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***Official 2009-2010 Offseaon Boston Red Sox Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Does anyone have any thoughts on a potential shortstop for this team?

Miguel Tejada: Offensive pop, but do they really need his offense with that horrible D?

Marco Scutaro: Just read the 34 year old wants a 3 year deal, and the Red Sox will lose draft picks. Pass.

Orlando Cabrera: Now, I wouldn't mind him at all. But is he going to ask for a 3 year deal?

Do any teams have shortstop depth to deal?

 
Wagner apparently has signed with the Braves. Pedroia asked if he would play shortstop if they needed him to.

 
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Reports of Sox/Rangers possibility. Mike Lowell for Max Ramirez. I imagine this would entail the Sox paying most, if not all of Lowell's deal.

I would be very happy if there was a way for them to dump Lowell.

Sign Beltre to play 3rd. Sign Cameron to play CF (moving Ellsbury to LF except against lefties when Hermida would play LF and Ellsbury in CF).

 
the moops said:
Reports of Sox/Rangers possibility. Mike Lowell for Max Ramirez. I imagine this would entail the Sox paying most, if not all of Lowell's deal.I would be very happy if there was a way for them to dump Lowell.Sign Beltre to play 3rd. Sign Cameron to play CF (moving Ellsbury to LF except against lefties when Hermida would play LF and Ellsbury in CF).
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Oof. I wouldn't want them to do either. Beltre plays good D, but is horrible at the plate. With the $$$ and lebgth he is looking at, I hope the Sox pass. Cameron is a solid centerfielder, but also not interested.Any talk with the Tigers regarding Miguel Cabrera? It will cost a boatload, but it would be worth it for one of the best right handed hitters in the game.
 
Balco said:
Beltre plays good D, but is horrible at the plate. With the $$$ and lebgth he is looking at, I hope the Sox pass. Cameron is a solid centerfielder, but also not interested.
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Te Red Sox would be a better team next year if they did both of those things.Signing Cameron tot play CF allows Ellsbury to slide over to LF where is superb defensively. He was one of the worst defensive CF'ers last year. Cameron is criminally underrated. Putting up a consistent OPS+ of 110 all while playing a superb CF. Signing him for 10 million for one year would be a great move.Beltre doesn't just play good D, he plays out of this world D. He had a down year at the plate because of injuries, but he is the same, if not a better hitter than Lowell. I cant see him signing for more than Figgins (4/36). I would prefer they go less years for more AAV. Something like 3/30 sounds good. :shrug:
 
Looks like the Adrian Gonzalez to Boston talks are on again according to the Boston Globe. Say that San Diego is asking for Buckholtz and a top prospect (i.e. Casey Kelly).

Boston needs to do this. Gonzalez is a monster, all around first baseman. He would be a perfect fit in the middle of the lineup.

 
Balco said:
Looks like the Adrian Gonzalez to Boston talks are on again according to the Boston Globe. Say that San Diego is asking for Buckholtz and a top prospect (i.e. Casey Kelly).Boston needs to do this. Gonzalez is a monster, all around first baseman. He would be a perfect fit in the middle of the lineup.
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Pull the trigger in this one and take care of extending Gonzalez ASAP.
 
It's a bridge period folks. Don't expect too many splashes. I'm pretty sure I started the nationwide rumor of AG to Boston last year however I don't see it happening.

 
Okay so allegedly the Sox have agreed to terms on signing Lackey. This is good. I guess they plan on pitching themselves to the top of the AL east? In season's past their power came from Manny (gone) Ortiz (done) Lowell (done and or gone) Bay (looks to be leaving). Pedroia had a huge power outage last year. Are they looking to Youk and Victor for their power? That's not enough in this division. The Rays and Yanks have great pitching as well. If they don't sign Bay or Holliday or make a big trade, I'm out.

 
Capella said:
5/85 for Lackey?Sheesh.
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It's basically Burnett money, and he is a better pitcher than Burnett.5 years seems a bit too long, but he will immediately become the best #3 pitcher in all of baseball.I dont think this means Buchholz is gonna be traded. I think it may be more that they dont want to extend Beckett next year at the money he will be looking for. They take their chances this year with an excellent staff (Lester, Beckett, Lackey, Clay, Dice-K/Wake) and make a big push next year to go after Mauer/Crawford/Fielder/etc. :lmao:
 
Anarchy99 said:
the moops said:
Cameron to the Sox seems to be heating up.A Drew, Cameron, Ellsbury defense is pretty damn awesome.
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Yahoo saying Cameron has reached an agreement with the Sox.Apparently 2 years for $16 million.
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Infield defense took a hit with the loss of Lowell and Gonzalez. But Cameron is a huge defensive upgrade in the OF.Still need a another consistent bat in the heart of the order to replace Bay. The Lackey signing frees up Buckholtz to be traded. Adrian Gonzalez has already been discussed. I think the Sox should also put out feelers for Miguel Cabrera.
 
Right now it looks like:

C: Victor Martinez

1B: ???

2B: Pedroia

SS: Scutaro

3B: Youklis

LF: Ellsbury (guessing he gets moved here)

CF: Cameron

RF: Drew

DH: Ortiz

SP: Beckett

SP: Lester

SP: lackey

SP: Dice K

SP: Buckholtz/Wakefield

Something has to be done at 1B. Whether that is a blockbuster trade (Cabrera/Adrian Gonzalez) or a free agent signing (Nick Johnson). Also a righty to platoon at DH/RF would be nice (Reed Johnson would be an awesome signing. Hits lefties very well).

 
Balco said:
Infield defense took a hit with the loss of Lowell and Gonzalez.
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:confused: Scutaro is as good of a defender as Gonzalez.And I am as good of a defender as Lowell. So they are better off defensively as long as they either 1) play Youkilis over there, or 2) sign someone better than me
 
the moops said:
Balco said:
Infield defense took a hit with the loss of Lowell and Gonzalez.
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:confused: Scutaro is as good of a defender as Gonzalez.And I am as good of a defender as Lowell. So they are better off defensively as long as they either 1) play Youkilis over there, or 2) sign someone better than me
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Really? It was my understanding Scutaro was a poor defender. Gonzalez is known for his glove, I didn't think he played poorly (on defense!). I know Lowell has battled injuries, but I also didn't think he was bad when he was in there. What metrics are you looking at?
 
Balco said:
the moops said:
Balco said:
Infield defense took a hit with the loss of Lowell and Gonzalez.
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:homer: Scutaro is as good of a defender as Gonzalez.And I am as good of a defender as Lowell. So they are better off defensively as long as they either 1) play Youkilis over there, or 2) sign someone better than me
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Really? It was my understanding Scutaro was a poor defender. Gonzalez is known for his glove, I didn't think he played poorly (on defense!). I know Lowell has battled injuries, but I also didn't think he was bad when he was in there. What metrics are you looking at?
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Fielding Bible loves Scutaro, UZR thinks he is slightly below average.Gonzalez is as solid as they come with the glove, but his range is about as bad as Jeters.Mike Lowell was the worst 3B in all of baseball last year.
 
Balco said:
Anarchy99 said:
the moops said:
Cameron to the Sox seems to be heating up.

A Drew, Cameron, Ellsbury defense is pretty damn awesome.
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Yahoo saying Cameron has reached an agreement with the Sox.Apparently 2 years for $16 million.
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Infield defense took a hit with the loss of Lowell and Gonzalez. But Cameron is a huge defensive upgrade in the OF.Still need a another consistent bat in the heart of the order to replace Bay. The Lackey signing frees up Buckholtz to be traded. Adrian Gonzalez has already been discussed. I think the Sox should also put out feelers for Miguel Cabrera.
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That's exactly what I started this thread with. Makes sense to me.
 
Talk all day on the radio has the Sox still looking to acquire another outfielder and packaging Buchholz and Ellsbury for a big bopper at corner infield.

 
Clifton said:
Anarchy99 said:
Talk all day on the radio has the Sox still looking to acquire another outfielder and packaging Buchholz and Ellsbury for a big bopper at corner infield.
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I like Ellsbury. I like his speed and the way he can change the game.
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The talk was having Cameron play center for 2 years and then bring up an Ellsbury clone from the minors to take over after that.
 
Anarchy99 said:
Talk all day on the radio has the Sox still looking to acquire another outfielder and packaging Buchholz and Ellsbury for a big bopper at corner infield.
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I'm not sure there is any player in all of baseball that is worth Ellsbury and Buchholz.
 
the moops said:
Capella said:
That offense is....not scary.Nice SP though.
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Sox still have a better offense than your boys1B - Youkilis (BOS)2B - evenSS - even3B - Longoria (TB)C - Martinez (BOS)LF - Crawford (TB)CF - Ellsbury (BOS)RF - Drew (BOS)DH - Ortiz (BOS)
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Pena is close enough to Youk. Longoria is miles above whoever you have at third right now. I think Upton will bounce back and equal Ellsbury's production.If the Rays get Bradley (still seems likely), I'd put him up against Ortiz as well.
 
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the moops said:
Anarchy99 said:
Talk all day on the radio has the Sox still looking to acquire another outfielder and packaging Buchholz and Ellsbury for a big bopper at corner infield.
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I'm not sure there is any player in all of baseball that is worth Ellsbury and Buchholz.
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Really? Poo-Holes??A-Rod??Longoria??A Healthy Reyes??Joe Mauer??Miggy Cabrera??Utley??Hanley Ramirez?Adrian Gonzalez?I'm thinking you're thinking a little too highly of these guys ESPECIALLY Ellsbury.
 
Giantseasonticketholder said:
the moops said:
Anarchy99 said:
Talk all day on the radio has the Sox still looking to acquire another outfielder and packaging Buchholz and Ellsbury for a big bopper at corner infield.
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I'm not sure there is any player in all of baseball that is worth Ellsbury and Buchholz.
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Really? Poo-Holes??A-Rod??Longoria??A Healthy Reyes??Joe Mauer??Miggy Cabrera??Utley??Hanley Ramirez?Adrian Gonzalez?I'm thinking you're thinking a little too highly of these guys ESPECIALLY Ellsbury.
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I actually dont think that highly of Ellsbury.Even the Red Sox have a budget (yes, it is bigger than nearly every other team). Factoring what Buchholz and Ellsbury cost, and how many years they are under control for is a huge, mostly neglected factor.I would probably trade both of them for Pujols or Mauer, but not anyone else on that list. ARod will be getting 30 million for the next few years. Obviously his offense isncredible, but he is declining defensively and is now a below average defender. Longoria, while indeed very young and very good is not worth 5 years of Buchholz and 4 years of Ellsbury. Reyes is not healthy and may ever be the promising amazing SS he was though to be. Miguel Cabrera is a DH playing 1B. The downgrade defensively with him at first and Youkilis at 3rd would be immense. Utley is amazing. But displacing Pedroia as well as trading both Ellsbury and Buchholz makes no sense. Hanley Ramirez is about to get expensive and about to be moved to the OF. Adrian Gonzalez is also going to get very expensive and I am not sold on his 2009 being the real Gonzalez. If he is actually the 2008 Gonzalez, they already have a better 1B in Youkilis.Buchholz has the ability to be an ace. He may never get there, but even if he doesn't, the 5 years of above average pitching for pennies is immensely valuable. I would include Ellsbury in any number of deals though.
 
lol at "I would probably trade them for Pujols or Mauer". Good shtick.

You wouldn't trade Buch and Ellsbury for 7 more years of Longoria at a dirt cheap contract? (something like 7/45, which is about a quarter of his open market value)

:goodposting:

You may be the only baseball fan in American who would say those statements.

Red Sox fans should consider themselves fortunate you have absolutely no say in matters.

 
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Capella said:
lol at "I would probably trade them for Pujols or Mauer". Good shtick.You wouldn't trade Buch and Ellsbury for 7 more years of Longoria at a dirt cheap contract? (something like 7/45, which is about a quarter of his open market value) :lmao: You may be the only baseball fan in American who would say those statements.Red Sox fans should consider themselves fortunate you have absolutely no say in matters.
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:shrug:There is a very, very good chance that Buchholz provides more value to a team than Longoria over the next 5 yearsI am not as high on Ellsbury as most. I would include him in numerous deals, especially now, since Cameron is on the team for 2 years. It is Buchholz who I would be very, very leery of letting go.
 
the moops said:
There is a very, very good chance that Buchholz provides more value to a team than Longoria over the next 5 years
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Wow. No, there's not. It's hard enough for any SP to have more value than a very good everyday player. Now make that SP a guy who has proven almost nothing in the league and that everyday player a guy that is likely to have an MVP or two in his future and has been excellent from his first day.That's not even me being a homer. Start a poll, or anything. If the Sox got a "Longoria for Buchholz and Ellsbury" phone call, they'd think it was a prank.
 
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the moops said:
Capella said:
lol at "I would probably trade them for Pujols or Mauer". Good shtick.You wouldn't trade Buch and Ellsbury for 7 more years of Longoria at a dirt cheap contract? (something like 7/45, which is about a quarter of his open market value) :shrug: You may be the only baseball fan in American who would say those statements.Red Sox fans should consider themselves fortunate you have absolutely no say in matters.
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:DThere is a very, very good chance that Buchholz provides more value to a team than Longoria over the next 5 yearsI am not as high on Ellsbury as most. I would include him in numerous deals, especially now, since Cameron is on the team for 2 years. It is Buchholz who I would be very, very leery of letting go.
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;) :lmao: :lmao:
 
Capella said:
lol at "I would probably trade them for Pujols or Mauer". Good shtick.You wouldn't trade Buch and Ellsbury for 7 more years of Longoria at a dirt cheap contract? (something like 7/45, which is about a quarter of his open market value) :goodposting: You may be the only baseball fan in American who would say those statements.Red Sox fans should consider themselves fortunate you have absolutely no say in matters.
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THis is one Red Sox fan who would love to nab Longoria and that ridiculously cheap contract. Bucholtz and Ellsbury? Sure!Awesome 2 way player who is known for his great work ethic, and he is signed to a great contract? And he is young? No brainer.
 
There's some rumblings that the Sox have dangled Beckett out there in hopes of getting the necessary prospects to send to SD for Gonzalez.

I would be down with that considering there is little chance the Sox will extend Beckett next year.

Lester, Lackey, Dice-K, Buchholz, Wakefield/Duscherer/Sheets/Bedard/other reclamation project is a damn fine staff.

 
the moops said:
There's some rumblings that the Sox have dangled Beckett out there in hopes of getting the necessary prospects to send to SD for Gonzalez.I would be down with that considering there is little chance the Sox will extend Beckett next year.Lester, Lackey, Dice-K, Buchholz, Wakefield/Duscherer/Sheets/Bedard/other reclamation project is a damn fine staff.
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I like Lester and Lackey alot. But Dice K? He is pretty bad. And it's asking a lot of a guy with a little experience to be a # 3.THeo just has to accept he has to give up Bucholtz in a deal to get Adrian Gonzalez. He is worth it. His stats playing half his games in Fenway would be amazing. And as said before, he is a solid defender at first.
 
Folks in the Adrian Gonzalez camp have apparently tweeted that they expect Gonzalez will be a Red Sox within the next 10 days.

:lol:

 
i would absolutely love if the Sox gave up Beckett to get prospects for Gonzalez. As a yankee fan, i obviously dont want them getting Gonzalez, but if it means that they lose the Beckett, Lester, Lackey 1-2-3, i'd be ok with it.

And pasing up a Longoria for Buckholtz and Elsbury trade is laughable. Just laughable.

 
TLEF316 said:
i would absolutely love if the Sox gave up Beckett to get prospects for Gonzalez. As a yankee fan, i obviously dont want them getting Gonzalez, but if it means that they lose the Beckett, Lester, Lackey 1-2-3, i'd be ok with it.And pasing up a Longoria for Buckholtz and Elsbury trade is laughable. Just laughable.
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The names being bandied about are Ellsbury and Buckholz and a couple of minor leaguers, not Beckett. Sox would likely have Beckett/Lester/Lackey/Dice-K/Wakefield (or another reclamation project like they seem to always have) (Smoltz, Penny, Clement, Colon, Wells, etc.).I think they would rather trade Beckett or Dice-K but teams would be less interested in either of those two as Beckett will be a free agent after this year and no one really knows which Dice K will show up from here on out.
 
Anarchy99 said:
TLEF316 said:
i would absolutely love if the Sox gave up Beckett to get prospects for Gonzalez. As a yankee fan, i obviously dont want them getting Gonzalez, but if it means that they lose the Beckett, Lester, Lackey 1-2-3, i'd be ok with it.And pasing up a Longoria for Buckholtz and Elsbury trade is laughable. Just laughable.
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The names being bandied about are Ellsbury and Buckholz and a couple of minor leaguers, not Beckett.
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The Sox are not going to give up Buchholz and Ellsbury for Gonzalez. Not going to happen.San Diego would say yes to that deal in a heartbeat.
 
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