Uncle Buck
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yes he means yesDoes this mean yes, he is worth the full balance?DoubleG said:shims3 said:
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Koya
Footballguy
I believe I heard somewhere (probably here) that Portis felt his groin "pop" - reminded me of when Fred Taylor hurt his groin, heard a pop, and he was done for the year when getting injured in week one.Taylor was still at the beginning of his prime and would then eventually shed his fragile image - an image cemented by that game one injury. Portis, with all his miles, might very well be done.
fatness
Footballguy
To be more specific, it was one reporter with the Washington Post, Jason Reid, suggesting that. Shanahan also had high words of praise for Portis, but Rotoworld chose not to report that.
This part is entirely Rotoworld's opinion.
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The_Underachiever
Footballguy
we shall see.
fatness
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
FYI, Taylor was "week to week" that year. Wasn't IRd (at least not for the majority of the season). Now, Portis is not a top 10 pick anymore as Taylor was that year, but I would have a hard time seeing Portis come back in any meaningful way this year fantasy wise.In terms of NFL, Portis does not have to come back as a full time back - or get many carries at all. That's over at this point. However, he is a vet leader (a bit crazy, but a leader none the less) and I think Shanny and Co. wouldnt mind having him back, in a limited role to help the younger guys who get the reps.
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Gopher State
Footballguy
Gota love Torain this week, the packer defense is giving up 5.2 yards an attempt to RB's. The packers defense couldn't stop your grandma if she was the starting the RB for the Skins.
Start TORAIN if you gota em.
Start TORAIN if you gota em.
scott72
Footballguy
I smashed my piggy bank with a hammer this week for Torain. I sure hope it was worth it..
im pretty high on torain but this is an outrageous offer.
Not to nitpick, but like others have mentioned, much of the damage was inflicted by Vick (11 for 103) and S.Hill (4 for 53). If you take away those 156 yards by QB's, the GB defense would be giving up less than 80 yards per game.
Dizzy
Footballguy
I would take that trade in a minute. Miles Austin has proven that he is a force that is here to stay... I like Torain, but he has yet to prove that he can stay healthy... and I like Nicks as well, but the weather in the Meadowlands can be be pretty lousy down the stretch with respect to the passing game. Since you have that depth at RB, there is only upside for you in this case.
scott72
Footballguy
The Packers lost two linebackers this week and their starting safety. Start Torain with confidence and enjoy the points. I'm a Packer fan and I'd be shocked if he didn't have 100 yards and at least one score.
tdhartis
Footballguy
I took the trade offer. I'm all aboard the Torain, I think he will do well now that he will be getting the lions share of carries. I don't think 100 yards and a score is out of the question next week. Just figured it would be a wise investment down the road considering his injury history and Shanahanigans.
kingmalaki
Footballguy
Does Torain have more upside than the other backs that are now starters due to injuries and trades (Lynch, Bush, Bell)? There isn't another RB there for Shanny to "make his favorite" next week?
tdhartis
Footballguy
Yes, because he is the bell cow for the next 4-6 weeks at the very least and possibly even when Portis comes back. Those who landed him have essentially gotten a #1 RB, on a seemingly team that is moving towards the run, behind one of the best running coaches in the game. Lynch has upside as he has been to the Pro-bowl and is obviously talented, but he has not impressed ### of late. Averaging something like 4.0 YPC which is not bad mind you but certainly not impressive. I also don't see Forsett being completely forgotten in the Seattle running game. The edge Lynch does have though is that he has no CP coming back, and he does not have a terrible history of injury like Torain. Bell is the bottom of the list to me. He is a one week filler that does not impress anymore.
As for Shanny having his flavor of the week, I don't think there is another RB on the roster that serves to eat up too many carries of Torain's. Keiland Williams was sent to the practice squad in favor of Torain and while he seems high on both backs, Williams seems to be more of a 3rd down pass in the backfield sort of RB.
As for Shanny having his flavor of the week, I don't think there is another RB on the roster that serves to eat up too many carries of Torain's. Keiland Williams was sent to the practice squad in favor of Torain and while he seems high on both backs, Williams seems to be more of a 3rd down pass in the backfield sort of RB.
habsfan
Footballguy
I would agree with the thought process here with respect to the opportunity side but on the talent side, I believe Torain is a 4-6 week plug-in at best. I realize his pro career hasn't exactly been blessed with the best luck but I still have to believe that if the guy truly has lead back/RB2 ability, he wouldn't have as many "stickers on his suitcase" as he does...
Instinctive
Footballguy
Umm...two? Hasn't he only been in Denver and Washington?
habsfan
Footballguy
Two teams yes but when I look at his pro resume, I don't exactly see the prototypical career path of an NFL starter. I was able to get him off waivers and hope he will be what I think he is, a flex/bye week plug-in or serviceable "Plan B" on a fantasy team that has seen some injuries.Is there something controversial about tempering my expectations from a guy who didn't make this football team in Sept?
Everyone's different, but I picked up Ryan Grant off the waiver wire when he was traded to GB just before the season.
Grant - undrafted FA; 2005 on practice squad; 2006 injured in Nightclub, missed season; 2007 cut/traded by Giants to GB before the season; 2007 (2nd half) - 2009 viable starter in NFL and fantasy leagues.
Torain - 5th round pick, 2008 injured in pre-season, did not play until November, suffered a different injury, cut in preseason 2009. Signed with former HC in 2010, now starting.
It happens. Right place, right time, right system.
I don't know that Torain can be the same player Grant has been, but he has a better than average chance I would think.
Grant - undrafted FA; 2005 on practice squad; 2006 injured in Nightclub, missed season; 2007 cut/traded by Giants to GB before the season; 2007 (2nd half) - 2009 viable starter in NFL and fantasy leagues.
Torain - 5th round pick, 2008 injured in pre-season, did not play until November, suffered a different injury, cut in preseason 2009. Signed with former HC in 2010, now starting.
It happens. Right place, right time, right system.I don't know that Torain can be the same player Grant has been, but he has a better than average chance I would think.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
He didn't make the football team because he can't play special teams. They couldn't afford to have 3 RBs who can't play special teams.I am pretty confident the staff knew he was better than Larry Johnson. They kept Larry Johnson on the active roster over him because they paid Larry $10.5 for 3 years. Don't know how much of that guaranteed, but likely enough to give him even more games to prove his worth.Torain's history isn't that bad. He's a good fit for Shanahan's system, and Shanahan knows this.* Drafted by Shanahan* Made starter wk10 as a rookie by Shanahan* ACL injury in his first start* Shanahan fired* Cut by new coaching staff after drafting a RB in Rd1 (Moreno) and signing a veteran FA (Buck)* Picked up Shanahan in new gig after fully recovered from ACL* Veteran cut early in the season to make way for him* Starts wk 5 of essentially his 2nd NFL season.He essentially only played for one team (Shanahan's team). Is Torain the next Arian Foster? Heck no. But at this point he's the best RB on Washington.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Outrageous for who? If im the Torain owner and Im set at RB, I probably take it, but in my non-ppr league, Nicks the #4 WR after 4 weeks - and thats with Eli struggling.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Dont worry about the 2nd sentence, as its pointless outside of trade considerations (and that half of those guys are head and shoulders better than Torain)Portis' situation doesnt bother me at all. Out 6 weeks seems generous for a grade 3 groin tear where the muscle rips off the bone. 6 weeks sounds more like he starts practicing in 6 weeks, not starting. So lets say he actually sees the field after 8 weeks of being out. That puts us at week 12. How many carries is he going to get those first few weeks? 5? 8? Whether he gets put on IR or not, for fantasy purposes in 2010, Portis looks done to me and is dead roster weight. Based on this reasoning, I dropped him yesterday for Brandon Tate.cvnpoka said:
As for Torain, if stays healthy I think he'll be a consistent RB2.
its a snap accept for the torain owner in just about every scenario.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I owned Taylor that year.... Taylor pwn3d me that year....
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I must say - I LIKE that Rotoworld goes out on a limb with their analysis. I like that they say what they think the eventual outcome will be, putting themselves at risk. That's what I want. I'm smart enough to take their opinion on the news with a grain of salt but appreciate hearing that opinion.
glumpy
breeze
That's my take. Since my team is replete with RB2's I didn't try to make a play for him in waivers. Woulda been too late anyway.
eta--his schedule isn't too favorable re: SOS
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swampdog
Footballguy
I think what's missing in all of these threads is who do you have that's better? Our whole team is drafted, so it doesn't matter where he falls # wise, it just matters if he is better than your #2 or heaven forbid your #1. For me I had Foster then Forte, Barber and Harrison (play 2 per week), so picking up Torain moved him all the way up to #2 with the possibility of now choosing week to week. As soon as I heard CP say "I heard it pop" then I was all over Torain. Our league allows us to draft one player on the fourth week and all other 9 passed on him. So let's go Redskins.
Swamp
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groin pains
Footballguy
Will Williams cut into his carries at all? Obviously they could not have been to high on him to cut him loose!
the spanker
Footballguy
It is?
tdhartis
Footballguy
No, Austin for Hakeem Nicks AND Ryan Torain. And I took it, so no turning back now.
kneeunthaface
Footballguy
I traded Torain, Moreno, and Jason Witten for Jahvid Best and some throw-ins. That'll work, right?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
swampdog
Footballguy
No, I think he is better than Harrison. This week I take him over Forte, and next week I take him playing Indy, versus Forte playing against Seattle. We will see how he performs this weekend before I go beyond that. Then on Monday we can see how he stacks up against Forte, because then he will have one solid week under his belt as the clear #1. I think Portis is getting up in age (I had him last year and watched every game) and poor Forte just has no decent blocking and with Cutler one helmet slap away from 3 weeks off, I felt I needed to get some depth.SwampNow I reread this and just cry, yes cry....Swamp
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Torrian owners might want to consider adding Keiland Williams as insurance, just in case Torrian "drops the ball".
drfeelgood
Footballguy
RB is just as thin for the Skins. They needed Williams for depth. Doesn't Simpson play mainly on special teams?
Sleeperz
Footballguy
Lets not forget who is running the show over there. The waterboy could suit up and produce for the Skins this week....
I think Torain has a good chance to produce the rest of the way but you can't forget the torment that is the Shananigans running game. He has made fantasy footballers lose their mind over who is going to be "The Man". Torain has no competition atm so it seems clear. But in my eyes it is never clear until we see a string of games to show what is really going on. Once he has "his man" then it should be smooth sailing. Torain might be it.
Drop/bench Portis
Grab Williams...
Drop Williams...
Grab Torain....
To be continued.......
I think Torain has a good chance to produce the rest of the way but you can't forget the torment that is the Shananigans running game. He has made fantasy footballers lose their mind over who is going to be "The Man". Torain has no competition atm so it seems clear. But in my eyes it is never clear until we see a string of games to show what is really going on. Once he has "his man" then it should be smooth sailing. Torain might be it.
Drop/bench Portis
Grab Williams...
Drop Williams...
Grab Torain....
To be continued.......
DoubleG
Footballguy
I do think for the next week or two, Torain has to be thr primary, simply becuase he's been practicing with the team. After that there are no guarantees, however. If you picked up Torain to fill in bye weeks this week and next - you should be living high off the hog. If you picked him to make your playoff run, it looks decent, but is hardly as promising (unless he absolutely tears it up and (IF?) stays healthy.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I don't think so, GB. Shanny likes Keiland's pass-pro skills on 3rd downs. That's about it.If my fantasy season goes into the crapper because Torain gets hurt and then KEILAND WILLIAMS blows up.... well, so be it.
The Doctor
Footballguy
Shannahan doesnt have much faith in williams
he only gave him 2 carries in the rams loss which were pretty much just practicing two screen passes in the last 30 seconds of the game.
williams was dropped. torain was promoted. williams is only there IN CASE of injury to torain. theyr too thin at RB now
which brings alot of skepticism b/c they got rid of rock, betts, parker and johnson
rumors have been floating around about interest in betts
he only gave him 2 carries in the rams loss which were pretty much just practicing two screen passes in the last 30 seconds of the game.
williams was dropped. torain was promoted. williams is only there IN CASE of injury to torain. theyr too thin at RB now
which brings alot of skepticism b/c they got rid of rock, betts, parker and johnson
rumors have been floating around about interest in betts
It sure is a mighty big "if".I do think for the next week or two, Torain has to be thr primary, simply becuase he's been practicing with the team. After that there are no guarantees, however. If you picked up Torain to fill in bye weeks this week and next - you should be living high off the hog. If you picked him to make your playoff run, it looks decent, but is hardly as promising (unless he absolutely tears it up and (IF?) stays healthy.
Ryan Torain not yet a cure for Redskins' run game
In his first game as the starting running back for the Redskins, second-year running back Ryan Torain did not overwhelm. Nor did he solve the woes that have plagued the Washington running game this season.
Torain finished with 40 yards on 16 carries, an average of 2.5 yards per attempt, and four receptions for 27 yards. The Redskins called his number just three times in the fourth quarter and overtime. But after two years of waiting for another chance to start, Torain spoke positively of the outing.
"It's been a long time waiting, sitting out last year, so basically I just wanted to go out there and show the coaches that they didn't make a mistake," Torain said. "I'm excited to be out there."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsi...first-game.html
What can we expect next week vs Colts? How did Keiland williams look?
In his first game as the starting running back for the Redskins, second-year running back Ryan Torain did not overwhelm. Nor did he solve the woes that have plagued the Washington running game this season.
Torain finished with 40 yards on 16 carries, an average of 2.5 yards per attempt, and four receptions for 27 yards. The Redskins called his number just three times in the fourth quarter and overtime. But after two years of waiting for another chance to start, Torain spoke positively of the outing.
"It's been a long time waiting, sitting out last year, so basically I just wanted to go out there and show the coaches that they didn't make a mistake," Torain said. "I'm excited to be out there."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsi...first-game.html
What can we expect next week vs Colts? How did Keiland williams look?
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