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But Finley will be back...
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2011 Sleepers (1 Viewer)
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I think 280-300 touches is a lot to hope for with Spiller there, but I do think he stays reliant..
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
already mentioned...
WR - clayton (like more) & avery... jason hill... jacoby ford is not just super fast in a league of fast players (ncaa 60 or 100 m. champ?), but is athletic, has ball skills and can translate his speed into field production... he might be the raiders most talented WR NOW... i saw him make adjustments to the ball in the air, which is a great sign that he can harness his track star speed and run under control... decker could start...
RB - didn't think of ryan williams and daniel thomas as sleepers, but completely agree they could outperform their ADP... they could do close to, as good or even better than ingram, and will come cheaper...
also...
QB - tebow
WR - jerome simpson... freakish athletic tools, only a two game breakout but he should have the opportunity to start, with ocho cinco's antics and repeated attempts to talk his way out of town... dalton will be rate limiting step... will split receptions with young talents like green, gresham & shipley... arrelious benn's ACL rehab reportedly going well... braylon edwards could end up on a team like the bears... brian robiskie...
TE - not a sleeper per se, but i think jimmy graham could be a monster...
RB - rashad jennings in dynasty, also demarco murray...
WR - clayton (like more) & avery... jason hill... jacoby ford is not just super fast in a league of fast players (ncaa 60 or 100 m. champ?), but is athletic, has ball skills and can translate his speed into field production... he might be the raiders most talented WR NOW... i saw him make adjustments to the ball in the air, which is a great sign that he can harness his track star speed and run under control... decker could start...
RB - didn't think of ryan williams and daniel thomas as sleepers, but completely agree they could outperform their ADP... they could do close to, as good or even better than ingram, and will come cheaper...
also...
QB - tebow
WR - jerome simpson... freakish athletic tools, only a two game breakout but he should have the opportunity to start, with ocho cinco's antics and repeated attempts to talk his way out of town... dalton will be rate limiting step... will split receptions with young talents like green, gresham & shipley... arrelious benn's ACL rehab reportedly going well... braylon edwards could end up on a team like the bears... brian robiskie...
TE - not a sleeper per se, but i think jimmy graham could be a monster...
RB - rashad jennings in dynasty, also demarco murray...
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az_prof
Footballguy
Report today at Rotoworld suggests that Roberts is in a good position to get the WR2 spot because of how he played at the end of last season.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
So in that case Blair White won't be relevant for 2 maybe 3 quarters..
what a waste of talent AG has turned out to be... I had big hopes for him but always seems to get injured... that said I am targeting him late in redrafts just in case Collie goes down... Maybe AG stays healthy but who really knows
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
I like Ford, Roberts, Decker, and Emmanuel Sanders at WR.
Bernard Scott looks to me like he has the vision and skill set to be a poor mans chris johnson if the coaching staff pulls their collective head out of their collective morass (thats where bengals live right? if not then disregard the first part of the word morass
)
I also like what I've seen from Bilal Powell and I think he can have a nice impact near the end of the season when Shonn Greene is inevitably injured.
I'm excited to see how often the Patriots deploy a 3 or 4 TE set which would match Hernandez most likely against a corner or safety... I expect to see him be used a bit more as a WR... they have to get a playmaker like that into the open field.
Brandon Tate is exciting for me as well even though many seem to be down on him. I still feel like last year was his rookie season and I believe his impact could be more than some expect especially in return yardage leagues (although the revised Kickoff rules curb that appeal a little).
Finally... I really like McCluster and Tawain Jones... Maybe I'm a sucker for "houseability" but it makes it so much more fun to watch.. I know McCluster is small but I think they will find a way to utilize him in the run game and phase Thomas Jones out... Tawains impact is intriguing as well... reminds me of Jerious Norwood when Jerious Norwood is healthy. I believe he could be a boom bust but if he booms he could be really really fun to watch
Bernard Scott looks to me like he has the vision and skill set to be a poor mans chris johnson if the coaching staff pulls their collective head out of their collective morass (thats where bengals live right? if not then disregard the first part of the word morass
)I also like what I've seen from Bilal Powell and I think he can have a nice impact near the end of the season when Shonn Greene is inevitably injured.
I'm excited to see how often the Patriots deploy a 3 or 4 TE set which would match Hernandez most likely against a corner or safety... I expect to see him be used a bit more as a WR... they have to get a playmaker like that into the open field.
Brandon Tate is exciting for me as well even though many seem to be down on him. I still feel like last year was his rookie season and I believe his impact could be more than some expect especially in return yardage leagues (although the revised Kickoff rules curb that appeal a little).
Finally... I really like McCluster and Tawain Jones... Maybe I'm a sucker for "houseability" but it makes it so much more fun to watch.. I know McCluster is small but I think they will find a way to utilize him in the run game and phase Thomas Jones out... Tawains impact is intriguing as well... reminds me of Jerious Norwood when Jerious Norwood is healthy. I believe he could be a boom bust but if he booms he could be really really fun to watch
ThePittbully
Footballguy
I like Jacoby Ford, Emmanuel Sanders, Jerome Simpson, Mario Manningham, Hillis (I think a lot of people expect him to fall off and I don't think he does),Ryan Grant, and Mike Williams of Seattle.
Edit: Kenny Britt, a lot of people giving up on him already. I'll take the risk
Edit: Kenny Britt, a lot of people giving up on him already. I'll take the risk
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Ryan Grant is a good one. I just grabbed him at pick 13.11 in a start up PPR dynasty 2 weeks ago.
cr8f
Footballguy
Did you get Starks too? I think Grant will help him this year and he may start next season.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
No, missed Starks, he actually went before Grant. I'm ok with it though, I'll be filling RB need in next years rookie draft.
for those high on Jordy and writing off Driver or relagating him to the #3 role....they love him in GB and after winning the SB I'm not sure he would comeback if he didn't think he could continue to produce at a pretty high level....and he has pretty much been playing the WR2 position in GB for some time now and if he does come back, I don't think they all of a sudden totally switch up his position/role....I think if he plays it will be where he was last year and Jordy may be the one working the slot or #3 in 3 WR sets....Driver is a lot like Hines Ward or Derrick Mason....I think he hangs on for a little longer than people think....In a recent 12 team mock with some guys from this site I was getting Driver in 17th or 18th round....so Driver may in fact be the real sleeper...
I think Jones gets offered WR1 type money by somebody and leaves....leaving Jennings/Driver/Nelson/Cobb to handle WR duties....until I see them kind of "officially" relegate Driver to a reduced role I still think he provides some value as a WR2 in that offense....
I also agree that Blair White could be the sleeper/value play to have in Indy...played well last year and Manning looked to him...
I think Jones gets offered WR1 type money by somebody and leaves....leaving Jennings/Driver/Nelson/Cobb to handle WR duties....until I see them kind of "officially" relegate Driver to a reduced role I still think he provides some value as a WR2 in that offense....
I also agree that Blair White could be the sleeper/value play to have in Indy...played well last year and Manning looked to him...
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Beanie Wells
I'm going to post my research about parallels to another disappointing 3rd year player who has a RB drafted highly by his team. Look for it in the next couple of days (hopefully, work is busy)
I'm going to post my research about parallels to another disappointing 3rd year player who has a RB drafted highly by his team. Look for it in the next couple of days (hopefully, work is busy)
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Every old wide receiver thinks they are going to come back and play at a higher level than the year before. You wouldn't want one that thinks he is going to suck next year do you? The intensity of a person's mind does not always match the age of the body. Your opinion is why Jordy Nelson is considered a sleeper pick. The possibility exists that Driver will retain the #2 and also be a value. Some just think it is less likely than you do.
Driver is in pretty good shape, always has been....Nelson is going way before Driver in most drafts, so I think it is kind of hard to call him the sleeper in this scenerio since it seems that most have already handed him the WR2 position in GB....'Velveeta22 said:
Touchdown There
Footballguy
A sleeper drastically out-produces ADP. Looking for value here. Either guy could fairly be called a sleeper as late rounders right now, but time will tell who gets the production during the season.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
My list is still a work in progress (right up until the draft lol) and the only name that jumps out that wasn't already mentioned is Danny Amendola. He needs a real target on the outside to open things up in the middle, but should be solid in a McDaniels offense. Especially with Bradford throwing so much short stuff.
looks like in ppr...last FBG ADPJordy is going at about #106 at WR42
Driver at about #153 at WR56
in a 12 teamer that puts Nelson going in about round 8 right now....Driver in about round 12
a good question too would be what exactly does drastically outperforming their draft position mean.....seems like it could be different things for different people....
for me it probably means improving by a 1/3 or more....meaning Jordy would need to finish at WR 29 or better....Driver at 38 or better....
I also like to look at a sleeper as someone I can draft after the "starters" have been drafted but ends up actually being a weekly no brainer starter for me.....so in a 12 team start 3 WR league, it would be any WR drafted after WR36 that ends up putting up top 36 numbers....or in my 1/3 better scenerio maybe top 24...
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bigmiiiiike
Footballguy
I like Roy Helu to be the starter in DC by week 6, if not sooner. Torain and Helu are both so cheap right now that it makes sense to target both.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Breaston played late into the season- he suffered from knee 'soreness' so maybe his role was reduced. However, that isn't anything new with him and everything I've read lately out of Arizona seems to focus on Roberts emerging as that guy since he played well when given the chance. Seems like the same goes for Doucet. Maybe they weren't completely healthy, but they never seem to be anyways...?'Captain Hook said:
loose circuits
Footballguy
I agree with the people that mentioned Gettis he's definitely got some playmaker in him
loose circuits
Footballguy
so are you watching highlight reels? I don't think that would give an accurate picture. He's like David Boston stiff. Small hands too. I just don't see it and I've watched a lot of him being forced to watch Nebraska since I live in Omaha. if you look at his production and character it doesn't lie'Hoss_Cartwright said:
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Hoss_Cartwright
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
QB-Kevin Kolb...the minute he gets traded to AZ its go time.
RB-I like the vets who are going to be released as they can come in and make an immediate impact for teams. In no precise order I like DWill, MBIII, Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Michael Bush, etc...for where some of those guys are drafted they are steals. In best ball leagues there is silly value in the later rounds.
WR-I have a thing for Danario Alexander and until St Louis has a bonafide stud on that team he's s good if not better han anyone and doesn't require much of an investment. At his size I don't see him losing his spot in the top3 rotation.
RB-I like the vets who are going to be released as they can come in and make an immediate impact for teams. In no precise order I like DWill, MBIII, Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas, Michael Bush, etc...for where some of those guys are drafted they are steals. In best ball leagues there is silly value in the later rounds.
WR-I have a thing for Danario Alexander and until St Louis has a bonafide stud on that team he's s good if not better han anyone and doesn't require much of an investment. At his size I don't see him losing his spot in the top3 rotation.
loose circuits
Footballguy
i doubt PT is going to get released since he signed for back-up money and most info I've seen says Mike Bush will be restricted.very surprised to see anyone recommend MBIII. Seems to me like he has more than lost a step. I kinda have similar feelings about Ronnie, but there is still a chance he can have an impact
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't think it matters, as I have doubts that Arizona even resigns Breaston. That money would be better spent elsewhere and they like Roberts and Doucet (when healthy) and already have one of the best WRs in the league.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
MBIII is going in the middle teen rounds, that's an investment I am comfortable with. We're talking about RB4/5 types that have a chance to produce at possible RB2 levels some weeks, that's all I'm tryin to point out. Also like where Ryan Grant is being drafted assuming he comes back from injury.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This could somewhat help a guy like Nelson though.With people focusing on Jennings and Finley...Jordy should see more one on one coverage when split out wide.May not make for a consistent play...but some definite big play possiblities for him this year.'Carolina Hustler said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Frankly I see drafting Marion Barber as a wasted opportunity, even if he was drafted in the last round. I don't see any chance of him producing at RB2 levels. He looks like toast. Where exactly can he end up (after being released by Dallas) that he'll see significant carries? There aren't many teams that even need a back at this point and there are better options than Barber for teams that do.I'm not saying you are wrong for beleiving in Baber, because players have bounced back after looking like they were done before, but for me personally I think there's better players to take chances on for potential diamonds in the rough.
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Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Agreed, but I don't think we can hope for FF starter #'s with Jennings, Finley, and Driver in the mix. Nelson will most likely have a few good games, but unless someone is having bye week/injury issues he'll likely be scoring from the FF bench. Barring an injury to Jennings, Finley, or driver, I don't think there will be enough good games to warrant starting him every week.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
David Boston:2000 - season 2 - 71/1156/72001 - season 3 - 98/1598/8Is that what you're predicting?
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chinawildman
Footballguy
Colin Kaepernick. With Smith's track record of ineptitude I can see Kaepernick coming in and replicating a VY rookie season type of performance. SF has talent at the skill positions, specifically a good TE and receiving RB, both safe havens of rookie QBs. He's fast enough to reel off some rushing yards to overcome INTs. You could do worse with your last pick of the draft.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed...I think Driver's possible involvement hurts him more than Finley.
loose circuits
Footballguy
no, that David Boston, in one year at OSU, had as much production as Niles Paul did in his entire collegiate career. I'm talking about the swollen David Boston that faded out of the league. I do think Niles will be more likely to play ST's and use his size/speed in that area.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
I just don't see Barber as having anything left in the tank. He's lost a step and wasn't that fast to begin with.Grant is a good oneI do like your line of thinking as for vets not getting respect. I think Cotchery is kinda in that area. Likely that only one of Edwards & Holmes will be back so he should be the wr2. Guess it kinda depends on Sanchez's development
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I fall into this trap every year trying to chase his 2006 numbers. At that price it'll likely happen again.Lee EvansFinished WR56 last year. ADP has him at WR56 this year. There is talk of him being more involved. There will be enough passes to go around. He has the skills.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Let me share how I am looking at it and maybe it will shed some light on why I think he will be a steal. The fact that there is going to be a very short free agency period and teams will be looking to sign veterans that can come in and be plugged in right away which Barber will be able to do. He turned 28 in June which isn't that old; we are not talking dynasty, just redraft for this year. You add in that he was hurt last year for most of the season especially after he injured his front quad. Look before last season and this guy had a 4.8, 4.8 and 4.4 ypc avg 3 of the previous 4 seasons. He hauled in 96 recptions in 2007-2008 so he is versatile as a receiver out of the backfield, and also he can be used in short yardage for teams although I know his conversion rate last year was horrific. Before last year he racked up 38 rushing TDs over the past 4 seasons. I think conservatively when he is picked up from another team that we could see a guy with something like 200-850-8Td, 32 rec, 250 yds...1,100 yds and maybe 7-8TDs and some receptions. That is his upside in my opinion. He has a history and if he is part of a 2 back system elsewhere he is likely to produce. Again, we are talking about an RB4/5.
Conversely, at that price it doesn't matter if it happens again. His 37/578/4 came in 12 games and that was still good for a WR56 ranking. At that pace you get 49/771/5 over a full season. Would you really care if you got 40/600/4 out of a guy you took as WR56? I mean, his ADP is lower than his 16 game floor. With just a little more involvement he has a solid chance to hit 65/1000/8. I'll take him as my WR5 with WR2 upside.I fall into this trap every year trying to chase his 2006 numbers. At that price it'll likely happen again.Lee Evans
Grahamburn
Footballguy
When I said "it'll likely happen again," I mean that I'll likely draft him again, especially at that ADP.Conversely, at that price it doesn't matter if it happens again. His 37/578/4 came in 12 games and that was still good for a WR56 ranking. At that pace you get 49/771/5 over a full season. Would you really care if you got 40/600/4 out of a guy you took as WR56? I mean, his ADP is lower than his 16 game floor. With just a little more involvement he has a solid chance to hit 65/1000/8. I'll take him as my WR5 with WR2 upside.I fall into this trap every year trying to chase his 2006 numbers. At that price it'll likely happen again.Lee Evans
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
My thing with the Packers situation especially if Jones is gone, is the drops. Nelson was one of the worst in the NFL in drop percentages, and Driver had his share of big drops as well, which is why I think at some point during the year if they are both struggling Cobb could become a real factorCobb could be a very exciting player from the slot position, and the Packers have the luxury of not trying to force him into the lineup quickly due to already having a solid wr corp to begin with. Not to mention that even though Driver is in good shape, he is 57 years old and has been dinged up each of the last few years, that could also get Cobb into the lineup.
The Gunslinger
Footballguy
Here are a few I like:
QB- Shaun Hill
RB-Addai, Leron McClain
WR- Adrian Arrington, Victor Cruz, Mohammed Massaqui, Julian Edelman, and Kevin Ogeltree.
Stafford can't stay healthy and Hill produces
If Addai is resigned he will start behind an improved O line
McClain-Hillis,Tolbert,....?
Arrington-can Colston stay healthy? Is Meachum any good?
Victor Cruz-I think he beats our Manningham in camp and starts week 1. Beast.
Ogeltree- May be wr3 in Dallas. Playmaker entering 3rd year. Bryant or Austin injury away from solid pt.
Massaqui-Working out with Fitz. Little and Hillis will occupy defense. PPR starter in a west coast offense.
QB- Shaun Hill
RB-Addai, Leron McClain
WR- Adrian Arrington, Victor Cruz, Mohammed Massaqui, Julian Edelman, and Kevin Ogeltree.
Stafford can't stay healthy and Hill produces
If Addai is resigned he will start behind an improved O line
McClain-Hillis,Tolbert,....?
Arrington-can Colston stay healthy? Is Meachum any good?
Victor Cruz-I think he beats our Manningham in camp and starts week 1. Beast.
Ogeltree- May be wr3 in Dallas. Playmaker entering 3rd year. Bryant or Austin injury away from solid pt.
Massaqui-Working out with Fitz. Little and Hillis will occupy defense. PPR starter in a west coast offense.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I'm going to vote QB Tim Tebow
Why?
he was top 5 QB in scoring weeks 15-16 last 2 games 2010 - top 3 if your league rewards well for QB rushing
the DEN WR's are/will be Llyod, Decker,Gaffney, Thomas, Royal, and Moreno
Orton sold his house in Denver, he knows he'll be traded
Tebow will be a top 7-10 QB in 2011 Fantasy speaking ........ and you can get him right now at a very very reasonable asking price I think. The upside is there,
Why?
he was top 5 QB in scoring weeks 15-16 last 2 games 2010 - top 3 if your league rewards well for QB rushing
the DEN WR's are/will be Llyod, Decker,Gaffney, Thomas, Royal, and Moreno
Orton sold his house in Denver, he knows he'll be traded
Tebow will be a top 7-10 QB in 2011 Fantasy speaking ........ and you can get him right now at a very very reasonable asking price I think. The upside is there,
brewer
Footballguy
Who are you talking about?If you mean Darrius Heyward-Bey, he went to Maryland and he really isn't very good at catching footballs.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Based on one preseason game against second/third string DBs?Manningham had 950 yards and 9 TDs last season.'The Gunslinger said:
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I agree...that's not going to happen. IMO Manningham will have a pretty solid hold on the WR2 spot going into the regular season.
cr8f
Footballguy
Too many variables for me to pick Nelson, though he is a hot sleeper at the moment.
The Gunslinger
Footballguy
First off, it's an opinion.2nd, Cruz did his damage against 1st string DBs minus Revis. I know because I watched hard knocks.3rd - Manningham stays in Coughlin and Eli's doghouse for taking plays off and missing route assignments. He is very explosive but is best suited for the WR3 role he held prior to Smiths injury.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Why Amendola over the other STL WRs. They are all sleepers one way or another. I'm liking Clayton personally.
