Honestly, I think if he's going in the 6th round in a 12 team league, you're league mates are absolutely clueless. There's no reason he should be going that late. He's the clear cut starter on a team with one of the best offenses in the league.
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Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
I did a trade in mid-August that I'm now regretting a little as I apparently undersold him a bit. I was really looking to swap Daniels for a more healthy guy and I ended up with an extra first next year, but I'm not sure about this now:Miller, Zach OAK TEYear 2011 Round 1stYear 2011 Round 3rdfor Foster, Arian HOU RBBreaston, Steve ARI WRDaniels, Owen HOU TEYear 2011 Round 2nd
I asked nice earlier. Have a great season.J
I agree. No, he's not some all world talent, but he's no slouch either. He does just about everything pretty well, and is just as talented as guys like Grant, Rudi Johnson, etc., who have been very good FF RBs. He's plenty talented enough to succeed in that system, which is all that really matters.DansRams said:
coolnerd
Footballguy
In the past, Kubiak has said that in a perfect world of game situation and available talent the split is around 18 for the "lead" back and 12 for other guy. I think GregR actually looked it up from Slaton's rookie year and when Green was healthy that's about what happened. We unfortunately will have to wait and see if Slaton is healthy and what he thinks about Johnson/Henry as players.4 - Digit Shark said:
GregR_2
Footballguy
Kubiak has discussed what he feels a perfect game is running back wise, and without double checking the link, about a 60-40 split. Coolnerd said in the thread on what split of carries Foster and Slaton would get that he recalled it as being "lead" back would get 15-18 carries, the 2nd guy 10-12. Which is pretty much a 60/40 split.And history seems to bare this out pretty well. It's a ratio you see in many Texans games during Kubiak's regime when his top 2 RBs came into the game healthy and neither got benched for fumbling.4 - Digit Shark said:
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He went at 3.3 in my draft..... 
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6342794.htmlWent and looked the article up and it was actually 22 touches to 10-12.
If Foster averages anywhere close to 22 touches per game, I think most owners would be very happy.
why is arian foster still #28 on FBG ranks??? #1 option on a top 5 offense. And it's not like he's a scrub. FBG is supposed to be cutting-edge and I would expect them to realize what other networks and sites havent. C'mon and get this guy in the RB15 zone already. sucks that i have to actually write this down.
Doug B
Footballguy
... hmmm ... looks like one's source for fantasy info has a lot to do with where one thinks it's reasonable to take Foster.
true, but opportunity alone merits this guy to be in the top 20 RB's. you know im right.
PRE42
Footballguy
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
This thread seemed familiar to me, but I could not put my finger on it. Then I began substituting different names in for Foster. Names like Selvin Young, Ryan Torain, Quentin Griffin, Reuben Droughns, Mike Anderson...
Now I know where I've seen this thread before.
Now I know where I've seen this thread before.
it would be funny if you didnt actually believe this.
more fuel:
Arian Foster-RB-Texans
Beat writer John McClain confirms that Arian Foster will be the Texans' goal-line back and thinks he'll score 10 to 15 touchdowns if he stays healthy.
McClain isn't doing anything to help keep Foster's rapidly soaring average draft position down. He notes that Foster is playing with a chip on his shoulder after going undrafted last season and runs well inside the 5-yard line. The Texans also figure to be in the red zone a ton with that high-powered offense. Foster should be coming off draft boards in the fourth round at the latest right now.
Source: Houston Chronicle
Arian Foster-RB-Texans
Beat writer John McClain confirms that Arian Foster will be the Texans' goal-line back and thinks he'll score 10 to 15 touchdowns if he stays healthy.
McClain isn't doing anything to help keep Foster's rapidly soaring average draft position down. He notes that Foster is playing with a chip on his shoulder after going undrafted last season and runs well inside the 5-yard line. The Texans also figure to be in the red zone a ton with that high-powered offense. Foster should be coming off draft boards in the fourth round at the latest right now.
Source: Houston Chronicle
bulger2holt
Footballguy
shhhhh, a few of the guys in my league use DD. I want him at 4:2. If he's not there, then it's Finley. Can't go wrong with either I guess.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
For every hit there is a miss.Here's a thread questioning "all the Adrian Peterson hype":
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=330268
This proves nothing either way about Foster.I'm just reminding you that we're all trying to predict the future here, so there are tons of dead-wrong predictions that you can go dig up if you choose to. They're still irrelevant to the current discussion.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
So people are actually spending 2nd n 3rd round picks on this guy?You know when he fumbles he is benched, then slaton or jjohnson comes in then when they fumble its the 3rd dude. and so on. Love the quote about Olandis Gary, Ryan Torain etc. etc. lol
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Pots
Footballguy
Since when did the Texans play in Denver or have Shanny?
Koya
Footballguy
I should also add that of guys who have been mentioned re: Hype, a few have helped teams (including mine in the past) win Fantasy games and leagues.I was fortunate to pick up Bennett after his owner was tired of unfulfilled hype - that was when he had a rough first 4 games and then took off for the remainder of the season.
Mike Anderson was magic for some teams for whatever year he really broke out.
So, while you can't believe the hype too much, a decent talent in a good or great situation is nothing to sneeze at, be it Foster or someone else. Now, that doesnt mean you should reach for the guy, but you shouldnt assume the hype never pans out either.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
And, what are people getting in trades for Foster? That is one barometer of his value. If people are getting zero offers or having to put out offers, than I would say his value is not real high. Even draft pick wise in redrafts... are people trading a 4th and 5th to move up into the 3rd to draft him? Haven't heard that one yet.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That's how I feel too BSS. The hype is out of control but there is a percentage chance that Foster does really well in an explosive offense. I just don't think it is 90% as others seem to feel. What you are posting is exactly the way Kubiak coaches and you have to look down the depth charts for the "next" Foster and because of the turf toe thing with Slaton I start turning my head towards Jeremiah Johnson. I have a feeling JT will be bringing up his name if he hasn't already in the weekly dynasty stock market thread.If Foster come thru and has something like 1,500 total yds, 10-12 Tds, and a decent amount of receptions this board is going to go nuts. What are the chances of this happening? I don't know the exact number but it's not 90% or better.
Pots
Footballguy
I have a feeling people are going to lowball for trades on Foster. General perceived value is < Expecations at this point.
Insein
Footballguy
I don't consider CBS the most sophisticated group of FF players but here's some trades on Foster right now. http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfo...amp;start_row=1
08/30/2010 Matthew Stafford, QB DET for Arian Foster, RB HOU
08/30/2010 Anquan Boldin, WR BAL for Arian Foster, RB HOU & Chad Ochocinco, WR CIN
08/29/2010 Darren Sproles, RB SD for Arian Foster, RB HOU & Chad Henne, QB MIA
08/29/2010 Greg Jennings, WR GB for Michael Crabtree, WR SF & Arian Foster, RB HOU
08/29/2010 Arian Foster, RB HOU for Sammie Stroughter, WR TB
08/29/2010 Arian Foster, RB HOU & Roddy White, WR ATL for Bernard Berrian, WR MIN & Peyton Manning, QB IND
Lots of big player trades on there as well.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Trading Foster could be tricky.
As far as trades go, this might be the worst time to trade away Foster. If you're in a shark league, they are not likely to give up a lot for Foster because Foster owners will likely ask for too much. If you're in a guppy league, Foster could still be under the radar.
Seems like Foster has more trade value in a redraft. But he also seems to be more valuable in a redraft because he doesn't necessarily have the pedigree of a true dynasty RB.
As far as trades go, this might be the worst time to trade away Foster. If you're in a shark league, they are not likely to give up a lot for Foster because Foster owners will likely ask for too much. If you're in a guppy league, Foster could still be under the radar.
Seems like Foster has more trade value in a redraft. But he also seems to be more valuable in a redraft because he doesn't necessarily have the pedigree of a true dynasty RB.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
2008
Pretty much the whole top 10 RB's right now don't have a 90% chance of putting up 1,500 total yards and 10 to 12 TD's.
Domanick Davis -> Williams was good back in the day too.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
If he is productive, I don't buy the "the minute he fumbles, he is on the bench" line. Slaton was benched last year for fumbling, yes, but he was also not producing. His 3.3 YPC said it all. Had he been playing well, I doubt Kubiak would have been as quick with the hook.
And to those pointing out how big the holes Foster ran through on Saturday night, who is to say that the Texans line won't be opening holes like that all season? Foster seems to be a guy who can take advantage of those holes. It is not like the regular season is gonna start and the Houston line will suddenly forget how to block. Not saying I think Foster is the bee's knees, but I think he has an excellent chance to be a top 10 fantasy RB this season, in large part because of the offense he plays in. It is like Ryan Grant and GB; almost no one considers him a top NFL RB, but he benefits from the offense he plays in. Same thing could very well happen with Foster this year in Houston.
And to those pointing out how big the holes Foster ran through on Saturday night, who is to say that the Texans line won't be opening holes like that all season? Foster seems to be a guy who can take advantage of those holes. It is not like the regular season is gonna start and the Houston line will suddenly forget how to block. Not saying I think Foster is the bee's knees, but I think he has an excellent chance to be a top 10 fantasy RB this season, in large part because of the offense he plays in. It is like Ryan Grant and GB; almost no one considers him a top NFL RB, but he benefits from the offense he plays in. Same thing could very well happen with Foster this year in Houston.
Assuming he keeps the job and plays solidly this year I think you are seeing the next coming of Ryan Grant/Willie Parker/etc. for dynasty purposes. A solid RB2 with RB1 upside who's trade value is a lot less than his value playing on your squad.And the main reason for low trade value is that there will always be the stigma of him being an UDFA and not really being a special talent. Those guys have value, but as a dynasty owner you will always be looking over your shoulder wondering when the Texans will replace him and so will anyone thinking of trying to trade for him.
WVU Alum
Footballguy
Foster was yanked last year, for an entire game, after one fumble.
WVU Alum
Footballguy
The ADP debate and the Foster debate are apples and oranges. ADP was a consensus #1 back. Foster is an UDFA. How many UDFA's have gone on to have top 10 seasons their first (non-rookie) year carrying the load? I ask this question because I do not know... but I would guess not many.
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Slaton didn't lose his job until he fumbled for the 7th time (losing 5) of the season in week 7. Plus, he was playing terribly even without the fumbles. I don't think Foster will get quite as long of a leash, but if he has a couple of good games to start off the season then fumbles in week 5, I doubt he's losing his job. All RBs fumble some. Yes, he came out of week 15 last year after a fumble, but he was right back to being the starter the next week.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Dude pull up week15 stat line for Foster last year. Fumbled then didnt touch the ball again that game.Slaton lost that job due to injury, granted he got benched in a game for fumbling too.
The point is this has committee written all over it, and people are going bananas for foster.
Koya
Footballguy
I may not have been clear in my response because of which quote I selected - Im not talking about ADP. Im talking about the "hype" guys like Mike Anderson, Michael Bennett, Dom Davis even - guys who had a lot of hype and if you help on too long, they didnt do much, but for one or two seasons, these guys helped some savvy owners win a lot of FF games and sometimes, championships.
I see what you did there.Dude pull up week15 stat line for Foster last year. Fumbled then didnt touch the ball again that game.Slaton lost that job due to injury, granted he got benched in a game for fumbling too.
The point is this has committee written all over it, and people are going bananas for foster.
Have you followed the Texans at all? Yeah, I know Foster was benched for the rest of that 1 game because he fumbled. I also know that he didn't lose his job because of it, he started the next two games. Slaton lost his job because he sucked and he fumbled, not because of injury (although Slaton apologists blame the fumbles/suckiness on injury).Dude pull up week15 stat line for Foster last year. Fumbled then didnt touch the ball again that game.Slaton lost that job due to injury, granted he got benched in a game for fumbling too.Slaton didn't lose his job until he fumbled for the 7th time (losing 5) of the season in week 7. Plus, he was playing terribly even without the fumbles. I don't think Foster will get quite as long of a leash, but if he has a couple of good games to start off the season then fumbles in week 5, I doubt he's losing his job. All RBs fumble some. Yes, he came out of week 15 last year after a fumble, but he was right back to being the starter the next week.
The point is this has committee written all over it, and people are going bananas for foster.
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Steve Slaton: "A pinched nerve in my neck is making me lose feeling in my arms and hands."Coach Humpback: "Quit yer whining and get back out there! And don't drop the ball this time!"
WVU Alum
Footballguy
Steve Slaton to IR He was placed on IR before Arian Foster ever got the start. Ryan Moats and Chris Brown went in when Slaton was pulled, not Foster. I am curious as to what else you "know."Have you followed the Texans at all? Yeah, I know Foster was benched for the rest of that 1 game because he fumbled. I also know that he didn't lose his job because of it, he started the next two games. Slaton lost his job because he sucked and he fumbled, not because of injury (although Slaton apologists blame the fumbles/suckiness on injury).Dude pull up week15 stat line for Foster last year. Fumbled then didnt touch the ball again that game.Slaton lost that job due to injury, granted he got benched in a game for fumbling too.Slaton didn't lose his job until he fumbled for the 7th time (losing 5) of the season in week 7. Plus, he was playing terribly even without the fumbles. I don't think Foster will get quite as long of a leash, but if he has a couple of good games to start off the season then fumbles in week 5, I doubt he's losing his job. All RBs fumble some. Yes, he came out of week 15 last year after a fumble, but he was right back to being the starter the next week.
The point is this has committee written all over it, and people are going bananas for foster.
I was talking about Foster not losing his starting job, which should be pretty obvious- he came out of the week 15 game when he fumbled, then started the next two games. Might want to slow down and read before you get all chippy.Steve Slaton to IR He was placed on IR before Arian Foster ever got the start. Ryan Moats and Chris Brown went in when Slaton was pulled, not Foster. I am curious as to what else you "know."Have you followed the Texans at all? Yeah, I know Foster was benched for the rest of that 1 game because he fumbled. I also know that he didn't lose his job because of it, he started the next two games. Slaton lost his job because he sucked and he fumbled, not because of injury (although Slaton apologists blame the fumbles/suckiness on injury).Dude pull up week15 stat line for Foster last year. Fumbled then didnt touch the ball again that game.Slaton lost that job due to injury, granted he got benched in a game for fumbling too.Slaton didn't lose his job until he fumbled for the 7th time (losing 5) of the season in week 7. Plus, he was playing terribly even without the fumbles. I don't think Foster will get quite as long of a leash, but if he has a couple of good games to start off the season then fumbles in week 5, I doubt he's losing his job. All RBs fumble some. Yes, he came out of week 15 last year after a fumble, but he was right back to being the starter the next week.
The point is this has committee written all over it, and people are going bananas for foster.
WVU Alum
Footballguy
Pretty sure it reads like I said. Foster likely retained the job because he was the only back left that was healthy. Slaton lost it because he went on IR.
WVU Alum
Footballguy
Nothing.Some buy into Foster, some don't.Some think he is low risk, most think he is high risk.Some desperately cling to hope for Slaton.Some look for value after Foster. Same as every thread here, just the names and places are different.First post in this thread. So what have I missed?
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Arian Foster's ADP is declining. It was middle of Round 2 yesterday, now it is down to early 3rd Round.The Jeremiah Johnson hype train has cheap tickets but is filling up fast.First post in this thread. So what have I missed?
