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Sheriff Bart
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There is no doubt in my mind that they went hard after Holiday to make Pujols happy, which will give them leverage in signing a long term deal.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yep. There is no way they are gonna give that much money to Holliday and then not pony up with Pujols. No way. Holliday is still dead to me
(because of that dropped fly ball), but if this means Pujols is less likely to bolt, then I guess I have to be happy about it.
RnR
Footballguy
Not a chance they're that dumb. Like mentioned by a few others, this was a move to keep Pujols around. Ensuring him that he'll have serious protection in the line-up for the next seven years is a good thing.Albert has reached "Stan the Man" levels amongst the fan base. When it comes to the revolt that would go down if they let Pujols walk, no amount of money is too much money to pay him. It's just a matter of Albert deciding how much is "enough" to pay him and still leave enough money to field a competitive team around him.
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Hmmm, maybe the Jason Bay signing wasn't so bad after all. :/
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Supposedly the contract declines in value over the life of it, so they're paying him less in out years. I haven't seen specifics. Just what I heard. Would probably help make a substantial bump in Albert's salary more manageable.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Jeebus. This thing has a vesting option that could make it an 8 year deal?
Eephus
Footballguy
He has to finish in the top ten of 2016 MVP voting in order for the eighth year to be guaranteed. If he's still that productive at age 37, I don't think it'll be a big deal for the Cardinals to pick up the option year.I don't think it's possible to really assess this deal for several years. It's a Zitoesque deal with a lot of money over a long period. We'll have to see how Holliday ages and how much salaries escalate over the decade. He's been pretty healthy over the years so he has that going in his favor. However, he is a big dude and those body types seem more prone to back and leg problems as they grow older.
gnarboots11
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FA's are going for way too much money this off season. I am an Angels fan and I am happy to watch these players go elsewhere and be overpaid, next year is the year to be jumping into free agency. The Red Sox really needed Jason Bay more than they needed Lackey and they overpaid for an over the hill John Lackey and let Bay walk. They got worse this off season and spent money doing do, terrible off season for the Sox. The Mets will figure out a way to make the Bay signing a terrible signing, they allways do. The Mets actually needed Lackey more than they needed Bay. Both teams woulda been better served signing eachother signings. This Holliday signing actually makes the Bay deal look pretty decent. There is no way Holliday is worth this much money, do they not remember who cost them the clinching game last years playoffs by muffing a routine flyball? yes, thats right, Holliday is a terrible outfielder.
RnR
Footballguy
Seriously? Listen, I'm still as upset about the dropped fly ball as anyone you'll find, but that's pretty faulty logic. Making a decision on a longterm contract for your club based on a dropped fly ball is beyond moronic.
shadyridr
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Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Why did they pay him this much?
Eephus
Footballguy
The salary isn't so bad, it's near current market value for a player of Holliday's caliber. The seven year duration is the big issue. A lot can happen between ages 30 and 37. The Cardinals are on the hook no matter what happens.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
My issue is, where was he going to get anything near that commitment of years? The AAV, well, I don't think anyone was ponying that up for 5 years, but I guess you could live for it. A 120 million dollar package for a guy with half a good season away from Coors?
RnR
Footballguy
I'm sure Boras was threatening to take a one or two year deal from another team at 20m/yr with the idea of re-entering the market with more favorable conditions. I also think we're all being naive if we think the Yankees weren't really interested in a "bargain" price on Holliday. There was a floor they were working with, in spite of the lack of a bona fide opposing bidder.ETA: I still wish the terms were more like 5 years than 7 years. The price per year seems like market value.
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Sheriff Bart
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Smack Tripper
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Fair enough, I guess.
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