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Who are you looking at as the stars of next season? 2011 Version (1 Viewer)

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By future stars, we mean guys who will breakout big ala 2010 Nicks, Lloyd, Foster.

Stealing this idea from grantsa4. The 2010 thread link is shown below. The pool as a whole did very poorly on this last year. BSS claims it was an odd fantasy year. King of the Jungle hints that accurate future predictions are not really possible.

Last year the big hits in the thread were Nicks, McCoy, Steve Johnson, and Maclin. But for each one of these there were numerous Wells, Kolb, Tate, Greene, Massaquoi, Brown, Stewart, Choice, Doucet, Carlson, Edelman, Kelly, Davis, Forsett, etc. tossed out there. Surely there has to be a reason why Nicks, McCoy, Johnson, and Maclin were successfully identified as breakout candidates and all of the other names busted.

Maybe as you post names this year, post your reasoning behind the picks.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...501210&st=0

Here's Team Lagacy's contribution for this year posted in the other thread.

Team Legacy said:
3 sure fire stone cold locks for a breakout - Emmanuel Sanders, Felix Jones and Danario Alexander.
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Hopefully he'll come back and provide more details. I disagree with his Sanders selection.

Sanders - Unless Ward retires, I don't see how he'll get enough looks to be a star. Mendy, Wallace, Miller are mouths that will also be feed.

 
BassNBrew said:
By future stars, we mean guys who will breakout big ala 2010 Nicks, Lloyd, Foster.

Stealing this idea from grantsa4. The 2010 thread link is shown below. The pool as a whole did very poorly on this last year. BSS claims it was an odd fantasy year. King of the Jungle hints that accurate future predictions are not really possible.

Last year the big hits in the thread were Nicks, McCoy, Steve Johnson, and Maclin. But for each one of these there were numerous Wells, Kolb, Tate, Greene, Massaquoi, Brown, Stewart, Choice, Doucet, Carlson, Edelman, Kelly, Davis, Forsett, etc. tossed out there. Surely there has to be a reason why Nicks, McCoy, Johnson, and Maclin were successfully identified as breakout candidates and all of the other names busted.

Maybe as you post names this year, post your reasoning behind the picks.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...501210&st=0

Here's Team Lagacy's contribution for this year posted in the other thread.

Team Legacy said:
3 sure fire stone cold locks for a breakout - Emmanuel Sanders, Felix Jones and Danario Alexander.
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Hopefully he'll come back and provide more details. I disagree with his Sanders selection.

Sanders - Unless Ward retires, I don't see how he'll get enough looks to be a star. Mendy, Wallace, Miller are mouths that will also be feed.
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Jahvid Best: Maybe he's not that good, or maybe turf-toe really held him back in his rookie season. I'm going with the latter.Golden Tate: Had a "fall between the cracks" rookie season, which is not to unusual for a rookie WR. Still, no other WR truly asserted himself on the Seahawks' roster. Believe he's got the skills to excel, but he's spent 2010 wrestling the learning curve. QB situation may hold him back in 2011 if Hasselbeck is not throwing him the ball.

Donnie Avery: Suppose I had a crystal ball and told you he was 100% healthy entering 2011 - where would you rank this guy? ... I don't have a crystal ball.

Mike Goodson: mild sleeper. IF DeAngelo departs, will Stewart be around to handle 300+ carries. Mike Goodson proved he has all the required attributes to succeed in the NFL. Cautiously optimistic he can weigh in at 175 carries and 50 receptions in 2011 (1200 total yards). Throw in 8 TDs, which is a tad generous, and you had mid-level RB#2, if only in PPR.

 
I like the Danario Alexander pick. He should have plenty of opportunity once he's fully healthy... IF...

Also think next year could be Chris Wells' coming out party. If he can't do it next season, he's probably a bust. I do believe in his talent, though.

And Dustin Keller will be a top 5 TE if one of Edwards or Holmes leaves.

 
todisco1 said:
I like the Danario Alexander pick. He should have plenty of opportunity once he's fully healthy... IF...Also think next year could be Chris Wells' coming out party. If he can't do it next season, he's probably a bust. I do believe in his talent, though.And Dustin Keller will be a top 5 TE if one of Edwards or Holmes leaves.
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Wells - Please explain why his talent hasn't previal to date? Also, is the situation in Arizona good enough for him to become a star?Keller - I like the way you hedged this pick. Rather than just tossing out his name, you gave a pretty easy key to look for.
 
todisco1 said:
I like the Danario Alexander pick. He should have plenty of opportunity once he's fully healthy... IF...Also think next year could be Chris Wells' coming out party. If he can't do it next season, he's probably a bust. I do believe in his talent, though.And Dustin Keller will be a top 5 TE if one of Edwards or Holmes leaves.
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Now reminded, I would throw Shonn Greene into the ring of possible 2011 stars. All the ingredients are in place.I like Dustin Keller, and expect him to have an okay 2011 season, but I just don't see him separating himself from the tightly packed 6-15 TE rankings. While his rookie combine athleticism was through the roof, on the field he looks like a converted linebacker. ... opinion based upon limited observation.
 
Jacoby Ford-he's shown just enough to know he can do it. I think with Jackson at coach and Campbell the full time starter, Ford will emerge as the Mike Wallace of the Raiders.

Jason Hill-assuming MSW leaves, Hill takes over and makes the best of it.

Matt Stafford-Gotta happen one of these years...

 
QB - Josh Freeman makes the jump into the every week starter tier.

RB - I look for a big season from James Starks. He's got the skillset and Ryan Grant is slated to make like 9m this season. If Grant doesn't restructure, he's gone.

WR - Sidney Rice is going to storm back. Even adequacy at the QB position makes him a lock for the top 20.

TE - Brandon Pettigrew has got the skills to be the next Witten.

 
WR - sanders (assuming ward retires), Danario Alexander, Jerome Simpson, Demaryious Thomas, Stephen Williams

 
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2011 PPR breakout team

QB - Bradford

RB - Best

RB - Moreno

WR - D Alexander

WR - James Jones

WR - M Thomas

TE - J Graham

 
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QB - Josh Freeman makes the jump into the every week starter tier. RB - I look for a big season from James Starks. He's got the skillset and Ryan Grant is slated to make like 9m this season. If Grant doesn't restructure, he's gone. WR - Sidney Rice is going to storm back. Even adequacy at the QB position makes him a lock for the top 20.TE - Brandon Pettigrew has got the skills to be the next Witten.
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Where are you getting this $9 mil number for Grant?ONly thing I can find is a $3.5 mil base salary and 1.75 mil roster bonus. Just over 5 mil...nowhere close to 9.
 
Sabertooth said:
QB - Josh Freeman makes the jump into the every week starter tier. RB - I look for a big season from James Starks. He's got the skillset and Ryan Grant is slated to make like 9m this season. If Grant doesn't restructure, he's gone. WR - Sidney Rice is going to storm back. Even adequacy at the QB position makes him a lock for the top 20.TE - Brandon Pettigrew has got the skills to be the next Witten.
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Freeman - Are has accomplished that.Starks - Is he really that much better than Grant that we'll see him become a star?Pettigrew - On board with this.
 
BassNBrew said:
Here's Team Lagacy's contribution for this year posted in the other thread.

Team Legacy said:
3 sure fire stone cold locks for a breakout - Emmanuel Sanders, Felix Jones and Danario Alexander.
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Hopefully he'll come back and provide more details. I disagree with his Sanders selection.Sanders - Unless Ward retires, I don't see how he'll get enough looks to be a star. Mendy, Wallace, Miller are mouths that will also be feed.
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Sanders - I had been reading headlines about Ward's possible retirement with a 3rd Superbowl ring. Today he announces he won't retire, however, at 35 years of age, his minutes must reduce and a breakout seems certain when I look at that team. Roth was on a 4200 yard pace this season, Wallace is their deep threat, Sanders is the chain mover with blistering speed, excellent hands and playmaking ability. Felix - The coaching staff loves him and rumors are that Barber will be released. Once Garrett took the job, the ground game improved and with Romo back under center, this should be the year things finally settle down for Felix. BTW, I'm talking PPR here. His 48 catches were nice to see.Danario - Well, the coaching staff and the QB power this selection. We all love his talent, the GM says he'll be 100 X better this year, but the question is, can he put a healthy year on the books for us all to see? I see his name mentioned as a breakout by many, so this may be too much of a "trendy" pick this offseason, but he could develop into that deep threat that will make Bradford a household name. The drawback might be too many wideouts on this roster for any to truly break out. I love the Keller and Pettigrew picks too, but Pettigrew was already top 7 in 1.5 PPR. 71 catches in 2010, what a bust out!
 
One guy who has alot of factors against him is Demaryius Thomas. First there's Brandon Lloyd, the top target on the team. Then there's Eddie Royal, who deserves MORE targets than he received last year. There's John Fox, who I still can't figure out how he landed this gig. There's the Tebow factor and then there's his health. That's a laundry list of items, but he has breakout potential in a big way.

 
Jimmy Graham - Has to improve his run blocking if he wants to be a Top 5 Tight End, but watch and see, if healthy, in that offense, he has 10 TD potential. In 2011, the tight end position will be VERY exciting.

 
BassNBrew said:
todisco1 said:
I like the Danario Alexander pick. He should have plenty of opportunity once he's fully healthy... IF...Also think next year could be Chris Wells' coming out party. If he can't do it next season, he's probably a bust. I do believe in his talent, though.And Dustin Keller will be a top 5 TE if one of Edwards or Holmes leaves.
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Wells - Please explain why his talent hasn't previal to date? Also, is the situation in Arizona good enough for him to become a star?Keller - I like the way you hedged this pick. Rather than just tossing out his name, you gave a pretty easy key to look for.
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I think Wells situation is a lot like McFaddens. Injury and lack of playing timed hampered DMac in his first two years. The talent was always there, he just was never given a chance to show what he could do. I think Beanie has the talent to be a really good rb in the NFL if he can get enough carries on a decent team. Therein lies the rub. :unsure:
 
BassNBrew said:
By future stars, we mean guys who will breakout big ala 2010 Nicks, Lloyd, Foster.

Stealing this idea from grantsa4. The 2010 thread link is shown below. The pool as a whole did very poorly on this last year. BSS claims it was an odd fantasy year. King of the Jungle hints that accurate future predictions are not really possible.

Last year the big hits in the thread were Nicks, McCoy, Steve Johnson, and Maclin. But for each one of these there were numerous Wells, Kolb, Tate, Greene, Massaquoi, Brown, Stewart, Choice, Doucet, Carlson, Edelman, Kelly, Davis, Forsett, etc. tossed out there. Surely there has to be a reason why Nicks, McCoy, Johnson, and Maclin were successfully identified as breakout candidates and all of the other names busted.

Maybe as you post names this year, post your reasoning behind the picks.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...501210&st=0

Here's Team Lagacy's contribution for this year posted in the other thread.

Team Legacy said:
3 sure fire stone cold locks for a breakout - Emmanuel Sanders, Felix Jones and Danario Alexander.
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Hopefully he'll come back and provide more details. I disagree with his Sanders selection.

Sanders - Unless Ward retires, I don't see how he'll get enough looks to be a star. Mendy, Wallace, Miller are mouths that will also be feed.
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This is correct - it is impossible to predict the future. We can guess and be right though!
 
James Jones.

L. Blount. 5ypc as a rookie with a suspect offensive line, is nothing to sneeze at.

Fred Jackson - Gailey's offenses always feature a power running game..Jackson is a very talented RB .Buffalo's offense really began to take off with Fitzpatrick under center..Johnson is a star WR giving that offense a legit set of weapons. That offense is on the verge of becoming a polific stat machine.

Mark Ingram - no matter where he goes I think he'll produce pro-bowl type numbers..Redskins maybe?

Torain is too injury-prone.

Jacoby Ford

Steve Smith (NYG) if he starts on opening day. was on pace for another terrific season until he got hurt.

D. Williams - depending on which team he hooks up with..

 
Matt Stafford.

His only issue is health, not talent or performance or self-discipline. He's the type of fiery competitor that will search out a way to condition his body better. Expect a story in the offseason about him doing some crazy workout routine, diet, or physical therapy that trainers and doctors believe will make him heartier.

If he plays at least 14 games, he will be a stud and steal in FF drafts. We all know Calvin Johnson is a stud. This season Pettigrew proved himself a top TE. Best was up and down, but if Stafford strings together some starts, I bet Best's running lanes get a lot wider and the talent we all saw in the first couple weeks takes over. All of this will make the Detroit offense a lot of fun to watch.

I know people predicted this last year. The key to Detroit is Stafford though. If he stays healthy, that whole offense will explode. I think he does it in 2011.

 
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James Jones.L. Blount. 5ypc as a rookie with a suspect offensive line, is nothing to sneeze at.Fred Jackson - Gailey's offenses always feature a power running game..Jackson is a very talented RB .Buffalo's offense really began to take off with Fitzpatrick under center..Johnson is a star WR giving that offense a legit set of weapons. That offense is on the verge of becoming a polific stat machine.Mark Ingram - no matter where he goes I think he'll produce pro-bowl type numbers..Redskins maybe?Torain is too injury-prone.Jacoby FordSteve Smith (NYG) if he starts on opening day. was on pace for another terrific season until he got hurt.D. Williams - depending on which team he hooks up with..
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James Jones is an interesting one. On the one hand, he can play. But he's never really been a 1 or 2. He has shown very inconsistent hands.
 
Not sure if any of these guys are stars but could surprise:

I agree with the Donnie Avery pick earlier. If he is completely healthy McDaniels will use it to his advantage. That offense is in desperate need of someone to stretch the field and Avery has that speed. He performed admirably his first two years with sub-par qb play and could be a huge surprise going forward.

Tashard Choice is someone who I continue to wait to put together a nice year. If Barber is gone or Choice gets moved than I would keep my eye on him. He is not an elite talent but he has above average vision and burst to get the job done. He just looks like a guy who knows how to play the position.

David Nelson strung together some nice games at WR for Buffalo - however I have never had the chance to watch him play so I cannot add much more.

Jordy Nelson will have an increased roll especially if Driver hangs it up and Jones moves on. He is a great possession WR with enough speed to get deep at times.

Anthony Dixon is in good position to handle more carries if Gore is slowed down.

Seyi Ajirotut catches balls from Phil Rivers - that means something especially if VJ and Floyd are not in Charger uniforms.

Now as far as elite stars:

Kenny Britt looks like a young Andre to me. He needs to put the work in this offseason and it would help if Tennessee gathers a QB.

I think Mike Williams (TB) can take it to the next level in his second year much like Nicks did last year.

If Santonio Holmes stays in NY I would expect top 10 numbers.

Chris Ivory looks dangerous enough to put up big stats but he will have to stay healthy and get enough touches.

I think Harvin is the WR to own in Minny next year. New QB (most likely) and a conservative attack will maximize his underneath skills. He could catch a 100 balls if healthy.

 
PaperBagHead said:
Matt Stafford.

His only issue is health, not talent or performance or self-discipline. He's the type of fiery competitor that will search out a way to condition his body better. Expect a story in the offseason about him doing some crazy workout routine, diet, or physical therapy that trainers and doctors believe will make him heartier.

If he plays at least 14 games, he will be a stud and steal in FF drafts. We all know Calvin Johnson is a stud. This season Pettigrew proved himself a top TE. Best was up and down, but if Stafford strings together some starts, I bet Best's running lanes get a lot wider and the talent we all saw in the first couple weeks takes over. All of this will make the Detroit offense a lot of fun to watch.

I know people predicted this last year. The key to Detroit is Stafford though. If he stays healthy, that whole offense will explode. I think he does it in 2011.
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ditto.

In the limited time he had in 2010, he showed great improvement from his rookie season. The offense is loaded and the defense is coming around. QB1 if he can play 14+ games.

I will add:

M.Lynch - He will be back to top-15 status in Seattle with Okung healthy and a full off-season.

Also - add A.Benn, maybe not in 2011, but as late as 2012. If Benn is still hobbled - D.Briscoe in 2011.

 
BassNBrew said:
todisco1 said:
I like the Danario Alexander pick. He should have plenty of opportunity once he's fully healthy... IF...Also think next year could be Chris Wells' coming out party. If he can't do it next season, he's probably a bust. I do believe in his talent, though.And Dustin Keller will be a top 5 TE if one of Edwards or Holmes leaves.
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Wells - Please explain why his talent hasn't previal to date? Also, is the situation in Arizona good enough for him to become a star?Keller - I like the way you hedged this pick. Rather than just tossing out his name, you gave a pretty easy key to look for.
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Wells showed plenty of talent his rookie year and looked as if he was wresting the job away from Hightower. I'm going to *kinda* give him a pass this year because of injury and poor QB play. Maybe I shouldn't, I don't know -- but coming in to the league I was convinced he was going to be a star -- if Zona can just get a QB, any QB, I think the running game improves significantly. And if Wells still can't put Hightower on the bench then I'll give up and realize I was (once again) mistaken. But I am a guy who still holds out hope that Devin Thomas will bust out and become a star. :)
 
Not sure if he will be a star, but I like what I saw from Earl Bennett this year. If Cutler can improve by keeping the same coordinator/system for another year, I could see Bennett being a better option than Knox. Though it also depends on who the bears add in the off-season.

 
Steed said:
Kenny Britt will be a top 5 WR
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Who is throwing the football over there again? He's no Larry Fitzgerald and look what happened to him with no QB. Top 15-20 if lucky.
 
FavreCo said:
Steed said:
Kenny Britt will be a top 5 WR
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Who is throwing the football over there again? He's no Larry Fitzgerald and look what happened to him with no QB. Top 15-20 if lucky.
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Larry Fitz still had 90 catches. Worst case is Britt gets another season of Kerry Collins and he will do just fine. top 5 might be a reach but top 12 is certainly do-able
 
His 200+ 3 TD game was with Collins. They both got him the ball. That's the point, if he showed flashes with those dregs, what if they bring in someone half-way decent?

 
Steed said:
His 200+ 3 TD game was with Collins. They both got him the ball. That's the point, if he showed flashes with those dregs, what if they bring in someone half-way decent?
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Let me add, Kenny Britt is not Fitzgerald. Fitz mustered up 90 catches with hack QB play. Give Britt 60 max. Also, don't underestimate the loss of Fisher. That team is going to suck. Fisher won games for Tennessee with great coaching. Clowns think Vince Young won them.
 
FavreCo said:
Steed said:
His 200+ 3 TD game was with Collins. They both got him the ball. That's the point, if he showed flashes with those dregs, what if they bring in someone half-way decent?
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Let me add, Kenny Britt is not Fitzgerald. Fitz mustered up 90 catches with hack QB play. Give Britt 60 max. Also, don't underestimate the loss of Fisher. That team is going to suck. Fisher won games for Tennessee with great coaching. Clowns think Vince Young won them.
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I don't think you will find many people who think Vince won games for Tennessee. However he was capable of getting Britt the ball. Britt is not on the level of Fitz by any means, but he has a lot of physical capability and can pose match up problems. I think if they can get an average arm in Tennessee that Britt has potential to be top 10.
 
Mine: Moreno will finally live up to the billing.

Reason: The team will finally have the stability and running discipline needed, the o-line should be healthier than they were to start the season this year, the defense should be improved (especially with elvis back) and that will grant more opportunity, and Moreno will benefit from having some help (may sound counter productive but some guys just seem more likely to hold up and get the most of their skills when not being used exclusively).

Love the jason Hill idea IF (big IF) they can be a better passing team. Hill is reggie Wayne without the opportunity. A better team drafting him would have his career in a much better place. The talent is there.

Keller WILL NOT be a big star. he's good, but for him to take a big step forward like we are talking here means he has to suddenly be in the Vernon Davis, Chris Cooley range. I think he's peaked and saw his production/numbers as a result of having a rookie/young QB that made him his best friends (which is always a good, easy thing to do when you are a young QB). But now the QB is maturing and taking that next step and the Jets are still a running team. I am likely in the minority but I think the Jets' best running game will be when its Greene/McKnight. I think the young, fresh legs and McKnight being able to catch the ball will be a nice matchup for the Jets in the future. So, I think Keller will be the solid, better than average TE, but will never be in the Finley/Clark/Witten/Gates discussions in the next few years.

 
QB Tebow....just good enough in the passing game and big enough to handle the beating when he takes off and runs...if he is a starter all year his rushing TD's/yardage combined with what he gets through the air will make him a starter in 12 team leagues...

RB Goodson....just have a feeling when it is all said and done next year he will be the guy to own...also like Best to bounce back and become a top 5 choice in 2012 FF drafts....

WR Gettis...QB play has to improve and he looks like a playmaker

TE Graham...his coach mentioned that he will eventually be considered the steal of his draft class

 
FavreCo said:
Steed said:
His 200+ 3 TD game was with Collins. They both got him the ball. That's the point, if he showed flashes with those dregs, what if they bring in someone half-way decent?
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Let me add, Kenny Britt is not Fitzgerald. Fitz mustered up 90 catches with hack QB play. Give Britt 60 max. Also, don't underestimate the loss of Fisher. That team is going to suck. Fisher won games for Tennessee with great coaching. Clowns think Vince Young won them.
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Depends on who is running the offense.Fisher won games with great coaching? Maybe...but it wasn't some wide open offense type coaching. He plays quite conservative...so a more aggressive coach, who may not win as many games, may be much better for Britt's numbers.
 
I like some of the calls made here. It will be much easier when situations are settled.

QB: : Freeman

RB:: MIA Starting RB (if Ronnie or Ricky are there, then the main backup).

WR:: K. Britt, Jerome Simpson, STL #1 WR who stays healthy, SD #1 WR who remains

TE:: Jared Cook, Jimmy Graham

 
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RB - I look for a big season from James Starks. He's got the skillset and Ryan Grant is slated to make like 9m this season. If Grant doesn't restructure, he's gone.
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Completely disagree. I don't get the Starks love... the guy averaged well below 4 ypc, scored 1 TD in 99 carries, and didn't contribute in the passing game. Meanwhile, Grant continues to be severely underrated, and his salary is nowhere close to what you have said here. I think the struggles with the Green Bay running game this season have only reaffirmed Grant's value to the Packers; last year, the Packers had a much better running game and a much better offense overall. Grant will be starting for Green Bay in 2011, and should be excellent value IMO.ETA: Grant's contract details:

2011: $3.5 million, 2012: Free Agent. In addition to his $3.5 million base salary, Grant is eligible for a $1.75 million roster bonus (due in March), $250,000 workout bonus, and another $250,000 roster bonus in the 2011 offseason.
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Jan. 14 - 8:17 am et

Ryan Grant (ankle) expects to be back to 100 percent sometime in February.

If there ends up being a new CBA in place, Grant will be a full participant in the Packers' offseason program. Grant is owed a $1.75 roster bonus on top of his $3.5 million base salary. There has been no recent talk of the Packers cutting ties with Grant in 2011, perhaps because he missed out on incentives that would have jacked up his salary even higher.
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Seyi Ajirotut catches balls from Phil Rivers - that means something especially if VJ and Floyd are not in Charger uniforms.
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It's worth noting that these guys may not be back for the Chargers next season:1. Jackson - #1 WR entering the 2010 season , UFA2. Floyd - #2 WR entering the 2010 season , UFA3. Naanee - #3 WR entering the 2010 season , UFA4. Buster Davis - #4 WR entering the 2010 season, one year remaining on contract, could be cut5. Sproles - 3rd down RB, UFASo in a best case scenario for Ajirotutu, he could easily be starting next year in an offense in which he is competing with Crayton for targets behind only Gates. That said, I suspect it is more realistic to expect at least one other guy ahead of him, whether it is Jackson, Floyd, Naanee, or a free agent. So I am not predicting him as a star, but he has good upside for the likely investment.
 
I am keeping an eye on Jerome Simpson. He ended the season on a dominant note, and if Cincy rids itself of Chad/TO he is in a prime spot for a breakout. (Also, assuming Palmer is still there).

 
Londo said:
I am keeping an eye on Jerome Simpson. He ended the season on a dominant note, and if Cincy rids itself of Chad/TO he is in a prime spot for a breakout. (Also, assuming Palmer is still there).
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I think caldwell is the better of those two for FF value in PPR land.
 
Shutout said:
Londo said:
I am keeping an eye on Jerome Simpson. He ended the season on a dominant note, and if Cincy rids itself of Chad/TO he is in a prime spot for a breakout. (Also, assuming Palmer is still there).
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I think caldwell is the better of those two for FF value in PPR land.
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I think Caldwell has a higher floor but lower ceiling than Simpson. Simpson could be a big time playmaker if what we saw at the end of the year was him putting it together. Caldwell can be a decent possession guy and that's about it IMO.
 
todisco1 said:
Shutout said:
Londo said:
I am keeping an eye on Jerome Simpson. He ended the season on a dominant note, and if Cincy rids itself of Chad/TO he is in a prime spot for a breakout. (Also, assuming Palmer is still there).
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I think caldwell is the better of those two for FF value in PPR land.
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I think Caldwell has a higher floor but lower ceiling than Simpson. Simpson could be a big time playmaker if what we saw at the end of the year was him putting it together. Caldwell can be a decent possession guy and that's about it IMO.
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Simpson could be a big time playmaker or he could be this years Devin Aromashwhoseyourmamalateseasonwonderboyado :goodposting: who I drafted in almost every league last year.....
 
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Mark Ingram - no matter where he goes I think he'll produce pro-bowl type numbers..Redskins maybe?Torain is too injury-prone.
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Guy is predicted to be a late first rounder and you think he has potential pro bowl numbers :blackdot: The 2010 first round backs of Spiller, Matthews and Best have been average at best to this point.The 2009 first round backs of Knowshon, D. Brown and Beanie haven't exactly done squat to this point.While Ingram may have a decent season if given the right opportunity I highly doubt he nears pro bowl type numbers.
 
Northbound Train said:
Tanner9919 said:
Mark Ingram - no matter where he goes I think he'll produce pro-bowl type numbers..Redskins maybe?Torain is too injury-prone.
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Guy is predicted to be a late first rounder and you think he has potential pro bowl numbers :banned: The 2010 first round backs of Spiller, Matthews and Best have been average at best to this point.The 2009 first round backs of Knowshon, D. Brown and Beanie haven't exactly done squat to this point.While Ingram may have a decent season if given the right opportunity I highly doubt he nears pro bowl type numbers.
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Ingram is better than any of them
 
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
Northbound Train said:
Tanner9919 said:
Mark Ingram - no matter where he goes I think he'll produce pro-bowl type numbers..Redskins maybe?Torain is too injury-prone.
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Guy is predicted to be a late first rounder and you think he has potential pro bowl numbers ;) The 2010 first round backs of Spiller, Matthews and Best have been average at best to this point.The 2009 first round backs of Knowshon, D. Brown and Beanie haven't exactly done squat to this point.While Ingram may have a decent season if given the right opportunity I highly doubt he nears pro bowl type numbers.
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Ingram is better than any of them
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:lmao:
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
Northbound Train said:
Tanner9919 said:
Mark Ingram - no matter where he goes I think he'll produce pro-bowl type numbers..Redskins maybe?Torain is too injury-prone.
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Guy is predicted to be a late first rounder and you think he has potential pro bowl numbers :bowtie: The 2010 first round backs of Spiller, Matthews and Best have been average at best to this point.The 2009 first round backs of Knowshon, D. Brown and Beanie haven't exactly done squat to this point.While Ingram may have a decent season if given the right opportunity I highly doubt he nears pro bowl type numbers.
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Ingram is better than any of them
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:no:
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Without getting into who is better, Ingram strikes me an RB who can step into the NFL and not miss a beat. In my mind that's what separates him from the backs listed above. ...haha, it was a struggle to figure out "who is DBrown?"
 
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Mister CIA said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
Northbound Train said:
Tanner9919 said:
Mark Ingram - no matter where he goes I think he'll produce pro-bowl type numbers..Redskins maybe?Torain is too injury-prone.
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Guy is predicted to be a late first rounder and you think he has potential pro bowl numbers :thumbup: The 2010 first round backs of Spiller, Matthews and Best have been average at best to this point.The 2009 first round backs of Knowshon, D. Brown and Beanie haven't exactly done squat to this point.While Ingram may have a decent season if given the right opportunity I highly doubt he nears pro bowl type numbers.
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If he goes to one of the best teams in the nfl who's oline blows away almost all the oppositions defenses like he had in college then maybe.Ingram is grossly over-rated and benifited tremendously from the team he was on. There is a reason he's starting to be looked at as a late 1st rounder and will likely slip more after what i expect to be a laughably weak combine showing.Ingram is better than any of them
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Without getting into who is better, Ingram strikes me an RB who can step into the NFL and not miss a beat. In my mind that's what separates him from the backs listed above. ...haha, it was a struggle to figure out "who is DBrown?"
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