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Demaryius Thomas used to be injured long ago (2 Viewers)

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rabidfireweasel said:
King of the Jungle said:
rabidfireweasel said:
This is anecdotal - but it may be useful for some, as I ruptured my achilles tendon 10 months ago. I tore my ACL 18 years ago. Take all of this with multiple grains of salt:

A tendon is fibrous connective tissue that typically connects muscle and bone. ( ligament connects bone to bone). Your achilles connects your calf to your heel. When you rupture it, your foot stops working, it becomes like a flipper connected to the end of a stick. When they repair your Achilles, it is rough messy surgery. Basically, both ends of torm achilles look like a mop. They put those frayed ends together as best they can, and run a ton of stitches through it to hold it together.

Your repaired achilles is always: a bit shorter, a bit tighter, a bit weaker. Additionally, if you calf muscles were initially in decent shape (which is likely the case for an NFL player), your calf on your achilles side will always be somewhat smaller and weaker. THis isn't a situation like the ACL, where the surgery is cleaner and you can work on building muscles around the knee, and get very close to 100%. I would say, best case scenario, THomas will need at least 12 months to get to 80% and likely will never get more back to more than 90%. He will likely have prolonged issues with Achilles soreness/stiffness, and could have some real issues in cold weather games. I live in Maine, and on colder days, my achilles is extremely tight, even with a good amount of stretching.
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Good contribution. Do you mind me asking your age when you tore the achilles?
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I was 39. So, Thomas definitely has youth on his side. However, my surgeon has done work on a number of Hockey players in their teens and twenties, and the prognosis was the same. You certainly can participate in sports again, but with how the surgery is performed, and the nature of the relationship between calf and achilles, you can never get back to much more than 90% on the bad leg.Now, Thomas might have the ability to still flourish at less than 100%. I am not saying that. I was just trying to save people a bit of time from searching around on the web as to what the surgery entails, and what your Achilles is responsible for in you body. It is just a hard thing to completely repair.

It's a big deal. There is a reason there is the mythological story about the Achilles tendon, and a great hero being laid low by a seemingly inconsequential arrow.
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in NBA history (sorry Chi-town fans), Atlanta Hawk Dominique Wilkins, suffered a ruptured Achilles tendon and he wasn't the same player after that. He came back, but he wasn't the Human Highlight Film after that. This was over 25 years ago, but I'm sure we'll find out if advancements have been made with this surgery. Based on RFW's quote above, it doesn't sound like a big-time advancement if there has been one. Thomas was getting by this year on athleticism. That 10 percent he might lose will be enough that he'll have to be even better as a route runner than he was entering the league to approach his promise. This is too extreme of a comparison because I think he's a better athlete than Plaxico Burress but if he can do better between the hashes on intermediate routes and he's even 80 percent of what he was, he could be comparable to the former Giant with diminished athleticism if everything falls into place.

Decker remains the guy to get here. He's a terrific player and has the route skills, toughness to fight for the ball and enough athleticism to lead the Broncos in receptions as soon as next year if - and a huge if - the Broncos system uses him as an in his prime Mushin Muhammad to Brandon Lloyd's acrobatic, but not as tough, Steve Smith in a John Fox-influenced offense.

 
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dan marino tore his achilles and came back to be dominant. ofc, he didnt rely on athleticism remotely as much as these guys.

recently, bengals de antwan odom tore his achilles and was largely ineffective in brief action this season before hurting his knee.

elton brand tore his achilles 3 years ago and was atrocious in his first and 2nd years back. he has been much better this season. not sure how much his athleticism has recovered tho.

 
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Brandon Stokley popped his in December 2006 and recovered in time for the next opening day.
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Stokely is an interesting case, because he was never a particularly productive player, save for that one magic Indy season.In 4 years since 2006, he has less than 2000 receiving yards and 12 tds. That isn't much out of line with his career stats.
 
I got to watch Thomas this last year and it just loooked as if he didn't have a clue on how to take a hit or protect himself . The good players seem to have a nack for reducing the risk by covering up and "cacooning" prior to taking the big hit.

Thomas always looked to be in jeopardy of loosing his helmet, with head attached, when he was returning kick offs. He just didn't seem to be aware that he could reduce the injury risk by not using his head as a hat rack/battering ram.

I know those are odd statements to make about an NFL player but that was a distict impression that I had....that he was intentionally chrashing into brick walls. No self-preservation instincts what-so-ever; he didn't "play smart."

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I got to watch Thomas this last year and it just loooked as if he didn't have a clue on how to take a hit or protect himself . The good players seem to have a nack for reducing the risk by covering up and "cacooning" prior to taking the big hit.Thomas always looked to be in jeopardy of loosing his helmet, with head attached, when he was returning kick offs. He just didn't seem to be aware that he could reduce the injury risk by not using his head as a hat rack/battering ram.I know those are odd statements to make about an NFL player but that was a distict impression that I had....that he was intentionally chrashing into brick walls. No self-preservation instincts what-so-ever; he didn't "play smart." :)
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i agree, but having a guy that big returning kicks is just an awful coaching decision. kick returns are for the smaller guys as they can slide hits better when guys are running full speed at them. although him and guys like Dez can do it well, it is just way too risky as Dez took some huge shots returning kicks as well.his injuries when he was playing WR weren't contact injuries from getting hit.
 
Takeo spikes just had one of the best years of his career.. 5 years removed from Achilles (injury occurred week 3 2005)

http://www.nfl.com/players/takeospikes/profile?id=SPI270805

A career high 82 tackles plus 27 assists, 9 Passes defended and 3 Int's

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In the 4 years preceding 2005 -- avg 7 combined tackles per game on 63 games

In the 5 years following 2005 -- avg 6 combined tackles per game on 73 games

13 year career and still performing at a high level at age 34 on a repaired Achilles

Thomas has hope...

 
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rabidfireweasel said:
King of the Jungle said:
rabidfireweasel said:
This is anecdotal - but it may be useful for some, as I ruptured my achilles tendon 10 months ago. I tore my ACL 18 years ago. Take all of this with multiple grains of salt:A tendon is fibrous connective tissue that typically connects muscle and bone. ( ligament connects bone to bone). Your achilles connects your calf to your heel. When you rupture it, your foot stops working, it becomes like a flipper connected to the end of a stick. When they repair your Achilles, it is rough messy surgery. Basically, both ends of torm achilles look like a mop. They put those frayed ends together as best they can, and run a ton of stitches through it to hold it together.Your repaired achilles is always: a bit shorter, a bit tighter, a bit weaker. Additionally, if you calf muscles were initially in decent shape (which is likely the case for an NFL player), your calf on your achilles side will always be somewhat smaller and weaker. THis isn't a situation like the ACL, where the surgery is cleaner and you can work on building muscles around the knee, and get very close to 100%. I would say, best case scenario, THomas will need at least 12 months to get to 80% and likely will never get more back to more than 90%. He will likely have prolonged issues with Achilles soreness/stiffness, and could have some real issues in cold weather games. I live in Maine, and on colder days, my achilles is extremely tight, even with a good amount of stretching.
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Good contribution. Do you mind me asking your age when you tore the achilles?
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I was 39. So, Thomas definitely has youth on his side. However, my surgeon has done work on a number of Hockey players in their teens and twenties, and the prognosis was the same. You certainly can participate in sports again, but with how the surgery is performed, and the nature of the relationship between calf and achilles, you can never get back to much more than 90% on the bad leg.Now, Thomas might have the ability to still flourish at less than 100%. I am not saying that. I was just trying to save people a bit of time from searching around on the web as to what the surgery entails, and what your Achilles is responsible for in you body. It is just a hard thing to completely repair.It's a big deal. There is a reason there is the mythological story about the Achilles tendon, and a great hero being laid low by a seemingly inconsequential arrow.
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The million dollar question everyone needs answered is this;Were you able to dance at your wedding after it?
 
Donsmith753 said:
rabidfireweasel said:
King of the Jungle said:
rabidfireweasel said:
This is anecdotal - but it may be useful for some, as I ruptured my achilles tendon 10 months ago. I tore my ACL 18 years ago. Take all of this with multiple grains of salt:A tendon is fibrous connective tissue that typically connects muscle and bone. ( ligament connects bone to bone). Your achilles connects your calf to your heel. When you rupture it, your foot stops working, it becomes like a flipper connected to the end of a stick. When they repair your Achilles, it is rough messy surgery. Basically, both ends of torm achilles look like a mop. They put those frayed ends together as best they can, and run a ton of stitches through it to hold it together.Your repaired achilles is always: a bit shorter, a bit tighter, a bit weaker. Additionally, if you calf muscles were initially in decent shape (which is likely the case for an NFL player), your calf on your achilles side will always be somewhat smaller and weaker. THis isn't a situation like the ACL, where the surgery is cleaner and you can work on building muscles around the knee, and get very close to 100%. I would say, best case scenario, THomas will need at least 12 months to get to 80% and likely will never get more back to more than 90%. He will likely have prolonged issues with Achilles soreness/stiffness, and could have some real issues in cold weather games. I live in Maine, and on colder days, my achilles is extremely tight, even with a good amount of stretching.
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Good contribution. Do you mind me asking your age when you tore the achilles?
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I was 39. So, Thomas definitely has youth on his side. However, my surgeon has done work on a number of Hockey players in their teens and twenties, and the prognosis was the same. You certainly can participate in sports again, but with how the surgery is performed, and the nature of the relationship between calf and achilles, you can never get back to much more than 90% on the bad leg.Now, Thomas might have the ability to still flourish at less than 100%. I am not saying that. I was just trying to save people a bit of time from searching around on the web as to what the surgery entails, and what your Achilles is responsible for in you body. It is just a hard thing to completely repair.It's a big deal. There is a reason there is the mythological story about the Achilles tendon, and a great hero being laid low by a seemingly inconsequential arrow.
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The million dollar question everyone needs answered is this;Were you able to dance at your wedding after it?
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:rolleyes:
 
Carolina Hustler said:
Takeo spikes just had one of the best years of his career.. 5 years removed from Achilles (injury occurred week 3 2005)

http://www.nfl.com/players/takeospikes/profile?id=SPI270805

A career high 82 tackles plus 27 assists, 9 Passes defended and 3 Int's

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In the 4 years preceding 2005 -- avg 7 combined tackles per game on 63 games

In the 5 years following 2005 -- avg 6 combined tackles per game on 73 games

13 year career and still performing at a high level at age 34 on a repaired Achilles

Thomas has hope...
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I'm no M.D., but I don't think all achilles tears are the same. Sounds like DT's ruptured achilles tendon is about as bad as it can get.Given his injury history, I'd say it's safe to proclaim his NFL career pretty-much over with.

 
cobalt_27 said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Takeo spikes just had one of the best years of his career.. 5 years removed from Achilles (injury occurred week 3 2005)

http://www.nfl.com/players/takeospikes/profile?id=SPI270805

A career high 82 tackles plus 27 assists, 9 Passes defended and 3 Int's

Edit to add:

In the 4 years preceding 2005 -- avg 7 combined tackles per game on 63 games

In the 5 years following 2005 -- avg 6 combined tackles per game on 73 games

13 year career and still performing at a high level at age 34 on a repaired Achilles

Thomas has hope...
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I'm no M.D., but I don't think all achilles tears are the same. Sounds like DT's ruptured achilles tendon is about as bad as it can get.Given his injury history, I'd say it's safe to proclaim his NFL career pretty-much over with.
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Spikes had a complete tear as well.. or "rupture"

 
cobalt_27 said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Takeo spikes just had one of the best years of his career.. 5 years removed from Achilles (injury occurred week 3 2005)

http://www.nfl.com/players/takeospikes/profile?id=SPI270805

A career high 82 tackles plus 27 assists, 9 Passes defended and 3 Int's

Edit to add:

In the 4 years preceding 2005 -- avg 7 combined tackles per game on 63 games

In the 5 years following 2005 -- avg 6 combined tackles per game on 73 games

13 year career and still performing at a high level at age 34 on a repaired Achilles

Thomas has hope...
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I'm no M.D., but I don't think all achilles tears are the same. Sounds like DT's ruptured achilles tendon is about as bad as it can get.Given his injury history, I'd say it's safe to proclaim his NFL career pretty-much over with.
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Way too soon to make this proclamation.
 
"Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio says DT D'Anthony Smith is in "phenomenal shape" after tearing his Achilles' tendon last August. Analysis: "We were really excited about him. I think getting him this year is like adding another draft pick," said Del Rio. Smith was a three-technique prospect and third-round pick in last April's draft. He'll try to work his way into the rotation behind Tyson Alualu and Terrance Knighton in 2011."

 
Steed said:
cobalt_27 said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Takeo spikes just had one of the best years of his career.. 5 years removed from Achilles (injury occurred week 3 2005)

http://www.nfl.com/players/takeospikes/profile?id=SPI270805

A career high 82 tackles plus 27 assists, 9 Passes defended and 3 Int's

Edit to add:

In the 4 years preceding 2005 -- avg 7 combined tackles per game on 63 games

In the 5 years following 2005 -- avg 6 combined tackles per game on 73 games

13 year career and still performing at a high level at age 34 on a repaired Achilles

Thomas has hope...
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I'm no M.D., but I don't think all achilles tears are the same. Sounds like DT's ruptured achilles tendon is about as bad as it can get.Given his injury history, I'd say it's safe to proclaim his NFL career pretty-much over with.
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Way too soon to make this proclamation.
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agreedHe'll likely never be as good as he could have been without the set back. But he could still have a productive career..

According to an article I read, I can't remember where, said approx 30% of the nfl players who have had this type of injury in the past didn't return. From my perspective, with the advances in medical science, Thomas has a better than 70 % chance of returning.

 
Steed said:
cobalt_27 said:
Given his injury history, I'd say it's safe to proclaim his NFL career pretty-much over with.
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Way too soon to make this proclamation.
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I suppose you're right. I mean, if he had a history of prior injuries, that would be one thing. You know, like a broken foot, reinjury of the same foot, ankle injury, achilles tear...that sort of thing. But, given that he's been a model of health, I suppose he'll return to becoming a dominant NFL receiver soon.
 
Carolina Hustler said:
cobalt_27 said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Takeo spikes just had one of the best years of his career.. 5 years removed from Achilles (injury occurred week 3 2005)

http://www.nfl.com/players/takeospikes/profile?id=SPI270805

A career high 82 tackles plus 27 assists, 9 Passes defended and 3 Int's

Edit to add:

In the 4 years preceding 2005 -- avg 7 combined tackles per game on 63 games

In the 5 years following 2005 -- avg 6 combined tackles per game on 73 games

13 year career and still performing at a high level at age 34 on a repaired Achilles

Thomas has hope...
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I'm no M.D., but I don't think all achilles tears are the same. Sounds like DT's ruptured achilles tendon is about as bad as it can get.Given his injury history, I'd say it's safe to proclaim his NFL career pretty-much over with.
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Spikes had a complete tear as well.. or "rupture"
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However spikes played LB and bay bay plays wr. From what I've read even those who recover from a ruptured achilles never get back their full power/explosion. I'm hoping for the best for thomas but IMO it doesn't look good for him, especially given how injury prone he seems to be as a pro.The official time table on his rehab is 6 - 8 months.

 
Carolina Hustler said:
According to an article I read, I can't remember where, said approx 30% of the nfl players who have had this type of injury in the past didn't return. From my perspective, with the advances in medical science, Thomas has a better than 70 % chance of returning.
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I think he has a decent shot at returning, but the most important part is how close he will be to pre-injury. If he's only 70-80% of what he was, I think he'll never be a factor in terms of fantasy. If he's 90+% then it could get interesting.
 
NorrisB said:
:thanks: :drive: :clap: :hey: :hey: Thrilled! Have Decker in a bunch of leagues. Got him uber cheap midseason
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at the end of the day im probably the dumbest poster here but even im not dumb enough to be glad a dude got injured i hope that you are ashamed of yourself and that you are somehow able to avoid get the karma blast you have coming to you
 
FTRWRTR said:
Carolina Hustler said:
cobalt_27 said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Takeo spikes just had one of the best years of his career.. 5 years removed from Achilles (injury occurred week 3 2005)

http://www.nfl.com/players/takeospikes/profile?id=SPI270805

A career high 82 tackles plus 27 assists, 9 Passes defended and 3 Int's

Edit to add:

In the 4 years preceding 2005 -- avg 7 combined tackles per game on 63 games

In the 5 years following 2005 -- avg 6 combined tackles per game on 73 games

13 year career and still performing at a high level at age 34 on a repaired Achilles

Thomas has hope...
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I'm no M.D., but I don't think all achilles tears are the same. Sounds like DT's ruptured achilles tendon is about as bad as it can get.Given his injury history, I'd say it's safe to proclaim his NFL career pretty-much over with.
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Spikes had a complete tear as well.. or "rupture"
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However spikes played LB and bay bay plays wr. From what I've read even those who recover from a ruptured achilles never get back their full power/explosion. I'm hoping for the best for thomas but IMO it doesn't look good for him, especially given how injury prone he seems to be as a pro.The official time table on his rehab is 6 - 8 months.
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LB, WR, CB, RB, S, TE.... I'd say those positions aren't going to have a big difference in that regard.. You're talking about fractions of fractions at that point..

If I had quoted Marino or Testaverde who also recovered fine, but play a less 'mobility reliant' position, Then I'd see your argument.. But LB's have to be explosive and mobile, they also need to be able to absorb impacts..

 
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LarryAllen said:
Man, just think...2009(1-11) RB Knowshon Moreno(1-18) DE Robert Ayers(2-37) CB Alphonso Smith(2-48) S Darcel McBath(2-64) TE Richard Quinn2010(1-22) WR Demaryius Thomas(1-25) QB Tim Tebow(2-45) OT Zane BeadlesCould have been...2009(1-11) QB Josh Freeman(1-18) OT Michael Oher(2-37) S Darius Byrd(2-48) RB LeSean McCoy(2-64) DE Michael Johnson2010(1-22) WR Dez Bryant(1-25) CB Devin McCourty(2-45) TE Aaron Hernandez
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:thumbup: You can play that across your keyboard for every team.
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You sure could, but its really easy to do with McD because he skipped the obvious picks to take somebody else. Here is what I wanted/would have done at the time:2009(1-11) Orakpo - needed a pass rush, Dumervil was very iffy at OLB at the time(1-18) Maualuga - would have been great next to DJ Williams(2-37) Ron Brace - needed somebody big to play NT(2-48) Darcel McBath - I actually liked this pick(2-64) I would have kept the 3rd rounders that they used to get this pick (side note - one of the picks ended up being Mike Wallace), trading up to get Quinn was probably the dumbest thing McDaniels ever did with his picks, even worse than trading up for Alphonso Smith, Quinn was something like a 5th round grade2010 - Wouldn't have made any of the early round trades(1-11) Pouncey - the Broncos desperately needed a couple interior linemen and Pouncey graded out as one of the best centers ever. (2-43) Taylor Mays - Broncos were old at both safety positions and Mays fell pretty far, he looked really good to me(2-45) Terrence Cody - Looked like a very good prospect for a NT, would have also thought about Brandon SpikesWhat a mess McD was.
 
Did a little research in advance of a spot on Cecil's radio show later today.

Some things to consider:

As mentioned above, the study in the Foot and Ankle Journal is interesting, but shouldn't be specifically applied to Thomas' case. It's dated (1997-2002), limited in scope (only 31 players, only 2 WRs), simplistic (no access to medical records, potentially incomplete, the "power rating" formula is essentially a FF ranking including production by yards and touchdowns rather than any objective measure of recovery) and makes no attempt to control for age of injury, time of season of injury, etc.

That's not to say that the conclusions drawn are totally unreasonable. It's a difficult injury from which to recover, moreso for a player who relies on some measure of explosiveness and change of direction to play his particular position. And it's definitely true that the odds would appear to be stacked against him based on the WR comps I've found.

Kevin Dyson (2005), Tim Carter (2002), Todd Pinkston (2005) never played another meaningful down. All three were fairly young. Ronald Curry had multiple tears with some modest success (117 catches in 2006 and 2007) after his 2005 tear.

But since the study noted above, there have been a number of defensive players, including pass rushers that rely on some measure of an explosive burst off the snap, leverage and acceleration, with promising recoveries.

Takeo Spikes hasn't been quite the same player, but has been very effective at times after his 2005 injury. Derrick Burgess, injured in 2003, had 16 sacks in 2005 and over 30 between 2005 and 2007. Julian Peterson had 20 sacks in 2006 and 2007 after his 2004 tear. Greg Ellis recovered fairly well. Mike Brown and Yeremiah Bell returned to play well after their tears in 2005 and 2007 respectively.

Thomas has youth, always improving surgical and rehab techniques and the pedigree of having been a first round pick (some cushion in talent and a greater likelihood that the team will stick with him through a slow recovery period) on his side. And he'll probably need it. Even the most optimistic of recoveries would have him missing all OTAs and most of camp. With a new offense and potentially a new QB, that's going to be difficult to overcome. If he loses some of his explosiveness, he may have to drastically improve on his route running ability to get separation deep and on quick breaking routes.

It's probably not a good idea to write his long term prospects off altogether, but it's likely that we won't see much from Thomas until the second half of 2011 at the earliest. If you're buying him now, buy him extremely low. 2012 is realistically his first chance at proving that he's recovered and made any changes to his style of play that may be necessary.

 
Jene Bramel said:
Did a little research in advance of a spot on Cecil's radio show later today.Some things to consider:As mentioned above, the study in the Foot and Ankle Journal is interesting, but shouldn't be specifically applied to Thomas' case. It's dated (1997-2002), limited in scope (only 31 players, only 2 WRs), simplistic (no access to medical records, potentially incomplete, the "power rating" formula is essentially a FF ranking including production by yards and touchdowns rather than any objective measure of recovery) and makes no attempt to control for age of injury, time of season of injury, etc.That's not to say that the conclusions drawn are totally unreasonable. It's a difficult injury from which to recover, moreso for a player who relies on some measure of explosiveness and change of direction to play his particular position. And it's definitely true that the odds would appear to be stacked against him based on the WR comps I've found.Kevin Dyson (2005), Tim Carter (2002), Todd Pinkston (2005) never played another meaningful down. All three were fairly young. Ronald Curry had multiple tears with some modest success (117 catches in 2006 and 2007) after his 2005 tear.But since the study noted above, there have been a number of defensive players, including pass rushers that rely on some measure of an explosive burst off the snap, leverage and acceleration, with promising recoveries. Takeo Spikes hasn't been quite the same player, but has been very effective at times after his 2005 injury. Derrick Burgess, injured in 2003, had 16 sacks in 2005 and over 30 between 2005 and 2007. Julian Peterson had 20 sacks in 2006 and 2007 after his 2004 tear. Greg Ellis recovered fairly well. Mike Brown and Yeremiah Bell returned to play well after their tears in 2005 and 2007 respectively.Thomas has youth, always improving surgical and rehab techniques and the pedigree of having been a first round pick (some cushion in talent and a greater likelihood that the team will stick with him through a slow recovery period) on his side. And he'll probably need it. Even the most optimistic of recoveries would have him missing all OTAs and most of camp. With a new offense and potentially a new QB, that's going to be difficult to overcome. If he loses some of his explosiveness, he may have to drastically improve on his route running ability to get separation deep and on quick breaking routes.It's probably not a good idea to write his long term prospects off altogether, but it's likely that we won't see much from Thomas until the second half of 2011 at the earliest. If you're buying him now, buy him extremely low. 2012 is realistically his first chance at proving that he's recovered and made any changes to his style of play that may be necessary.
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:cry: Julian Peterson is the real hope here because he was playing high level, got hurt and quickly returned. He went to have 2 of his best years post-injury.
 
Jene Bramel said:
It's probably not a good idea to write his long term prospects off altogether, but it's likely that we won't see much from Thomas until the second half of 2011 at the earliest. If you're buying him now, buy him extremely low. 2012 is realistically his first chance at proving that he's recovered and made any changes to his style of play that may be necessary.
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I'll agree with that but I don't see many of his current owners selling low. Most of these people invested a mid-to-late first round pick on him, or acquired him by paying a premium once he showed that he was legitimate on the playing field. I think the majority of his owners have invested too much to let him go for what he is really worth (given the highly speculative nature of his recovery). The bottom line is that I don't see Thomas changing hands much, I think there will be too much of a disparity between his asking price and actual value.

 
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squistion said:
Jene Bramel said:
It's probably not a good idea to write his long term prospects off altogether, but it's likely that we won't see much from Thomas until the second half of 2011 at the earliest. If you're buying him now, buy him extremely low. 2012 is realistically his first chance at proving that he's recovered and made any changes to his style of play that may be necessary.
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I'll agree with that but I don't see many of his current owners selling low. Most of these people invested a mid-to-late first round pick on him, or acquired him by paying a premium once he showed that he was legitimate on the playing field. I think the majority of his owners have invested too much to let him go for what he is really worth (given the highly speculative nature of his recovery). The bottom line is that I don't see Thomas changing hands much, I think there will be too much of a disparity between his asking price and actual value.
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I tend to agree. I think most Thomas owners would rather hold him for a full year with little/no return rather than sell him for pennies on the dollar (compared to what they paid). I don't own Thomas, but that would likely be my approach if I did.
 
squistion said:
Jene Bramel said:
It's probably not a good idea to write his long term prospects off altogether, but it's likely that we won't see much from Thomas until the second half of 2011 at the earliest. If you're buying him now, buy him extremely low. 2012 is realistically his first chance at proving that he's recovered and made any changes to his style of play that may be necessary.
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I'll agree with that but I don't see many of his current owners selling low. Most of these people invested a mid-to-late first round pick on him, or acquired him by paying a premium once he showed that he was legitimate on the playing field. I think the majority of his owners have invested too much to let him go for what he is really worth (given the highly speculative nature of his recovery). The bottom line is that I don't see Thomas changing hands much, I think there will be too much of a disparity between his asking price and actual value.
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I agree. I think the best time to grab him will be toward the end of 2011. Unless someone panics and releases him this offseason, his price and risk-reward profile will be best matched then.

Today, I think a reasonable investment would be whatever you'd give for a WR5- downside player with a window of 2012 and beyond. I doubt he's available for that. As you note, his current owners are probably (correctly) going to protect their (expected) WR2 investment. By November 2011 - March 2012, he may well be available for a WR4/WR5 flyer investment (or less), especially if he gets back on the field but hasn't fully recovered.

 
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I own Thomas in 3 leagues and will not part with him unless I need the roster spot. May as well wait to see his performance once 2012 rolls around. Denver also has a 1st rd pick invested in Thomas so I'm sure they will give him every opportunity to prove his worth before he's taken to the glue factory.

 
Hindsight is 20/20 as the saying goes. But what I had been thinking all this time is HOW STUPID... 2010 could have been...

(1-22) WR Dez Bryant

(1-25) WR Demaryius Thomas

(2-45) QB Tim Tebow

 
Broncos | Demaryius Thomas placed on NFI

Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:05:44 -0700

Denver Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (Achilles') has been placed on the team's non-football injury list and was not able to pass his physical. He is not eligible to practice until he passes a physical with the team.

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Broncos | Demaryius Thomas injury update

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 00:14:09 -0700

<a href="http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl/denver-broncos" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 170); text-decoration: underline; ">Denver Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (Achilles') is expected to miss at least the first half of the season while he recovers from a torn Achilles' tendon.

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this is from his official (and crappy) site

Wide receiver Demaryius Thomas still recovering from torn Achilles Posted in News on August 1st, 2011 at 5:00 PM



By Lindsay Jones

John Leyba, The Denver PostDenver Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas.

Broncos wide receiver Demaryius Thomas will start 2011 on the Non-Football Injury list after failing his physical at Dove Valley on Thursday.

This news should not come as a surprise. Thomas tore his Achilles tendon and had surgery in February. He, and the team, are holding out hope that he will be able to play by midseason.

By placing Thomas on the NFI, the team is holding a spot on the training camp roster for Thomas, though he is not allowed to practice until he passes a physical, giving Thomas more time to rehab and the team several more weeks to make further decisions about his status.

As long as Thomas hasn’t practiced or passed a physical, the team has the option to put him on the Physically Unable to Perform (PUP) list to start the season. He would stay there for six weeks, at which point the team would either have to place him on the active roster or on the injured reserve list.

 
Not sure how this isn't a bump for Royal. I think he is a steal at his current ADP (especially PPR), if you want to consider last year a slump year.

 
Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (Achilles) has been cleared to practice, which means he will avoid the reserve/NFI list.

"He's ready to go," said GM Brian Xanders. This is an immensely positive sign for Thomas, as football czar John Elway conceded during the offseason that the 2010 first-rounder would miss the first six weeks of the season on the NFI list. Though the history of receivers returning from Achilles tears is checkered, Ronald Curry and Brandon Stokley went on to post-surgery success even if they remained injury prone. Thomas is clearly more talented than both, which gives him a better chance of beating the odds. Don't expect a fantasy impact before mid-season, as he will likely stay behind Eddie Royal and Eric Decker as he's eased back in.

Source: Denver Post

Sep 3 - 2:58 PM

Could he be fantasy worthy in the second half?

 
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Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (Achilles) has been cleared to practice, which means he will avoid the reserve/NFI list."He's ready to go," said GM Brian Xanders. This is an immensely positive sign for Thomas, as football czar John Elway conceded during the offseason that the 2010 first-rounder would miss the first six weeks of the season on the NFI list. Though the history of receivers returning from Achilles tears is checkered, Ronald Curry and Brandon Stokley went on to post-surgery success even if they remained injury prone. Thomas is clearly more talented than both, which gives him a better chance of beating the odds. Don't expect a fantasy impact before mid-season, as he will likely stay behind Eddie Royal and Eric Decker as he's eased back in.Source: Denver PostSep 3 - 2:58 PMCould he be fantasy worthy in the second half?
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:thumbup: Really like the kid.This is great news for him.
 
The marvels of modern medicine. It seems we're reaching a point where recovery times need to be re-evaluated every season, because they get quicker and quicker. Medical outcomes today seem to be significantly different from what they were even 5 or 10 years ago, which is awesome to see, but it certainly raises issues with trying to use historical precedent to make evaluations going forward.

 
'Ron_Mexico said:
'ponchsox said:
Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas (Achilles) has been cleared to practice, which means he will avoid the reserve/NFI list."He's ready to go," said GM Brian Xanders. This is an immensely positive sign for Thomas, as football czar John Elway conceded during the offseason that the 2010 first-rounder would miss the first six weeks of the season on the NFI list. Though the history of receivers returning from Achilles tears is checkered, Ronald Curry and Brandon Stokley went on to post-surgery success even if they remained injury prone. Thomas is clearly more talented than both, which gives him a better chance of beating the odds. Don't expect a fantasy impact before mid-season, as he will likely stay behind Eddie Royal and Eric Decker as he's eased back in.Source: Denver PostSep 3 - 2:58 PMCould he be fantasy worthy in the second half?
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:thumbup: Really like the kid.This is great news for him.
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