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Say what you want, but I find it hard to praise a team for giving up one of the most explosive players in the league for a couple of second round picks. Granted the relationship was poisoned. They couldn't keep him. And they got more than I thought they would get. But I don't think the Broncos are better two years from now with those second round choices than they would have been with Marshall.
i think Bess is the easy pick for beneficiary, who is the sleeper pick: Fasano, Ginn, hartline, turner or Camarillo?
It's a huge gamble Cassius, but I can't see where they could have gotten more talent thru the draft. I do like Dez Bryant a lot but there won't be much of a learning curve for Marshall and they can get him working with Henne ASAP. Guy had 100+ receptions 3 years in a row and has even missed some games along the way.I know this, the Miami community is going to welcome him with open arms.
We were going to lose him next year for nothing. I am more than happy with this. Especially when you look at the what market for WRs has been like this offseason. Was one season of a disgruntled Brandon Marshall worth two second round picks? I don't think so.
Yep, looks about right to me. Marshall and Hartline outside, Bess in the slot. Looking at maybe (wild ### guess) 90/40/50 for receptions.
Camarillo was rumored to be on the trading block as well, so it could be Hartline/Marshall/Bess as your starters.
Based on what other teams had to pay, Miami might have overspent. They way overspent for Dansby, again parcells gets a top guy, perhaps a top3-5 but he pays a lot more than what other troubled WRs are going for. Marshall isn't expected to miss games though.
I think Denver got very good value considering they basically "had" to trade him. 2 seconds in the NFL is a pretty decent haul.Miami certainly needed an impact WR for Henne's development so I think its a good deal for them as well.The AFC East should be very interesting this season - especially if Buffalo drafts some o-line helo and somehow lands a QB.
A 5th was a good price for a former first round pick? This is some serious spin. Garcon and Breaston were 5th round or later picks but there isn't usually much value there.
Where is this sudden Bess love coming from? Marshall is coming in to take 90+ receptions that were going to Bess and others last year. You guys do realize Bess had 76 catches last year, right? He's not going to come close to that with Marshall in town and Hartline more developed. I'm guessing he'll lose 20-30 catches from last year.
The Browns should have signed Pennington, drafted Spiller in the first, and traded the rest of their picks for Boldin/Holmes/Marshall. Now that would have been a pretty sweet offense. Other option would be to go with Claussen and build around Jerome Harrison at RB, and still trade all of their other picks for proven WRs.
I don't see how you can feel this way.continues......
Marshall.Boldin.....HolmesAgain, I look At Holmes as a hold the fort - rental project for 12 games......But, yeah, the salaries will be interesting.
Bess is entering his 3rd year (the infamous breakout year). He has improved each year and led the team in targets last year by 40 targets. Hartline could be the play entering his 2nd year but I would not be surprised to see Bess improve upon last years numbers.I guess his targets will decrease with Marshall there but I'm optimistic Bess is the #2 this year. Just my hunch
What?Very talented WRs traded because of character issues. (Marshall is one screw-up away for a year-long suspension).Steelers got peanuts. Broncos got something value.Looks to me like the biggest difference was the Steelers held on a year too long and panicked over Ben's issues.Yet, many consider the Steelers move a sign of them just being a responsible, smart organization and people see the Broncos move as the sign that McD is an ongoing trainwreck? Maybe the Broncos were just more proactive here, than the Steelers were, trading Marshall while he still had some value before he blew up in their face (and they could only get a 5th round pick for him).I don't love either move, but the Broncos' is somewhat defensible.
Yeah, because Welker's value went down with Randy Moss running around the same field with him.....There is enough room on the team for the big WR1 and the small quick sure handed WR2. Bess will still be hold nice value in PPR leagues.
He'll now catch 50 ten-yarders instead of 76 ten-yarders, and about 2-3 TDs. If that's what you guys are after, cool.They just added a guy who has had 100+ catches in each of the last 3 years. If you think the former #1 on the team in catches will increase his numbers somehow, I'd like that one explained to me.
It just speaks to the McDaniels hate, which is hard to explain since most homers (at least the one's I see on a daily basis, which is quite a few) have moved on, and are now behind him. People on this board hate McDaniels with a passion, and would find fault in anything he does. Fans of other teams seem to hate McDaniels much more than Broncos fans, it is kind of ironic.
I'm happy we got him but I feel Denver got a pretty fair deal considering what other troubled WRs are fetching right now.
Henne is a better qb than orton, from Marshall's perspective. He has all the tools. Just less experience. Plus he actually throws down field.
People are saying that the 2nd round in this upcoming draft has 1st round talent.... I STILL think it's great deal for Miami....I'm happy we got him but I feel Denver got a pretty fair deal considering what other troubled WRs are fetching right now.
more importantly they do to.
I am truly stoked about this deal. They get their receiver and can now go after more defensive help in the 1st round. Plus, it sounds like they're ready to wheel and deal for more picks throughout the draft. Exciting times.
WOOOOOOOHHOOOOO!!Great deal for Miami. Didnt have to give up a first for one of the elite WR's in the game. This will help Henne tremendously. Now we can focus on defense in the draft.I am truly stoked about this deal. They get their receiver and can now go after more defensive help in the 1st round. Plus, it sounds like they're ready to wheel and deal for more picks throughout the draft. Exciting times.
I disagree that he's "one screwup away for a year-long suspension. But I have to wonder, if he was having "trouble" clubbing in Denver, what the hell is he gonna do in south beach...possibleWhat?Very talented WRs traded because of character issues. (Marshall is one screw-up away for a year-long suspension).Steelers got peanuts. Broncos got something value.Looks to me like the biggest difference was the Steelers held on a year too long and panicked over Ben's issues.Yet, many consider the Steelers move a sign of them just being a responsible, smart organization and people see the Broncos move as the sign that McD is an ongoing trainwreck? Maybe the Broncos were just more proactive here, than the Steelers were, trading Marshall while he still had some value before he blew up in their face (and they could only get a 5th round pick for him).I don't love either move, but the Broncos' is somewhat defensible.
Hmmm, I wonder why?But really Henne just has a high ceiling IMO. I also don't see Orton ever repeating that performance.
Probably not a bad guess. Individual WR breakdown from 2009
avone Bess - 76 recs for 758Brian Hartline - 31 recs for 506Ted Ginn - 38 recs for 454Greg Camarillo - 50 recs for 552Dolphin WR totals from last year:195 recepts2270 yards6 TD's (+ 1 Hartline rush TD)Assuming Ginn is out of the picture, your numbers are not a bad starting point....depending on how Henne evolves and how he works with Marshall, 90 recepts may be possible....we'll see.
certainly beats out Feely/Ginn
B rian Hartline is going to benefit huge from Marshall on the opposing side. Bess will slide into the slot where he belongs and I really see his production falling under the 40-50 reception mark, truly I do. Hartline was coming on at the ned of the year last year, I look for him to start opposite Marshall.
is it me or do people say this every year.People are saying that the 2nd round in this upcoming draft has 1st round talent.... I STILL think it's great deal for Miami....I'm happy we got him but I feel Denver got a pretty fair deal considering what other troubled WRs are fetching right now.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Dolphins will send Denver a second-round pick in 2010 and another pick, believed to be their second-rounder in 2011. With money factored in, second-round picks are gold.
Can anyone stay out of trouble in Miami, MOP included? It's a party zone form the Univ of Miami all the way over to the beach.
Not the place for this conversation; let's stick to the football aspects.KoolKat said:Really, Marshall did not contribute to the murder of Darrent Williams?Ministry of Pain said:KoolKat said:You stay classy Denver
Boldin is good, but hes getting up in the years and has a history of injuries. Hes more of a stop gap.Holmes... you want a guy that is a puff away from a yr suspension? Marshall is entering his prime and he has baggage but its nothing compared to Holmes.
Care to tell why here?I think it puts him a step closer to a WR3 role that he should be at. Marshall [a short route YAC receiver is going to take a sizable hit from Bess]. W/o question IMO, Bess's value took the largest hit.
Miami has three-4 rbs they like and even though rasta and ronnie are aging, I think they need to go defense, OL. Rbs, especially in a parcells O, can be plugged in.
Also the "ego-baggage" that Marshall carries, vs the off the field baggage of Holmes etc, is the kind that Parcells has shown he can deal with over the years.
I think what I dislike is arrogance. McDaniels has displayed an immense amount of arrogance. McDaniels has acted like he is smarter than everyone else. Parcells is arrogant at times, but he earned it. Belichick is arrogant at times, but he too, has earned it. McDaniels has done nothing to justify that behavior. He came in and alienated the two best players on the team. Now both of those players are gone. He seems to think that system triumphs over players. I think Tom Brady running any system will work. I think that Brandon Marshall makes any system better. So now we will see if McDaniels can make things work with the players he has drafted.It just speaks to the McDaniels hate, which is hard to explain since most homers (at least the one's I see on a daily basis, which is quite a few) have moved on, and are now behind him. People on this board hate McDaniels with a passion, and would find fault in anything he does. Fans of other teams seem to hate McDaniels much more than Broncos fans, it is kind of ironic.
