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I'm wondering if Pete Carroll is jumping ship because he foresees a NCAA smackdown on USC?
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fridayfrenzy
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Per Schefter's Twitter...
A loss for the Chicago Bears: Jay Cutler's good friend Jeremy Bates is going with Carroll to Seattle, and won't be the Bears new OC.
A loss for the Chicago Bears: Jay Cutler's good friend Jeremy Bates is going with Carroll to Seattle, and won't be the Bears new OC.
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Mr. Retukes
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If USC guaranteed $36 million over 7 years, he wouldn't leave.
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I bet it would.
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He has 35 million reasons.
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Shaolin Hangman
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Pete Carroll's earning a lot more than his USC salary when you consider the endorsement and other business opportunities (e.g. speaking gigs) that he's landing by virtue of being the second biggest coaching star (next to Phil Jackson) in the second biggest market in the U.S. The raise of his contractual salary is only going to partially offset that.
Enforcer
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I'm often surprised that people can't see beyond their own nose. Why would Carroll leave USC for Seattle?
My guess is he's driven, competitive, and feels a need to succeed. He's not you. He's not going to be comfortable in an easy job making big money. He doesn't have a goal of just "getting by" and living the good life. Again, he's not you. Its lame when people think that all people in the world must have personal goals and standards equivalent to their own. A lot of people would love to win a giant lottery and kick back into a relaxing life style. That's not Pete Carroll. Again, he's not you.
All this said, I have serious reservations about welcoming him into Seattle. There's going to be a "win now" mentality circling this guy, and I fear my home team is far from it. This just feels like a disaster in the making. We don't have any game breaking talent on offense. Our defense has some young talent and potential, but they aren't near good enough to shoulder the load that the horrible offense drops on them each week.
Topping all this off.... Who hires a coach, and then follows that up with the hire of a GM? Seriously? What person would want that GM job? As a Seahawk fan, I'm not thrilled about this.
My guess is he's driven, competitive, and feels a need to succeed. He's not you. He's not going to be comfortable in an easy job making big money. He doesn't have a goal of just "getting by" and living the good life. Again, he's not you. Its lame when people think that all people in the world must have personal goals and standards equivalent to their own. A lot of people would love to win a giant lottery and kick back into a relaxing life style. That's not Pete Carroll. Again, he's not you.
All this said, I have serious reservations about welcoming him into Seattle. There's going to be a "win now" mentality circling this guy, and I fear my home team is far from it. This just feels like a disaster in the making. We don't have any game breaking talent on offense. Our defense has some young talent and potential, but they aren't near good enough to shoulder the load that the horrible offense drops on them each week.
Topping all this off.... Who hires a coach, and then follows that up with the hire of a GM? Seriously? What person would want that GM job? As a Seahawk fan, I'm not thrilled about this.
Jack Burton
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This is what happens when you allow a ticket salesman like Leiweke, to make football decisions. The team president should hire a GM and then in turn hire a head coach and staff. The problem is, Leiweke is not a football man. He's a business/sales man. The whole thing is just all screwed up.Arch Stanton
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Gopher State
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I bet Carroll is driven by$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ the stuff above is just fluff
Mr Anonymous
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You guys act like he can't just go right back to his pick of college coaching jobs after he inevitably gets fired from the NFL like all other coaches. The added benefit being the passage of time and the aftermath of NCAA violations being in his rearview.
Arch Stanton
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More on this from the Seahawks Insider:
That doesn't really make sense. What makes it a "fair shot" if Carroll's only intended as coach? Frazier theoretically has no shot at that.
Enforcer
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Sure, if he was just like you. But then again, I'm guessing that anything that doesn't conform to your sense of right or wrong is either fluff or stupid. Anyone that isn't a copy of you is just wrong. Fair enough?
Besides the below average coach that Carroll is at the NFL, this is what really ticks me off as a Seattle fan. The GM job in Seattle is a fairly good job in the grand scheme of things, owner willing to spend, other teams have issues, great fan base, etc. They had the opportunity to bring in a top notch GM who also was going to have the opportunity to hand pick his own coach, and they just screwed it all up. The Seahawks are in the position they are now because of poor job that Ruskell has done the past few years. A great personnel guy could have really helped turn this around. Hire good football people to make football decisions.
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fridayfrenzy
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Examples??I don't know much about Carroll's stint as the Pats HC, but he had a 33-31 record, which was better than Parcells did. Belichick then came in right after Carroll and put up a 5-11 record. You mention that you don't care what his record was as the HC, but isn't that one of the best stats to measure a coach's success??Nothing extraordinary, but it doesn't seem deserving of being called a terrible pro coach.GroveDiesel said:
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massraider
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Jobs as good as he has/had aren't available very often.
knowledge dropper
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He is a college coach. He finally found his niche and now he goes and chases the money to Seattle. He already failed as an NFL coach, found a dream college situation and goes back to the NFL. Rick Pitino comes to mind with Pete Carroll.
Must be the NCAA sanctions coming? If so, gutless move to leave SC holding the bag.
Must be the NCAA sanctions coming? If so, gutless move to leave SC holding the bag.
phthalatemagic
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He has been fired twice.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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What if the supposed sanctions are for violations have nothing to do with him? Or, the opposite, what if the violations are tied to him and his absence will improve USC's standing when it comes to those sanctions?
Ditkaless Wonders
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I no longer remember the specifics behind my impressions of Carroll. I do remember him as being so inadequate to the task of NFL head coach that I was shocked that he should even get a try in the NCAA. Poor memory is one curse of getting older. Where he the coach of my favorite team I would likely have better memories, I just have a general impression of a massively ineffective coach and poor game manager.
knowledge dropper
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Most of these NCAA coaches know what's going on but they turn a blind eye to it. I think it was the old Washington coach Don James that said an NCAA coach should never walk into the players parking lot. The NCAA usually throws the book at the school regardless of the coach bailing for greener pastures. It's a crappy reality of life.
hauser42
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I posted this in another thread
The writing has to be on the wall at USC for Carroll to jump ship like this. He was a top 3 guy in college football and was getting recruit after recruit to come to USC. There was no pressure on him till this year with more and mud coming up around the program. If Carroll had nothing to do with these allegations he is a straight out coward for not hanging around and getting program thru this.
I think he knew part of the crap going on and bailded for the big pay check and lack of success coming to the USC program. SeaChickens will not be a quick turnaround with the talent there, and Carroll struggled in the NFL the last time.
The writing has to be on the wall at USC for Carroll to jump ship like this. He was a top 3 guy in college football and was getting recruit after recruit to come to USC. There was no pressure on him till this year with more and mud coming up around the program. If Carroll had nothing to do with these allegations he is a straight out coward for not hanging around and getting program thru this.
I think he knew part of the crap going on and bailded for the big pay check and lack of success coming to the USC program. SeaChickens will not be a quick turnaround with the talent there, and Carroll struggled in the NFL the last time.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm not saying that I disagree with your base assumption. I'm just not ready to get to your conclusion.
Mr Anonymous
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Only about 2 on average every season. Of which all he'd have to do is make it aware that he's interested, and jump to the top of he candidates list. I'll agree with you if it's Carrol's preference to coach in SoCal, but other than that a major job opens up virtually every year. Think about the turnover in prime spots in the past 12 years.Texas - 1998Oklahoma - 1999LSU - 2000USC - 2001Ohio State - 2001Miami - 2001Alabama - 2001Notre Dame - 2002Florida - 2002Alabama - 2003Nebraska - 2004Florida - 2005LSU - 2005Notre Dame - 2005Alabama - 2007Miami - 2007Michigan - 2008Nebraska - 2008Tennessee - 2009Florida State - 2010Notre Dame - 2010USC - 2010What do those job openings on this list represent? Those 13 schools have combined to win 24 of the last 27 National Championships. Penn State, not on the list due to Joe Paterno's stranglehold on the position has won 2 since 1982. And that job could come open anytime. Since 1998, the only year a head coaching job didn't come open at one of those schools was for the 2006 season. Even if you narrow the list down to the SEC schools, the Florida schools, and Texas / Oklahoma out of the Big 12, the average is about 1 opening per season. That's leaving out OSU, UM, PSU ND, Nebraska, and USC assuming he doesn't want to go somewhere cold and would not go back to the Trojans.Bottom line: Pete Carroll can go to the NFL, still make a ton of money, leave behind the aftermath of NCAA violations, let time heal the wounds of his departure form USC, and once he's inevitably fired from the NFL stand a good chance that in any given year a job will be open at one of college football's 14 power schools, or even the preferred 8 warm weather powers. Any one of which he could step foot on campus and instantly have the resources and prestige to quickly restore into a title contender virtually overnight.
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Arch Stanton
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Some SC band members were playing at a candlelight vigil last night on campus, complete with candelabras or whatever the handheld vigil candles are called. SC kids and fans are taking it pretty hard it seems down here in unseasonably warm LA.
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ImTheScientist
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Im optimistic as a hawks fan where I have been very down on them the last two seasons (even prior to the collapse they have had). I hated Ruskell from day one, did not like Mora, and thought that Holmgren was done. If Caroll is hired I would like to see them give him final say on personnel. I saw the following on rotoworld:
Talent wins games. It has been a long time since Caroll was a head coach in the NFL but he now has a track record of success in College. He is not the same coach he was 10+ years ago when he was in the NFL. Anyone who thinks so is being ridiculous....people learn, and improve. He has placed a ton of players into the NFL in those 10 years. If you asked them what they thought of "Coach Caroll" they all would probably think very highly of him. Seahawks have top notch facilities, a Coach with a great track record and respect amongst the NFL player, and he has shown to be able to evaluate talent. He is a great defensive coordinator, and paired with the right coordinators I can see this really working out well. The fact is teams have been trying to get Caroll back to the NFL for years...if he was so bad, why would they be doing this? As long as he gets final say on player personnel I think its a great move. Again, this is coming from a Hawks fan who has been very down on the franchise for about 3 years now (which is very hard to find). Most Hawk fans thought they had top notch talent even going into this year. Im not surprised by all the haters in this thread. He's been the best at a school that has dominated college football and probably dominated your college football team more than once over the past 10 years.
Mr. Brownstone
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Still holding out hope.-Pete Carroll to the Seahawks.-Jack Del Rio to USC.-Wadsworth to the bar and drinks on me!
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Denny Green and Tim Tebow to J-TownStill holding out hope.-Pete Carroll to the Seahawks.-Jack Del Rio to USC.-Wadsworth to the bar and drinks on me!
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ImTheScientist
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Coaches have HUGE egos. Most guys want to try it at the next level. He felt like last time he was the victim of the GM making horrible moves. Which is why he wouldn't come back unless he had that kind of control.
Sure most normal people would stay at USC. It's not a money issue. It's an ego issue.
It's like saying if baseball players got paid 5-10-15 million at triple A, they wouldn't ever want to go to the bigs. Of course they would. It's ego. They want to play in front of 50,000 people. They want the national attention. The fame. They want to test themselves against the best ever.
It's why people in Europe come to the NBA/NHL. It's not just money, you want to play w/ the big boys, play with and against the best. For elite coaches, it's about winning the SB. The BCS is cute, but it isn't the superbowl.
As for the Seahawks. He'll do okay. I don't think he's a great NFL coach. I'd rank him a little under John Fox. Fox has had a nice little career, but no one really talks about him as one of the greats. That's about where I believe Pete will fit in, a few playoffs visits, a few misses, a few meh's.
Sure most normal people would stay at USC. It's not a money issue. It's an ego issue.
It's like saying if baseball players got paid 5-10-15 million at triple A, they wouldn't ever want to go to the bigs. Of course they would. It's ego. They want to play in front of 50,000 people. They want the national attention. The fame. They want to test themselves against the best ever.
It's why people in Europe come to the NBA/NHL. It's not just money, you want to play w/ the big boys, play with and against the best. For elite coaches, it's about winning the SB. The BCS is cute, but it isn't the superbowl.
As for the Seahawks. He'll do okay. I don't think he's a great NFL coach. I'd rank him a little under John Fox. Fox has had a nice little career, but no one really talks about him as one of the greats. That's about where I believe Pete will fit in, a few playoffs visits, a few misses, a few meh's.
Jack Burton
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You're joking right?Are you on happy pills or something.ImTheScientist said:
parasaurolophus
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Dont know if this has been discussed, but did anybody catch the interview earlier today where they said that USC asked the NCAA if it could self impose sanctions for USC football and the NCAA turned them down?
ImTheScientist
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IDrinkyourMilkshake
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It'll be interesting to see what Carroll decides to do at the QB position.
ImTheScientist
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I agree, I also think it will be interesting to see how many USC players they pick on draft day/bring in via free agency.
Arch Stanton
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As long as Leinart and Palmer aren't in the plans he can bring whoever he wants. I don't care how Carroll did in the past. I'd rather have any of you coaching than Mora.
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I didn't find this thread at first as the "Pete Carroll" thread.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000461009/article/pete-carroll-on-facing-patriots-its-a-little-bit-personal
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