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Clifford
Footballguy
shnikies
Footballguy
That's good news but I'd actually rather see him take a week or two off. At least a week and then come back and smoke the Rams.
rizzler
Footballguy
Wait... hold on... I can see it now.... He wont be back at 100% right away!!! BOOK IT!!Any backtracking Nostradamus?
I will copy and paste what I posted about Best twice last week. Pay attention this time fan boy."1. A history of concussions. The last concussion (going head-over-tails in the end zone against Oregon ST) he had he was out cold for what 6 minutes. Not to mention the back injury that came along with that. Getting those two concussions is potentially going to be a serious detriment to the rest of his career. No reason for concern there right?2. He has a muscle going down from his neck to his leg that really bothers him.3. Nerve damange in his neck.4. At Cal he also struggled to stay on the field with a dislocated elbow injury.5. He is a small back 5 ft 8 and 190 lbs doesn't bode well for his chances to have a healthy NFL career.I factor in this type of information when draftingIf a guy is emerging from the college game "all beat up," there's a chance he won't last too long when he's getting beat up by grown men."Now I won't argue this any further in this thread as people are looking for injury info here. If you feel further need to discuss it, just PM me and I will be happy to discuss further.I expect a warning anyways for my last post, so Ill keep this one clean to avoid a total ban."I warned of durability issues" FIrst off son, what durability issues has Best shown you in his careers? List them here __________.Secondly, making a claim that a RB is going to suffer some sort of injury that puts him out a game or few... brilliant!!!! Who ever wouldve thought a workhorse may miss a game? You are otherworldly with your predictions Nostradamus!!!Gimme a break.Nice try, but I posted the exact same thing in the thread that was closed. I warned of durability issues and was laughed out of the thread. Well I get the last laugh. Have a nice day.
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rizzler
Footballguy
I apologize... all those irregular issues for RBs playing a physical game are all definite indicators of a toe issue. You win.I will copy and paste what I posted about Best twice last week. Pay attention this time fan boy."1. A history of concussions. The last concussion (going head-over-tails in the end zone against Oregon ST) he had he was out cold for what 6 minutes. Not to mention the back injury that came along with that. Getting those two concussions is potentially going to be a serious detriment to the rest of his career. No reason for concern there right?2. He has a muscle going down from his neck to his leg that really bothers him.3. Nerve damange in his neck.4. At Cal he also struggled to stay on the field with a dislocated elbow injury.5. He is a small back 5 ft 8 and 190 lbs doesn't bode well for his chances to have a healthy NFL career.I factor in this type of information when draftingIf a guy is emerging from the college game "all beat up," there's a chance he won't last too long when he's getting beat up by grown men."I expect a warning anyways for my last post, so Ill keep this one clean to avoid a total ban."I warned of durability issues" FIrst off son, what durability issues has Best shown you in his careers? List them here __________.Secondly, making a claim that a RB is going to suffer some sort of injury that puts him out a game or few... brilliant!!!! Who ever wouldve thought a workhorse may miss a game? You are otherworldly with your predictions Nostradamus!!!Gimme a break.Nice try, but I posted the exact same thing in the thread that was closed. I warned of durability issues and was laughed out of the thread. Well I get the last laugh. Have a nice day.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
I could sure use him this week with Peterson on bye and Pierre Thomas hurting, but I completely agree with this. Why not give the guy a week rest (especially with it being in GB) and get him ready to lay it on the Rams.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
This thread brings the lulz....
Clifford
Footballguy
Wow you either have no idea how bad you are digging yourself in a hole or you're 15 or younger. None of the above relates to a minor toe injury, none even makes you observant much less savvy, and just shows that you are scared off by injury histories. Congrats, you have actually made yourself look even worse.
rizzler
Footballguy
I believe that is exactly what they'll do.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
When doing reading on Turf Toe, the term "Death Toe" kept popping up. Don't hold your breath for stats if he plays through it.
Touchdown Syndrome
Footballguy
Same here. Let the toe heal instead of it being a lingering injury for weeks.
This isn't about me prediciting the exact injury to his toe. This is in reference to me stating (last week after Best had his big game in week 2)that Best would not finish the season as a top 10 fantasy RB. Remember the thread where all you fan boys were stating "I wouldn't trade Best for Peterson, MJD, Rice, etc.." and how genius you were for reaching for Best in fantasy drafts? I stated that he was no better than a RB 2 with some upside and mentioned you should have concerns about injury. I was then mocked and told I was just crying because I didn't draft him and pretty much laughed out of the thread.I apologize... all those irregular issues for RBs playing a physical game are all definite indicators of a toe issue. You win.I will copy and paste what I posted about Best twice last week. Pay attention this time fan boy."1. A history of concussions. The last concussion (going head-over-tails in the end zone against Oregon ST) he had he was out cold for what 6 minutes. Not to mention the back injury that came along with that. Getting those two concussions is potentially going to be a serious detriment to the rest of his career. No reason for concern there right?2. He has a muscle going down from his neck to his leg that really bothers him.3. Nerve damange in his neck.4. At Cal he also struggled to stay on the field with a dislocated elbow injury.5. He is a small back 5 ft 8 and 190 lbs doesn't bode well for his chances to have a healthy NFL career.I factor in this type of information when draftingIf a guy is emerging from the college game "all beat up," there's a chance he won't last too long when he's getting beat up by grown men."I expect a warning anyways for my last post, so Ill keep this one clean to avoid a total ban."I warned of durability issues" FIrst off son, what durability issues has Best shown you in his careers? List them here __________.Secondly, making a claim that a RB is going to suffer some sort of injury that puts him out a game or few... brilliant!!!! Who ever wouldve thought a workhorse may miss a game? You are otherworldly with your predictions Nostradamus!!!Gimme a break.Nice try, but I posted the exact same thing in the thread that was closed. I warned of durability issues and was laughed out of the thread. Well I get the last laugh. Have a nice day.
Clifford
Footballguy
Why are you here? You made a prediction that hasn't even come true yet and you are looking for what, a cookie? You didn't call anything, no one is impressed with you, and you're not going to get your cookie/medal/pat-on-the-back here. So give it up, you're acting desperate and whiny.This isn't about me prediciting the exact injury to his toe. This is in reference to me stating (last week after Best had his big game in week 2)that Best would not finish the season as a top 10 fantasy RB. Remember the thread where all you fan boys were stating "I wouldn't trade Best for Peterson, MJD, Rice, etc.." and how genius you were for reaching for Best in fantasy drafts? I stated that he was no better than a RB 2 with some upside and mentioned you should have concerns about injury. I was then mocked and told I was just crying because I didn't draft him and pretty much laughed out of the thread.I apologize... all those irregular issues for RBs playing a physical game are all definite indicators of a toe issue. You win.I will copy and paste what I posted about Best twice last week. Pay attention this time fan boy."1. A history of concussions. The last concussion (going head-over-tails in the end zone against Oregon ST) he had he was out cold for what 6 minutes. Not to mention the back injury that came along with that. Getting those two concussions is potentially going to be a serious detriment to the rest of his career. No reason for concern there right?2. He has a muscle going down from his neck to his leg that really bothers him.3. Nerve damange in his neck.4. At Cal he also struggled to stay on the field with a dislocated elbow injury.5. He is a small back 5 ft 8 and 190 lbs doesn't bode well for his chances to have a healthy NFL career.I factor in this type of information when draftingIf a guy is emerging from the college game "all beat up," there's a chance he won't last too long when he's getting beat up by grown men."I expect a warning anyways for my last post, so Ill keep this one clean to avoid a total ban."I warned of durability issues" FIrst off son, what durability issues has Best shown you in his careers? List them here __________.Secondly, making a claim that a RB is going to suffer some sort of injury that puts him out a game or few... brilliant!!!! Who ever wouldve thought a workhorse may miss a game? You are otherworldly with your predictions Nostradamus!!!Gimme a break.Nice try, but I posted the exact same thing in the thread that was closed. I warned of durability issues and was laughed out of the thread. Well I get the last laugh. Have a nice day.
Cliff I thought I was on ignore? You were one of those that laughed at me last week when I made the prediction. You are the one embarrassing yourself. So you overpaid for Best? Don't blame me. I told you to sell high last week. Now have a nice day.
shnikies
Footballguy
The Bears are playing the Packers tonight on MNF and you're arguing with this kid? If you don't reply you can avoid getting this thread closed so people can actually have a discussion as news comes out.
shnikies
Footballguy
Grade 1 * Some microtearing of ligament tissueGrade 2 * Partial tearing of ligament tissue * Mild instability of the jointGrade 3 * Severe or complete tearing of ligament tissue * Significant instability of the joint
Cawbird
Footballguy
AMEN to that! I just don't get why so many of the regular posters have to get into this garbage with the newbiews and those who are just here to waste time p***ing everyone off. Let the person be and let's use this thread for any pertinent updates.I saw earlier that it would make sense to sit Best this week and get him ready for St. Louis in 2 weeks...........but this is another divisional game. I think Detroit needs Best out on the field if they want to have a chance to upset the Pack in Green Bay.
shnikies
Footballguy
Do they really think they have a chance upsetting the Packers? Unless Best says he's 100%, not 100% for having a sprained toe but legit I wouldn't even know I ever had a sprained toe if it weren't for the fact I know I had a sprained toe then I don't see them playing him.Cawbird said:
Clifford
Footballguy
I bet it will be dictated by Stafford which means Best should sit this week. Of course this means the Lions will be 0-3 in the division which sucks for them cause that will essentially rule them out of the playoffs. If Hill starts (very likely) then they probably realize they don't stand much of a chance and sit Best, and both come back week 5.
At least that's what I am hoping
At least that's what I am hoping
FFdork
Footballguy
At 0-3 why would the Lions play Best this week? It's great that it's not that severe, but we've all seen turf toe linger and every injury is different, so why take the chance? Unless it is really minor I just don't see the upside for anyone involved if they risk aggravating that injury.
Make sure he's right and hopefully you get a chance to make some noise down the stretch when Stafford gets back. Stafford + Calvin + Best actually makes the Lions interesting to watch, and not just from a fantasy football perspective.
Make sure he's right and hopefully you get a chance to make some noise down the stretch when Stafford gets back. Stafford + Calvin + Best actually makes the Lions interesting to watch, and not just from a fantasy football perspective.
If you guys want to keep posting here, drop the back and forth between posters now.Keep it focused on NFL Football.TIA.Jmonkeysee said:Cliff I thought I was on ignore? You were one of those that laughed at me last week when I made the prediction. You are the one embarrassing yourself. So you overpaid for Best? Don't blame me. I told you to sell high last week. Now have a nice day.Clifford said:
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
This all seems like extremely good news. Hopefully, he can take the week off, let it heal and feast on the Rams next week.
Wreckincrew
Footballguy
shnikies said:
Thanks, this thread was approaching unreadable, nice to see it brought back. After I read the Grade 2 prognosis a few posts above I was wondering this. To me it sounds like a week or 2 off unless the joint isn't moving around and causing intolerable pain.I have learned they are not going to risk anything with Best and he will not be rushed back. This turf toe issues can linger throughout the season if not given time to heal. Here is hoping they don't rush him back.I am telling! Mommy!
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While surfing to find something about Dmac's Turf toe I came across this. Not pretty.
Dmac Turf Toe
Doc is saying all players should take SIX weeks off to prevent reinjury.
As a former owner of Dmac (who has some of the same running style as Best) I'm not holding out much hope on this.
Dmac Turf Toe
Doc is saying all players should take SIX weeks off to prevent reinjury.
As a former owner of Dmac (who has some of the same running style as Best) I'm not holding out much hope on this.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
The pain will be intolerable for a few weeks, but that is not what you want to focus on. Best will want to play when it is bearable. He will then be extremely limited in production. The Lions have no chance at the playoffs this year and the O-line will get worse. If he sits 3-6 weeks and fully recovers, there is still a chance of recurrence. This is a lingering injury dubbed "Death Toe".
If you do not understand the agonizing pain of this injury, then you will be the Best lover that starts him when he comes back from this injury and you will be losing fantasy matchups. Keep in mind that Kevin Smith may actually play this year. If the Shark Pool is about helping others win fantasy matchups, Best fanatics need to heed some advice that 50% of the Shark Pool were worried about before he injured this toe.
2008 0-16 (a record)
2009 2-14
2010 0-3
Take a minute to think about NFL running backs in the past with this injury. Look at LT in 2008. Put your next best guy in and move on. If he plays good in week 8-12 and reports come out that he is healed up, re-analyze. I am all up for Finley vs Chuck Norris threads though.
If you do not understand the agonizing pain of this injury, then you will be the Best lover that starts him when he comes back from this injury and you will be losing fantasy matchups. Keep in mind that Kevin Smith may actually play this year. If the Shark Pool is about helping others win fantasy matchups, Best fanatics need to heed some advice that 50% of the Shark Pool were worried about before he injured this toe.
2008 0-16 (a record)
2009 2-14
2010 0-3
Take a minute to think about NFL running backs in the past with this injury. Look at LT in 2008. Put your next best guy in and move on. If he plays good in week 8-12 and reports come out that he is healed up, re-analyze. I am all up for Finley vs Chuck Norris threads though.
aardball44
Footballguy
As a Lions fan, I agree with exactly this much of what you wrote.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
3 posts in the whole freaking thread with real information. Unreal.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Thoughts about Morris for the next few weeks? He did decent last year, and seems to catch well out of the backfield. Would it be mainly him, or would we see a combo that includes Smith and Brown?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It's really the best you could expect.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
that was helpful though
I agree the back and forth is annoying, but there is some good info here if you sift through the BS. The Sheffter post about him being a possible play THIS week, tells me that it might not be as bad as I initially thought. But the other posts regarding the potential for long term lingering have me back to being nervous. This is brutal but I think the shark play here might be to hope for a week four sit, a week five explosion and then possibly sell high (can't believe I am writing that)
videoguy505
Footballguy
Welcome to the Shart Pool
Clifford
Footballguy
I don't think he plays this week. As much as Schwartz must want a division win I'm betting he wants something close to a winning season more. He got dealt a really tough hand with Stafford being knocked out of the first game and then that call at the end. Seems like for the Lions its always close but never quite there.
shnikies
Footballguy
I wouldn't start any Lion back at Green Bay next week but the week after against the Rams is different, Morris becomes a VERY good bye week fill-in. That being said it seems like Best will probably only miss at the most one week (speculation), so that diminishes any value Morris may have had. I wouldn't count on Smith doing anything by the way.
Atleast its not Grade 3 but he still should take 2 weeks off. just 1-2 weeks of rest would be the way to handle a grade 2 . Grade 3 would require alot of time off and probally eventually surgery.
Report: Best has Grade 2 turf toe, day to day
Jahvid Best - RB - DET - Sep. 27 - 2:33 p.m. ET
Updating a previous item, Jahvid Best has reportedly been diagnosed with a Grade 2 case of turf toe.
ESPN's Adam Schefter confirms an NFL Network report that Best is "day to day." According to Schefter, Best plans to play at Green Bay in Week 4, "unless pain is unbearable." Though the injury isn't expected to be long term, turf toe has a tendency to linger and can be aggravated. Owners will want to keep close tabs on Best's practice reports before using him as an RB1/2.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Report: Best has Grade 2 turf toe, day to day
Jahvid Best - RB - DET - Sep. 27 - 2:33 p.m. ET
Updating a previous item, Jahvid Best has reportedly been diagnosed with a Grade 2 case of turf toe.
ESPN's Adam Schefter confirms an NFL Network report that Best is "day to day." According to Schefter, Best plans to play at Green Bay in Week 4, "unless pain is unbearable." Though the injury isn't expected to be long term, turf toe has a tendency to linger and can be aggravated. Owners will want to keep close tabs on Best's practice reports before using him as an RB1/2.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
The shark play was to sell high week 2. No chance Best plays this week. Would be foolish to risk it. Then again, its the Lions so who knows.that was helpful thoughI agree the back and forth is annoying, but there is some good info here if you sift through the BS. The Sheffter post about him being a possible play THIS week, tells me that it might not be as bad as I initially thought. But the other posts regarding the potential for long term lingering have me back to being nervous. This is brutal but I think the shark play here might be to hope for a week four sit, a week five explosion and then possibly sell high (can't believe I am writing that)
Kevin Smith (knee) is unlikely to play Sunday against Minnesota, the Detroit Free Press reports.
Spin:
Smith continues to contend that he's ready to go nine months after suffering an ACL injury, but Detroit is in no hurry to get him back on the field with Jahvid Best looking good through two weeks. Backups Maurice Morris and Aaron Brown haven't done much of anything, so Smith will likely inherit the No. 2 role upon his return whenever that might be.
Spin:
Smith continues to contend that he's ready to go nine months after suffering an ACL injury, but Detroit is in no hurry to get him back on the field with Jahvid Best looking good through two weeks. Backups Maurice Morris and Aaron Brown haven't done much of anything, so Smith will likely inherit the No. 2 role upon his return whenever that might be.
Good God I hope you aren't a husband/father. Not much worse than a know-it-all. Best and the Lions coaching/medical staff will determine what the most beneficial course of action will be (all things considered).The shark play was to sell high week 2. No chance Best plays this week. Would be foolish to risk it. Then again, its the Lions so who knows.that was helpful thoughI agree the back and forth is annoying, but there is some good info here if you sift through the BS. The Sheffter post about him being a possible play THIS week, tells me that it might not be as bad as I initially thought. But the other posts regarding the potential for long term lingering have me back to being nervous. This is brutal but I think the shark play here might be to hope for a week four sit, a week five explosion and then possibly sell high (can't believe I am writing that)
Try and stay on topic will you? So I was right on avoiding the Best hype train. I don't know it all. Just because my opinion on Best wasn't in agreement with the popular fan boy "he is the next Barry Sanders" you don't have to cry about it.As for the Lions, they are close to righting the ship with Stafford, Best, and CJ as well as an improving defense. I hope someone smart keeps Best off the field this coming Sunday.Good God I hope you aren't a husband/father. Not much worse than a know-it-all. Best and the Lions coaching/medical staff will determine what the most beneficial course of action will be (all things considered).The shark play was to sell high week 2. No chance Best plays this week. Would be foolish to risk it. Then again, its the Lions so who knows.that was helpful though
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