Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
That is a valid point. I must give you that.
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Meltdown in Japan's Reactors (2 Viewers)
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FavreCo
Footballguy
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-local-iodide-sales-20110315,0,7465375.story
Get one before they run out and you start glowing. Unbelievable stupidity.
Get one before they run out and you start glowing. Unbelievable stupidity.
bueno
In a class by himself
Japanese government has announced they are evacuating the plant. More to follow.
translator said there was a rapid increase in radiation levels and all 50 workershave been evacuated. Unfortunately she blew the exact radiation measurement, so it is hard to know how high.
Without workers there to keep the reactors cool, containment vessel breaches are likely inevitable and the last line of defense is - well the last line of defense.
translator said there was a rapid increase in radiation levels and all 50 workershave been evacuated. Unfortunately she blew the exact radiation measurement, so it is hard to know how high.
Without workers there to keep the reactors cool, containment vessel breaches are likely inevitable and the last line of defense is - well the last line of defense.
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Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
CNN: Workers at Japan's damaged nuclear power plant have suspended operations and evacuated, chief Cabinet secretary says.
Otis
Footballguy
Anderson Cooper talking about this now. CNN obviously saying this is really bad. Hard to know what's going on for sure.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Thanks for the update. :worried:
timschochet
Footballguy
Bigtime thanks to you, and to Bueno, and even to Wilked (though he thinks I'm an uncaring *******) for providing the rest of us so much info in this thread. Whether the news is good or bad, it's always better to know, and I've learned a lot about this from reading the three of you. This is one of the reasons the FFA can at times be so valuable, and you three guys have all been terrific in spending time and effort explaining stuff.
Sputnikv8
Footballguy
Hmmm... it either means things are completely under control and the team needs rest. Or, things are so bad, they won't expose people to it. Wow, how were the officials able to say that and not "why". Unreal.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Is it ok for Dodd's to start pulling his hair out now?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Yes, these guys are beyond heroic.
bueno
In a class by himself
Does he have any left?
This is the second worst news we could be hearing. It means the probability of any human oversight of the facility having any potential benefits is zero. The worst news we could be hearing could very well follow at any time. My best thoughts and hopes are with the people over there.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Evacuation is not a good sign.
This thing is far from over. A very sad day for fission technology the world over.
This thing is far from over. A very sad day for fission technology the world over.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I am sure he has some growing in his ears. I hate that part of getting older. Damn ear hair.
PIK95
Footballguy
Ditto hookers from Hunter's Point.Same reasoning some people use to never board an airplane.This is why nuclear power scares me. When something goes wrong, it really goes wrong.
PIK95
Footballguy
David....Bueno has been 100% correct in his posts, and seems more familiar with commercial plant design than I am (I was Navy). You are wearing the foil hat.Nuclear Power facilities have ALWAYS operated under a cloud of suspicion and a litany of over-bearing safety precautions. The public has remained largely ignorant both of Nuclear power and of what radiation is, how it works, and what it can do. People have ALWAYS over-reacted to anything "Nuclear".
These problems are serious, but this is not now, nor will it ever progress to anything remotely close to Chernobyl. The overhwhelming majority of the precautions taken by the Japanese gov't are just that...precautions. If someone's lifetime cancer risk could have quantifiably been raised by even 1/2 of 1%, and they DIDN'T take these precautions, they'd be eviscerated later.
Radiation levels 20 feet outside of an operating power plant are NORMAL...IE: No differant from anywhere else. A "significant rise" to even 10X normal would not pose a risk. 100X normal would remain a manageable risk.
TAKE OFF THE HAT!
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
HAM SELL US YOUR POTASSIUM IODIDE
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Obviously this was due to a spike in radiation at the site.Let's hope it falls and was a singular event. Those guys need to get back in there so they can "feed n' bleed" until the cores are cool.Not to mention putting out fires at the retention ponds.
bigbottom
Footballguy
But he looks REALLY good in a tight shirt.
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Insoxicated
What are your thoughts if they can't go back in?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Start sending best wishes and/or prayers toward that area. They're gonna need it.
Rovers
Footballguy
If you were ordering "squids" around, this country is in deep trouble. The sea water option has been around since day 1, and you never heard of it? Just stop.
bueno
In a class by himself
Likely the heat will melt through the pressure vessel, the fuel will fall to the floor of the third containment structure where the thick concrete floor will stop it from interacting with the water table. (That would be bad.) Radiation levels will increase at the plant, but unless there is interaction with the water table, there should be little danger of radioactive particle dispersal.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
Very
PIK95
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Maybe so, has it ever been performed? Nah.I am bored with this whole "I'm an ex-navy nuc b.s. so friggin what. So was I about 17 years ago. Its old stuff to me. Qualified on bothe S6G and S5W plants and even worked on the last remaining diesel boat, the triple nickel. That and two bits still wont buy a cup of joe.
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
Since there seems to be confusion and honestly there's been tons about this entire situation, here's a quick update.
Workers were evacuated, but it was due to incorrect measurements being released, all the workers are back at the plant now. What happened was incorrect measurements at the gate forced an evacuation and then they were moved back in once it was felt safe to do so. A lot of Western media sites are anywhere from 2-6 hours behind on what's actually going on and your best bet for up-to-date info are from the live Japanese broadcasts being translated.
Workers were evacuated, but it was due to incorrect measurements being released, all the workers are back at the plant now. What happened was incorrect measurements at the gate forced an evacuation and then they were moved back in once it was felt safe to do so. A lot of Western media sites are anywhere from 2-6 hours behind on what's actually going on and your best bet for up-to-date info are from the live Japanese broadcasts being translated.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
bueno already answered this. Too hot to for the cement to cure.
David Dodds
Administrator
Not according to Bueno. Only 50 people were needed. They sent everyone else home because there was no more work to do.
bueno
In a class by himself
So your nuclear experience is about as dated as mine. Hint: Bing is a better search engine than Google.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
That's great news Blue-kun.
Do you have a link to these translated broadcasts?
Do you have a link to these translated broadcasts?
David Dodds
Administrator
Why do anything at all? This situation is clearly getting better by the nice ocean breeze alone.
bueno
In a class by himself
Is your comprehension really that bad or do you enjoy putting words in people's mouth? Because I never thought you were stupid.
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Insoxicated
Interesting dissent here. Glad to hear the workers are back in (If that's the case).
bueno
In a class by himself
Is your comprehension really that bad or do you enjoy putting words in people's mouth? Because I never thought you were stupid. They sent home non-essential personnel.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
thanks for the tip!So your nuclear experience is about as dated as mine. Hint: Bing is a better search engine than Google.
Otis
Footballguy
In response to your direct question I posted a couple serious answers and counter-questions and you give me stuff like this in response. Hard to work with here, GB.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
When do we start apologizing to Dodds?
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
Unfortunately the livestream I was watching went out a few hours ago. Check around Ustream and sometimes you'll find a stream w/ a translator. For lack of that, this site has been relatively up-to-date compared to most places I've seen. http://www.thetokyopost.com/news-opinion/live-blog-general-updates-about-the-situation-in-japan/Note that it's mostly a collection of journalist posts and headlines, but the ones actually in Japan tend to be ahead of the curve. I've been seeing 'headline' information there long before it actually makes it to CNN & co.In an odd bit, SomethingAwful actually has what (to me anwyay) looks like a very good FAQ / write-up of what's happening at Fukushima. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3396817
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bueno
In a class by himself
I am super relieved that it was a false reading. Hopefully they can continue pumping water into those reactors.Interesting dissent here. Glad to hear the workers are back in (If that's the case).
bentley
Footballguy
That's what I was thinking. I lost myself in his eyes. Not sure what he said.
3C's
Footballguy
It's almost like you (and Fennis) are hoping for bad news just so you'll be right. "I told you so!!"
rolyaTy
You're Heinous
Seriously...this whole problem would've been averted had people just trusted that the automated processes were working. Send all the employees home. It's all good.
David Dodds
Administrator
People here are claiming that the readings are good 20 feet from the plant. Can you guys provide a link for that?
I have read a lot on this and I have not seen a single article confirming this "fact" at all.
Were these the same readings that were so good that they told all of the workers to leave because they were too high? Those facts seem to be in dispute with one another.
Thanks in advance.
So far in this thread I have learned than hydrogen explosions at nuclear reactors are good news, sea water flushes are part of the operating manual, when you send 600 people home and keep just 50 it's because there is no work to do, cooling is mandatory, but if you forget to do it, nothing really happens anyway.
All is good. Wiffle ball tournament to start next week on the site.
I have read a lot on this and I have not seen a single article confirming this "fact" at all.
Were these the same readings that were so good that they told all of the workers to leave because they were too high? Those facts seem to be in dispute with one another.
Thanks in advance.
So far in this thread I have learned than hydrogen explosions at nuclear reactors are good news, sea water flushes are part of the operating manual, when you send 600 people home and keep just 50 it's because there is no work to do, cooling is mandatory, but if you forget to do it, nothing really happens anyway.
All is good. Wiffle ball tournament to start next week on the site.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
You're crazy if you think that a massive earthquake + giant tsunami left all the control systems and infrastructure intact.I'm sure they're doing some patchwork #### in there right now.
David Dodds
Administrator
Adding sea water is automated (I did not even know this was part of the plan since doing this ruins the reactor)? Putting out fires is automated? I must have missed that news item as well.
