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Lake Delton, Wis., police investigate whether Green Bay Packer was involved in sexual assault

Associated Press

June 5, 2010 - 4:35 PM

LAKE DELTON, Wis. - Police in a south-central Wisconsin community say a Green Bay Packers player is under investigation for the alleged sexual assault of two women early Saturday.

Police in Lake Delton, outside of Madison, have not identified the player and say no one has been arrested.

Sgt. Gerald Grimsled says officers responded to a Lake Delton condo around 4:20 a.m. Saturday on a report that two women were sexually assaulted. He says seven players were questioned and all cooperated. He says they were all released but police are still investigating whether one of the players was involved in assaulting the women.

Grimsled says the six others are not suspected of criminal activity. They are Matthew Flynn, Khalil Jones, Joshua Sitton, Korey Hall, Bradley Jones and Clay Matthews.

A message left for Packers spokesman Aaron Popkey was not immediately returned Saturday.

 
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Lake Delton, Wis., police investigate whether Green Bay Packer was involved in sexual assault

Associated Press

June 5, 2010 - 4:35 PM

LAKE DELTON, Wis. - Police in a south-central Wisconsin community say a Green Bay Packers player is under investigation for the alleged sexual assault of two women early Saturday.

Police in Lake Delton, outside of Madison, have not identified the player and say no one has been arrested.

Sgt. Gerald Grimsled says officers responded to a Lake Delton condo around 4:20 a.m. Saturday on a report that two women were sexually assaulted. He says seven players were questioned and all cooperated. He says they were all released but police are still investigating whether one of the players was involved in assaulting the women.

Grimsled says the six others are not suspected of criminal activity. They are Matthew Flynn, Khalil Jones, Joshua Sitton, Korey Hall, Bradley Jones and Clay Matthews.

A message left for Packers spokesman Aaron Popkey was not immediately returned Saturday.

 
Certainly does not sound good.

I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.

But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.

 
sho nuff said:
Certainly does not sound good. I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.
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No question.I do think the OP title is misleading, however. Right now there is an investigation and apparent allegations. We don't know enough right now to say "Packer's player party ends in sex assault"; no one has been arrested and obviously nothing has been proven in court. The headline suggests that we know conclusively there was a "sex assault".
 
Packers player admits sexual contact, claims there was consent

The still-unnamed member of the Green Bay Packers who is under investigation for sexual assault reportedly has admitted having sexual contact with the alleged victims. (Yes, victims.) However, the player claims that the contact with the two women was consensual, according to Charles Davis of the Green Bay Press-Gazette.

The women claim there was no consent. The women also initially claimed that more than one player was involved. Police interviewed seven Packers; six of them are not suspected of criminal misconduct.

The unnamed player becomes the third NFL player accused of sexual assault in less than a year. Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has faced two such claims. A civil suit filed earlier this year alleges that Colts defensive tackle Eric Foster sexually assaulted a hotel worker on the morning of the AFC Championship in January.

Though the six-game suspension imposed on Roethlisberger likely will trigger speculation that the unnamed Packer will face similar treatment even without an arrest, keep in mind that the league looks to pounce preemptively only on repeat offenders.

"If somebody's showing a pattern of behavior and a series of misjudgments, we should find out what that is and try to deal with the problem," NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell told me during an interview that will appear in the upcoming PFT Season Preview magazine. "I'm not going to wait for somebody to get thrown into jail."

In this case, the unnamed Packer could get thrown in jail. But the league most likely won't intervene until the matter is resolved, unless the player in question has prior issues under the Personal Conduct Policy.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...re-was-consent/

 
Balco said:
It consistently amazes me that so many pro athletes put themselves in these positions.
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Just cause they are pro athletes doesn't take away the fact that they like to party and get laid, does it? Not saying it is right, but doesn't shock me it happens, surprised it doesn't happen more to be honest. With money brings fame, with fame brings problems.
 
ClownDogs said:
Balco said:
It consistently amazes me that so many pro athletes put themselves in these positions.
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Just cause they are pro athletes doesn't take away the fact that they like to party and get laid, does it? Not saying it is right, but doesn't shock me it happens, surprised it doesn't happen more to be honest. With money brings fame, with fame brings problems.
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I completely agree with your first sentence (if I was a pro athlete there would be zero chance I would be in a serious relationship. I would enjoy my fame, no question) But you have to be smart about it. Don't put yourself in a situation where you are liquored up or are with a female who is liquored up who you just met that night. I think there are many athletes who party quite a bit and get a ton of women, but they are smart about it.Derek Jeter is a good example of a pro athlete who knows what he is doing. I am a die hard Red Sox fan who has much respect for Jeter. For the way he plays the game? Nope. For the fact he has hooked up with so many hot women.
 
Just to add to my above post, I am in no way insinuating that there was not a sexual assault that occured in this case. There very well could have been, and if there was, I hope the Packers release the perpetrator, regardless of what his status on the team is.

 
Redmen62 said:
sho nuff said:
Certainly does not sound good. I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.
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No question.I do think the OP title is misleading, however. Right now there is an investigation and apparent allegations. We don't know enough right now to say "Packer's player party ends in sex assault"; no one has been arrested and obviously nothing has been proven in court. The headline suggests that we know conclusively there was a "sex assault".
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Agreed. I have edited the topic to more accurately reflect the current state of investigations. That I did edit the topic today in no way indicates that I condone such alleged behavior. If the allegations are proven true, I hope the law throws the book at the perpetrator(s). MW
 
Mark Wimer said:
Redmen62 said:
sho nuff said:
Certainly does not sound good.

I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.

But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.
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No question.I do think the OP title is misleading, however. Right now there is an investigation and apparent allegations. We don't know enough right now to say "Packer's player party ends in sex assault"; no one has been arrested and obviously nothing has been proven in court. The headline suggests that we know conclusively there was a "sex assault".
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Agreed. I have edited the topic to more accurately reflect the current state of investigations. That I did edit the topic today in no way indicates that I condone such alleged behavior. If the allegations are proven true, I hope the law throws the book at the perpetrator(s).

MW
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Have we really gotten so PC that this doesn't go without saying?I mean are there really that many supporters of sexual assault on here?

 
Lots of questions come to mind on this one. Principally, are multiple women claiming that this guy assaulted them at separate times that night, or are they alleging that they were assaulted at the same time? It would seem hard to sexually assault 2 people at once. If he assaulted women on multiple occaisions on the same night, then the guy is a predator and deserves serious jail time.

 
ClownDogs said:
Balco said:
It consistently amazes me that so many pro athletes put themselves in these positions.
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Just cause they are pro athletes doesn't take away the fact that they like to party and get laid, does it? Not saying it is right, but doesn't shock me it happens, surprised it doesn't happen more to be honest. With money brings fame, with fame brings problems.
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I'm with you. My buddies and I recently got into a conversation about this... I was saying how that if I was worth X amount of dollars... I would be extremely careful of the women that I roll around with. There is absolutely no way I'd meet a girl at a club/bar and have sex with her the same night... just wouldn't happen. For average Joes... of course.. we call that a successful night.... but these players have millions at stake. I'm shocked that more girls don't attempt to do this... not saying she's full of you know what, but I'm surprised this allegation isn't thrown around more.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Lots of questions come to mind on this one. Principally, are multiple women claiming that this guy assaulted them at separate times that night, or are they alleging that they were assaulted at the same time? It would seem hard to sexually assault 2 people at once. If he assaulted women on multiple occaisions on the same night, then the guy is a predator and deserves serious jail time.
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All it takes to assault two people at the same time is the ability to coerce, intimidate, or otherwise overpower them.
 
Here is Bedard's article: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/95693179.html

Police are investigating a member of the Green Bay Packers in connection with an alleged sexual assault of two women Saturday morning at a condo in Lake Delton.

Three sources familiar with the case told the Journal Sentinel second-year cornerback Brandon Underwood is that player.

Police said seven Packers were at a condo where a party was taking place and where the two women said the assaults occurred.

Six Packers were interviewed and released, but police are focusing on the seventh player, who told investigators that the contact with the two women was consensual, said Sgt. Gerald Grimsled of the Lake Delton Police Department.

Grimsled said police don't believe the other six players were involved.

Lake Delton Police said the six cleared were quarterback Matt Flynn, safety Khalil Jones, guard Josh Sitton, fullback Korey Hall, and linebackers Brad Jones and Clay Matthews.

Police declined to release the name of the seventh player on Saturday.

"(The) seventh did have contact with the two females," Grimsled said. "We were pretty sure of that. Everybody was cooperative.

"It comes down to 'was it consensual sex?' One side says yes, the other says no."

The players were in town for a charity golf tournament hosted by Matthews. The two women, aged 31 and 33, are from the Milwaukee area and met the players at a bar, police said.

Sources said the incident likely happened before the entire group returned to the cabin.

Police were called at 4:17 a.m. to the condos at the Wilderness Resort Golf Cabins.

Police said that when they arrived, the six players who are not suspects had been drinking alcohol.

Police said there was no indication of a loud party when they arrived. Grimsled said the police received no complaints from others staying at the resort.

But Peter Bartell of New Berlin, who arrived at Wilderness about 3 a.m. with a group from the Ho-Chunk Casino, said he heard a boisterous party at the same cabin where the Packers stayed.

"To me it sounded like a bunch of drunks having a bachelor's party," he said.

Others said the noise wasn't enough to wake them.

Police Chief Tom Dorner said he doesn't expect to conduct more interviews. He said he would take the case to the district attorney on Monday or Tuesday to consider charges.

Matthews, Flynn, Sitton and Brad Jones are among the players scheduled to participate Sunday in a charity softball game hosted by receiver Donald Driver in Grand Chute.

Attempts to reach the players interviewed by police were unsuccessful as telephone and text messages were not returned. A handful of other players and agents contacted said they had no information about the alleged incident.

Packers spokesman Jeff Blumb said the team is "aware of the reported incident and still are gathering facts."

When apprised that the investigation centered on Underwood, 23, several players who wished to remain anonymous said he had been a problem since he was drafted in the sixth round in 2009 out of Cincinnati. Cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt talked last season about Underwood being immature early in his rookie season.

The incident comes as Pittsburgh Steelers' quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was disciplined by the National Football League with a six-game suspension after a sexual assault complaint was filed against him March 5 by a 20-year-old college student in Milledgeville, Ga.

Georgia authorities decided not to file criminal charges, but Roethlisberger was sanctioned under the NFL's personal conduct policy.

Contributing to this report were Journal Sentinel reporters Tom Silverstein, Lori Nickel, Jason Stein and Sharif Durhams, and The Associated Press.

 
Brandon went to high school 10 minutes from my house and my wife went to high school with him and his brother EJ. I'll have to ask her if he was a jackass then. With some of his teammates coming out and saying that he has been a problem from Day 1, it's certainly possible.

 
sho nuff said:
massraider said:
The only interesting thing about this story is the decision to protect his identity.
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Why?Why embarrass a player if they don't end up charging him with anything?
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I'm not saying his identity should be made public. I am saying the decision to protect it is interesting. As to your question, I'll answer with my own:

Do you think every player allegation we have heard about was after files were charged? Or did you just arrive here on Earth?

 
massraider said:
sho nuff said:
massraider said:
The only interesting thing about this story is the decision to protect his identity.
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Why?Why embarrass a player if they don't end up charging him with anything?
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I'm not saying his identity should be made public. I am saying the decision to protect it is interesting. As to your question, I'll answer with my own:

Do you think every player allegation we have heard about was after files were charged? Or did you just arrive here on Earth?
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No need for the attitude.No, I don't think every one we hear about is after charges...never claimed that.

Just that I don't find it interesting that they would do so...I think they should do so most times actually. These guys have millions at stake and releasing their name before knowing any facts can hurt them big time.

 
Gals were probably stunned that healthy young guys who had been out drinking until four in the morning who then invited them back to their cabin, and they accepted, were looking for something beyond a good game of euchre or sheepshead. If only there had been signals, signs to read, unspoken communication, well then misunderstandings would not have occured.

My position, no matter the conduct of the women, if there is anything to back this up, if there are charges, or even a protracted investigation, he ought to get kicked off of the team. As for the six who have been cleared, they are not clear in my mind. Post Roethlisberger the rules and consequences are clear. Here, they were actually out representing the organization so in many ways this is worst than Roethlisberger. Not policing themselves and their teammate makes them all culpable to some extent since they were representatives of the Packers. If there is any substantiation of the main allegation I want all of these guys to be suspended by the team for having an environment in which this could occur.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Gals were probably stunned that healthy young guys who had been out drinking until four in the morning who then invited them back to their cabin, and they accepted, were looking for something beyond a good game of euchre or sheepshead. If only there had been signals, signs to read, unspoken communication, well then misunderstandings would not have occured.My position, no matter the conduct of the women, if there is anything to back this up, if there are charges, or even a protracted investigation, he ought to get kicked off of the team. As for the six who have been cleared, they are not clear in my mind. Post Roethlisberger the rules and consequences are clear. Here, they were actually out representing the organization so in many ways this is worst than Roethlisberger. Not policing themselves and their teammate makes them all culpable to some extent since they were representatives of the Packers. If there is any substantiation of the main allegation I want all of these guys to be suspended by the team for having an environment in which this could occur.
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It's also potentially worse than Roethlisberger given there are two alleged victims instead of one. Seems like this crew was never told about the Love Boat incident from a state over or something. Of course, that was all consensual.
 
treat88 said:
Mark Wimer said:
Redmen62 said:
sho nuff said:
Certainly does not sound good.

I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.

But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.
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No question.I do think the OP title is misleading, however. Right now there is an investigation and apparent allegations. We don't know enough right now to say "Packer's player party ends in sex assault"; no one has been arrested and obviously nothing has been proven in court. The headline suggests that we know conclusively there was a "sex assault".
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Agreed. I have edited the topic to more accurately reflect the current state of investigations. That I did edit the topic today in no way indicates that I condone such alleged behavior. If the allegations are proven true, I hope the law throws the book at the perpetrator(s).

MW
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Have we really gotten so PC that this doesn't go without saying?I mean are there really that many supporters of sexual assault on here?
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There is nothing better than someone apologizing for themselves when they did nothing wrong in the first place. The best part is that the guy really feels guilty about what he did.

 
Balco said:
It consistently amazes me that so many pro athletes put themselves in these positions.
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We just don't know enough, yet. For all we know, it could have been the 2 'victims' that put this pro athlete in "these positions".
 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Gals were probably stunned that healthy young guys who had been out drinking until four in the morning who then invited them back to their cabin, and they accepted, were looking for something beyond a good game of euchre or sheepshead. If only there had been signals, signs to read, unspoken communication, well then misunderstandings would not have occured.My position, no matter the conduct of the women, if there is anything to back this up, if there are charges, or even a protracted investigation, he ought to get kicked off of the team. As for the six who have been cleared, they are not clear in my mind. Post Roethlisberger the rules and consequences are clear. Here, they were actually out representing the organization so in many ways this is worst than Roethlisberger. Not policing themselves and their teammate makes them all culpable to some extent since they were representatives of the Packers. If there is any substantiation of the main allegation I want all of these guys to be suspended by the team for having an environment in which this could occur.
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So football players can't go out, socialize, and partake in what every other mid-20 yo guy in this great country of our.
 
Steed said:
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Gals were probably stunned that healthy young guys who had been out drinking until four in the morning who then invited them back to their cabin, and they accepted, were looking for something beyond a good game of euchre or sheepshead. If only there had been signals, signs to read, unspoken communication, well then misunderstandings would not have occured.My position, no matter the conduct of the women, if there is anything to back this up, if there are charges, or even a protracted investigation, he ought to get kicked off of the team. As for the six who have been cleared, they are not clear in my mind. Post Roethlisberger the rules and consequences are clear. Here, they were actually out representing the organization so in many ways this is worst than Roethlisberger. Not policing themselves and their teammate makes them all culpable to some extent since they were representatives of the Packers. If there is any substantiation of the main allegation I want all of these guys to be suspended by the team for having an environment in which this could occur.
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So football players can't go out, socialize, and partake in what every other mid-20 yo guy in this great country of our.
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They can behave how they want when representing themselves. The consequences of their behavior fall then on them. When representing the team they have obligations to their employer. This is just my opinion. Your opinion differs, apparently. That's fine.I beleive young men should socialize. They should party, sow wild oates, what have you. They should do so with willing participants. I hope that they will have the discretion to know those participants sufficiently well that there are no misunderstandings as to consent. A High standard I know, but one I back.
 
Just charges, and they should be kicked off the team? Totally absurd. We have no idea if there's any basis to the charges. That gives a bit too much power to anyone with an axe to grind. Don't like someone? Just accuse them of something, and take away their ability to work in their chosen profession. Ridiculous,

 
Unfortunate that just this past Wednesday McCarthy singled out Underwood as one of the most improved players from last year's rookies, so far this spring (admittedly, after just one week in shorts).

(What have you seen so far from Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood?)Pat Lee, it's nice to have him out there. Pat looks healthy. Made some plays yesterday in particular I was glad to see. Pat, every time he gets on the field, he makes plays. He has this injury hurdle that hopefully he has cleared. I'm excited about his participation and what he has shown so far in the OTAs. I think Brandon Underwood would definitely be a candidate for most improved player from Year 1 to Year 2 so far from what I've seen. I think he's really matured in the weight room. He looks very good right now. I know we're only practicing in shorts and helmets, but I think Brandon Underwood is off to an outstanding spring so far. I've been very pleased with what he has shown on film.(Who else falls into that group of most improved from Year 1 to Year 2?)Oh, I think Brad Jones jumps out at me. Brandon Underwood definitely jumps out. Clay has been very consistent. It's good to see B.J. out there healthy, running around. We'll go through the whole spring and see how it goes. We need to get T.J., get him healthy. But I really like what I've been seeing from the second-year players, particularly in the weight room.
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Where was Ben Rofflesburgers the night in question?

He hasn't been implicated, but I'm sure he had something to do with it.

 
massraider said:
Just charges, and they should be kicked off the team? Totally absurd. We have no idea if there's any basis to the charges. That gives a bit too much power to anyone with an axe to grind. Don't like someone? Just accuse them of something, and take away their ability to work in their chosen profession. Ridiculous,
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Upon acquisations, no. Upon charges yes. And I am not necessarily advocating that for DUI or a simple A & B, but crimes involving moral turpitude, yes. Such charges distract the entire organization.
 
treat88 said:
Mark Wimer said:
Redmen62 said:
sho nuff said:
Certainly does not sound good.

I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.

But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.
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No question.I do think the OP title is misleading, however. Right now there is an investigation and apparent allegations. We don't know enough right now to say "Packer's player party ends in sex assault"; no one has been arrested and obviously nothing has been proven in court. The headline suggests that we know conclusively there was a "sex assault".
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Agreed. I have edited the topic to more accurately reflect the current state of investigations. That I did edit the topic today in no way indicates that I condone such alleged behavior. If the allegations are proven true, I hope the law throws the book at the perpetrator(s).

MW
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Have we really gotten so PC that this doesn't go without saying?I mean are there really that many supporters of sexual assault on here?
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I wanted to make sure that nobody thought that my editing of the topic indicated a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" attitude towards this sort of allegation. It's the sort of thing I wanted to make 100% crystal clear as a moderator for FBG's.
 
Chicago Hooligan said:
griz145389 said:
Chicago Hooligan said:
Between this, Havner, Jolly, not such a good offseason.Except for photos of Rodgers with famous chicks.
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But, wait, Ted only signs "Packers People" :shrug:
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You know how sometimes you think someone isn't crazy when you meet them, but then later you discover that they are real crazy.
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So this would make the Packers the "_____"(insert situation) Assult Uncle.Even if you really didn't know, I'm sure your parents would keep you at arms length, which is how I've always felt about vampire Thompson and his hollow remarks about a "family team." Still, it's vindication for all of the Packer fans that whisper "love boat" to me twice a year, every year in passing.
 
Redmen62 said:
sho nuff said:
Certainly does not sound good. I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.
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No question.I do think the OP title is misleading, however. Right now there is an investigation and apparent allegations. We don't know enough right now to say "Packer's player party ends in sex assault"; no one has been arrested and obviously nothing has been proven in court. The headline suggests that we know conclusively there was a "sex assault".
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Agreed. A better thread title would have been "Aaron Rodgers goes deep." :lmao:
 
griff321 said:
Chicago Hooligan said:
griz145389 said:
Chicago Hooligan said:
Between this, Havner, Jolly, not such a good offseason.Except for photos of Rodgers with famous chicks.
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But, wait, Ted only signs "Packers People" :fishing:
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You know how sometimes you think someone isn't crazy when you meet them, but then later you discover that they are real crazy.
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So this would make the Packers the "_____"(insert situation) Assult Uncle.Even if you really didn't know, I'm sure your parents would keep you at arms length, which is how I've always felt about vampire Thompson and his hollow remarks about a "family team." Still, it's vindication for all of the Packer fans that whisper "love boat" to me twice a year, every year in passing.
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So one incident with one player (all others cleared) = what happened on the Love Boat? Really?
 
Mark Wimer said:
treat88 said:
Mark Wimer said:
Redmen62 said:
sho nuff said:
Certainly does not sound good.

I will wait til I hear more and hear who it was before saying too much.

But not the kind of attention I want for the team right now.
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No question.I do think the OP title is misleading, however. Right now there is an investigation and apparent allegations. We don't know enough right now to say "Packer's player party ends in sex assault"; no one has been arrested and obviously nothing has been proven in court. The headline suggests that we know conclusively there was a "sex assault".
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Agreed. I have edited the topic to more accurately reflect the current state of investigations. That I did edit the topic today in no way indicates that I condone such alleged behavior. If the allegations are proven true, I hope the law throws the book at the perpetrator(s).

MW
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Have we really gotten so PC that this doesn't go without saying?I mean are there really that many supporters of sexual assault on here?
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I wanted to make sure that nobody thought that my editing of the topic indicated a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" attitude towards this sort of allegation. It's the sort of thing I wanted to make 100% crystal clear as a moderator for FBG's.
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Fail, the guy is right. It is a sad statement of our society. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

 
sho nuff said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Mr. Goodell, your can of worms has arrived.
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Not really...unlike Big Ben...this is not a repeat offender (though, 2 women...so perhaps it should count). If charges are dropped...do you feel he should be suspended?
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Big Ben was suspended by the commissioner ostensibly for actions that negatively reflected upon the league. "Protecting the shield". I don't think his suspension had anything to do with the Lake Tahoe incident. Based on precedent, yes, I think he should be suspended, regardless of what the investigation turns up.
 
Idiot Boxer said:
sho nuff said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Mr. Goodell, your can of worms has arrived.
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Not really...unlike Big Ben...this is not a repeat offender (though, 2 women...so perhaps it should count). If charges are dropped...do you feel he should be suspended?
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Big Ben was suspended by the commissioner ostensibly for actions that negatively reflected upon the league. "Protecting the shield". I don't think his suspension had anything to do with the Lake Tahoe incident. Based on precedent, yes, I think he should be suspended, regardless of what the investigation turns up.
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Yet..Big Ben was not suspended after the Tahoe incident.Seems the precedent is repeat offenders...not first time offenders that end up getting suspended.Underwood could get suspended...but if the charges are dropped...I doubt its close to what Big Ben got if anything at all.And he should be regardless of what the investigation turns up? So...if the investigation turns up that there is nothing to even charge him with...you want a guy suspended for allegations that amounted to no criminal charges whatsoever?
 
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As others have said, details are not provided so there is no clue as to what actually happened. If this was a cabin set up for all seven players, it must have been huge and it isn't unreasonable to assume that the six did not know what the seventh was doing. To state that the other six should be held responsible for the seventh's actions is wrong. I would also question how two women, no matter how much smaller/weaker they may have been relative to this player, could have succumbed to his unwanted advances. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it is out of the norm for one person to abuse two without some substantive evidence (again, no telling what evidence there was besides he said/they said).

 
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