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Braylon was the 4th best WR in 2007 with the Browns and he has played with the Jets for most of the last two years. The Jets have had more of a run first conservative offense. He is 28 years old and should be in the prime of his career. I think he is a great buy low in dynasty. If he goes to another team I see no reason why he can't be a top 10 fantasy WR.

2007 Stats 80 REC, 1289 yds, 16 TDs.

I think he is capable in the right system of putting up those types of numbers (maybe not with as many TDs).

What do the Sharks think?

 
It may not take much for a team to sign him. Maybe the Cowboys cut Williams and sign Edwards or Seattle, Redskins or 49ers might be good landing spots.

 
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I have a gut feeling if he ends up in Chicago, he could crack the top 15. Cutler would certainly be the most capable passer he has played with.

 
'Sultans said:
I have a gut feeling if he ends up in Chicago, he could crack the top 15. Cutler would certainly be the most capable passer he has played with.
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This is a good point, who's the best QB that's thrown to him? Sanchez? Anderson? Bleh! This guy could definitely surprise with a good QB at the helm: thinking he could sneak into the Top-10 easily.Going to work on acquiring him now. :)
 
He's not the same guy he was in 2007, or the player he was at Michigan. He isn't focused on being great at it shows. He's concerned with modeling and the night life. Yes he has insane speed and a knack for making insane catches, but he'll also be the guy that will consistantly drop balls that hit him between the numbers. His short comings are on him far more than Anderson or Sanchez.

And this is coming from a fan of Michigan.

 
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
He's not the same guy he was in 2007, or the player he was at Michigan. He isn't focused on being great at it shows. He's concerned with modeling and the night life. Yes he has insane speed and a knack for making insane catches, but he'll also be the guy that will consistantly drop balls that hit him between the numbers. His short comings are on him far more than Anderson or Sanchez. And this is coming from a fan of Michigan.
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Braylon did make some great catches last year and some were very clutch like against the Colts to help win that playoff game. But his drops were down, perhaps he has overcome that issue. I think he can still be a beast and if he goes to a team without a true #1 opposite him he can post very good numbers again. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/23/drop-percentage/ Tied for 12th best in the NFL among wr'ers in lowest drop percentage.
 
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
He's not the same guy he was in 2007, or the player he was at Michigan. He isn't focused on being great at it shows. He's concerned with modeling and the night life. Yes he has insane speed and a knack for making insane catches, but he'll also be the guy that will consistantly drop balls that hit him between the numbers. His short comings are on him far more than Anderson or Sanchez.

And this is coming from a fan of Michigan.
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I think you are 100% Wrong...

Reading Rex Ryans book, you get a feel for how much Rex respects Braylon and why he wanted him in NY.

Rex talked about how each week they would break down film and Highlight Plays fo the week that were off the radar, the non-glamour plays that are furthest from ESPN highlights and almost every week Braylon was highlighted for doing all the little things and BLOCKING like a monster... he doesn't get much credit for it but, he might be one of the better blockers in the NFL and one of the reasons the Jets run game is pretty good....

Rex also talks about what a great teammate he is and how hard the guy works at every practice. Coach absolutely gushes about this guy and what it was like to game pla against him.

Rex had pictures of Braylon in his book. Not so much Holmes

I really think Braylon stays in New York.

And if your into stats, those drops you talk about are a few years old now and came mostly in Cleveland when he played with QB's named, ummmm, oh yeah and ummmm, that guy... and ????.

Well, I'm sure your QB doesn't matter much.

 
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
He's not the same guy he was in 2007, or the player he was at Michigan. He isn't focused on being great at it shows. He's concerned with modeling and the night life. Yes he has insane speed and a knack for making insane catches, but he'll also be the guy that will consistantly drop balls that hit him between the numbers. His short comings are on him far more than Anderson or Sanchez. And this is coming from a fan of Michigan.
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I don't remember any significant drops last season and I watched every game. Santonio Holmes and Jerricho Cotchery both had many more drops than Edwards last season. Of course in 2009 he had a number of really devastating ones that left me hoping the Jets would cut ties with him.This past season he made some real clutch plays and showed that if used right he can be very effective and his size and speed are difficult for corners to handle. He also showed to be a very effective and willing blocker on running plays to his side of the field and really made an impact in that regard.He (and Winslow) actually made Anderson look like a good NFL QB, as Anderson forced the ball into them and they made plays. With Sanchez there's been times where it's been on Edwards (mostly 2009) and times where Edwards has made plays on poorly thrown passes.He's a better than average NFL WR and his fanatsy value will depend on where he ends up - I'm hoping the Jets resign him, from a fan's standpoint.
 
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'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
He's not the same guy he was in 2007, or the player he was at Michigan. He isn't focused on being great at it shows. He's concerned with modeling and the night life. Yes he has insane speed and a knack for making insane catches, but he'll also be the guy that will consistantly drop balls that hit him between the numbers. His short comings are on him far more than Anderson or Sanchez.

And this is coming from a fan of Michigan.
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I think you are 100% Wrong...

Reading Rex Ryans book, you get a feel for how much Rex respects Braylon and why he wanted him in NY.

Rex talked about how each week they would break down film and Highlight Plays fo the week that were off the radar, the non-glamour plays that are furthest from ESPN highlights and almost every week Braylon was highlighted for doing all the little things and BLOCKING like a monster... he doesn't get much credit for it but, he might be one of the better blockers in the NFL and one of the reasons the Jets run game is pretty good....

Rex also talks about what a great teammate he is and how hard the guy works at every practice. Coach absolutely gushes about this guy and what it was like to game pla against him.

Rex had pictures of Braylon in his book. Not so much Holmes

I really think Braylon stays in New York.

And if your into stats, those drops you talk about are a few years old now and came mostly in Cleveland when he played with QB's named, ummmm, oh yeah and ummmm, that guy... and ????.

Well, I'm sure your QB doesn't matter much.
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I kind've agree and, honestly, thats one of the reasons I'm not interested in him for dynasty right now. I think a lot of people are hoping he leaves for fantasy purposes and I think the Jets value him more than other teams. If he stays there, I think that does limit his ceiling regardless of how good of a player he is.
 
Latest rumors I've heard on ESPN is that Braylon may be headed to the Panthers... As a Panther fan I would love to see him lined up opposite Steve Smith. As far as fantasy goes, I'm not sure it's any better than the situation he's in in New York... Just my two cents...

 
'laughinboy_2000 said:
Latest rumors I've heard on ESPN is that Braylon may be headed to the Panthers... As a Panther fan I would love to see him lined up opposite Steve Smith. As far as fantasy goes, I'm not sure it's any better than the situation he's in in New York... Just my two cents...
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I just posted in a thread about Sidney Rice going to Carolina but either guy would help the offense alot.
 
'cheese said:
'Reaper said:
'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
He's not the same guy he was in 2007, or the player he was at Michigan. He isn't focused on being great at it shows. He's concerned with modeling and the night life. Yes he has insane speed and a knack for making insane catches, but he'll also be the guy that will consistantly drop balls that hit him between the numbers. His short comings are on him far more than Anderson or Sanchez.

And this is coming from a fan of Michigan.
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I think you are 100% Wrong...

Reading Rex Ryans book, you get a feel for how much Rex respects Braylon and why he wanted him in NY.

Rex talked about how each week they would break down film and Highlight Plays fo the week that were off the radar, the non-glamour plays that are furthest from ESPN highlights and almost every week Braylon was highlighted for doing all the little things and BLOCKING like a monster... he doesn't get much credit for it but, he might be one of the better blockers in the NFL and one of the reasons the Jets run game is pretty good....

Rex also talks about what a great teammate he is and how hard the guy works at every practice. Coach absolutely gushes about this guy and what it was like to game pla against him.

Rex had pictures of Braylon in his book. Not so much Holmes

I really think Braylon stays in New York.

And if your into stats, those drops you talk about are a few years old now and came mostly in Cleveland when he played with QB's named, ummmm, oh yeah and ummmm, that guy... and ????.

Well, I'm sure your QB doesn't matter much.
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I kind've agree and, honestly, thats one of the reasons I'm not interested in him for dynasty right now. I think a lot of people are hoping he leaves for fantasy purposes and I think the Jets value him more than other teams. If he stays there, I think that does limit his ceiling regardless of how good of a player he is.
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I've said this before but my opinion is this:

Holmes has seen what a Top Organization in the NFL looks like - He has won the SuperBowl and has seen the best of times.

Edwards not so much, I think Edwards values the Jets and their organization a lot more than Holmes who hasn't seen what a bad NFL team looks like... Holmes at this point wants $$$$$$$ and that's it.

I think Braylon would take less to stay in NY... Does he want to go to Carolina nd work with a rookie again and unfamilair situation?

As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitley get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....

He had 900/7 last year as a #2 so, the poster who named guys like Berrian is just being silly.

 
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in dynasty I would try to get him now before free agency begins....in redraft he will settle in to where he should be drafted by the time those drafts happen...use not knowing where he will go to your advantage...he will have plenty of people wanting his services and I think he will take less money to go to a place where he can win, make an impact, and have a decent QB....and that could still be NY....I see the arrow pointing up for Edwards

 
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Braylon's comments should make it pretty clear he wants the big city lifestyle. I'd say Chicago and NY are the top bets. If it's Chicago, as mentioned, he's playing with the best QB of his career and is in a Martz offense . . . that's some serious upside.

If he stays in NY it likely means Holmes is gone and Edwards is the true #1 again. Also likely to be a boost in his stats.

Carolina seems so unlikely to me. He'd have to fight the Icon for publicity, would be on a weaker team and in a city that can't compare to Chi/NYC.

Darkhorse to Oakland, just because the pairing with Al Davis is a match made in heaven.

 
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As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitely get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....
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I think this is wishful thinking. In his 38 games playing with the Jets (and by extension Sanchez), Edwards has averaged 2.97 catches, 50.1 yards, and 0.34 TD a game. That works out to 47 catches, 801 yards, and 5 TD projected over a full season. I don't see him getting a 50% jump in yardage and a 100% increase in TD. And from the sounds of it, the Jets would rather have Holmes, so Edwards might be the one looking for work (but clearly that's just speculation).
 
'David Yudkin said:
'Reaper said:
As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitely get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....
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I think this is wishful thinking. In his 38 games playing with the Jets (and by extension Sanchez), Edwards has averaged 2.97 catches, 50.1 yards, and 0.34 TD a game. That works out to 47 catches, 801 yards, and 5 TD projected over a full season. I don't see him getting a 50% jump in yardage and a 100% increase in TD. And from the sounds of it, the Jets would rather have Holmes, so Edwards might be the one looking for work (but clearly that's just speculation).
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I'm not sure if "38" is a typo and/or if that number then factored into your averages (it looks like it did), but Edwards has only played 28 games with the Jets (34 if you count the playoffs). One and a half of those games in 2009 was with Kellen Clemmens at QB because Sanchez was hurt - and Clemmens looked horrible when he replaced Sanchez for the second half of the Buffalo game and then started against TB the next week.Also a few other factors that work against those averages:

- Edwards basically sat out of Week 17 in 2010 (as did most of the starters). He only played one series I beleive. I was at the game. Brunnell started, Clemmens came in. McKnight played RB. Edwards started but was out of the game in a blink of an eye.

- Edwards was "suspended" for one quarter during the Miami game after his DWI.

- Edwards was traded to the Jets mid-season in 2009 from Cleveland so he didn't really have a grasp of the playbook right away or chemistry with Sanchez.

Last season he had 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (as stated above he didn't really play Week 17) as the #2 WR, so while those numbers may be unlikely (I'd say they are a little high), they are not as unreasonable as your "averages" (which I think are even more flawed if you used 38 games) indicate.

 
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'Dr. Octopus said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Reaper said:
As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitely get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....
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I think this is wishful thinking. In his 38 games playing with the Jets (and by extension Sanchez), Edwards has averaged 2.97 catches, 50.1 yards, and 0.34 TD a game. That works out to 47 catches, 801 yards, and 5 TD projected over a full season. I don't see him getting a 50% jump in yardage and a 100% increase in TD. And from the sounds of it, the Jets would rather have Holmes, so Edwards might be the one looking for work (but clearly that's just speculation).
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I'm not sure if "38" is a typo and/or if that number then factored into your averages (it looks like it did), but Edwards has only played 28 games with the Jets (34 if you count the playoffs). One and a half of those games in 2009 was with Kellen Clemmens at QB because Sanchez was hurt - and Clemmens looked horrible when he replaced Sanchez for the second half of the Buffalo game and then started against TB the next week.Also a few other factors that work against those averages:

- Edwards basically sat out of Week 17 in 2010 (as did most of the starters). He only played one series I beleive. I was at the game. Brunnell started, Clemmens came in. McKnight played RB. Edwards started but was out of the game in a blink of an eye.

- Edwards was "suspended" for one quarter during the Miami game after his DWI.

- Edwards was traded to the Jets mid-season in 2009 from Cleveland so he didn't really have a grasp of the playbook right away or chemistry with Sanchez.

Last season he had 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (as stated above he didn't really play Week 17) as the #2 WR, so while those numbers may be unlikely (I'd say they are a little high), they are not as unreasonable as your "averages" (which I think are even more flawed if you used 38 games) indicate.
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:goodposting:

In 2009 Braylon came to NY to play with then rookie Sanchez and try to get acclimated as quick as he could as the Jets offense was running the ball at will....

Last year he played as the #2 WR...

My numbers that I said he "could" get were based on Holmes leaving and BE being the #1 target for a whole season.

It would be the 1st season BE gets to come in from square 1 as THE number 1 target for the season and also Sanchez' 3rd year which should show some improvement on his end as well as a relationship with Edwards...

As for his career with the Jets, and given all that I would say he could certainly break out from whatever he has shown so far, I already know from everything Rex has written and said, that BE is working his tail off to be a better WR and has worked with WR coach Henry Ellard.

Again, he had 900/7 last year.... Why project and look too hard at anything more than what he actually did after the year changing teams and working with a rookie?

 
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'Reaper said:
'Dr. Octopus said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Reaper said:
As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitely get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....
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I think this is wishful thinking. In his 38 games playing with the Jets (and by extension Sanchez), Edwards has averaged 2.97 catches, 50.1 yards, and 0.34 TD a game. That works out to 47 catches, 801 yards, and 5 TD projected over a full season. I don't see him getting a 50% jump in yardage and a 100% increase in TD. And from the sounds of it, the Jets would rather have Holmes, so Edwards might be the one looking for work (but clearly that's just speculation).
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I'm not sure if "38" is a typo and/or if that number then factored into your averages (it looks like it did), but Edwards has only played 28 games with the Jets (34 if you count the playoffs). One and a half of those games in 2009 was with Kellen Clemmens at QB because Sanchez was hurt - and Clemmens looked horrible when he replaced Sanchez for the second half of the Buffalo game and then started against TB the next week.Also a few other factors that work against those averages:

- Edwards basically sat out of Week 17 in 2010 (as did most of the starters). He only played one series I beleive. I was at the game. Brunnell started, Clemmens came in. McKnight played RB. Edwards started but was out of the game in a blink of an eye.

- Edwards was "suspended" for one quarter during the Miami game after his DWI.

- Edwards was traded to the Jets mid-season in 2009 from Cleveland so he didn't really have a grasp of the playbook right away or chemistry with Sanchez.

Last season he had 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (as stated above he didn't really play Week 17) as the #2 WR, so while those numbers may be unlikely (I'd say they are a little high), they are not as unreasonable as your "averages" (which I think are even more flawed if you used 38 games) indicate.
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:goodposting:

In 2009 Braylon came to NY to play with then rookie Sanchez and try to get acclimated as quick as he could as the Jets offense was running the ball at will....

Last year he played as the #2 WR...

My numbers that I said he "could" get were based on Holmes leaving and BE being the #1 target for a whole season.

It would be the 1st season BE gets to come in from square 1 as THE number 1 target for the season and also Sanchez' 3rd year which should show some improvement on his end as well as a relationship with Edwards...

As for his career with the Jets, and given all that I would say he could certainly break out from whatever he has shown so far, I already know from everything Rex has written and said, that BE is working his tail off to be a better WR and has worked with WR coach Henry Ellard.

Again, he had 900/7 last year.... Why project and look too hard at anything more than what he actually did after the year changing teams and working with a rookie?
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Reaper

What percent chance to you give to:

Holmes signing elsewhere

Braylon resigning with NYJ

Both of the above

 
'Kruppe said:
'Reaper said:
'Dr. Octopus said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Reaper said:
As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitely get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....
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I think this is wishful thinking. In his 38 games playing with the Jets (and by extension Sanchez), Edwards has averaged 2.97 catches, 50.1 yards, and 0.34 TD a game. That works out to 47 catches, 801 yards, and 5 TD projected over a full season. I don't see him getting a 50% jump in yardage and a 100% increase in TD. And from the sounds of it, the Jets would rather have Holmes, so Edwards might be the one looking for work (but clearly that's just speculation).
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I'm not sure if "38" is a typo and/or if that number then factored into your averages (it looks like it did), but Edwards has only played 28 games with the Jets (34 if you count the playoffs). One and a half of those games in 2009 was with Kellen Clemmens at QB because Sanchez was hurt - and Clemmens looked horrible when he replaced Sanchez for the second half of the Buffalo game and then started against TB the next week.Also a few other factors that work against those averages:

- Edwards basically sat out of Week 17 in 2010 (as did most of the starters). He only played one series I beleive. I was at the game. Brunnell started, Clemmens came in. McKnight played RB. Edwards started but was out of the game in a blink of an eye.

- Edwards was "suspended" for one quarter during the Miami game after his DWI.

- Edwards was traded to the Jets mid-season in 2009 from Cleveland so he didn't really have a grasp of the playbook right away or chemistry with Sanchez.

Last season he had 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (as stated above he didn't really play Week 17) as the #2 WR, so while those numbers may be unlikely (I'd say they are a little high), they are not as unreasonable as your "averages" (which I think are even more flawed if you used 38 games) indicate.
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:goodposting:

In 2009 Braylon came to NY to play with then rookie Sanchez and try to get acclimated as quick as he could as the Jets offense was running the ball at will....

Last year he played as the #2 WR...

My numbers that I said he "could" get were based on Holmes leaving and BE being the #1 target for a whole season.

It would be the 1st season BE gets to come in from square 1 as THE number 1 target for the season and also Sanchez' 3rd year which should show some improvement on his end as well as a relationship with Edwards...

As for his career with the Jets, and given all that I would say he could certainly break out from whatever he has shown so far, I already know from everything Rex has written and said, that BE is working his tail off to be a better WR and has worked with WR coach Henry Ellard.

Again, he had 900/7 last year.... Why project and look too hard at anything more than what he actually did after the year changing teams and working with a rookie?
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Reaper

What percent chance to you give to:

Holmes signing elsewhere

Braylon resigning with NYJ

Both of the above
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It's all speculation... I can't put a percentage on that. I would have given 90% that Thomas Jones would have stayed last year.... pffft.

It's just my feeling that Holmes is going to get a TON of money in this market as some team is going to be forced to spend their money and be willing to overpay.... And Holmes is going where the money is...

Braylon on the other hand values NY a lot more. And again Rex, from what I read in his book and hear and see all over, absolutely Loves Braylon and has 0 issues in regards to work ethic, play on the field or as a team mate.

It's all 50% ;)

 
'laughinboy_2000 said:
Latest rumors I've heard on ESPN is that Braylon may be headed to the Panthers... As a Panther fan I would love to see him lined up opposite Steve Smith. As far as fantasy goes, I'm not sure it's any better than the situation he's in in New York... Just my two cents...
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If Braylon goes to the Panthers, I don't think Smith will stay
 
'Reaper said:
And if your into stats, those drops you talk about are a few years old now and came mostly in Cleveland when he played with QB's named, ummmm, oh yeah and ummmm, that guy... and ????.Well, I'm sure your QB doesn't matter much.
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I have no problem putting some credit for low catch numbers on a poor QB throwing him the ball.But drops? We're blaming the QB for the ones that actually made it into his mits but he couldn't secure? Comeon, man.
 
'Reaper said:
'Kruppe said:
'Reaper said:
'Dr. Octopus said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Reaper said:
As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitely get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....
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I think this is wishful thinking. In his 38 games playing with the Jets (and by extension Sanchez), Edwards has averaged 2.97 catches, 50.1 yards, and 0.34 TD a game. That works out to 47 catches, 801 yards, and 5 TD projected over a full season. I don't see him getting a 50% jump in yardage and a 100% increase in TD. And from the sounds of it, the Jets would rather have Holmes, so Edwards might be the one looking for work (but clearly that's just speculation).
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I'm not sure if "38" is a typo and/or if that number then factored into your averages (it looks like it did), but Edwards has only played 28 games with the Jets (34 if you count the playoffs). One and a half of those games in 2009 was with Kellen Clemmens at QB because Sanchez was hurt - and Clemmens looked horrible when he replaced Sanchez for the second half of the Buffalo game and then started against TB the next week.Also a few other factors that work against those averages:

- Edwards basically sat out of Week 17 in 2010 (as did most of the starters). He only played one series I beleive. I was at the game. Brunnell started, Clemmens came in. McKnight played RB. Edwards started but was out of the game in a blink of an eye.

- Edwards was "suspended" for one quarter during the Miami game after his DWI.

- Edwards was traded to the Jets mid-season in 2009 from Cleveland so he didn't really have a grasp of the playbook right away or chemistry with Sanchez.

Last season he had 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (as stated above he didn't really play Week 17) as the #2 WR, so while those numbers may be unlikely (I'd say they are a little high), they are not as unreasonable as your "averages" (which I think are even more flawed if you used 38 games) indicate.
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:goodposting:

In 2009 Braylon came to NY to play with then rookie Sanchez and try to get acclimated as quick as he could as the Jets offense was running the ball at will....

Last year he played as the #2 WR...

My numbers that I said he "could" get were based on Holmes leaving and BE being the #1 target for a whole season.

It would be the 1st season BE gets to come in from square 1 as THE number 1 target for the season and also Sanchez' 3rd year which should show some improvement on his end as well as a relationship with Edwards...

As for his career with the Jets, and given all that I would say he could certainly break out from whatever he has shown so far, I already know from everything Rex has written and said, that BE is working his tail off to be a better WR and has worked with WR coach Henry Ellard.

Again, he had 900/7 last year.... Why project and look too hard at anything more than what he actually did after the year changing teams and working with a rookie?
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Reaper

What percent chance to you give to:

Holmes signing elsewhere

Braylon resigning with NYJ

Both of the above
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It's all speculation... I can't put a percentage on that. I would have given 90% that Thomas Jones would have stayed last year.... pffft.

It's just my feeling that Holmes is going to get a TON of money in this market as some team is going to be forced to spend their money and be willing to overpay.... And Holmes is going where the money is...

Braylon on the other hand values NY a lot more. And again Rex, from what I read in his book and hear and see all over, absolutely Loves Braylon and has 0 issues in regards to work ethic, play on the field or as a team mate.

It's all 50% ;)
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So I guess the safe money is on Holmes in a Jet uniform and Edwards not.
 
'Reaper said:
It's just my feeling that Holmes is going to get a TON of money in this market as some team is going to be forced to spend their money and be willing to overpay.... And Holmes is going where the money is...

Braylon on the other hand values NY a lot more. And again Rex, from what I read in his book and hear and see all over, absolutely Loves Braylon and has 0 issues in regards to work ethic, play on the field or as a team mate.

It's all 50% ;)
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The bolded part is going to make the FA Frenzy totally effin wild. Lots of notoriously cheap teams that will have to throw big money around to reach 90% of cap.
 
'Flying Elvis said:
'Reaper said:
It's just my feeling that Holmes is going to get a TON of money in this market as some team is going to be forced to spend their money and be willing to overpay.... And Holmes is going where the money is...

Braylon on the other hand values NY a lot more. And again Rex, from what I read in his book and hear and see all over, absolutely Loves Braylon and has 0 issues in regards to work ethic, play on the field or as a team mate.

It's all 50% ;)
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The bolded part is going to make the FA Frenzy totally effin wild. Lots of notoriously cheap teams that will have to throw big money around to reach 90% of cap.
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I have a feeling these teams will end up not signing the "stars", but bringing in a bunch of "adequate starters", so they have more flexibility to cut/sign players down the road. Regardless of how well/poorly run one of these cheaper teams are, you are not going to see them sign a couple of Haynesworth's to get over the minimum...chance are many will bring in some guys like I mentioned and re-up or give guys on their current rosters a raise.
 
The problem for the Jets is that they are one of the teams who are currently over the cap numbers in thenewly proposed CBA:

Cap situations*

Team Status

Arizona $37.3 million under

Atlanta $13.9 million under

Baltimore $5.33 million under

Buffalo $35.9 million under

Carolina $30.6 million under

Chicago $37. million under

Cincinnati $35.9 million under

Cleveland $33.3 million under

Dallas $18.9 million over

Denver $1 million under

Detroit $16.6 million under

Green Bay $62,600 under

Houston $7.6 million under

Indianapolis $2.7 million over

Jacksonville $31.4 million under

Kansas City $34.3 million under

Miami $13.6 million under

Minnesota $5.1 million over

New England $7.57 million under

New Orleans $11.7 million under

N.Y. Giants $11.3 million over

N.Y. Jets $1.2 million over

Oakland $10 million over

Philadelphia $13 million under

Pittsburgh $10 million over

San Diego $19.4 million under

San Francisco $18.9 million under

Seattle $39 million under

St. Louis $35.6 million under

Tampa Bay $59.2 million under

Tennessee $10.3 million under

Washington $10.6 million under

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Reggie Bush, others on shaky ground
 
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I forgot that Edwards got traded in the middle of a season. So his Jets only numbers (regular and post season) are:

34 games played, 102 receptions, 1765 receiving yards, 13 TD. That projects to 48-830-6 for a full season. That's what he has done to date in New York, and certainly things could change in the future. I still think 2007 was an anomally and the rest of his career would be a better marker of what to expect. His numbers in NY are similar to his career numbers for all years excluding 2007. In 74 regular season games in any season other than 2007, Braylon has produced at a rate of 53-833-5 for a full 16 game season. Not horrible, but nowhere what he did that one season with Cleveland.

 
'David Yudkin said:
I forgot that Edwards got traded in the middle of a season. So his Jets only numbers (regular and post season) are:34 games played, 102 receptions, 1765 receiving yards, 13 TD. That projects to 48-830-6 for a full season. That's what he has done to date in New York, and certainly things could change in the future. I still think 2007 was an anomally and the rest of his career would be a better marker of what to expect. His numbers in NY are similar to his career numbers for all years excluding 2007. In 74 regular season games in any season other than 2007, Braylon has produced at a rate of 53-833-5 for a full 16 game season. Not horrible, but nowhere what he did that one season with Cleveland.
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Other then his amazing 2007 season stats, the rest of his career has been underwhelming given his talent. In fairness, he hasn't played with above average QBs in strong passing focused offensive systems either.
 
He seems like the type to mail it in once he gets a new contract. Hopefully it's incentive-laden.

 
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'David Yudkin said:
I forgot that Edwards got traded in the middle of a season. So his Jets only numbers (regular and post season) are:34 games played, 102 receptions, 1765 receiving yards, 13 TD. That projects to 48-830-6 for a full season. That's what he has done to date in New York, and certainly things could change in the future. I still think 2007 was an anomally and the rest of his career would be a better marker of what to expect. His numbers in NY are similar to his career numbers for all years excluding 2007. In 74 regular season games in any season other than 2007, Braylon has produced at a rate of 53-833-5 for a full 16 game season. Not horrible, but nowhere what he did that one season with Cleveland.
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Once again just strictly looking at his career averages (and even his NY Jet averages) is being a little shortsighted. If you see what else I wrote above (in addition to pointing out that you had the incorrect number of games played as a Jet) there are other mitigating factors that drag down his numbers as a Jet (for one he played about 2 minutes in one game with 40 year old Mark Brunnell playing QB). Also frankly not sure what his numbers as a rookie or second year WR would have to do with what he's capable of right now either.To me the most relevant numbers are what he did during his first full season as a NY Jet (with Sanchez). 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (actually 14 and 3/4 since he was "suspended" by the team) as the WR2 tells me that if Holmes is not back and Edwards is the number one option that 1,000 yards and 9-10 TDs are more likely than 800-5 TDs.
 
'Dawg Pound 69 said:
He seems like the type to mail it in once he gets a new contract. Hopefully it's incentive-laden.
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I really don't think that's been the case in his short time as a Jet. He's really worked hard and even showed up to player organized offseason workouts despite not having a contract (something that Holmes failed to do). The fact that he's been such a ferocious blocker on running playes shows me that he's a team player looking to win. I can't tell you how many times LT or Greene were able to get at least 5 extra yards on sweeps or outside runs because Edwards was taking out the CB.I will give you the fact that he's still a blockhead in many respects (his DWI despte teh fact the Jets have a program in place that provides free car service to any player at any time) shows that. However I don't think he'll ever be a slacker on the field.
 
'Dr. Octopus said:
'David Yudkin said:
I forgot that Edwards got traded in the middle of a season. So his Jets only numbers (regular and post season) are:34 games played, 102 receptions, 1765 receiving yards, 13 TD. That projects to 48-830-6 for a full season. That's what he has done to date in New York, and certainly things could change in the future. I still think 2007 was an anomally and the rest of his career would be a better marker of what to expect. His numbers in NY are similar to his career numbers for all years excluding 2007. In 74 regular season games in any season other than 2007, Braylon has produced at a rate of 53-833-5 for a full 16 game season. Not horrible, but nowhere what he did that one season with Cleveland.
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Once again just strictly looking at his career averages (and even his NY Jet averages) is being a little shortsighted. If you see what else I wrote above (in addition to pointing out that you had the incorrect number of games played as a Jet) there are other mitigating factors that drag down his numbers as a Jet (for one he played about 2 minutes in one game with 40 year old Mark Brunnell playing QB). Also frankly not sure what his numbers as a rookie or second year WR would have to do with what he's capable of right now either.To me the most relevant numbers are what he did during his first full season as a NY Jet (with Sanchez). 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (actually 14 and 3/4 since he was "suspended" by the team) as the WR2 tells me that if Holmes is not back and Edwards is the number one option that 1,000 yards and 9-10 TDs are more likely than 800-5 TDs.
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I'm with you.IF Braylon moves on to another team and has to adjust to a new system on the fly (less offseason this year) with a younger QB, then I'll expect those numbers he had early on with the Jets that Yudkin is looking at.IF he's the number 2 behind Holmes on the Jets like last year I'd expect close to last year 900/7... BUT... IF he's the #1 WR on the Jets with Sanchez taking another step and the two working ou together for another offseason, I'm looking for a bump to 1000 - 1200 yards and 8-10 TD's... That's a big range right there but, the point from the OP is YES, Braylon could possibly touch top 10 WR numbers.I do think Braylon is a changed man and has been rejuvinated playing for a franchise that he at least feels is exciting and in the mix... I think Cleveland and the rotating QB's as well as the expectations on him there brought him down.....
 
IF he's the number 2 behind Holmes on the Jets like last year I'd expect close to last year 900/7...
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That seems like a long shot to me. I'll be very surprised if the Jets can keep both guys with the new cap.
 
I'll tell you the most important thing I got out of this thread and exercise...

At Edwards current ADP in the WR40-50 range I'M BUYING!!!!!!!

I see 2 FBG rankings where he's not even listed :excited:

Here's a guy who finished as WR21 last year and I look at those stats as a floor.

 
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'Workhorse said:
IF he's the number 2 behind Holmes on the Jets like last year I'd expect close to last year 900/7...
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That seems like a long shot to me. I'll be very surprised if the Jets can keep both guys with the new cap.
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Thanks!!That's why I capitalized "IF"........If you followed along I'm guessing Braylon stays and Holmes goes.For fantasy purposes we're trying to look at each possibility.
 
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'Reaper said:
I'll tell you the most important thing I got out of this thread and exercise...

At Edwards current ADP in the WR40-50 range I'M BUYING!!!!!!!

I see 2 FBG rankings where he's not even listed :excited:

Here's a guy who finished as WR21 last year and I look at those stats as a floor.
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Definitely buying as is now. Anyone want to guess what kind of jump we see in his ADP if/when the CBA is done and Holmes leaves + B-Easy stays?

 
'Flying Elvis said:
'Reaper said:
I'll tell you the most important thing I got out of this thread and exercise...

At Edwards current ADP in the WR40-50 range I'M BUYING!!!!!!!

I see 2 FBG rankings where he's not even listed :excited:

Here's a guy who finished as WR21 last year and I look at those stats as a floor.
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Definitely buying as is now. Anyone want to guess what kind of jump we see in his ADP if/when the CBA is done and Holmes leaves + B-Easy stays?
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Taking all this into account, your guess would have to be well above 21 to 45.... In that range Maybe around 30-40, I'm a Tier drafter so, that's not as important to me, he's in a huge tier for me where I sit back and accumulate a few of these guys.

IMO, the interesting thing will be who the Jets sign to replace whoever they lose..... Is that a Simms Walker, is that a Malcom Floyd (Who Rex has praised), Steve Smith (Car)....

That's going to have a great effect on his ranking as well... If they lose Holmes and sign Steve Smith, to me not much has changed rankings wise and Edwards is 1B.

 
I believe the only Steve Smith they can sign would be the one from the Giants. If they wanted Steve Smith of the Panthers, I believe they would have to trade for him (or hope he gets released).

 
That will be an interesting case, especially given the league/nflpa discussion on Goodell's powers in discipline.

"I wouldn't compare myself against Tone, he's a friend as well as a teammate," Edwards said. "He's a great player, I'm a great player. We offer a lot on the field as well as off. So it's just a matter of if we can't get both of them whatever one they want to go with, it's their call really. If it's him I wish him nothing but the best."
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lol @ Braylon. He's right, it's just too bad what they have to offer off the field is generally all negative.
 
'Workhorse said:
Keep in mind, that Braylon's DUI might come with some league discipline this season. If he misses a few games, his value drops quite a bit:

Braylon's DUI guilty plea
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I also think it's just another thing that slightly tilts the scales in him staying with the Jets because they already did their due dilligence and they already have a relationship with Braylon and IMO, other than a possible few game suspension, they believe he's an upstanding citizen and there's a lot worse out there in the NFL landscape especially at WR. Believe me, Rex is a Braylon fan!!!

I think Braylon signs a decent deal if the Jets give it.

"I'm glad that we got it resolved today before free agency is officially open," Edwards said, flanked by his parents. "So that's defintely good for us, but at the same time I don't know you may have some teams that are leery. You may have some teams, hopefully the one I'm standing in now, that are OK with it."

Holmes IMO, is out there looking for Top WR money as if he's not a suspension risk and here we have Braylon, acknowledging his market value just isn't the same while still hoping he's a Jet...

I don't think Holmes cares if he's a Jet.

 
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i am of the opinion that edwards has a lot of talent, and could have upside in the right circumstances (jets minus holmes, bears, for instance)...

2007 was an aberration for edwards, but also derek anderson... he has shown repeatedly since than he isn't a very good QB, so it isn't a huge surprise BE didn't thrive in CLE, outside of the perfect storm season...

edwards does seem to be missing something in the intangibles department, but in terms of a pure physical and athletic specimen, there may not be many NFL WRs as impressive, after andre and calvin johnson...

he has been faulted heavily for drops, but they seemed to subside last year...

it is still an open question how sanchez will develop (if edwards ends up remaining a jet)... he is a gamer who has led his team to playoff wins in his first two seasons, but has disturbingly low completion % numbers...

i think BE was on probation (punching lebron's friend in CLE?) when he received his DUI... this was at a court where the judge reportedly ominously warned him (paraphrasing) it would be a mistake to feel a sense of athletic entitlement, and that it would be best to not be brought before the court again... if i'm not mistaken, jail time could at least be a possibility (?), but not sure about the specifics of when any kind of a probation violation hearing would take place, or if there would be a mechanism to delay it (and any possible sentence) until after the season?

* article from 9-23-2010

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2010/09/whether_or_not_braylon_edwards.html

 
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'Mr Rodgers neighborhood said:
He's not the same guy he was in 2007, or the player he was at Michigan. He isn't focused on being great at it shows. He's concerned with modeling and the night life. Yes he has insane speed and a knack for making insane catches, but he'll also be the guy that will consistantly drop balls that hit him between the numbers. His short comings are on him far more than Anderson or Sanchez.

And this is coming from a fan of Michigan.
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Agreed. Edwards reminds me of a player who likes the $$$$ and fame, but doesn't really love football. :banned:

 
We know he CAN be a top 5 WR in the right situation. He hasn't had that in years. I have no doubt he could return to top 10 form for a team like Chicago or NE.

 
'Workhorse said:
Keep in mind, that Braylon's DUI might come with some league discipline this season. If he misses a few games, his value drops quite a bit:

Braylon's DUI guilty plea
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I wonder if the league and courts cuts him any slack for all he has done in charitable works. He just paid $1 million to send 100 Cleveland kids to college on full scholarships and he doesn't even play in Cleveland anymore. It was a promise he made 4 years prior to a group of 8th graders.
 
'Kruppe said:
'Reaper said:
'Kruppe said:
'Reaper said:
'Dr. Octopus said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Reaper said:
As for Fantasy - If Holmes leaves and it's Braylon / Cotchery... He could definitely get 1200 yards and 10 TDs IMO...

And that Is top 10 from last years stats....
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I think this is wishful thinking. In his 38 games playing with the Jets (and by extension Sanchez), Edwards has averaged 2.97 catches, 50.1 yards, and 0.34 TD a game. That works out to 47 catches, 801 yards, and 5 TD projected over a full season. I don't see him getting a 50% jump in yardage and a 100% increase in TD. And from the sounds of it, the Jets would rather have Holmes, so Edwards might be the one looking for work (but clearly that's just speculation).
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I'm not sure if "38" is a typo and/or if that number then factored into your averages (it looks like it did), but Edwards has only played 28 games with the Jets (34 if you count the playoffs). One and a half of those games in 2009 was with Kellen Clemmens at QB because Sanchez was hurt - and Clemmens looked horrible when he replaced Sanchez for the second half of the Buffalo game and then started against TB the next week.Also a few other factors that work against those averages:

- Edwards basically sat out of Week 17 in 2010 (as did most of the starters). He only played one series I beleive. I was at the game. Brunnell started, Clemmens came in. McKnight played RB. Edwards started but was out of the game in a blink of an eye.

- Edwards was "suspended" for one quarter during the Miami game after his DWI.

- Edwards was traded to the Jets mid-season in 2009 from Cleveland so he didn't really have a grasp of the playbook right away or chemistry with Sanchez.

Last season he had 900 yards and 7 TDs in 15 games (as stated above he didn't really play Week 17) as the #2 WR, so while those numbers may be unlikely (I'd say they are a little high), they are not as unreasonable as your "averages" (which I think are even more flawed if you used 38 games) indicate.
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:goodposting:

In 2009 Braylon came to NY to play with then rookie Sanchez and try to get acclimated as quick as he could as the Jets offense was running the ball at will....

Last year he played as the #2 WR...

My numbers that I said he "could" get were based on Holmes leaving and BE being the #1 target for a whole season.

It would be the 1st season BE gets to come in from square 1 as THE number 1 target for the season and also Sanchez' 3rd year which should show some improvement on his end as well as a relationship with Edwards...

As for his career with the Jets, and given all that I would say he could certainly break out from whatever he has shown so far, I already know from everything Rex has written and said, that BE is working his tail off to be a better WR and has worked with WR coach Henry Ellard.

Again, he had 900/7 last year.... Why project and look too hard at anything more than what he actually did after the year changing teams and working with a rookie?
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Reaper

What percent chance to you give to:

Holmes signing elsewhere

Braylon resigning with NYJ

Both of the above
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It's all speculation... I can't put a percentage on that. I would have given 90% that Thomas Jones would have stayed last year.... pffft.

It's just my feeling that Holmes is going to get a TON of money in this market as some team is going to be forced to spend their money and be willing to overpay.... And Holmes is going where the money is...

Braylon on the other hand values NY a lot more. And again Rex, from what I read in his book and hear and see all over, absolutely Loves Braylon and has 0 issues in regards to work ethic, play on the field or as a team mate.

It's all 50% ;)
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So I guess the safe money is on Holmes in a Jet uniform and Edwards not.
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