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David Carr signs with San Francisco (1 Viewer)

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49ers | Carr contract update

Mon, 08 Mar 2010 13:02:02 -0800

Updating a previous report, Adam Schefter, of ESPN, reports San Francisco 49ers QB David Carr signed a two-year contract worth $6.25 million.

Carr would also earn another $1.87 million in incentives.

 
SF homer here. Carr will replace S Hill, who will be shown the door. Carr isn't expected to be a challenge to Smith, but instead was added because he is a better fit as replacement if needed. His skill set (arm, mobility) is seen as closer to Smith than Hill's was. They don't want to have to change up the offense if Smith goes out, which would be the case if Hill had to come in. They viewed the offense as too limited with Hill in there.

 
Well, regardless of how he plays, he was always known as a smart guy. I know his career has not taken off since he left Houston, but each stop (Carolina, NYG and now SF) have all made perefect sense...maybe we should be lauding his agent?

 
Sweet Love said:
Well, regardless of how he plays, he was always known as a smart guy. I know his career has not taken off since he left Houston, but each stop (Carolina, NYG and now SF) have all made perefect sense...maybe we should be lauding his agent?
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This clown has something on the league office. He's worthless and weak yet continues to cash in.
 
FavreCo said:
Sweet Love said:
Well, regardless of how he plays, he was always known as a smart guy. I know his career has not taken off since he left Houston, but each stop (Carolina, NYG and now SF) have all made perefect sense...maybe we should be lauding his agent?
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This clown has something on the league office. He's worthless and weak yet continues to cash in.
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He was wanted by SF, ARIZ, NYG, CLEA. You think maybe NFL GM's know a little more about Carr's skill set than you?
 
Yellow Line is Unoffcial said:
FavreCo said:
Sweet Love said:
Well, regardless of how he plays, he was always known as a smart guy. I know his career has not taken off since he left Houston, but each stop (Carolina, NYG and now SF) have all made perefect sense...maybe we should be lauding his agent?
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This clown has something on the league office. He's worthless and weak yet continues to cash in.
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He was wanted by SF, ARIZ, NYG, CLEA. You think maybe NFL GM's know a little more about Carr's skill set than you?
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I think he'll be a decent backup in SF. An improvement from Shaun Hill imo.
 
Yellow Line is Unoffcial said:
FavreCo said:
Sweet Love said:
Well, regardless of how he plays, he was always known as a smart guy. I know his career has not taken off since he left Houston, but each stop (Carolina, NYG and now SF) have all made perefect sense...maybe we should be lauding his agent?
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This clown has something on the league office. He's worthless and weak yet continues to cash in.
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He was wanted by SF, ARIZ, NYG, CLEA. You think maybe NFL GM's know a little more about Carr's skill set than you?
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More than FavreCo? Nah. Can't be.
 
I don't think this signing is insignificant. While I thought the 49ers would bring in someone to really compete with Alex Smith for the starting job, the fact remains that I don't think the team is 100% sold on Smith. He's erratic and easily rattled, and, just when you think he's hit his stride, his makes a series of mistakes. Perhaps they brought in Carr as the clear-cut backup to try to boost Smith's confidence, rather than putting him in a competition, but I still think there's a decent chance that Carr is starting for the Niners at some point this season.

 
TS Garp said:
I don't think this signing is insignificant. While I thought the 49ers would bring in someone to really compete with Alex Smith for the starting job, the fact remains that I don't think the team is 100% sold on Smith. He's erratic and easily rattled, and, just when you think he's hit his stride, his makes a series of mistakes. Perhaps they brought in Carr as the clear-cut backup to try to boost Smith's confidence, rather than putting him in a competition, but I still think there's a decent chance that Carr is starting for the Niners at some point this season.
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Smith pretty much has one year to show he's the future or he's done here. The shoulder is fine. Nolan is history. Same OC as last year, no new system to learn this time. Good weapons around him in Crabtree, Morgan, V Davis, Gore. Weak defenses in the division, plus playing the AFC west this year too. No excuses. If he can't show consistency this year it's over. He's only signed through 2010.
 
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
thriftyrocker said:
Disappointing Nate Davis didn't get more of a chance.
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:confused: I think this is great news for Nate Davis.
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I don't think this move is necessarily bad news for Davis, but i don't know how it can be construed to be "great news".
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Zero competition for the starting QB job once Alice fails, if all goes as I expect it will Davis will have at least 4-6 weeks to do the same thing that Matt Moore did in 2009.
 
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
thriftyrocker said:
Disappointing Nate Davis didn't get more of a chance.
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:confused: I think this is great news for Nate Davis.
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I don't think this move is necessarily bad news for Davis, but i don't know how it can be construed to be "great news".
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I think it's probably neutral for Davis. He would be the #3 in either case, and if he's to be the QBOTF it'll be a lot more dependent on his development than whether Carr or Hill is the current #2. If Smith sucks in 2010 and Davis has the goods to be the starter in 2011, he'll leapfrog Carr.
 
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Couch Potato said:
TS Garp said:
I don't think this signing is insignificant. While I thought the 49ers would bring in someone to really compete with Alex Smith for the starting job, the fact remains that I don't think the team is 100% sold on Smith. He's erratic and easily rattled, and, just when you think he's hit his stride, his makes a series of mistakes. Perhaps they brought in Carr as the clear-cut backup to try to boost Smith's confidence, rather than putting him in a competition, but I still think there's a decent chance that Carr is starting for the Niners at some point this season.
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Smith pretty much has one year to show he's the future or he's done here. The shoulder is fine. Nolan is history. Same OC as last year, no new system to learn this time. Good weapons around him in Crabtree, Morgan, V Davis, Gore. Weak defenses in the division, plus playing the AFC west this year too. No excuses. If he can't show consistency this year it's over. He's only signed through 2010.
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Agree, but the 49ers very much have their sights set on winning that division, with the Cardinals bound to be a bit weaker this year, so if the team is clicking on all other cylinders but Smith is still problematic through 5-6 games, I bet they yank him for good.
 
Has a team ever rostered two bigger disappointments than Carr and Smith? Both were drafted #1 overall.

Carr originally signed a $60 million, 7 year deal with Houston and has gone on to post a 75.2 career passer rating to go along with a 23-56 record as a starter (.291).

Smith originally signed a $50 million, 6 year deal with the Niners and has gone on to sport a 69.2 career passer rating to go along with an 11-19 record as a starter (.367). I guess that's an improvement than his rookie season when he had 1 TD pass to go along with his 11 interceptions over 7 starts.

 
TS Garp said:
Couch Potato said:
TS Garp said:
I don't think this signing is insignificant. While I thought the 49ers would bring in someone to really compete with Alex Smith for the starting job, the fact remains that I don't think the team is 100% sold on Smith. He's erratic and easily rattled, and, just when you think he's hit his stride, his makes a series of mistakes. Perhaps they brought in Carr as the clear-cut backup to try to boost Smith's confidence, rather than putting him in a competition, but I still think there's a decent chance that Carr is starting for the Niners at some point this season.
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Smith pretty much has one year to show he's the future or he's done here. The shoulder is fine. Nolan is history. Same OC as last year, no new system to learn this time. Good weapons around him in Crabtree, Morgan, V Davis, Gore. Weak defenses in the division, plus playing the AFC west this year too. No excuses. If he can't show consistency this year it's over. He's only signed through 2010.
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Agree, but the 49ers very much have their sights set on winning that division, with the Cardinals bound to be a bit weaker this year, so if the team is clicking on all other cylinders but Smith is still problematic through 5-6 games, I bet they yank him for good.
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Oh, I absolutely agree. I didn't mean he has a 16-game guarantee no matter how he plays. Sorry if I implied that. No, if he starts being the cause of losses, they should (and hopefully would) yank him and go to Carr. One of the reasons, maybe the primary one, that Carr was signed is that the offense can remain the same if he replaces Smith, whereas with Hill in there everything has to be dink and dunk again (geez, now that I think of it, despite a better arm, Carr also is a dink and dunk guy... oh well). Carr isn't signed as starting competition, it's Smith's job to lose, but if he insists on losing it I would hope they remove him when the time comes and not hang on too long.
 
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Couch Potato said:
TS Garp said:
Couch Potato said:
TS Garp said:
I don't think this signing is insignificant. While I thought the 49ers would bring in someone to really compete with Alex Smith for the starting job, the fact remains that I don't think the team is 100% sold on Smith. He's erratic and easily rattled, and, just when you think he's hit his stride, his makes a series of mistakes. Perhaps they brought in Carr as the clear-cut backup to try to boost Smith's confidence, rather than putting him in a competition, but I still think there's a decent chance that Carr is starting for the Niners at some point this season.
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Smith pretty much has one year to show he's the future or he's done here. The shoulder is fine. Nolan is history. Same OC as last year, no new system to learn this time. Good weapons around him in Crabtree, Morgan, V Davis, Gore. Weak defenses in the division, plus playing the AFC west this year too. No excuses. If he can't show consistency this year it's over. He's only signed through 2010.
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Agree, but the 49ers very much have their sights set on winning that division, with the Cardinals bound to be a bit weaker this year, so if the team is clicking on all other cylinders but Smith is still problematic through 5-6 games, I bet they yank him for good.
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Oh, I absolutely agree. I didn't mean he has a 16-game guarantee no matter how he plays. Sorry if I implied that. No, if he starts being the cause of losses, they should (and hopefully would) yank him and go to Carr. One of the reasons, maybe the primary one, that Carr was signed is that the offense can remain the same if he replaces Smith, whereas with Hill in there everything has to be dink and dunk again (geez, now that I think of it, despite a better arm, Carr also is a dink and dunk guy... oh well). Carr isn't signed as starting competition, it's Smith's job to lose, but if he insists on losing it I would hope they remove him when the time comes and not hang on too long.
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Yeah, we're on the same page. Smith is going to be an interesting fantasy football player this year. As you said, he has a lot of firepower around him, so there's a lot of upside if he hits hit stride and gains confidence, but he could just as easily lose his job by Week 6. The guy could either be a Top 10 QB this year or completely irrelevant very fast. But someone in SF will have good value at QB.
 
David Yudkin said:
Has a team ever rostered two bigger disappointments than Carr and Smith? Both were drafted #1 overall.Carr originally signed a $60 million, 7 year deal with Houston and has gone on to post a 75.2 career passer rating to go along with a 23-56 record as a starter (.291).Smith originally signed a $50 million, 6 year deal with the Niners and has gone on to sport a 69.2 career passer rating to go along with an 11-19 record as a starter (.367). I guess that's an improvement than his rookie season when he had 1 TD pass to go along with his 11 interceptions over 7 starts.
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I'd say yes - the Lions have almost an entire roster of these guys.
 
MAC_32 said:
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
thriftyrocker said:
Disappointing Nate Davis didn't get more of a chance.
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:) I think this is great news for Nate Davis.
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I don't think this move is necessarily bad news for Davis, but i don't know how it can be construed to be "great news".
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Zero competition for the starting QB job once Alice fails, if all goes as I expect it will Davis will have at least 4-6 weeks to do the same thing that Matt Moore did in 2009.
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So you think David Carr is considerably worse than Shaun Hill? Considering Carr is making 3+ mil a season and that a spread offense would seem to suit his strengths, i wouldn't say Carr provides Nate Davis with zero competition. I'd be surprised if Nate Davis touched the field next season. I agree with Couch Potato in that i think this signing is neutral for Nate Davis' outlook if not slightly negative. No matter if the backup QB was Shaun Hill or David Carr, i don't think Nate Davis will touch the field this year barring injuries to both the #1 and #2 QB.
 
This isn't the David Carr of his shellshocked Texans days or even the goofy-glove wearing David Carr in his brief stint in Carolina.

Players change. Some more than others. Some slower than others.

Perhaps it was his time away from starting. Perhaps he got some good coaching on the Giants. But I will tell you that the David Carr of 2010 is a better player than he has been in his NFL career. He has great physical tools and no longer plays like he's afraid.

I know people will look at his terrible career stats and assume he's still that player but he's not. He is not ever going to be that 1st overall pick franchise QB, but he is a solid vet who knows how to play the game. You surround him with talent and he will manage a game well. He is exactly the type of guy you want to back up your young starting QB that you're just not sure about.

In other words he is a solid choice for a backup QB.

Good signing, San Fran.

 
I like this signing for the Niners. I thought Carr was the best free agent QB on the market and while I highly doubt that he'll ever become a franchise passer, I think he's capable of reaching Kitna/Delhomme/Collins territory. If Alex Smith falters, Carr will take over in 2010 and keep the seat warm in 2011 while they groom his replacement.

 
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
thriftyrocker said:
Disappointing Nate Davis didn't get more of a chance.
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;) I think this is great news for Nate Davis.
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I don't think this move is necessarily bad news for Davis, but i don't know how it can be construed to be "great news".
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Zero competition for the starting QB job once Alice fails, if all goes as I expect it will Davis will have at least 4-6 weeks to do the same thing that Matt Moore did in 2009.
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So you think David Carr is considerably worse than Shaun Hill? Considering Carr is making 3+ mil a season and that a spread offense would seem to suit his strengths, i wouldn't say Carr provides Nate Davis with zero competition. I'd be surprised if Nate Davis touched the field next season. I agree with Couch Potato in that i think this signing is neutral for Nate Davis' outlook if not slightly negative. No matter if the backup QB was Shaun Hill or David Carr, i don't think Nate Davis will touch the field this year barring injuries to both the #1 and #2 QB.
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It might also mean that they do not plan on drafting a QB which if so gives Davis another year to "develop".
 
TS Garp said:
I don't think this signing is insignificant. While I thought the 49ers would bring in someone to really compete with Alex Smith for the starting job, the fact remains that I don't think the team is 100% sold on Smith. He's erratic and easily rattled, and, just when you think he's hit his stride, his makes a series of mistakes. Perhaps they brought in Carr as the clear-cut backup to try to boost Smith's confidence, rather than putting him in a competition, but I still think there's a decent chance that Carr is starting for the Niners at some point this season.
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;)
 
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
thriftyrocker said:
Disappointing Nate Davis didn't get more of a chance.
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:rolleyes: I think this is great news for Nate Davis.
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I don't think this move is necessarily bad news for Davis, but i don't know how it can be construed to be "great news".
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Zero competition for the starting QB job once Alice fails, if all goes as I expect it will Davis will have at least 4-6 weeks to do the same thing that Matt Moore did in 2009.
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So you think David Carr is considerably worse than Shaun Hill? Considering Carr is making 3+ mil a season and that a spread offense would seem to suit his strengths, i wouldn't say Carr provides Nate Davis with zero competition. I'd be surprised if Nate Davis touched the field next season. I agree with Couch Potato in that i think this signing is neutral for Nate Davis' outlook if not slightly negative. No matter if the backup QB was Shaun Hill or David Carr, i don't think Nate Davis will touch the field this year barring injuries to both the #1 and #2 QB.
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Then Nate Davis will never be a starting QB.I don't know if Davis is a quality NFL QB, but I know Alice and Mr. Fragile Psyche are not. If he can't beat them out then either he's in the wrong game or the guys running the show in San Francisco have zero clue what they're doing, probably some of both.
 
Ron_Mexico said:
49ers | Carr contract updateMon, 08 Mar 2010 13:02:02 -0800Updating a previous report, Adam Schefter, of ESPN, reports San Francisco 49ers QB David Carr signed a two-year contract worth $6.25 million. Carr would also earn another $1.87 million in incentives.
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Waste of money. Shaun Hill doesn't have great skills but unlike Carr he has some heart. Carr has no leadership skills whatsoever.
 
MAC_32 said:
Then Nate Davis will never be a starting QB.I don't know if Davis is a quality NFL QB, but I know Alice and Mr. Fragile Psyche are not. If he can't beat them out then either he's in the wrong game or the guys running the show in San Francisco have zero clue what they're doing, probably some of both.
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It's far from being that simple. People act like coaches and general managers aren't human. People make mistakes, people are susceptible to their biases whether they are aware of that or not. Take a look at Miles Austin from last year. Patrick Crayton started ahead of Austin for 3 years. Does that mean Austin sucked for 3 years and then all of a sudden a light switched? I don't think so. Does it mean Dallas' coaches and front office have zero clue what they're doing? Highly unlikely. Not to mention it usually takes QBs awhile to get accustomed to the NFL, I don't know why you think Nate Davis should be exempt from this fact.
 
This signing has been a headscratcher in the Bay Area. This is the first report I've read in the media that gives a different view from league sources:

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More Carr

From talking to a few folks around the league, it appears David Carr agreed to a two-year, $6.5 million deal with $4 million guaranteed. Also, it should be noted that Carr was highly-sought after. If he hadn't agreed with the 49ers, he would be in Arizona today and then planned to visit the Browns. This on top of the Giants desire to keep him their primary backup.

So why the renewed interest in Carr? Apparently his practice sessions with the Giants started to make noise around the league. Also there's a perception that he's a much different man than the guy who was the face of the Texans franchise. Carr blew into Houston as a rock star, and was pulled in a number of different directions, and even though he was young, he had a wife and two young children.

Carr showed up to work early, but he left early as well to tend to his family, which left the impression of aloofness. Carr was apparently different in New York, realizing that being a quarterback is more than a 9-to-5 job.

How he works out remains to be seen, but he won't start out competing with Alex Smith for the starting job. He'll be the backup, and apparently is willing to support Smith as the starter. Where it goes from there is up anyone's guess.

 
awesomeness said:
MAC_32 said:
Then Nate Davis will never be a starting QB.I don't know if Davis is a quality NFL QB, but I know Alice and Mr. Fragile Psyche are not. If he can't beat them out then either he's in the wrong game or the guys running the show in San Francisco have zero clue what they're doing, probably some of both.
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It's far from being that simple. People act like coaches and general managers aren't human. People make mistakes, people are susceptible to their biases whether they are aware of that or not. Take a look at Miles Austin from last year. Patrick Crayton started ahead of Austin for 3 years. Does that mean Austin sucked for 3 years and then all of a sudden a light switched? I don't think so. Does it mean Dallas' coaches and front office have zero clue what they're doing? Highly unlikely. Not to mention it usually takes QBs awhile to get accustomed to the NFL, I don't know why you think Nate Davis should be exempt from this fact.
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If Nate Davis doesn't get an opportunity this season a replacement will probably be brought in next offseason, such is life when you're a late round pick. That's why he needs that opportunity this season.
 
Donnybrook said:
Ron_Mexico said:
49ers | Carr contract updateMon, 08 Mar 2010 13:02:02 -0800Updating a previous report, Adam Schefter, of ESPN, reports San Francisco 49ers QB David Carr signed a two-year contract worth $6.25 million. Carr would also earn another $1.87 million in incentives.
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Waste of money. Shaun Hill doesn't have great skills but unlike Carr he has some heart. Carr has no leadership skills whatsoever.
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:thumbup: I've been a Hill man since he took Maryland to the Orange Bowl in 2001. IIRC, he went undrafted, yet is going on his 9th year in the NFL. I didn't see him play in 09, but I do recall him gutting out a win against my Skins in late 08 with the type of game that would've brought a tear to Billy Kilmer's eye. If he gets axed, I'd love to see him lead the Skins.I heart S. Hill
 
Is it possible they signed Carr to have some veteran smarts on the team when they try again with this year's draft to land their QB of the Future?

 
buster c said:
Donnybrook said:
Ron_Mexico said:
49ers | Carr contract updateMon, 08 Mar 2010 13:02:02 -0800Updating a previous report, Adam Schefter, of ESPN, reports San Francisco 49ers QB David Carr signed a two-year contract worth $6.25 million. Carr would also earn another $1.87 million in incentives.
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Waste of money. Shaun Hill doesn't have great skills but unlike Carr he has some heart. Carr has no leadership skills whatsoever.
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:thumbup: I've been a Hill man since he took Maryland to the Orange Bowl in 2001. IIRC, he went undrafted, yet is going on his 9th year in the NFL. I didn't see him play in 09, but I do recall him gutting out a win against my Skins in late 08 with the type of game that would've brought a tear to Billy Kilmer's eye. If he gets axed, I'd love to see him lead the Skins.I heart S. Hill
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If you get your wish, and Shaun Hill is the starting QB in 2010, you will be in a world of hurt.
 
Finish this sentence: This is the first time that two QBs who were both picked #1 overall were on the same team since ...

I know the answer, but I don't know of any other examples besides that one. If Chase shows up with a list of them all I'll be mighty impressed.

 
ZWK said:
Finish this sentence: This is the first time that two QBs who were both picked #1 overall were on the same team since ...I know the answer, but I don't know of any other examples besides that one. If Chase shows up with a list of them all I'll be mighty impressed.
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How about last year on the Giants?
 
Avery said:
ZWK said:
Finish this sentence: This is the first time that two QBs who were both picked #1 overall were on the same team since ...I know the answer, but I don't know of any other examples besides that one. If Chase shows up with a list of them all I'll be mighty impressed.
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How about last year on the Giants?
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Yep, Carr and Eli. And the only other time it has happened was Carr and Testaverde, 2007.
 
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Couch Potato said:
Avery said:
ZWK said:
Finish this sentence: This is the first time that two QBs who were both picked #1 overall were on the same team since ...I know the answer, but I don't know of any other examples besides that one. If Chase shows up with a list of them all I'll be mighty impressed.
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How about last year on the Giants?
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Yep, Carr and Eli. And the only other time it has happened was Carr and Testaverde, 2007.
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That was it - last year's Giants.So it never happened in the history of the NFL from 1934-2006, and then from 2007-2010 it happened four years in a row on three different teams, all with David Carr? Cool.
 
ZWK said:
Couch Potato said:
Avery said:
ZWK said:
Finish this sentence: This is the first time that two QBs who were both picked #1 overall were on the same team since ...I know the answer, but I don't know of any other examples besides that one. If Chase shows up with a list of them all I'll be mighty impressed.
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How about last year on the Giants?
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Yep, Carr and Eli. And the only other time it has happened was Carr and Testaverde, 2007.
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That was it - last year's Giants.So it never happened in the history of the NFL from 1934-2006, and then from 2007-2010 it happened four years in a row on three different teams, all with David Carr? Cool.
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With Palmer, Stafford, Vick, JaMarcus, Carr, Peyton, Eli, and Alex Smith the group of 8 active overall #1 QBs in the league (and perhaps Bradford this year), there's a decent chance of the streak continuing in some fashion.
 
I strongly believe they signed Carr to keep him away from the Cardinals. Now the Cardinals are stuck with Leinart, unless they trade for another QB.

ETA: Let me rephrase that. I think they wanted to sign Carr because they think he's an upgrade over Hill as well as keeping him away from the Cardinals.

 
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derek19 said:
I strongly believe they signed Carr to keep him away from the Cardinals. Now the Cardinals are stuck with Leinart, unless they trade for another QB.ETA: Let me rephrase that. I think they wanted to sign Carr because they think he's an upgrade over Hill as well as keeping him away from the Cardinals.
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Maybe. Carr has the added ability of running out of bounds when he can't find any of the receivers running wide open. Leinart would probably just be sacked. Carr does, however, have a habit of running out of bounds for a loss (sack) instead of throwing it away. These guys suck.
 
I just can't believe that David Carr is still going to make 3+ million per season.

When all is said and done this guy is going to be filthy rich after contributing absolutely nothing worthwhile to any franchise. Crazy.

 
derek19 said:
I strongly believe they signed Carr to keep him away from the Cardinals. Now the Cardinals are stuck with Leinart, unless they trade for another QB.ETA: Let me rephrase that. I think they wanted to sign Carr because they think he's an upgrade over Hill as well as keeping him away from the Cardinals.
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If I wanted to hurt a division rival, I would do everything I could to make sure they DID get Carr, not try and keep him away from them.
 
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