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Vince Young (1 Viewer)
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dmac37
Footballguy
Only player I own on every team. Got him for free last year in dynasty and cheap this year in redraft.
Don't understand why everyone is still so down on him, once he started last year he ranked as the the #10 FF QB. This pre-season he has looked even more poised and in control.
Don't understand why everyone is still so down on him, once he started last year he ranked as the the #10 FF QB. This pre-season he has looked even more poised and in control.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I'm going to parrot something from the guy who covers the AFC South for ESPN.
When Collins was going 0-6, Fisher never inserted Vince Young and he maintained all along that it wasn't a QB problem.
But when losing against the Steelers, he inserts Collins. So does this mean, even if he won't admit it, that Fisher thinks this time it is a QB problem?
I caught a bit of NFL Network talking about it last night, this after the above stuff I posted from the pre-game show. Michael Irvin's take was along the lines of, "What I read out of this is that Fisher doesn't think Young can handle the complicated defensive schemes of the Steelers."
When Collins was going 0-6, Fisher never inserted Vince Young and he maintained all along that it wasn't a QB problem.
But when losing against the Steelers, he inserts Collins. So does this mean, even if he won't admit it, that Fisher thinks this time it is a QB problem?
I caught a bit of NFL Network talking about it last night, this after the above stuff I posted from the pre-game show. Michael Irvin's take was along the lines of, "What I read out of this is that Fisher doesn't think Young can handle the complicated defensive schemes of the Steelers."
FavreCo
Footballguy
Did you get super lucky and someone else got the turd?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Stop right there.
This guy is a moron. Or maybe he is talking about Young being one of those guys handing out peanuts at the superbowl. Then he's right. Unfortunately, he's an idiot and getting apid to be one.
GregR_2
Footballguy
Thing about the NFL Network conversations that gets me is, Sapp said:
"When you get to the playoffs it's a different animal. Playoff defenses take away the run and put the game in your QB hands, you ahve to read my defense, decipher where I'm going and put the ball in your playmaker's hands, and VY can't do that."
And that is, I think, mostly of what got Michael Irvin all livid. And then the game is played and Young gets benched and Irvin comes back saying he thinks the message it sends is that Fisher doesn't think he can handle a complicated defenses.
Well, isn't that what Sapp was saying just a few hours ago that got you all pissy, Michael?
I admit, I was a bit surprised how the game went. I thought Young looked decent at the start of the game, but then it all fell apart for him.
I have a hard time thinking favorably of Young because of all the idiot U of Texas fans who still go on about how the Texans should have drafted him and how we'd still be better off with him than with Schaub.
But I do think he's a better QB than his detractors generally think, including my own gut reaction to him. But it was interesting for me to see what Fisher's actions suggest his view of Young is.
"When you get to the playoffs it's a different animal. Playoff defenses take away the run and put the game in your QB hands, you ahve to read my defense, decipher where I'm going and put the ball in your playmaker's hands, and VY can't do that."
And that is, I think, mostly of what got Michael Irvin all livid. And then the game is played and Young gets benched and Irvin comes back saying he thinks the message it sends is that Fisher doesn't think he can handle a complicated defenses.
Well, isn't that what Sapp was saying just a few hours ago that got you all pissy, Michael?
I admit, I was a bit surprised how the game went. I thought Young looked decent at the start of the game, but then it all fell apart for him.
I have a hard time thinking favorably of Young because of all the idiot U of Texas fans who still go on about how the Texans should have drafted him and how we'd still be better off with him than with Schaub.
But I do think he's a better QB than his detractors generally think, including my own gut reaction to him. But it was interesting for me to see what Fisher's actions suggest his view of Young is.
FavreCo
Footballguy
If I was Fisher, I would put in Collins until the owner fired me and then I would go get Fox's job in 2011. Fisher is a great coach, handcuffed by a clueless owner. I remember the Carr days when the Texan faithful moaned about Mario and screamed they should have Vinc. Andre said 'whew' when they didn't take the bum.
FavreCo
Footballguy
13-3 in 2008. Is that total garbage? Just checking because the one guy says Vince Young wins games. Shouldn't that mean that Collins wins games with the same team?Vinc is FF relevant. He will kill the value of a WR if you have one that he throw to.
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LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Nice record, but it didn't save Collins from being garbage last year and it has nothing to do with this year either.
ponchsox
Footballguy
That was 2 years ago. How old is Collins now? Didn't the Titans start 0-6 under Collins last year?
GregR_2
Footballguy
Young is the starter in week 3. Fisher said it right out clearly in his press conference. I'd say the only way if that changes is if Young throws a temper tantrum about being benched. Which I'm not expecting as Young actually seemed to handle it pretty well in his own interview.
FavreCo
Footballguy
While true, it won't save Young from showing that he too is garbage.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Young isn't going to dazzle anybody with his passing, but he can still run and opens up room for CJ to do his thing. Based off record the last 18 games, Young is their guy,
GregR_2
Footballguy
Delete the statement about Collins is total garbage and you would have a good post. Collins outplayed Young against Pittsburgh. This wasn't trying to compare 2008 Collins with 2009 Young. The excuse it was a tough defense makes no sense, they both played the same defense yesterday, both with the game still in doubt. Collins outplayed Young. Collins moved the ball better. His only interception was the receivers fault for making his cut too late (announcer's evaluation), while Young's interceptions came on plays he got baited into throwing where he shouldn't have.So if you're not going to say Vince is garbage too, how can you say the guy who outplayed him is?The rest of your post I agree with for the most part. I think if Young is the starter you have to stick with him. But I also think this is a sign that Fisher doesn't think Young should be the starter. I do think Young is probably lucky he's on the team he is, because the type of style the Titans are playing probably help hide his weaknesses more than other offensive systems (and the lack of Chris Johnson) would.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Aight, I take back the part that Collins is total garbage. But what is Jeff Fisher trying to prove? That he has zero confidence in his starting QB? Is it ok for head coaches to bench his starter, say that the backup had a better chance to win the game, and then name the original starter again next game? If this was the case, Vick would be finishing every game for the Eagles.
FavreCo
Footballguy
There in lies the problem. Why waste time with a bum that can't possibly take you to a superbowl? That is the objective of every NFL team. FF relevance is none also. You won't win a title because of the play of Young. You may if the rest of your team is stacked but he won't win you one. He's consistently a hack in the realm of FF.
GregR_2
Footballguy
This is all kinds of reading between the lines... but I really think this might be a sign that Young is only the starter because Bud Adams is making Fisher start him. Or if that is taking it too far, at least that Fisher doesn't think Young is going to win many games when he's called on to beat them with the pass... which would fit the Steelers game as they were completely shutting down the run.
