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How do you feel about Cutler now? (current info on pg 46) (1 Viewer)

I haven't read the entire thread, so I apologize if this has already been mentioned.

I found the statistics about Cutler and his record for night games pretty interesting. Since he is diabetic, (I am too) I am wondering if the disease could be affecting his vision.

Maybe something about the lights? Just a thought.

Edit: Guess I'm not the only one wondering...

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abricru said:
I haven't read the entire thread, so I apologize if this has already been mentioned.I found the statistics about Cutler and his record for night games pretty interesting. Since he is diabetic, (I am too) I am wondering if the disease could be affecting his vision.Maybe something about the lights? Just a thought.
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Or maybe he gets the DTs at night?
 
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26). Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
 
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26). Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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passing yards don't win games, winning games win games!
 
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26). Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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Any QB with a big arm can gun it all over the field. He lacks temper and good decision making ability. So in order to accumulate all those yards he's also throw's out passes incomplete and intercepted at a rate that's killing his teams chances to win.... Why? What sense does it make to break a team passing record and not win the games? And what sense does it make to brag about it? The guy is a clown, I'm not sure what people see in him.. Sure big arm..... What else does he have?.... NadaMaybe Jeff George deserves a fan club as well if Cutler gets one...
 
Carolina Hustler said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.

BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26).

Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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Any QB with a big arm can gun it all over the field. He lacks temper and good decision making ability. So in order to accumulate all those yards he's also throw's out passes incomplete and intercepted at a rate that's killing his teams chances to win.... Why? What sense does it make to break a team passing record and not win the games? And what sense does it make to brag about it? The guy is a clown, I'm not sure what people see in him.. Sure big arm..... What else does he have?.... NadaMaybe Jeff George deserves a fan club as well if Cutler gets one...
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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear26.articleBrett Favre disagrees with you.

"''I think he's better [at 26 than I was],'' Favre said. ''At this stage, he's way more advanced. Physically, he's got all the tools. But mentally, he's way more advanced and able to see defenses and read things. I don't think it's a bad thing to want to put it all on your shoulders. And I know that's what he's thinking.''

 
candymanvandyfan> what would it take for you to consider that he's not the best thing since sliced bread? How many picks does he need to throw? how many wide open TD's does he have to miss? How many teams does he have to lead to mediocrity? How many coaches need to be fired in his wake? How many teams need to grow tired of his #####ing and trade him away?

Just curious.

 
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26). Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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:goodposting: This guy cracks me up. Is this an alias getting his rocks off?Anyway, Cutler makes stupid decisions, period. He chokes. He's not a natural leader, he's a baby.They tried to fix Jeff George's head too, but couldn't.I actually hope you're an alias, at this point.
 
What concerns me about Cutler is his loss of confidence. His cockiness is what allowed him to make such great stick throws. Sure, he's gonna throw some picks, but if he quits taking chances he's gonna be less than worthless, IMO.

 
candymanvandyfan said:
Carolina Hustler said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.

BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
Click to expand...
Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26).

Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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Any QB with a big arm can gun it all over the field. He lacks temper and good decision making ability. So in order to accumulate all those yards he's also throw's out passes incomplete and intercepted at a rate that's killing his teams chances to win.... Why? What sense does it make to break a team passing record and not win the games? And what sense does it make to brag about it? The guy is a clown, I'm not sure what people see in him.. Sure big arm..... What else does he have?.... NadaMaybe Jeff George deserves a fan club as well if Cutler gets one...
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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear26.articleBrett Favre disagrees with you.

"''I think he's better [at 26 than I was],'' Favre said. ''At this stage, he's way more advanced. Physically, he's got all the tools. But mentally, he's way more advanced and able to see defenses and read things. I don't think it's a bad thing to want to put it all on your shoulders. And I know that's what he's thinking.''
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That means nothing...
 
BRONG said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
Click to expand...
Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26). Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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:thumbup: This guy cracks me up. Is this an alias getting his rocks off?Anyway, Cutler makes stupid decisions, period. He chokes. He's not a natural leader, he's a baby.They tried to fix Jeff George's head too, but couldn't.I actually hope you're an alias, at this point.
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He's Hoping and praying that Cutler turns out to be the next GREAT qb to validate his avatar... lol
 
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26). Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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Other players who threw for 4000 yards before age 27:Scott MitchellDon MajkowskiJay SchroederPlus Brian Griese, who threw for 2688 yards in only 10 games at age 25 (on pace for 4300).
 
I don't put a whole lot of stock into passing yards. Okay it is not a meaningless statistic, but there are other statistics that are far more important when assessing how good a QB is (TD/INT ratio, yards per attempt, etc.).

Saying a QB is great simply because he throws for a lot of yards is like saying a wide receiver is great just because he catches a lot of passes (but maybe doesn't catch a lot of touchdowns and has a weak YPC).

 
moleculo said:
candymanvandyfan> what would it take for you to consider that he's not the best thing since sliced bread? How many picks does he need to throw? how many wide open TD's does he have to miss? How many teams does he have to lead to mediocrity? How many coaches need to be fired in his wake? How many teams need to grow tired of his #####ing and trade him away?Just curious.
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Hey, Bob Dylan, I think you're overreacting. He's 26. Elway didn't have 4000 passing yards in a season or a 60% completion rate in a season until he was 33 years old. Jay is on pace to have his second 4000+ yard season at the age of 26 and his CAREER completion percentage is over 60%. Jay holds the Broncos single season record by over 400 yards. That's pretty good, right? He's on pace to break the Bears record this year. He completed 384 passes last season. Do you know how many times in NFL history someone has thrown for more than 380 completions in a season at 25 or younger? Only one other time.There's a lot more football in front of Cutler. He'll be fine. You probably dumped on Elway when he was young too.
 
candymanvandyfan said:
moleculo said:
candymanvandyfan> what would it take for you to consider that he's not the best thing since sliced bread? How many picks does he need to throw? how many wide open TD's does he have to miss? How many teams does he have to lead to mediocrity? How many coaches need to be fired in his wake? How many teams need to grow tired of his #####ing and trade him away?Just curious.
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Hey, Bob Dylan, I think you're overreacting. He's 26. Elway didn't have 4000 passing yards in a season or a 60% completion rate in a season until he was 33 years old. Jay is on pace to have his second 4000+ yard season at the age of 26 and his CAREER completion percentage is over 60%. Jay holds the Broncos single season record by over 400 yards. That's pretty good, right? He's on pace to break the Bears record this year. He completed 384 passes last season. Do you know how many times in NFL history someone has thrown for more than 380 completions in a season at 25 or younger? Only one other time.There's a lot more football in front of Cutler. He'll be fine. You probably dumped on Elway when he was young too.
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so nothing then? No matter how terrible cutler could possibly play for any length of time, you will cling to the notion that passing yards before age X is important. got it.
 
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
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So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
 
Ghost Rider said:
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
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So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
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Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help. I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.
 
candymanvandyfan said:
Ghost Rider said:
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
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So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
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Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help. I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.

Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.
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:potkettle: Hey Papa Cut, how's your boy stack up against say, Rodgers, in the red zone?

Rodgers 30 TDs 1 INT

Not that the red zone really counts for anything...yardage is KING!

 
candymanvandyfan said:
Ghost Rider said:
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
Click to expand...
So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
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Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help. I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.
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of course, if he had fewer attempts, he wouldn't be throwing 4500 yards a season and he wouldn't own passing records for two teams at the age of 26.
 
moleculo said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Ghost Rider said:
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
Click to expand...
So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
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Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help. I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.
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of course, if he had fewer attempts, he wouldn't be throwing 4500 yards a season and he wouldn't own passing records for two teams at the age of 26.
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Easy, of course, to think that, but maybe instead of having to throw darts around six or seven guys like he's had to do the last two years, he could throw some true play action stuff down the field, which would increase his yards per attempt. (How many passing records did Jay set when he was with Denver?)
 
candymanvandyfan said:
moleculo said:
candymanvandyfan> what would it take for you to consider that he's not the best thing since sliced bread? How many picks does he need to throw? how many wide open TD's does he have to miss? How many teams does he have to lead to mediocrity? How many coaches need to be fired in his wake? How many teams need to grow tired of his #####ing and trade him away?Just curious.
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Hey, Bob Dylan, I think you're overreacting. He's 26. Elway didn't have 4000 passing yards in a season or a 60% completion rate in a season until he was 33 years old. Jay is on pace to have his second 4000+ yard season at the age of 26 and his CAREER completion percentage is over 60%. Jay holds the Broncos single season record by over 400 yards. That's pretty good, right? He's on pace to break the Bears record this year. He completed 384 passes last season. Do you know how many times in NFL history someone has thrown for more than 380 completions in a season at 25 or younger? Only one other time.There's a lot more football in front of Cutler. He'll be fine. You probably dumped on Elway when he was young too.
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passing yards dont win games, let alone championships. neither do passing percentages. neither do completions. You make terrible arguements...
 
Age 27 - 3734 pass yards, 23 TDs, 18 int 61.5 comp %

Age 28 - 4143 pass yards, 24 TDs, 11 int 60.3 comp %

Age 30 - 3917 pass yards, 29 TDs, 9 int 55.7 comp %

.371 career winning percentage

Who am I?

 
candymanvandyfan said:
moleculo said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Ghost Rider said:
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
Click to expand...
So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
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Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help. I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.
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of course, if he had fewer attempts, he wouldn't be throwing 4500 yards a season and he wouldn't own passing records for two teams at the age of 26.
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Easy, of course, to think that, but maybe instead of having to throw darts around six or seven guys like he's had to do the last two years, he could throw some true play action stuff down the field, which would increase his yards per attempt. (How many passing records did Jay set when he was with Denver?)
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Denver didn't run any play-action last year?
 
would it be plausible for one to think that teams that are coming from behind tend to throw more, and then draw a correlation between passing attempts with w/l records?

IMO a better measure for "how good a QB is" is something adjusted for # of passes thrown - y/a, QB rating, adj. y/a, etc. There is actually a pretty strong correlation between QB rating and team wins. Not a perfect one and the correlation breaks down when comparing specific players, but in aggregate, a high QB rating translates into wins.

So, for those of you claiming that cutler has demonstrated to be a great QB based on his past play, I'd reply that the best cutler has been the 12th, 16th, and 24th best QB in the league over the past three seasons respectively. Clearly, based on what he has done, he is average at best.

Of course, he has potential to exceed average, but the passer rating numbers are trending downwards. He has demonstrated potential in a few key spots, but he's also shown enough bad things that if left unchecked, will limit how far he and his team will ultimately go.

 
BRONG said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Ghost Rider said:
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
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So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
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Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help. I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.

Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.
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:rolleyes: Hey Papa Cut, how's your boy stack up against say, Rodgers, in the red zone?

Rodgers 30 TDs 1 INT

Not that the red zone really counts for anything...yardage is KING!
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What are the odds VanCutlerManLoveFan comes back with his boy's red zone stats? :goodposting:

 
BRONG said:
BRONG said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Ghost Rider said:
massraider said:
Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.
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So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.
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Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help. I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.

Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.
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:hophead: Hey Papa Cut, how's your boy stack up against say, Rodgers, in the red zone?

Rodgers 30 TDs 1 INT

Not that the red zone really counts for anything...yardage is KING!
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What are the odds VanCutlerManLoveFan comes back with his boy's red zone stats? :kicksrock:
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Aaron Rodgers is a very good player. Compare how many touchdowns Aaron Rodgers has in 5 years compared with how many Jay Cutler has in four years. Jay didn't get three years to sit in a baseball cap and study the offense. He actually got to play.

While I don't have the redzone stats right in front of me, I acknowledge that Jay has struggled particularly in the red zone. Some of that is him struggling once he gets there, pressing a bit, and some of it is the other team not respecting the run game for the Broncos last year or the Bears this year. He'll do better going forward as he matures, the skill players mature and the team around him gets better.

Cutler is not the perfect quarterback in the perfect situation right now, but I think people are selling him short and not giving him enough credit. Matt Stafford had a tough game today. Kurt Warner had a tough day a few weeks ago. That doesn't mean they stink. It means they had bad games. One thing that statistics do is force you to take a long term perspective. There haven't been that many quarterbacks who have played as well as Jay has through his first four years. He has set some records, gone to a pro bowl and done very, very well. I anticipate that he will do well going forward also.

 
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Compare how many touchdowns Aaron Rodgers has in 5 years compared with how many Jay Cutler has in four years.
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:rolleyes: :lmao: :lmao:Cutler has played more games than Rodgers. :lmao:
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Dan Marino played more games than Tony Eason, too. Why do you think that was?
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Wow...seriously your logic is pretty weak right now. You have to know this right?DId you go to Vandy? I thought Vandy grads would be smart though.Look...Rodgers did get the luxury of sitting and learning.Cutler got to play right away...you think that would have helped him learn not to throw it to the other team by now.
 
sho nuff said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Compare how many touchdowns Aaron Rodgers has in 5 years compared with how many Jay Cutler has in four years.
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:confused: :lmao: :lmao:Cutler has played more games than Rodgers. :lmao:
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Dan Marino played more games than Tony Eason, too. Why do you think that was?
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Wow...seriously your logic is pretty weak right now. You have to know this right?DId you go to Vandy? I thought Vandy grads would be smart though.Look...Rodgers did get the luxury of sitting and learning.Cutler got to play right away...you think that would have helped him learn not to throw it to the other team by now.
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Sitting and learning is better than playing as a rookie IMO. What do you think Sho Nuff?
 
p00h said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26). Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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passing yards don't win games, winning games win games!
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vince young wins games.
 
Carolina Hustler said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Carolina Hustler said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
The two floaters to the corner of the end zone were inexcusable. There were no defenders within 5 feet of either player.

BTW, Cutler is on pace for 4038 passing yards. Has there ever been a worse 4000-yard passer in NFL history??
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Cutler is right on pace to break the Bears single season passing record, just like he broke the Broncos single season passing record last year. And he'll do that throwing to two 22 year old receivers and a converted return man. Compare Jay's accomplishments so far compared to hall of famers at the same age (26).

Last year, at the age of 25, Jay threw for the 17th most passing yards in NFL history.
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Any QB with a big arm can gun it all over the field. He lacks temper and good decision making ability. So in order to accumulate all those yards he's also throw's out passes incomplete and intercepted at a rate that's killing his teams chances to win.... Why? What sense does it make to break a team passing record and not win the games? And what sense does it make to brag about it? The guy is a clown, I'm not sure what people see in him.. Sure big arm..... What else does he have?.... NadaMaybe Jeff George deserves a fan club as well if Cutler gets one...
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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/be...-bear26.articleBrett Favre disagrees with you.

"''I think he's better [at 26 than I was],'' Favre said. ''At this stage, he's way more advanced. Physically, he's got all the tools. But mentally, he's way more advanced and able to see defenses and read things. I don't think it's a bad thing to want to put it all on your shoulders. And I know that's what he's thinking.''
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That means nothing...
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it means about as much as random joe internet throwing around platitudes about leadership, "it" factor and winning is all that matters.
 
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it means about as much as random joe internet throwing around platitudes about leadership, "it" factor and winning is all that matters.
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Well, Cutler obviously isn't leadership material yet dispite his yardage stats, and winning seems to be a problem for him as well.... Whats your point?
 
tdmills said:
sho nuff said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Compare how many touchdowns Aaron Rodgers has in 5 years compared with how many Jay Cutler has in four years.
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:confused: :lmao: :lmao:Cutler has played more games than Rodgers. :lmao:
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Dan Marino played more games than Tony Eason, too. Why do you think that was?
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Wow...seriously your logic is pretty weak right now. You have to know this right?DId you go to Vandy? I thought Vandy grads would be smart though.Look...Rodgers did get the luxury of sitting and learning.Cutler got to play right away...you think that would have helped him learn not to throw it to the other team by now.
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Sitting and learning is better than playing as a rookie IMO. What do you think Sho Nuff?
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I think it depends on the player. Some do well jumping right in (they go through some growing pains for sure). Peyton probably did better by being thrown right in.Rodgers was definitely not ready to step right in when he was drafted even had Favre not been there.
 
sho nuff said:
tdmills said:
sho nuff said:
candymanvandyfan said:
Mr. Retukes said:
:thumbup: :lmao: :football:Cutler has played more games than Rodgers. :rolleyes:
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Dan Marino played more games than Tony Eason, too. Why do you think that was?
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Wow...seriously your logic is pretty weak right now. You have to know this right?DId you go to Vandy? I thought Vandy grads would be smart though.Look...Rodgers did get the luxury of sitting and learning.Cutler got to play right away...you think that would have helped him learn not to throw it to the other team by now.
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Sitting and learning is better than playing as a rookie IMO. What do you think Sho Nuff?
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I think it depends on the player. Some do well jumping right in (they go through some growing pains for sure). Peyton probably did better by being thrown right in.Rodgers was definitely not ready to step right in when he was drafted even had Favre not been there.
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True it is relative to the player. However, from my experience in coaching, have a player sit on the bench and just learn the process(league, the schedule of working out and gameday, learning how to be a professional, etc) is the best. Just a season or two. Some players are very polished Peyton as your said or a Matt Ryan. However, I agree the best way to learn is by first hand experience(thrown into the fire).I think the best process for development would be:Sitting and learning for at least one to two seasons.Then get the starting job.Thats why I think Alex Smith has a shot to be okay now. He did the process in reverse...start....suck...start...get injured...sit for awhile...then start again.However with todays money driven world.....the ability to sit a high first round QB is rare. Thats why later round picks have this opportunity to develop.
 
I still think Cutler could be a top QB if he had good coaching, and Mike Martz would be a godsend.

He looks to me like he has lost his confidence and his decision-making is really crappy. He is playing scared. A young QB like that could be broken by a year like this or he could recover, but he needs some better coaching.

 
that knucklehead couldn't run a martz offense if you gave him 10 yrs to study.

no confidence + crappy decision making + martz = record setting picks

although, martz would probably just bench him and call in some 3rd string dude from one of his previous teams before it came to that.

 
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