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Marshall is the one who wanted out. He wasn't happy being in Denver in the wake of his friend Darrent Williams murder, and he wasn't happy with the Broncos medical staff pertaining to a (mis)diagnosed hip injury - he felt that they made him play when he shouldn't have.
This coming from a Cards fan...
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12040620
He clearly had issues with both of the medical staff and McDaniels. If Shanahan isn't canned, I seriously doubt Marshall is considered a malcontent. Shanahan may or may not have traded him at some point due to his off the field issues, but I doubt it would have been because he hated Shanahan/the staff.I'll give meno partial credit for Marshall, but claiming the Cutler situation was beyond McDaniel's control is way off the mark.
Than go read my previous post.
Just because Bowlen eventually got fed up and signed off on trading Cutler doesn't mean anything. McDaniels botched that situation as hard as possible before Bowlen released that statement. Cutler was upset because he felt he was lied to multiple times and because McDaniels made it clear he didn't want Cutler on his team. That story does not absolve McDaniels of anything.
real question for this board is this....what does this do for Orton, LLoyd and Moreno's simply fantastic next three games fantasy wise? Here we are licking our chops at these match ups(@Ariz,@Oak, Hous) going into the FF playoffs and now this. So whats the boards feeling now..will Tebow become more of a factor leading to FF death for Orton, Lloyd and likely Moreno or will Orton stay in and and the numbers look just as good for those three players? I just cant see this being a good thing for those players but am hoping its not so bad since i will need them in some leagues.
Because Cutler just woke up one day decided he didn't want to return Bowlen's calls right? And his agent was demanding a trade before he believed his client was lied to about the team's interest in acquiring another QB right? All of this had nothing to do with McDaniels and the whole situation was completely out of his control right?
Exactly. But hey, McD did turn one of those 1st round picks he got for Cutler into a Gronkowski brother. So what if it's likely the worse one.
your post is very misleading. Even though I was following this from afar, I had Cutler in a dynasty league and was following it closely. When this came (Bowlen having had enough) was well after McD had burned his bridge with Cutler. I know they had at least one if not two meetings together and it was after the last meeting that Cutler (who did not handle the situation well at all) basically said he wanted out and would never play for McD. That is when Bowlen stepped in with those comments. The damage had long been done by McD.And all you that excuse McD because they have this great offense. They already had a very good offense and a very bad defense. As others have shown, if the picks he acquired had been used more on defense his decisions might have been more defensible. Instead lets break what is not broken and not fix what is broken.
This is more the owners fault imo...they had a solid offense already why bring in a offensively minded coach? Should have brought in a defensive guy instead.
I don't think there's a chance in hell that he'll be a head coach again, unless some team can't figure out how to destroy itself.
I'll throw out a few possibilitesRay Handley - GiantsRich Kotite - JetsBarry Switzer - CowboysBud Carson - BrownsMatt Millan - LionsLes Steckel - VikingsJoe Bugel - RaidersI'm sure there's some others.
Barry Switzer was a substitute teacher. What did he do to hurt the Cowboys?
If Bowlen wanted to get rid of Shanny and bring in a young offensive minded coach. Fine. But FIRST he should have hired a solid GM or personnel guy and directed him to upgrade the talent on the defensive side of the ball.But to hire a young first time HC and give him so much say in personnel was just a huge mistake and I'm not sure what Bowlen was thinking.
Because he couldnt keep his cheating Patriot ways under wraps.Even he, as horrendous as he was, would have stuck around longer except for that. Its the worst of the worst.
Is this schtick? He won a national championship at the University of Miami and turned the program into "The U"...he then went on to win TWO Super Bowls in Dallas. His time in Miami, which you suggest was a flame out, included three playoff appearances in four seasons. Most NFL coaches would KILL to make the playoffs in three of four years as the pinnacle of their career, and that's what you characterize as his flame out.Wow.Gruden is like jimmy Johnson: Not a good coach but one who was in the right place at the right time and won it all. Gruden isn't going to make the mistake that Johnson did by actually thinking he's a good coach and flame out a 2nd time.I guess this is the name that's going to be thrown out there first for every single HC job...
Ummm.....back to back Super Bowl titles and winning over 61% of your games tends to by you a little longer leash than winning 39% of your games, botching draft picks, and embarrassing the franchise with a cheating scandal. (And I'm not the biggest Shanny fan but spare me the salary cap thing. Completely different scenario)
Whats misleading about my post? That was not my comments, it was just an article.Mcdaniels tried to trade for Cassel. That's what he did and everyone knows it and that's all he did. The Steelers tried to trade Rothlisberger this off season. Would that have made Tomlin a poor HC? Of course not. The difference is Rothlisberger did not his feathers ruffled like Cutler did and was professional in his dealings with the front office and coaching staff.
He never raped anyone. You mean dumb-### drunkard Roethlisberger... sure.*and the truth is... the Steelers were sold on Sam Bradford. Thats how the trade idea discussion even came about.
The misleading part is the fact that McD lied directly to Cutler about the whole trade scenario - I don't think anyone disputes that now (although many did at the time). That is what started this whole squabble. Then they had a second face to face meeting in which it blew up. I really do believe Bowlen had more to do with this after the McD/Cutler blow up, because when the firing went down Cutler said some things that are not the best to say about your boss if I recall. I think he was at the Pro Bowl when the firing occurred, but my memory could be off.
MCdaniels called the offensive plays.
Not sure how you got that.........but Alphonso Smith had nothing to do with that deal.
More great arguments showing the rot in Denver goes much deeper (and higher) than Broncos fans should be comfortable with.Bowlen doesn't come off as a meddling owner, but its clear he had a big role in the following:If Bowlen wanted to get rid of Shanny and bring in a young offensive minded coach. Fine. But FIRST he should have hired a solid GM or personnel guy and directed him to upgrade the talent on the defensive side of the ball.
But to hire a young first time HC and give him so much say in personnel was just a huge mistake and I'm not sure what Bowlen was thinking.
It's called cutting your losses and starting over with someone new. Why continue to let that clown drag the team down even further?
Ya think? King cheater isn't going let Cheater Jr getting caught harm the relationship? Joshy boy need to go back to Billy boy with his tail between his legs, and they can both learn how to cheat better. Maybe they can both learn to cheat without getting caught. As long as they do it in New England, and out of my neck of the woods, I will be happy. Meanwhile, my favorite team will be rebuilding, but we will rise again and bring pride back to this once proud franchise.
Gruden took the Raiders from horrible to a 12-4 team that was a Brady fumble away from the Super Bowl. He then went to Tampa and won a Super Bowl. He has 5 Divisional Titles. He didn't really flame out so much as the team wanted to go a new direction. They finished 18-14 over the last 2 years with a playoff appearance.Is this schtick? He won a national championship at the University of Miami and turned the program into "The U"...he then went on to win TWO Super Bowls in Dallas. His time in Miami, which you suggest was a flame out, included three playoff appearances in four seasons. Most NFL coaches would KILL to make the playoffs in three of four years as the pinnacle of their career, and that's what you characterize as his flame out.Wow.Gruden is like jimmy Johnson: Not a good coach but one who was in the right place at the right time and won it all. Gruden isn't going to make the mistake that Johnson did by actually thinking he's a good coach and flame out a 2nd time.
This was how I saw it from the start. He may be a good X and Os guy, but being a HC requires so much more. In the end, he may have failed for lack of maturity. I wouldn't be surprised to see this guy get another chance in 10 years and do better. He wasn't ready at this time--that's for sure.
That was absolutely not the sole reason. If it was he would have been fired last week when the news came out.
He certainly didn't do anything to help. He inheirited the number 2 offense and number 2 defense. He left with a 6-10 record and a ranking of 22nd in offense and 13th in defense despite having guys like Aikman, Emmitt, Irvin, Herschel Walker, Daryl Johnston, Deion Sanders, Darren Woodson, etc.It was so bad that Cowboy fans were estatic when Chan Gailey took over in 1998.
Agreed. This might turn into pretextual termination. I don't believe the reason he is getting canned has anything to do with a video camera, but it could make for a convenient basis for escaping the employment relationship on the cheap.The media outlets will be flooded with Broncos propaganda saying this video business was why Josh was fired. I don't believe that for a minute. Stupid journalists and reporters will buy that silliness hook, line and sinker, too.
Oh please. Every coach in the world wanted to get their hands on teams led by Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson. Easiest gigs in the world.Raiders AFC championship.....then wins Super Bowl with the Bucs....and he isn't a good coach? Interesting...Gruden is like jimmy Johnson: Not a good coach but one who was in the right place at the right time and won it all. Gruden isn't going to make the mistake that Johnson did by actually thinking he's a good coach and flame out a 2nd time.
He also won a Super Bowl his 2nd year, won double digit games and went to the playoffs every year except the last. And by his last year, Dallas was getting older and injured by the time the wheels came off. Not that I want to defend Switzer or the Cowboys but he's not even in the same conversation as McD in terms of how fast a coach can drive a team into the ground.
