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***Official 2011 Bengals off/pre-season/season/postseason! Thread (1 Viewer)
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New O.C. is the biggest thing. Maybe they can sucker Josh McDaniels into signing on. Marvin gets another two years so let's see what him and Carson do with an NFL caliber playcaller.This move probably means Carson is staying. Jake Locker or A.J. Green? Green with Simpson and Shipley/Caldwell/Gresham is a nice core to build around. Maybe pick up a solid RB to team up with Scott and hope Carson raises his play to average instead of horrible.8-8, Here we come!Agreed.Let's just hope they cross the low bar that is "please fire Brat." -QGSo sick of this. Nothing has changed here. That might be the most painful press conference in the eight plus years Marvin has been in Cincinnati.
any read on bernard? was watching some of his runs on nfl rewind, it dawned on me he runs similar to jamaal charles. upright but shifty and agile, explosive and smooth.
Schedule not looking too bad either. Bengals get the horrid NFC West along with the AFC South, Buff and Denver.
http://www.bengals.com/schedule/schedule-rotation.html
http://www.bengals.com/schedule/schedule-rotation.html
Jene Bramel
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Emails and tweets to Lance McAllister (via McAllister's blog):"Shut up!" explained the Captain and First Mate of the Titanic. "The deck chairs have all been rearranged, so you can go back to your cabins, order your tickets for next year's voyage, and stop bothering us with those annoying questions about iceburgs!"Only thing I got out o that press conference is that Marvin re-signed and I'm not even sure I got that out of it.Agreed.Let's just hope they cross the low bar that is "please fire Brat." -QGSo sick of this. Nothing has changed here. That might be the most painful press conference in the eight plus years Marvin has been in Cincinnati.
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QuizGuy66
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No read except for the general enthusiasm for young players that they expressed in the news conference. Nothing really said about RB.-QG
QuizGuy66
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I certainly don't see Locker at #4. I also don't see Green - I mean do you draft him as a #4 receiver? If not who does that role go to? They gave a big vote of confidence to the DEs. If I had to guess - we'll go DT.-QGNew O.C. is the biggest thing. Maybe they can sucker Josh McDaniels into signing on. Marvin gets another two years so let's see what him and Carson do with an NFL caliber playcaller.This move probably means Carson is staying. Jake Locker or A.J. Green? Green with Simpson and Shipley/Caldwell/Gresham is a nice core to build around. Maybe pick up a solid RB to team up with Scott and hope Carson raises his play to average instead of horrible.8-8, Here we come!Agreed.Let's just hope they cross the low bar that is "please fire Brat." -QG
QuizGuy66
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BalcoBomber
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Marriage of convenience!
notdarkyet
Footballguy
On Mo's show on the way home they kept playing a clip of Mikey that said something to the effect of "We did some things well, moved the ball well, got some sacks. That gets overshadowed by people talking about our record."
Yea, that pesky record gets in the way of how awesome this team really is. If only the NFL didn't go by wins and losses. They should definitely go to an olympic ice skating style ratings system.
So basically what I got was that Marvin really makes most of the calls anyway, they weren't far off on anything that really needed to get done, and they waited until now to get teh contract laid out for pretty much no reason. Ughh.
Please Fire Brat.
Yea, that pesky record gets in the way of how awesome this team really is. If only the NFL didn't go by wins and losses. They should definitely go to an olympic ice skating style ratings system.
So basically what I got was that Marvin really makes most of the calls anyway, they weren't far off on anything that really needed to get done, and they waited until now to get teh contract laid out for pretty much no reason. Ughh.
Please Fire Brat.
Brown LOVES drafting QB's early. He reached for Smith and Klingler. Side note, the Bengals were offered the same deal for Ricky Williams that year. All of the Saints picks that year AND a first and third the next. Brown turned it down for Akili Smith. NEVER underestimate his love of qb's.Locker, Luck, and Newton are the consensus top 3. Green comes in and starts right away alongside Simpson, with Shipley in slot. Caldwell is decent possession receiver but not a playmaker like Green.Fairley or Bowers would be the defensive picks i suppose.I certainly don't see Locker at #4. I also don't see Green - I mean do you draft him as a #4 receiver? If not who does that role go to? They gave a big vote of confidence to the DEs. If I had to guess - we'll go DT.-QGNew O.C. is the biggest thing. Maybe they can sucker Josh McDaniels into signing on. Marvin gets another two years so let's see what him and Carson do with an NFL caliber playcaller.This move probably means Carson is staying. Jake Locker or A.J. Green? Green with Simpson and Shipley/Caldwell/Gresham is a nice core to build around. Maybe pick up a solid RB to team up with Scott and hope Carson raises his play to average instead of horrible.8-8, Here we come!Agreed.Let's just hope they cross the low bar that is "please fire Brat." -QG
notdarkyet
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"We're in the top ten in games played by players we drafted." - Mike Brown
That's our leader.
That's our leader.
QuizGuy66
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-QG
QuizGuy66
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I don't see them cutting Palmer. I really don't. And if they don't, there's no way that even Mikey would spend $18m a year or whatever at that position. I can see a scenario where a former #1 overall pick comes this way though possibly as a back-up. (See SF QB disaster for who I mean.)I just don't see them bumping Caldwell down to #4 again. He was solid these last 3 games. Demoting him after showing that much promise would be a cruel joke really. "Congrats for all of your hard work Andre - while you looked great out there, made a lot of catches in the last 3 games, look good as a run blocker and have done everything we've asked of you, you will still be #4." And while the cynic in me says anything's possible in Mikey-world, I don't think that's realistic. Our track record is good with middle round receivers - we find these guys we don't need to draft them at #4.-QGBrown LOVES drafting QB's early. He reached for Smith and Klingler. Side note, the Bengals were offered the same deal for Ricky Williams that year. All of the Saints picks that year AND a first and third the next. Brown turned it down for Akili Smith. NEVER underestimate his love of qb's.Locker, Luck, and Newton are the consensus top 3. Green comes in and starts right away alongside Simpson, with Shipley in slot. Caldwell is decent possession receiver but not a playmaker like Green.Fairley or Bowers would be the defensive picks i suppose.I certainly don't see Locker at #4. I also don't see Green - I mean do you draft him as a #4 receiver? If not who does that role go to? They gave a big vote of confidence to the DEs. If I had to guess - we'll go DT.-QGNew O.C. is the biggest thing. Maybe they can sucker Josh McDaniels into signing on. Marvin gets another two years so let's see what him and Carson do with an NFL caliber playcaller.This move probably means Carson is staying. Jake Locker or A.J. Green? Green with Simpson and Shipley/Caldwell/Gresham is a nice core to build around. Maybe pick up a solid RB to team up with Scott and hope Carson raises his play to average instead of horrible.8-8, Here we come!Agreed.Let's just hope they cross the low bar that is "please fire Brat." -QGSo sick of this. Nothing has changed here. That might be the most painful press conference in the eight plus years Marvin has been in Cincinnati.
Rushmore
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From the tone of the presser, they seem to think the team is able to compete now, so I would assume that means moving forward with Palmer and taking a player who could have a more immediate impact. I could see Fairley, Bowers, or Green with the first pick. As a Bengals' fan, nothing would suprise me, but at this point (early offseason/pre-combine) I could be on board with any of these three. My early preference is in the order I listed them.
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notdarkyet
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Officially my favorite Bengal. That is awesome.Rushmore said:
Some fun Mikey qutoes from the presser, stolen from Lance's Blog
My personal favorite:End of season/changes: "We were doing some good things. It's overshadowed because of the record, but we see it and we know it. We know what it means for the future."
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QuizGuy66
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Benson is approaching Whitworth status with that quote.
I do think (hope/pray) that they fire Brat. I think they just didn't want to do it via press conference - which would be pretty cruel and unprofessional. Love or hate him, he's a 10-year employee and that protocol should be respected.
Reading between the lines you can see this. Marvin's talking about "changes in game preparations." He frequently talked about how they were "simplifying" things in the offense as the season went on. This all really points to Brat.
-QG
I do think (hope/pray) that they fire Brat. I think they just didn't want to do it via press conference - which would be pretty cruel and unprofessional. Love or hate him, he's a 10-year employee and that protocol should be respected.
Reading between the lines you can see this. Marvin's talking about "changes in game preparations." He frequently talked about how they were "simplifying" things in the offense as the season went on. This all really points to Brat.
-QG
QuizGuy66
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babydemon90
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I don't get understaffing the scouting department... Are scouts that expensive? How much does a scout make?
QuizGuy66
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I think it's more a function of being stubborn actually. Strictly speaking they could take the $ they would save by cutting Carson and plow it all into scouting. I think Mikey Boy honestly believes that the guys who will be coaching the players get a larger say when they are deeply involved in the scouting. It's even possible that this is technically correct (I don't think so, but it is possible - to paraphrase Parcells it's basically letting the cook buy the groceries.) I think that what's under-appreciated is that things are hurt on the back-end - that the coaching suffers because these guys are busy scouting. -QG
QuizGuy66
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The conflicts of interest/bias are part of why it's bad to have the coaches be the lion's share of the scouting staff. Mikey doesn't see that, though.-QG
QuizGuy66
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Bengals Playoff Special Cancelled
Hat tip to www.cincyjungle.com on this one.
Wonder what will replace it - "The Memorable Speeches of Dan Quayle"? Perhaps a history of scotch tape?
-QG
Hat tip to www.cincyjungle.com on this one.
Wonder what will replace it - "The Memorable Speeches of Dan Quayle"? Perhaps a history of scotch tape?
-QG
notdarkyet
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Im starting to get nervous since there has been no mention of Brat's being fired yet.
QuizGuy66
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Ugh, get ready for an 8-year Brat extension based on this...All the justification Mikey Boy needs
-QG
QuizGuy66
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Question (serious one) about the Senior Bowl. Has a team that had its coaches at the Senior Bowl ever replaced any of them (I dunno, say, an offensive coordinator) before the game took place? I know that teams frequently take a pass on the Senior Bowl when they are busy firing everyone and they don't have the replacements in place (see Carolina and Denver). My deep seated fear is that by taking on the Senior Bowl duties, the Bengals have basically told us all we need to know about next year's coaching staff already 
-QG
-QG
QuizGuy66
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Yep, I've seen thatLewis took Childress to Jeff Ruby's last night.
Poll coming for benefit of the rest of the Shark Pool 
-QG
knowledge dropper
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Mort and Scheffter reported today that Palmer is going to request a trade to a west coast team with the threat of retirement if the Bengals do not meet his demand.
Uwe Blab
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At this point, I can't blame him. Not after that disasterous press-conference of Mike and Marvin.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Does retirement threaten the cap going forward (assuming a new CBA with a cap commences?)Is there really a team out there that is willing to pay him THAT contract?!?Many things can be said about Mike Brown, but one thing that cannot be said is that he hasn't been anything but good to Carson Palmer. Guess we can change all our mock drafts to Cam Newton now...I actually hope they make him retire. I mean what kind of pick can we expect to get for him at this point? A 7th-rounder? Enjoy retirement I say.On a side note, guess this is all the confirmation we need that Brat is back, eh?On a 2nd side note, is it even possible to trade players right now given the situation with the CBA? Pretty sure teams can't sign anybody right now (excepting the 4 still playing).-QG
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knowledge dropper
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This type of move worked well for Elvis Grbac. I wonder if they have the same agent?
notdarkyet
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He could do like Favre... "Retire" then unretire right after camp, essentially forcing the Bengals to pay a elite qb worthy salary to be a backup, or cut him.
His trade value is crap at this point. Mikey won't accept his actual market value, so he will force the retirement card.
Do you have the Fever? The LeFevour Fever!?!?!
His trade value is crap at this point. Mikey won't accept his actual market value, so he will force the retirement card.
Do you have the Fever? The LeFevour Fever!?!?!
pantherclub
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If I am the Panthers I offer our 3rd.
QuizGuy66
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Comet, have pantherclub call your people and we'll file the paperwork.-QG
Drink G2
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Agreed on the Brat part...first thing I thought was oh god...they told Palmer they are keeping Brat and that is what pushed him over the edge.
Also, someone asked...players Can't be traded right now (not sure if it's possible when the CBA expires or if they must wait till the new CBA)
I'm okay with him leaving, I think he will find success else where.
Also, someone asked...players Can't be traded right now (not sure if it's possible when the CBA expires or if they must wait till the new CBA)
I'm okay with him leaving, I think he will find success else where.
r0llin_game
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I'd say Campbell is probably a bad comparison since he didn't really do anything for the Skins. Carson has at least led the Bengals to the playoffs twice. Remember, Philly got a high 2nd for an aging McNabb, even though McNabb had one year left on his contract.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Hopefully, Palmer's point is he wants some changes (Brat fired). Mike Brown may listen and finally comply with that demand. Palmer is bluffing. No matter where he goes he takes a pay cut and if he retires he better have enough money to help out his brother. He is not going to be a #2 in the NFL or UFL.
Since the staff is coaching Jake Locker at the Senior Bowl, I have a bad feeling Mike Brown uses the #4 pick on him
Since the staff is coaching Jake Locker at the Senior Bowl, I have a bad feeling Mike Brown uses the #4 pick on him
