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Steelers offering Big Ben for a top-10 pick (1 Viewer)

Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
If the raiders are really going after Iupati or Anthony Davis, then both should be available at 18.

So why not trade the 8th pick for the 18th and Big Ben?

get the guy you want at a cheaper price, plus get a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is young and has many years left to play.

What is there to think about Al???????????

Do this deal. It's like trading for the player you were coveting at a discount, and throw in a very manageable top 3 NFL QB. What's the risk? Why is the trade not already announced??!?!?!?
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No way the Steelers are trading Ben to only move up 10 slots in the draft.
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Go to NFL.com. That's is what is being discussed. a 10 slot move = Ben Roethlisberger
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I'm discussing with my wife that I'm going to sleep with Megan Fox. Doesn't mean it is going to happen anytime soon.
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Steelers discuss Roethlisberger deal with Raiders; Rams say noBy Jason La Canfora | NFL.com

The Pittsburgh Steelers have stepped up their efforts to trade two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, but the Oakland Raiders might be the only real option.

The Steelers were rebuffed by the St. Louis Rams over the weekend, but a league source said Wednesday that they also have contacted the Raiders, who need a veteran quarterback and tried to land Donovan McNabb before the Philadelphia Eagles traded him to the Washington Redskins earlier this month.

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The Raiders have a history of taking on troubled players such as Roethlisberger, who received a six-game suspension Wednesday for violating the NFL's personal-conduct policy. Also, Roethlisberger's contract isn't hefty and would be easy to absorb in a trade.

The Steelers had a brief conversation with the Rams, according to a league source, but they weren't interested in acquiring Roethlisberger. The Steelers wanted to send Roethlisberger to the Rams as part of a package to move up to No. 1 overall in this week's draft and select Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford.

That could make the Raiders the only fit. The Steelers are open to packaging Roethlisberger and the No. 18 pick to move up in the draft. The Raiders own the No. 8 selection.

Steelers president Art Rooney II declined to comment about any possibility of trading Roethlisberger.

"As we've said before, we really can't answer questions about trades, especially this time of year," Rooney said during a conference call. "We go into every draft with the idea to do anythying we can to make our team a better football team. We just have to stick with that and not discuss trades in advance."

Despite Roethlisberger's issues, the Steelers want decent value in return for the quarterback. But given the six-game suspension and the limited interest in Roethlisberger, team sources view a deal as extremely remote, if not impossible.

The Buffalo Bills also pick in the top 10 and need a quarterback, but they don't appear interested in Roethlisberger at this time. Doug Whaley, a former executive in Pittsburgh, moved to Buffalo this offseason to work with general manager Buddy Nix, but the Steelers don't expect him to recommend Roethlisberger to his new team because he would harbor some of the same reservations that they do.

The Cleveland Browns have the No. 7 pick and lack a long-term solution at quarterback, but the Steelers wouldn't trade Roethlisberger to an AFC North rival, according to a team source. That also was the Steelers' position with wide receiver Santonio Holmes, who was dealt to the New York Jets earlier this month.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

 
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
If the raiders are really going after Iupati or Anthony Davis, then both should be available at 18. So why not trade the 8th pick for the 18th and Big Ben?get the guy you want at a cheaper price, plus get a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is young and has many years left to play.What is there to think about Al???????????Do this deal. It's like trading for the player you were coveting at a discount, and throw in a very manageable top 3 NFL QB. What's the risk? Why is the trade not already announced??!?!?!?
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No way the Steelers are trading Ben to only move up 10 slots in the draft.
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Hate to tell you,10 first round spots is probably his value.
 
Tomorrow I hope I hear: “With the eighth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburg Steelers select Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame.” And then a few hours later “With the Eighteenth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Anthony Davis, tackle, Rutgers.”

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Tomorrow I hope I hear: “With the eighth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburg Steelers select Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame.” And then a few hours later “With the Eighteenth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Anthony Davis, tackle, Rutgers. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson.”
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Hard to believe that Santonio Holmes gets dumped overboard for a 5th round pick and now we're talking about Roethlisberger getting traded for 10 spots in the first round. If this came to pass, it would have to rank up there as one of the most disasterous offseasons of all times. I'm sure there have been worse, but I'm drawing a blank for anything in recent memory.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Tomorrow I hope I hear: “With the eighth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburg Steelers select Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame.” And then a few hours later “With the Eighteenth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Anthony Davis, tackle, Rutgers.”
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Anthony Davis didn't have a good enough 40 time- actually he was one of the slowest out of all the tackleslol - not an Al Davis pick

Happy Ragnarok said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Tomorrow I hope I hear: “With the eighth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburg Steelers select Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame.” And then a few hours later “With the Eighteenth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Anthony Davis, tackle, Rutgers. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson.”
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Trindon Holliday is more likely - he was 0.01 faster

 
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Happy Ragnarok said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Tomorrow I hope I hear: “With the eighth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburg Steelers select Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame.” And then a few hours later “With the Eighteenth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Anthony Davis, tackle, Rutgers. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson.”
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I understand, your denial of the unfolding events that you cannot control makes you want to strike at the messenger. I am not trying to tease Steeler fans. It is what it is, a fire sale.
 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Happy Ragnarok said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Tomorrow I hope I hear: “With the eighth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburg Steelers select Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame.” And then a few hours later “With the Eighteenth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Anthony Davis, tackle, Rutgers. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson.”
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I understand, your denial of the unfolding events that you cannot control makes you want to strike at the messenger. I am not trying to tease Steeler fans. It is what it is, a fire sale.
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No, you got the wrong guy. I advocate dumping Ben for nothing. I simply delight in your optimism that the Raiders may do something intelligent with their potential draftday windfall.
 
Happy Ragnarok said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Happy Ragnarok said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Tomorrow I hope I hear: “With the eighth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Pittsburg Steelers select Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame.” And then a few hours later “With the Eighteenth pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select Anthony Davis, tackle, Rutgers. Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson.”
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I understand, your denial of the unfolding events that you cannot control makes you want to strike at the messenger. I am not trying to tease Steeler fans. It is what it is, a fire sale.
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No, you got the wrong guy. I advocate dumping Ben for nothing. I simply delight in your optimism that the Raiders may do something intelligent with their potential draftday windfall.
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There is a consensus among many that the Raiders don't know how to draft. While I admit, they have some bad results in recent drafts at the top of the draft, they have plenty of good picks in the later rounds, think Michael Bush, Namdi, Schillens...... and Huff and Gallery who were once considered first round busts, are now pretty darn good players.So please spare the jaded analysis. You don't know more than what BSPN is telling you.

 
Didn't bother reading all the replies, just some.

But I agree with the many saying that certain teams, like Buffalo or Oakland, should be jumping at the opportunity. Sure, he's out for 6 (maybe 4) games this season, but I am thinking he will have learned his lesson at this point. The next strike means 1+ years OUT. His reputation has suffered greatly, but I still think he's a darn good QB (can't deny it, having 2 Super Bowl rings and being a big part of them). He would be worth the risk to me. His salary is pretty manageable. He has plenty of experience and if you were thinking of drafting someone like Clausen, why WOULDN'T you take a shot at Big Ben? No way the Rams give up 1.01 for Ben, but someone like Oakland or Buffalo should not even think twice...

 
Sinrman said:
Didn't bother reading all the replies, just some.

But I agree with the many saying that certain teams, like Buffalo or Oakland, should be jumping at the opportunity. Sure, he's out for 6 (maybe 4) games this season, but I am thinking he will have learned his lesson at this point. The next strike means 1+ years OUT. His reputation has suffered greatly, but I still think he's a darn good QB (can't deny it, having 2 Super Bowl rings and being a big part of them). He would be worth the risk to me. His salary is pretty manageable. He has plenty of experience and if you were thinking of drafting someone like Clausen, why WOULDN'T you take a shot at Big Ben? No way the Rams give up 1.01 for Ben, but someone like Oakland or Buffalo should not even think twice...
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Yeah, why wouldn't a team want to take on a guy whose career is over the next time he steps over the line? Clearly, this is a player a team should want to build its franchise around, which is why the Steelers are trying to dump him. Er, wait.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
Sinrman said:
Didn't bother reading all the replies, just some.

But I agree with the many saying that certain teams, like Buffalo or Oakland, should be jumping at the opportunity. Sure, he's out for 6 (maybe 4) games this season, but I am thinking he will have learned his lesson at this point. The next strike means 1+ years OUT. His reputation has suffered greatly, but I still think he's a darn good QB (can't deny it, having 2 Super Bowl rings and being a big part of them). He would be worth the risk to me. His salary is pretty manageable. He has plenty of experience and if you were thinking of drafting someone like Clausen, why WOULDN'T you take a shot at Big Ben? No way the Rams give up 1.01 for Ben, but someone like Oakland or Buffalo should not even think twice...
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Yeah, why wouldn't a team want to take on a guy whose career is over the next time he steps over the line? Clearly, this is a player a team should want to build its franchise around, which is why the Steelers are trying to dump him. Er, wait.
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10 measley spots is why. In the context of draft history, won't be even noticed. The Raiders were going to draft among a tier of players from 8 to 20 that are about the same, The first tier ends at about pick #6. Even if Ben is banned for life, that is still a good deal....bonus is that by moving down, Raiders save money on that pick. I don't see a negative angle or risk here.
 
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
If the raiders are really going after Iupati or Anthony Davis, then both should be available at 18. So why not trade the 8th pick for the 18th and Big Ben?get the guy you want at a cheaper price, plus get a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is young and has many years left to play.What is there to think about Al???????????Do this deal. It's like trading for the player you were coveting at a discount, and throw in a very manageable top 3 NFL QB. What's the risk? Why is the trade not already announced??!?!?!?
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No way the Steelers are trading Ben to only move up 10 slots in the draft.
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If the Rooney's trade BB for a measly 10 spot advancement in this year's first round, after they gave Santonio away for a lowly 5th round pick....well it would seem just almost too unbelievable!
 
pghrob said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
If the raiders are really going after Iupati or Anthony Davis, then both should be available at 18. So why not trade the 8th pick for the 18th and Big Ben?get the guy you want at a cheaper price, plus get a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is young and has many years left to play.What is there to think about Al???????????Do this deal. It's like trading for the player you were coveting at a discount, and throw in a very manageable top 3 NFL QB. What's the risk? Why is the trade not already announced??!?!?!?
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No way the Steelers are trading Ben to only move up 10 slots in the draft.
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If the Rooney's trade BB for a measly 10 spot advancement in this year's first round, after they gave Santonio away for a lowly 5th round pick....well it would seem just almost too unbelievable!
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Comer said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
If the raiders are really going after Iupati or Anthony Davis, then both should be available at 18. So why not trade the 8th pick for the 18th and Big Ben?get the guy you want at a cheaper price, plus get a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is young and has many years left to play.What is there to think about Al???????????Do this deal. It's like trading for the player you were coveting at a discount, and throw in a very manageable top 3 NFL QB. What's the risk? Why is the trade not already announced??!?!?!?
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No way the Steelers are trading Ben to only move up 10 slots in the draft.
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Hate to tell you,10 first round spots is probably his value.
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If it is then the Rooneys have officially taken over Al Davis for being the stupidest owners in the league.
 
IvanKaramazov said:
Hard to believe that Santonio Holmes gets dumped overboard for a 5th round pick and now we're talking about Roethlisberger getting traded for 10 spots in the first round. If this came to pass, it would have to rank up there as one of the most disasterous offseasons of all times. I'm sure there have been worse, but I'm drawing a blank for anything in recent memory.
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Steelfan7 said:
Comer said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
If the raiders are really going after Iupati or Anthony Davis, then both should be available at 18. So why not trade the 8th pick for the 18th and Big Ben?get the guy you want at a cheaper price, plus get a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is young and has many years left to play.What is there to think about Al???????????Do this deal. It's like trading for the player you were coveting at a discount, and throw in a very manageable top 3 NFL QB. What's the risk? Why is the trade not already announced??!?!?!?
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No way the Steelers are trading Ben to only move up 10 slots in the draft.
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Hate to tell you,10 first round spots is probably his value.
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If it is then the Rooneys have officially taken over Al Davis for being the stupidest owners in the league.
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Rooney will never catch William Clay Ford for that title.
 
Comer said:
Steelfan7 said:
Comer said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
If the raiders are really going after Iupati or Anthony Davis, then both should be available at 18. So why not trade the 8th pick for the 18th and Big Ben?get the guy you want at a cheaper price, plus get a 2-time Super Bowl winning QB who is young and has many years left to play.What is there to think about Al???????????Do this deal. It's like trading for the player you were coveting at a discount, and throw in a very manageable top 3 NFL QB. What's the risk? Why is the trade not already announced??!?!?!?
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No way the Steelers are trading Ben to only move up 10 slots in the draft.
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Hate to tell you,10 first round spots is probably his value.
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If it is then the Rooneys have officially taken over Al Davis for being the stupidest owners in the league.
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Rooney will never catch William Clay Ford for that title.
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:thumbup: :lmao:
 
If I were the Seahawks, I'd trade #6 for Ben in a heartbeat. You don't get a player with his talent easily. Yes, there are risks, but there are also risks with drafting an unproven player and paying him a big contract. Ben's contract is cap-friendly. The Seahawks really need a QB. I would hope that this whole fiasco will get Ben to turn his life around.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Pardon my interruption of your Megan Fox fantasies, but I have provided you a legit link. 10 spots = Big Ben
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That's not a legit source. He's a hack.
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Oh, ok my bad...he's a hack....that get's published on NFL.COM
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I think he's interpreting it wrong, because I've heard other analysts saying that if the Steelers "could" trade Ben to the Raiders for the 8, THEN they'd look at using the 8 and 18 to try and entice St. Louis to give up Bradford.
 
encaitar said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Pardon my interruption of your Megan Fox fantasies, but I have provided you a legit link. 10 spots = Big Ben
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That's not a legit source. He's a hack.
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Oh, ok my bad...he's a hack....that get's published on NFL.COM
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I think he's interpreting it wrong, because I've heard other analysts saying that if the Steelers "could" trade Ben to the Raiders for the 8, THEN they'd look at using the 8 and 18 to try and entice St. Louis to give up Bradford.
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I don't want to take anything out of context or be accused of interpreting what someone else says, I just read an NFL.COM writer state the following: "That could make the Raiders the only fit. The Steelers are open to packaging Roethlisberger and the No. 18 pick to move up in the draft. The Raiders own the No. 8 selection."Interpret that unedited, unchopped statement for what its worth.
 
gheemony said:
If I were the Seahawks, I'd trade #6 for Ben in a heartbeat. You don't get a player with his talent easily. Yes, there are risks, but there are also risks with drafting an unproven player and paying him a big contract. Ben's contract is cap-friendly. The Seahawks really need a QB. I would hope that this whole fiasco will get Ben to turn his life around.
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$12M a year is cap friendly?
 
Raiderfan32904 said:
encaitar said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Steelfan7 said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Pardon my interruption of your Megan Fox fantasies, but I have provided you a legit link. 10 spots = Big Ben
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That's not a legit source. He's a hack.
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Oh, ok my bad...he's a hack....that get's published on NFL.COM
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I think he's interpreting it wrong, because I've heard other analysts saying that if the Steelers "could" trade Ben to the Raiders for the 8, THEN they'd look at using the 8 and 18 to try and entice St. Louis to give up Bradford.
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I don't want to take anything out of context or be accused of interpreting what someone else says, I just read an NFL.COM writer state the following: "That could make the Raiders the only fit. The Steelers are open to packaging Roethlisberger and the No. 18 pick to move up in the draft. The Raiders own the No. 8 selection."Interpret that unedited, unchopped statement for what its worth.
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I don't think you're interpreting that wrong at all. My point is that I believe LaCanfora is interpreting what he hears wrong. Honestly, if the Steelers are offering Ben and the #18 for the #8, then the Raiders better be jumping all over that.
 
I don't think you're interpreting that wrong at all. My point is that I believe LaCanfora is interpreting what he hears wrong. Honestly, if the Steelers are offering Ben and the #18 for the #8, then the Raiders better be jumping all over that.

Could not agree with you more. I am jumping up and down telepathically screaming to Al to do this thing before the Rooneys come to their senses.

 
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Evilgrin 72 said:
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Evilgrin 72 said:
Chairshot said:
Only someone ignorant of any facts would claim he "raped 2 chicks" without having a single shred of evidence that he'd done anything of the kind. Just my opinion. "Victim" #1 texted friends after the supposed rape occurred bragging about having sex with him and how she was going to go visit him in Pittsburgh, et al. "Victim" #2 gave a statement to police containing the "facts" many are now damning Roethlisberger on after originally saying she didn't even remember if they'd had sex or not.

The bottom line is that we have no idea what went on in that bathroom, but the ONLY people to have seen all the facts decided there wasn't enough evidence to even warrant pressing charges. Rather than deferring to that judgment, people seem to be awfully quick to call a guy a rapist based on the (by all accounts) third version of a story leveled by a 20 year old girl who by her own admission was so drunk, she couldn't even determine whether or not she had sex with someone.
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I am definitely not ignorant of the facts.So it's your position that this is all a big misunderstanding, that Roethlisberger is innocent of any wrongdoing?
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No, I'm saying that it's certainly a possibility, and that if there was wrongdoing, it very probably stopped way short of rape. thus, calling someone "a rapist" is somewhat irresponsible.
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But, if you believe, as so many of us do, that he did commit rape, then he is a rapist...and there should be no problem calling him a rapist.Too bad he put himself in this position that it raises serious concerns that he did rape her.
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So you believing it makes it true? OK, I'm done with this discussion.
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Don't waste your time.
 
Chase Stuart said:
gheemony said:
If I were the Seahawks, I'd trade #6 for Ben in a heartbeat. You don't get a player with his talent easily. Yes, there are risks, but there are also risks with drafting an unproven player and paying him a big contract. Ben's contract is cap-friendly. The Seahawks really need a QB. I would hope that this whole fiasco will get Ben to turn his life around.
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$12M a year is cap friendly?
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When #2 WRs are commanding $8-10 mil a year, I'd agree that the contract is very affordable for a franchise QB.
 
DenverBroncos said:
Teams would be crazy NOT to give up a 1st for him (even with baggage). If a team comes out of the NFL draft with a top 8 QB who has 2 superbowls and is only 28, that would be a succesful draft.ps I'd love to see Big Ben in SF with VD and Crabs (he may already have these anyways).
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:towelwave: Maybe I've just been out of the loop and this is an old joke, but it's funny as hell.
 
gheemony said:
If I were the Seahawks, I'd trade #6 for Ben in a heartbeat. You don't get a player with his talent easily. Yes, there are risks, but there are also risks with drafting an unproven player and paying him a big contract. Ben's contract is cap-friendly. The Seahawks really need a QB. I would hope that this whole fiasco will get Ben to turn his life around.
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I would rather see the 14th, but if they are offering. BB and their 1st also I would be fine with the 6th.Football aside, hopefully these close calls give him a wake up call. The mandatory mental evaluation and counseling can't hurt
 
@TMIAHM Cant name source. Details Raiders 1st rd pick (8th) and Asomugha for Ben and Steelers 1st rd pick (18)
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Seems like his source might be half the posters in this thread who are assuming the deal could get done like that. Well, maybe you Stillers can enjoy your 10 spot move + Aso's nice contract! :goodposting:
 
Looks like the Steelers are just not getting anything in value for BB.....

Could be stuck with disenfranchised QB. Hope BB has a come to Jesus meeting soon with the Rooneys. What a mess in Pittsburgh.

From PFT:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

On Roethlisberger trade, Steelers likely have passed the point of no return

Posted by Mike Florio on April 21, 2010 10:36 PM ET

For a week, the Steelers failed to nip in the bud the notion that he is available via trade. Now, for nearly a full day, they have been actively shopping him to other teams, in the wake of the announcement of his six-game suspension for violating the NFL's Personal Conduct Policy.

So what happens if the Steelers can't trade him for a first-round pick? Do they go for a Donovan McNabb package, with a second-round pick in 2010 and something more in 2011?

Or do they simply bring him back?

It could be too late for the Steelers to unring this bell, now that they're trying to move the eleventh pick from the 2004 draft. Really, how often does a starting quarterback move from trading block to his old job?

To date, Roethlisberger's camp has been silent. With the Steelers' immediate response to the news of a suspension to be to commence the process of dumping him, maybe he has decided that he wants out.

Either way, this story won't be wrapping up any time soon. If he gets traded, it's actually only getting started.

 
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I'm talking about the DA. He had every piece of evidence there was, far more than anyone here is privy to, and he determined that there wasn't sufficient evidence to press charges.
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You're aware that the investigating officer that night tried to keep the woman from pressing charges, and allowed evidence to be destroyed, right? And that the bar scrubbed the bathroom clean and destroyed their video, right?
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Doesn't occur to you that the bar found out the girl was underage and wanted the matter to die so they didn't lose their liquor license? Or that the investigating officer saw the girl was blitzed and was being prodded by her sorority sisters and didn't want a media circus over something he didn't feel was illegal? It's not necessarily a conspiracy to cover up for Roethlisberger.You're dealing only in circumstantial evidence and statements the veracity of which we cannot determine. That's why no charges were filed. You may convict him in your mind, but the truth is, we have no idea what went on.But carry on calling him a rapist if you like. It's your right.
 
Erin Go Bragh said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
Exactly why they shouldn't unload him right now.Let's say you and a friend each buy stock (you bought RTH, he bought CUT) at $10 a share and both stocks go through the roof. Your buddy dumps his shares of Cutler, Inc a year ago for $40 a share and makes a killing. You decide to hold on to RTH, even though it's at $50. Here we are a year later and a scandal has rocked RTH. Something about execs using company funds to pay for trips to Thailand to sleep with underage male prostitutes. Stock is now at about $9 a share. However, by all accounts, it seems to be a temporary setback. Sure, further scandal could render the stock completely useless, but it's more likely that it will at least double a year from now, and could theoretically move back into that $30-50 range in the same time period. Someone comes along and offers you $9.50 a share for your entire stake.Yeah, it's a good deal NOW because you're going to recoup most of your initial investment and the stock has bottomed out. But if you think a bounce-back (Roethlisberger stays out of further trouble) is more likely than the stock bottoming out (he gets himself into another sexual assault mess,) and that this stock is very likely to be trading anywhere from $20-$40 a share in the upcoming year, is it a good idea to sell off your position now?
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I like the analogy but who is in a better position to gauge whether or not Roethlisberger will bottom out or bounce back than the Steelers? The mere fact that they are apparently shopping him tells me they think he is a great risk to bottow out in terms of value.
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I think they're the guy who takes the moral stand and unloads the stock because they don't want to be shreholders in the company that is all over the news with the words "Male Thai hookers" attached to it. I'm the guy who holds on to the stock and waits for it to rise, damn the torpedoes and what anyone else says. That's why I don't agree with trading him.
 
Chase Stuart said:
Evilgrin 72 said:
Exactly why they shouldn't unload him right now.Let's say you and a friend each buy stock (you bought RTH, he bought CUT) at $10 a share and both stocks go through the roof. Your buddy dumps his shares of Cutler, Inc a year ago for $40 a share and makes a killing. You decide to hold on to RTH, even though it's at $50. Here we are a year later and a scandal has rocked RTH. Something about execs using company funds to pay for trips to Thailand to sleep with underage male prostitutes. Stock is now at about $9 a share. However, by all accounts, it seems to be a temporary setback. Sure, further scandal could render the stock completely useless, but it's more likely that it will at least double a year from now, and could theoretically move back into that $30-50 range in the same time period. Someone comes along and offers you $9.50 a share for your entire stake.Yeah, it's a good deal NOW because you're going to recoup most of your initial investment and the stock has bottomed out. But if you think a bounce-back (Roethlisberger stays out of further trouble) is more likely than the stock bottoming out (he gets himself into another sexual assault mess,) and that this stock is very likely to be trading anywhere from $20-$40 a share in the upcoming year, is it a good idea to sell off your position now?
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In your example, some one would come in and buy RTH at about $20 per share if they thought it was likely that it would be trading at double in a bout a year with much higher upside. The market value would include the likelihood that the stock is only suffering a temporary setback and is likely to soar over the coming years.
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Not if all the other investors knew the guy holding the stock was guaranteed to selll at $9.50 because he was calling everyone with money in the bank in an attempt to unload it at a song.
 
ScottyFargo said:
@TMIAHM Cant name source. Details Raiders 1st rd pick (8th) and Asomugha for Ben and Steelers 1st rd pick (18)
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Seems like his source might be half the posters in this thread who are assuming the deal could get done like that. Well, maybe you Stillers can enjoy your 10 spot move + Aso's nice contract! :towelwave:
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You're very Steelers obsessed for a Vikings fan.
 
Evilgrin 72 said:
ScottyFargo said:
@TMIAHM Cant name source. Details Raiders 1st rd pick (8th) and Asomugha for Ben and Steelers 1st rd pick (18)
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Seems like his source might be half the posters in this thread who are assuming the deal could get done like that. Well, maybe you Stillers can enjoy your 10 spot move + Aso's nice contract! :towelwave:
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You're very Steelers obsessed for a Vikings fan.
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As a diehard Viking fan, everything that affects the NFL is pertinent to me. (Also, the historical Vikings threw a lot of rape around with their pillaging so I am following BenGray's story with that in perspective. Not that he's Viking material, mind you.)Also: The Raiders (who some have claimed have been a poorly run franchise) did not think Ben was worth a single 1st rounder, let alone multiple firsts a la Cutler
Steve Corkran of the Oakland Tribune reports that the Raiders contacted the Steelers about a possible trade, that the Raiders weren't willing to give up the No. 8 pick in the draft, and the Steelers weren't willing to throw in the No. 18 pick in order to sweeten the deal.So unless the Steelers will take Oakland's second-round pick, it's not going to happen.
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Steelers are really boxing themselves into a corner with all the shopping but are clearly asking for too high a price for someone who is one strike away from being out of the league.
 
The fact that Ben can't even get a single first round pick should speak volumes to his defenders. Apparently the rest of the league is already aware of his character...or lack thereof. And I'm not just talking about the one or two incidents in question at the moment.

 
latest Schefter toots:

# Let's rule out some more potential landing spots for Ben Roethlisberger: No Raiders, no Jaguars. about 1 hour ago via web

# Interesting part is Raiders and Bills would have seemed no brainers. And they're not interested. about 1 hour ago via web

:football:

 
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