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Greg Camarillo/Jabar Gaffney (1 Viewer)

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Greg Camarillo - Very reliable hands, runs very good routes, has decent speed. On a team where the #1 WR may be out for the year, the #2 WR is not am ideal possesion WR and the #3 WR seems to have a migrane headache every week. Couple all that and the fact you can have him for peanuts = deep PPR sleeper

Jabar Gaffney - On a team that lost their best offensive player. The #2 WR is nothing more than a streak player who is not a realiable nor big target in the red zone. Their 2 rookie WR's have health issues, and Brandon Stokely is your main competion for a starting gig = deep PPR sleeper and maybe 7-8 TD's easy.

These are 2 guys that seriously have WR3 numbers (who knows maybe one suprises with borderline WR2 numbers) at a WR 5-6 price.

What does The Shark Pool think about these 2 jouneyman?

 
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I don't know very much except the numbers about Greg Camarillo. I hear a lot of talk about him being a "Welker type" receiver. Not sure how accurate that is, and anyone who can add anything on it below would be much appreciated.

Does Favre have much history of using that kind of nickel and dime WR effectively? I know he used to use Sterling on a lot of short routes, but five yard outs and comebackers to the flanker and SE are a little different from finding a slot guy over the middle Brady style. Any reason to think Favre will be comfortable (or not) here?

 
I don't know very much except the numbers about Greg Camarillo. I hear a lot of talk about him being a "Welker type" receiver. Not sure how accurate that is, and anyone who can add anything on it below would be much appreciated.Does Favre have much history of using that kind of nickel and dime WR effectively? I know he used to use Sterling on a lot of short routes, but five yard outs and comebackers to the flanker and SE are a little different from finding a slot guy over the middle Brady style. Any reason to think Favre will be comfortable (or not) here?
I think Camarillo could be decent. As far as Favre goes Camarillo reminds me of Robert Ferguson, but he is a bit better. He has a similar skillset to Harvin though, so one of them will have to move outside.
 
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Another to add to that list is Brian Hartline, is preseason is any indication. He's looking like Henne's safety read in preseason.

 
Camarillo is a very realiable target, he almost never drops any pass thrown his way. I can see Favre locking on to him early and often. Without Rice in the picture he has the best hands of all the WR's that are active.

 
Not sure if Gaffney is so much of a sleeper anymore. He should be drafted in the top 100 this year. 75/900/6 seems pretty likely to me.

Camarillo could be a sleeper though. Until he actually returns, I am assuming Sidney Rice is done for the year. Especially after reading this:

Rice said on his Twitter account Tuesday that he had a "great pool workout" with fellow hip-surgery patient Jonny Flynn, the point guard for the Timberwolves. Flynn had his procedure done six weeks ago and is expected to need another two or three months to recover

So Rice caught 83 passes a year ago. The departed Chester Taylor caught 44. Thats 127 catches to go around. I doubt the Vikings offense will be as prolific without Rice, so that number may dwindle somewhat.

Not sure that Gerhart will fill that role as he wasn't much of a receiver at Stanford. ADP will probably get a little bit more in the receiving game, but how many more touches can the guy get? He had 357 combined last year before the playoffs. Shiancoe and Kleinsasser could get a bump up in receptions, as could Harvin. I don't think Berrian will add much to his game though. My guess is Camarillo gets 60/660/4. Pretty active part of the offense and a reasonable bye fill in.

 
Not sure if Gaffney is so much of a sleeper anymore. He should be drafted in the top 100 this year. 75/900/6 seems pretty likely to me.

Camarillo could be a sleeper though. Until he actually returns, I am assuming Sidney Rice is done for the year. Especially after reading this:

Rice said on his Twitter account Tuesday that he had a "great pool workout" with fellow hip-surgery patient Jonny Flynn, the point guard for the Timberwolves. Flynn had his procedure done six weeks ago and is expected to need another two or three months to recover

So Rice caught 83 passes a year ago. The departed Chester Taylor caught 44. Thats 127 catches to go around. I doubt the Vikings offense will be as prolific without Rice, so that number may dwindle somewhat.

Not sure that Gerhart will fill that role as he wasn't much of a receiver at Stanford. ADP will probably get a little bit more in the receiving game, but how many more touches can the guy get? He had 357 combined last year before the playoffs. Shiancoe and Kleinsasser could get a bump up in receptions, as could Harvin. I don't think Berrian will add much to his game though. My guess is Camarillo gets 60/660/4. Pretty active part of the offense and a reasonable bye fill in.
In my only redraft I grabbed him in round 15 pick 173. 12 team league and i would say 8 of the 12 owners are sharks.

So I am not so sure about that.

I think Gaffney can actually get 70 receptions 1100 yards and 7 TD's. A one year wonder for sure...but I think this guy can do it in that offense this year.

 
Not sure if Gaffney is so much of a sleeper anymore. He should be drafted in the top 100 this year. 75/900/6 seems pretty likely to me.

Camarillo could be a sleeper though. Until he actually returns, I am assuming Sidney Rice is done for the year. Especially after reading this:

Rice said on his Twitter account Tuesday that he had a "great pool workout" with fellow hip-surgery patient Jonny Flynn, the point guard for the Timberwolves. Flynn had his procedure done six weeks ago and is expected to need another two or three months to recover

So Rice caught 83 passes a year ago. The departed Chester Taylor caught 44. Thats 127 catches to go around. I doubt the Vikings offense will be as prolific without Rice, so that number may dwindle somewhat.

Not sure that Gerhart will fill that role as he wasn't much of a receiver at Stanford. ADP will probably get a little bit more in the receiving game, but how many more touches can the guy get? He had 357 combined last year before the playoffs. Shiancoe and Kleinsasser could get a bump up in receptions, as could Harvin. I don't think Berrian will add much to his game though. My guess is Camarillo gets 60/660/4. Pretty active part of the offense and a reasonable bye fill in.
In my only redraft I grabbed him in round 15 pick 173. 12 team league and i would say 8 of the 12 owners are sharks.

So I am not so sure about that.

I think Gaffney can actually get 70 receptions 1100 yards and 7 TD's. A one year wonder for sure...but I think this guy can do it in that offense this year.
fwiw in my all shark league (15 yr league) 12 team redraft he went at 7.4Round 7

Pick Team Player Elapsed Time Pts

1 MEYER Owens, Terrell WR CIN 1 min 57 sec 0/0

2 City All-Stars Bush, Michael RB OAK 31 sec 0/0

3 Kattz Floyd, Malcom WR SD 60 sec 0/0

4 MEYER Gaffney, Jabar WR DEN 3 min 31 sec 0/0

5 Media Monolith Bush, Reggie RB NO 50 sec 0/0

6 Harder than you think (Public Enemy 09) Celek, Brent TE PHI 25 sec 0/0

7 WowWowWow Williams, Mike WR TB 1 min 50 sec 0/0

8 The Old Guard Jacobs, Brandon RB NYG 2 min 12 sec 0/0

9 DRAGON ARMY Bryant, Dez WR DAL 19 sec 0/0

10 Covergirls Gonzalez, Tony TE ATL 2 min 7 sec 0/0

11 Ivan/Keller Houshmandzadeh, T.J. WR SEA 44 sec 0/0

12 Angry Ponies Shiancoe, Visanthe TE MIN 58 sec 0/0

 
Article on Camarillo

Newcomer Camarillo catching on with Vikings

By MARK CRAIG - Star Tribune (Minneapolis)

MINNEAPOLIS -- Greg Camarillo has proven to be a good guy to have around when an offense is in a state of flux and/or panic a week before the season opener.

In his third full day as a Viking, the former Dolphins receiver played eight snaps alongside Brett Favre in Saturday's preseason win over Seattle. Of those eight plays, Camarillo was targeted five times by a legendary quarterback that Camarillo admits "probably didn't even know my name."

If that's true, Favre knows it now.

http://www.startribune.com

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Camarillo grabbed all four catchable passes and turned third down into first down three times. Not bad for a guy who had been given 15 plays to memorize about 60 hours earlier.

"Once you get on the field, football is football," Camarillo said. "Plays end up being the same wherever you are."

In his first snap since the trade from Miami, Camarillo lined up in the right slot on third-and-9. He found a gap between three defenders and caught a well-placed pass on the run for 22 yards.

Camarillo's second snap came seven plays later. Lined up this time in the left slot on third-and-8, he found another soft spot, caught a pass and gained 12 yards to the Seattle 6.

Good play. Wrong route.

"I don't know what he was doing," offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell said of the route. "I'm not sure he knew what he was doing."

Camarillo's other catches were a 7-yarder while lined up wide left and a 6-yarder on third-and-3 while lined up wide right. That's four catches from all four spots where receivers typically line up. Overall, Camarillo lined up slot left twice, slot right twice, wide right three times and wide left once.

"He's got a great ability to work a zone," coach Brad Childress said. "He's a good football player and he understands route concepts. ... I think he'll be a valuable guy, being able to swing all across the board before it's over."

One thing the 6-1, 190-pounder isn't is a deep threat. Favre overthrew him badly on a deep ball and was intercepted.

"That," said Camarillo, "is probably not the strength of my game."

Camarillo won't be labeled anyone's No. 1 receiver. Then again, does it really matter?

Bernard Berrian technically is the team's No. 1 receiver while Sidney Rice recovers from hip surgery. Against Seattle, Berrian played 36 snaps and was Favre's target fewer times (four) than Camarillo.

Berrian wasn't thrown to until his 16th snap. It was a slant pass that went through his hands and was turned into an 86-yard interception return for a touchdown. Berrian also couldn't catch up to a deep ball and finished with just one catch for 8 yards. :rant:

Regardless of his spot in the pecking order, Camarillo is looking forward to working more with Favre.

"He makes my job easy," Camarillo said. "To have a quarterback that caliber is what a receiver wants. If you run a route and get open, the ball is put right on the money."

Even if it's the wrong route run by a stranger to an offense that's still in a state of flux.

Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2010/09/01/1416964...l#ixzz0yO9sxRGJ
Honestly if this guy is getting 60% of the targets (and producing nice gains with em) then color me intrigued...Favre is gonna chuck it, and his arm isn't what it used to be. Ergo a lot of short passes to the 'open guy'. with all the attention on AP/berrien/VShank I could see this guy being a great play, especially in PPRs.

Favre is a warrior, but I have a sneaking suspicion his arm/deep ball is going to fall off this year, meaning that the 'underneath guys' are where the real value is in this offense. Especially since the LB's pay so much attn to AP.

 
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Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat. That leaves Harvin as the main competition for Favre's love. While Peterson will run a bunch, Favre is going to pass the ball more than Childress would like.

 
Gaffney will be on almost every one of my teams this year......

Camarillo might be a nice WR5-6.......I could see him getting some looks.......

I'm also liking Bess more with Cam out of town.......

 
Favre seemed to sure like Camarillo in that last preseason game. Camarillo caught 4 for 47 yds, and I can't remember if he was targeted more than that.

 
Am I the only one who would much rather have Royal than Gaffney?
I like Royal's game and potential better than Gaffney, who I look at, and frankly don't see a lot to like as a professional NFL WR. But Orton seems to like to throw to him, so who am I to argue? I'll take ugly production over beautiful potential every time.
 
Gaffney will be on almost every one of my teams this year......Camarillo might be a nice WR5-6.......I could see him getting some looks.......I'm also liking Bess more with Cam out of town.......
Something seems off here...Camarillo will be Favre's WR1A (to Harvin's WR1B) for at least the first half of the season and he's a WR5-6?
 
Gaffney will be on almost every one of my teams this year......Camarillo might be a nice WR5-6.......I could see him getting some looks.......I'm also liking Bess more with Cam out of town.......
Something seems off here...Camarillo will be Favre's WR1A (to Harvin's WR1B) for at least the first half of the season and he's a WR5-6?
You really think Camarillo will be the WR1 in this offense?
 
Gaffney will be on almost every one of my teams this year......Camarillo might be a nice WR5-6.......I could see him getting some looks.......I'm also liking Bess more with Cam out of town.......
Something seems off here...Camarillo will be Favre's WR1A (to Harvin's WR1B) for at least the first half of the season and he's a WR5-6?
You really think Camarillo will be the WR1 in this offense?
He certainly can be. He is a better all around player than Bernard Berrian. There I said it. Harvin can't stay healthy so it seems early on. Camarillo runs very crisp routes. He is deceptivly quick. He is not a deep threat but he can do some damage after the catch. But more importantly he has fantastic hands. Favre will be leaning on him heavily early and often. If Rice does not return (it ain't looking good) we have a super sleeper here. The 2 reasons the Dolphins traded him are1) We have 2 other WR's almost exactly like him (Bess, Hartline)2) We needed a nickel back badly with Will Allen not fully recovered from not only a knee injury (ACL) but he had another procedure to clean out the same knee. Camarillo really has a chance to have a career year. As well as Gaffney.
 
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Am I the only one who would much rather have Royal than Gaffney?
Nope. He's never broken 800 yards in an 8 year career. He's had ONE year with more than 2 total TDs in his career (and it wasn't last year, it was when Brady was going crazy and threw for 50 TDs - I think I caught 4 TDs for the Pats that year). He's in a better situation now, but eight years is a lot to ignore when putting a guy's floor near 1000 yards (WAY over anything he's ever produced) which many seem to be doing. People seem to think he'll just do what Marshall did, but he ain't Marshall.Royal on the other hand, while he stunk last year, put up very nearly a 1000 yards in 15 games in his rookie season. I know people get stuck in the "what have you done for me lately" mode, but you don't do what Royal did without being a decent receiver.Why give Gaffney eight mulligans, but not give Royal one?
 
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
Hi Raider Nation,Phil doesn't think this is what Joe had in mind when he asked people to be excellent to one another.Cheers,Phil
 
If Camarillo hooked up with a captain checkdown QB, I am all over him. Brett Favre throws down the field. And short passes, he has Harvin and Shiancoe. I'm not buying that this guy is gonna cruise into Minny two weeks before the season, and take over as WR1. Unless someone knows about a Harvin injury that's gonna keep him out of games, I can't see how this happens.

Now, if Favre goes down, I could see Camarillo's value going up, strangely.

 
Gaffney will be on almost every one of my teams this year......Camarillo might be a nice WR5-6.......I could see him getting some looks.......I'm also liking Bess more with Cam out of town.......
Something seems off here...Camarillo will be Favre's WR1A (to Harvin's WR1B) for at least the first half of the season and he's a WR5-6?
You really think Camarillo will be the WR1 in this offense?
He certainly can be. He is a better all around player than Bernard Berrian. There I said it. Harvin can't stay healthy so it seems early on. Camarillo runs very crisp routes. He is deceptivly quick. He is not a deep threat but he can do some damage after the catch. But more importantly he has fantastic hands. Favre will be leaning on him heavily early and often. If Rice does not return (it ain't looking good) we have a super sleeper here. The 2 reasons the Dolphins traded him are1) We have 2 other WR's almost exactly like him (Bess, Hartline)2) We needed a nickel back badly with Will Allen not fully recovered from not only a knee injury (ACL) but he had another procedure to clean out the same knee. Camarillo really has a chance to have a career year. As well as Gaffney.
This. Bernard Berrian simply isnt any good. At all. Aside from Harvin and the tight end, who exactly is Favre going to throw the ball to?
 
Not sure if Gaffney is so much of a sleeper anymore. He should be drafted in the top 100 this year. 75/900/6 seems pretty likely to me.

Camarillo could be a sleeper though. Until he actually returns, I am assuming Sidney Rice is done for the year. Especially after reading this:

Rice said on his Twitter account Tuesday that he had a "great pool workout" with fellow hip-surgery patient Jonny Flynn, the point guard for the Timberwolves. Flynn had his procedure done six weeks ago and is expected to need another two or three months to recover

So Rice caught 83 passes a year ago. The departed Chester Taylor caught 44. Thats 127 catches to go around. I doubt the Vikings offense will be as prolific without Rice, so that number may dwindle somewhat.

Not sure that Gerhart will fill that role as he wasn't much of a receiver at Stanford. ADP will probably get a little bit more in the receiving game, but how many more touches can the guy get? He had 357 combined last year before the playoffs. Shiancoe and Kleinsasser could get a bump up in receptions, as could Harvin. I don't think Berrian will add much to his game though. My guess is Camarillo gets 60/660/4. Pretty active part of the offense and a reasonable bye fill in.
In my only redraft I grabbed him in round 15 pick 173. 12 team league and i would say 8 of the 12 owners are sharks.

So I am not so sure about that.

I think Gaffney can actually get 70 receptions 1100 yards and 7 TD's. A one year wonder for sure...but I think this guy can do it in that offense this year.
I am in a 12 team keep 3, .5PPR and grabbed him at the 114 overall pick. I don't care for the guy actually, but he was the best staring at me at the time and one guy told me, he would have selected him with his next pick. This guy makes "streaky" look consistent, so I am not sure what he will do this year.
 
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
Hi Raider Nation,Phil doesn't think this is what Joe had in mind when he asked people to be excellent to one another.Cheers,Phil
True, but I am pretty confident Joe has never had anyone consistently refer to himself in the third person such as you in the 12+ years he has had the boards (congrats on that, BTW). With that said, do you happen to know Peter Guzinya? Peter feels you two would have a lot in common.
 
Am I the only one who would much rather have Royal than Gaffney?
Nope. He's never broken 800 yards in an 8 year career. He's had ONE year with more than 2 total TDs in his career (and it wasn't last year, it was when Brady was going crazy and threw for 50 TDs - I think I caught 4 TDs for the Pats that year). He's in a better situation now, but eight years is a lot to ignore when putting a guy's floor near 1000 yards (WAY over anything he's ever produced) which many seem to be doing. People seem to think he'll just do what Marshall did, but he ain't Marshall.Royal on the other hand, while he stunk last year, put up very nearly a 1000 yards in 15 games in his rookie season. I know people get stuck in the "what have you done for me lately" mode, but you don't do what Royal did without being a decent receiver.Why give Gaffney eight mulligans, but not give Royal one?
I'm with you. And isnt there an article floating around where the coach states that getting Royal the most receptions on the team is the key to their offense this year? Royal perhaps needed a year to learn the system and get the precision routes down before he can settle into his Wes Welker role.
 
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
Hi Raider Nation,Phil doesn't think this is what Joe had in mind when he asked people to be excellent to one another.Cheers,Phil
True, but I am pretty confident Joe has never had anyone consistently refer to himself in the third person such as you in the 12+ years he has had the boards (congrats on that, BTW). With that said, do you happen to know Peter Guzinya? Peter feels you two would have a lot in common.
Wow Phil.I've been noticing on these boards that you've managed to get quite a few cats bent outta shape over your 3rd person schtick.I find that much funnier than the schtick itself. Keep up the good work buddy. :goodposting:
 
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
Hi Raider Nation,Phil doesn't think this is what Joe had in mind when he asked people to be excellent to one another.Cheers,Phil
Phil, seriously, it was funny for about three posts. Once everyone went through their George-Jimmy jokes from that Seinfeld episode the appeal was gone, permanently. It isn't funny or cute. Drop it.
 
True, but I am pretty confident Joe has never had anyone consistently refer to himself in the third person such as you in the 12+ years he has had the boards (congrats on that, BTW). With that said, do you happen to know Peter Guzinya? Peter feels you two would have a lot in common.
You would be wrong. There is a member named Otis that refers to himself in the third person all the time. He is shallow and very into himself. Phil and Otis may be the same person.
 
Am I the only one who would much rather have Royal than Gaffney?
Nope. He's never broken 800 yards in an 8 year career. He's had ONE year with more than 2 total TDs in his career (and it wasn't last year, it was when Brady was going crazy and threw for 50 TDs - I think I caught 4 TDs for the Pats that year). He's in a better situation now, but eight years is a lot to ignore when putting a guy's floor near 1000 yards (WAY over anything he's ever produced) which many seem to be doing. People seem to think he'll just do what Marshall did, but he ain't Marshall.Royal on the other hand, while he stunk last year, put up very nearly a 1000 yards in 15 games in his rookie season. I know people get stuck in the "what have you done for me lately" mode, but you don't do what Royal did without being a decent receiver.Why give Gaffney eight mulligans, but not give Royal one?
I'm with you. And isnt there an article floating around where the coach states that getting Royal the most receptions on the team is the key to their offense this year? Royal perhaps needed a year to learn the system and get the precision routes down before he can settle into his Wes Welker role.
This is why I drafted both of them. I don't know which one will end up being the main target, but I am pretty sure one of them will be the MAIN target. Meaning, when Kyle Orton picks a receiver, he throws to him about 70% of the time. I could be wrong, but I personally see one of them with 80-90 receptions, and the other with 30 receptions. I doubt we will see both between 50 and 70 receptions. I really believe we will know which one to keep after the first game (I am guessing Gaffney).
 
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Phil is flattered so many people have decided to hijack this thread to talk about Phil but let's get things back on track please.

TIA

Camarillo is an absolute steal in ppr leagues. He's been running the wrong routes but just getting open. While that might now fly with some qb's, that's the exact same mindset Favre has. Phil thinks the two will soon be on the same page.

 
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
+1
Phil's getting tired of this stuff being tolerated (and in effect, encouraged) by the mods. Just sent MoP a PM asking him to take care of this nonsense. He seems to be one of the few staffers who takes this job seriously. These personal attacks are not necessary, nor do they help make the Shark Pool the kind of place it should be. Seriously, grow up and take this nonsense elsewhere.
 
Please guys....put Phil on ignore like I already did.

Let's stick to the topic of the thread and not let another good discussion get flamed and trolled.

 
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Am I the only one who would much rather have Royal than Gaffney?
Nope. He's never broken 800 yards in an 8 year career. He's had ONE year with more than 2 total TDs in his career (and it wasn't last year, it was when Brady was going crazy and threw for 50 TDs - I think I caught 4 TDs for the Pats that year). He's in a better situation now, but eight years is a lot to ignore when putting a guy's floor near 1000 yards (WAY over anything he's ever produced) which many seem to be doing. People seem to think he'll just do what Marshall did, but he ain't Marshall.
:goodposting: Gaffney is overrated right now.
 
Phil McRevis said:
AngryGorilla said:
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
+1
Phil's getting tired of this stuff being tolerated (and in effect, encouraged) by the mods. Just sent MoP a PM asking him to take care of this nonsense. He seems to be one of the few staffers who takes this job seriously. These personal attacks are not necessary, nor do they help make the Shark Pool the kind of place it should be. Seriously, grow up and take this nonsense elsewhere.
Terrible alias.
 
Phil McRevis said:
Phil is flattered so many people have decided to hijack this thread to talk about Phil but let's get things back on track please.TIACamarillo is an absolute steal in ppr leagues. He's been running the wrong routes but just getting open. While that might now fly with some qb's, that's the exact same mindset Favre has. Phil thinks the two will soon be on the same page.
Don't let 'em kill Independent Phil!
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Todem said:
He certainly can be. He is a better all around player than Bernard Berrian. There I said it. Harvin can't stay healthy so it seems early on. Camarillo runs very crisp routes. He is deceptivly quick. He is not a deep threat but he can do some damage after the catch. But more importantly he has fantastic hands. Favre will be leaning on him heavily early and often. If Rice does not return (it ain't looking good) we have a super sleeper here. The 2 reasons the Dolphins traded him are1) We have 2 other WR's almost exactly like him (Bess, Hartline)2) We needed a nickel back badly with Will Allen not fully recovered from not only a knee injury (ACL) but he had another procedure to clean out the same knee. Camarillo really has a chance to have a career year. As well as Gaffney.
This. Bernard Berrian simply isnt any good. At all. Aside from Harvin and the tight end, who exactly is Favre going to throw the ball to?
Hang on there Snoopy, I think those that are beating down Bernard Berrian are really short sighted. He was a top30 WR in Chicago with Rex Grossman chucking the ball literally, then he was top20 in MN his 1st season with Tavaris tossing him the ball. He was injured with a torn hamstring and Favre was a late addition to the Vikes, by the time he got healthy which according to reports was 2-3 weeks before the playoffs, by that time Rice had established a rapport with Favre. But from everything I was reading Berrian is fully healed and ready to make a much bigger impact or return to form via 2007 and 2008. Those dismissing him IMO are being a little obtuse. That said you both know I like your posts but this line of thinking has me baffled. 2006-51/775/6Tds...his 3rd season in the league so he made the year 3 "step up"2007-71/951/5Tds2008-48/964/7TdsWith questionable QB talent chucking the ball he was avg roughly 55-60 rec, 850+yds, and 6Tds...he kind of has a Lee Evans track record and I think we all would like to see Evans on another team with a better QB. Berrian is a long ball guy but when has Favre ever been a total dink and dunk QB. Berrian said he will be stretching the field this season and I expect many weeks with something like 4/70/TD...Camarillo is nothing like Berrian, he is a total possession WR and Harvin has way more skills than he does in the short game. Those thinking they have found gold in Camarillo are going to be very disappointed. Can he catch 5/50 some weeks? Sure but what does that do for your line up every week? My $14.02 worth, thanks
 
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Phil McRevis said:
AngryGorilla said:
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
+1
Phil's getting tired of this stuff being tolerated (and in effect, encouraged) by the mods. Just sent MoP a PM asking him to take care of this nonsense. He seems to be one of the few staffers who takes this job seriously. These personal attacks are not necessary, nor do they help make the Shark Pool the kind of place it should be. Seriously, grow up and take this nonsense elsewhere.
:lmao:
 
drfeelgood said:
Sweet Love said:
True, but I am pretty confident Joe has never had anyone consistently refer to himself in the third person such as you in the 12+ years he has had the boards (congrats on that, BTW). With that said, do you happen to know Peter Guzinya? Peter feels you two would have a lot in common.
You would be wrong. There is a member named Otis that refers to himself in the third person all the time. He is shallow and very into himself. Phil and Otis may be the same person.
Don't think Otis leaves the FFA much, even for spiel.
 
drfeelgood said:
Sweet Love said:
True, but I am pretty confident Joe has never had anyone consistently refer to himself in the third person such as you in the 12+ years he has had the boards (congrats on that, BTW). With that said, do you happen to know Peter Guzinya? Peter feels you two would have a lot in common.
You would be wrong. There is a member named Otis that refers to himself in the third person all the time. He is shallow and very into himself. Phil and Otis may be the same person.
Don't think Otis leaves the FFA much, even for spiel.
He has a topic on the front page of the Shark Pool.
 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Todem said:
He certainly can be. He is a better all around player than Bernard Berrian. There I said it. Harvin can't stay healthy so it seems early on. Camarillo runs very crisp routes. He is deceptivly quick. He is not a deep threat but he can do some damage after the catch. But more importantly he has fantastic hands. Favre will be leaning on him heavily early and often. If Rice does not return (it ain't looking good) we have a super sleeper here. The 2 reasons the Dolphins traded him are

1) We have 2 other WR's almost exactly like him (Bess, Hartline)

2) We needed a nickel back badly with Will Allen not fully recovered from not only a knee injury (ACL) but he had another procedure to clean out the same knee.

Camarillo really has a chance to have a career year. As well as Gaffney.
This. Bernard Berrian simply isnt any good. At all. Aside from Harvin and the tight end, who exactly is Favre going to throw the ball to?
Hang on there Snoopy, I think those that are beating down Bernard Berrian are really short sighted. He was a top30 WR in Chicago with Rex Grossman chucking the ball literally, then he was top20 in MN his 1st season with Tavaris tossing him the ball. He was injured with a torn hamstring and Favre was a late addition to the Vikes, by the time he got healthy which according to reports was 2-3 weeks before the playoffs, by that time Rice had established a rapport with Favre. But from everything I was reading Berrian is fully healed and ready to make a much bigger impact or return to form via 2007 and 2008. Those dismissing him IMO are being a little obtuse. That said you both know I like your posts but this line of thinking has me baffled.

2006-51/775/6Tds...his 3rd season in the league so he made the year 3 "step up"

2007-71/951/5Tds

2008-48/964/7Tds

With questionable QB talent chucking the ball he was avg roughly 55-60 rec, 850+yds, and 6Tds...he kind of has a Lee Evans track record and I think we all would like to see Evans on another team with a better QB. Berrian is a long ball guy but when has Favre ever been a total dink and dunk QB. Berrian said he will be stretching the field this season and I expect many weeks with something like 4/70/TD...Camarillo is nothing like Berrian, he is a total possession WR and Harvin has way more skills than he does in the short game. Those thinking they have found gold in Camarillo are going to be very disappointed. Can he catch 5/50 some weeks? Sure but what does that do for your line up every week?

My $14.02 worth, thanks
I agree with you here, and that's why I projected 60/660/4 earlier in this thread. My projection has him at 5.6 ppg in non-ppr. Similar to your 5/50. However, look at what Steve Smith of Carolina (#18 WR in 2009) gave you per week. 8.5. So that's the midpoint of a WR2. Austin Collie who was WR #30 (midpoint of #3 WRs) gave you 6.4/week.

I don't think Camarillo should be starting for anybody in 2010. But if you are losing less than a point to your competitions' #3 WR while filling in your bye's, its not too bad.

 
Camarillo is nothing more than a bye week filler in non-ppr leagues. But in ppr leagues he's almost going undrafted...that's some major value. Phil really thinks he could crack the top 20. Lots of receptions to go around when Favre is flinging the ball.

 
Phil McRevis said:
AngryGorilla said:
Raider Nation said:
Phil thinks Camarillo could be a top 20 wr in ppr leagues. Assuming Rice does indeed miss the season, Phil isn't sold on Berrian being anything more than a deep threat.
Does Phil think there is any chance of Phil killing himself tonight?
+1
Phil's getting tired of this stuff being tolerated (and in effect, encouraged) by the mods. Just sent MoP a PM asking him to take care of this nonsense. He seems to be one of the few staffers who takes this job seriously. These personal attacks are not necessary, nor do they help make the Shark Pool the kind of place it should be. Seriously, grow up and take this nonsense elsewhere.
Limp is a big fan of Phil. Limp also likes his chicken spicy
 
Camarillo is a top 5 sleeper pick right now. Barring injury, 75 receptions is his floor.

Clifton has filed an official buy order on Camarillo.

 
I've seen Camarillo flying off the WW in almost all my leagues. Weirdly enough it might be a positive for those looking elsewhere. I just found Mike Thomas on my WW in my 14-teamer.

I just don't see this guy getting consistently open. If there was a really big threat on the other side of the field like Rice I could see him sneaking around zone coverage and getting open consistently, but basically I think this is a guy most teams can put their CB2 on with confidence without specific safety help.

The reason I like Hartline a little better than Camarillo is that he does have that big-name threat on the other side of the field in Marshall, and could get ignored. Plus Henne was locked on to him in preseason. I have a feeling though that Miami's offense did not tip their hand at all this preseason, and we will see a whole lot of Marshall week 1.

 

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