-been type of player I know he's been hurt, and I know he looked good in preseason..but then again, so did Chris Henry, Cincy Wr.
I'm sorry, I just can't get past dumping the other guys on my roster for Schilens..
who would you drop for him, Nicks? nope. Maclin? nope. Manningham? nope.Nate Burleson? nope.
there's probably 50+ guys who I wouldn't drop for him. I'm not really sure why it's so important to keep talking about Chaz like he's some sort of Jerry Rice v2.0. like I said, Chris Henry tore things up in preseason,and every other preseason for that matter.what's he done in the 'real' games?! not much.
oh,and we ARE still talking about the Raiders, right? the hapless can't get out of their own way Raiders?
Even if you want a far less extreme example... I'm in an 8 team keep 3 league, and here are some players who are currently rostered: Jerious Norwood, Laurent Robinson, Josh Cribbs, Julian Edelman, Matt Prater, Michael Crabtree, Laveranues Coles, Trent Edwards. You don't think there's a greater chance that Schilens becomes a top 36 WR than there is that, say, Trent Edwards becomes a top 12 QB? I absolutely guarantee you that Schilens outproduces Robinson going forward... you know, since Robinson's on IR and all. When you get down to it, Schilens and Crabtree are pretty much exactly the same player... except for Schilens actually knowing the playbook and having met his QB already and all.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Not the first time Shillens and Crabtree have been compared. Very similar open field catching style compared on tape. But Crabtree can't run a 4.4...not in his dreams. And what do we know of his post inury status? Or if Crabtree is quick enough and tough enough vs NFL competition? It will be interesting to compare these two wide receivers this weekend in their first games of the season. In practice, JaMarcus said that "Chaz hasn't missed a beat" referring to his preseason performance and OTA's. Chaz knows the playbook, and is the offensive weapon that Oakland needs. Cable has already said that he would supplant one of the rookie reveivers, he just didn't say which one. Having another relilable target other than Zach Miller will open up the offense dramatically. I think he comes in and makes some instant plays that the rookies on the sidelines would not have made. He is a playmaker, and at home against the Jets, I wont be surprized to see him go off. The chemistry he has with JaMarcus was sorely missed, and part of what led to the dismal start.
Chaz is the #1 receiver on his team. Can you currently find another guy on the waiver wire with that kind of situational potential (potentially Crabtree, but he is NOT the undisputed #1 on his team)?
I don't care if it's for the Raiders or not (okay, maybe I do), but as many of us know, a player's place on the depth chart contributes greatly to his overall success in the offense. I'll gladly take my chances on a #1 coming back from injury who has shown talent in the past. Pure upside for little to no cost.
I don't care if it's for the Raiders or not (okay, maybe I do), but as many of us know, a player's place on the depth chart contributes greatly to his overall success in the offense. I'll gladly take my chances on a #1 coming back from injury who has shown talent in the past. Pure upside for little to no cost.
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Otis
Footballguy
Precisely.
Not expecting much since it's his first game back. But here are my thoughts in this order:1. The only WR last two years in Oak who has had success (Higgins and Bey? Not ready yet)2. Freak of athletic nature 6'4 2253. Coach Cable actually thinking about starting him and he hasn't played a snap yet this year therefore reinforces his talent and on what the Raiders envision him4. Undisputed #1 WR in Oakland hands down. I don't care about Russel's QB rating or what all the critics stats say. Russel did not have Schilenz all year, I think he will be the one who will help Russel develop.
massraider
Footballguy
And this is what it comes down to. If you can grab him, and not cut anyone of too much importance, do it.I hate to say it though, a fantasy footballer over the last 6 years can look pretty smart by betting against any Raider to be fantasy relevant. One other thing that I haven't seen mentioned:Miller has been their only option that defenses have to be worried about. He's been the focal point of the defense all year, with Schilens there, if they have to respect him, it may mean softer coverage for Miller, which hopefully means better targets for Miller, better drives, and more targets for both of them.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
FYI, Schilens was not able to finish today's practice, per Rotoworld. probably not a good sign for any hope of a breakout this weekend.
Setback for Schilens
Maybe the thunderous press release was a little premature.
Raiders wide receiver Chaz Schilens did not finish practice Friday and is now questionable to make his season debut Sunday against the Jets, coach Tom Cable said after practice Friday.
Chaz Schilens, WR, Oakland RaidersFriday 10/23, 3:38 PM CT Chaz Schilens may have suffered a setback on Friday in his long recovery from a broken foot, according to the San Francisco Chronicle's David White.
Our View: The beat goes on for Schilens and his endless rehab. He is now questionable for Sunday, and can't be considered all that likely to play.
Maybe the thunderous press release was a little premature.
Raiders wide receiver Chaz Schilens did not finish practice Friday and is now questionable to make his season debut Sunday against the Jets, coach Tom Cable said after practice Friday.
Chaz Schilens, WR, Oakland RaidersFriday 10/23, 3:38 PM CT Chaz Schilens may have suffered a setback on Friday in his long recovery from a broken foot, according to the San Francisco Chronicle's David White.
Our View: The beat goes on for Schilens and his endless rehab. He is now questionable for Sunday, and can't be considered all that likely to play.
netnalp
Footballguy
Jerry McDonald, of the Contra Costa Times, reports Chaz Schilens did not make it through practice Friday, Oct. 23, because of soreness in his left foot, which puts his status in jeopardy for Week 7. "We don't know if there's anything wrong, so we'll list him as questionable for the game," head coach Tom Cable said. "At this point, we may know something this afternoon or tomorrow, exactly what our play will be. But he's a little sore today. So we shut him down." The snaps will be distributed relatively evenly between WRs Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey if Schilens is able to play.
Totally agre with the two Raider fans. Schilens will help the passing game. He's got the chemistry with Russell, had rave preseason reviews and is an added target for Russell (regardless of his accuracy issues).I actually posted a discussion about Schilens' impact on my blog this morning. Check it out here.
Ditka is God
Footballguy
Good blog ... thanks!
Great blog and good read on Schilenz.
KSU_Shrink
Footballguy
What's the news on Chaz?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
spacevan
Footballguy
Let's go Chaz!!!!
Oakland Raiders' Chaz Schilens eyes his 2009 debut vs. Kansas City Chiefs
By Steve Corkran
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 11/09/2009 09:38:46 PM PST
Updated: 11/10/2009 08:13:13 AM PST
Wide receiver Chaz Schilens is scheduled to play Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs. Finally.
Schilens missed the first eight games of the season while recovering from a broken bone in his left foot that he suffered Aug. 18. Initially, he targeted the second game for his 2009 debut, but his foot proved slow to heal after surgery.
Raiders coach Tom Cable said Monday that Schilens is completely healed and ready to go.
"I'm confident," said Schilens, who participated fully in Monday's practice. "We'll see in practice, but I'll be good this week. "... It's not 100 percent like I'd like it to be, but I've just got to work through it."
Schilens was the projected No. 1 receiver entering training camp. His play in camp and Oakland's first exhibition game validated his status. He caught five passes in one quarter against the Dallas Cowboys in the Raiders' first exhibition game.
Oakland Raiders' Chaz Schilens eyes his 2009 debut vs. Kansas City Chiefs
By Steve Corkran
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 11/09/2009 09:38:46 PM PST
Updated: 11/10/2009 08:13:13 AM PST
Wide receiver Chaz Schilens is scheduled to play Sunday against the Kansas City Chiefs. Finally.
Schilens missed the first eight games of the season while recovering from a broken bone in his left foot that he suffered Aug. 18. Initially, he targeted the second game for his 2009 debut, but his foot proved slow to heal after surgery.
Raiders coach Tom Cable said Monday that Schilens is completely healed and ready to go.
"I'm confident," said Schilens, who participated fully in Monday's practice. "We'll see in practice, but I'll be good this week. "... It's not 100 percent like I'd like it to be, but I've just got to work through it."
Schilens was the projected No. 1 receiver entering training camp. His play in camp and Oakland's first exhibition game validated his status. He caught five passes in one quarter against the Dallas Cowboys in the Raiders' first exhibition game.
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
I'm not expecting the world, but it would be nice to really see what we have for next year.
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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Has there been a bigger fantasy tease than Schilens?
Highway Robbery
Footballguy
Did Ryan Torain reincarnate himself as Chaz Schilens?
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Mike Sims-Walker before week 2 this year.
lyon812
Footballguy
Just yesterday I was thinking, "wouldn't it be horrible if Schilens got hurt again after all of this..." Torain was precisely the person I was thinking of.
Resident A
Footballguy
I'm picking up Chaz this week. It's either him, James Jones, or Hartline. I figure I'll take a gamble on Chaz.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I'm still going to rooster him.
zamboni
Footballguy
I wouldn't crow about it.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
I'd submit the name David Boston.
Ryan Torain
Resident A
Footballguy
Chaz got 4 targets, including the first play of the game, and caught 3. I actually had to start him due to byes & a WR traded away.
I'm hanging onto him in my main league, mainly because there's nothing else available on the WW. There's still a chance he could emerge as a WR3 down the stretch. I'm pulling for Gradkowski to get the start at QB, it can only help.
I'm hanging onto him in my main league, mainly because there's nothing else available on the WW. There's still a chance he could emerge as a WR3 down the stretch. I'm pulling for Gradkowski to get the start at QB, it can only help.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Did anyone expect that, in his first game back, he would bust loose for 100 yds and 2 TDs?
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
No, but the performance caused me to further evaluate the situation. This was the worst passing defense the Raiders will be facing the rest of the year and he had 4 targets. Russel is averaging roughly 120 yards a game this year. Gradkowski? Hilarious.
Otis
Footballguy
Not only have I been sitting on Schilenz all year, but I picked up DHB off my waiver wire this week. It's a dynasty league. I still feel like a moron, because god is that pass offense terrible.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Was he hurt or just had a bad game in his 1st game back?
His last yr player and preseason play is still in my memory....QB situations can change quick and it looks finally like the Radiers might be moving on from JR.
His last yr player and preseason play is still in my memory....QB situations can change quick and it looks finally like the Radiers might be moving on from JR.
Otis
Footballguy
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
It's one data point. Sure, he was only targeted 4 times. Let's wait and see what happens in his 2nd and even 3rd games back from injury.
