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Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)
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bagger
Footballguy
agree. penn st president really needs to run anyone with any remote knowledge of this situation, including joe pa.this whole middle management bull#### excuse is ridiculous.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm not. I want everyone involved to go down for this. Especially the enablers. I don't want an easy way out for Sandusky, he needs to go to jail and suffer as he made others suffer.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Ask your co-workers this question: if the mandatory reporting law didn't exist, would they defend JoePa if he kept silent?A lot of these "mandatory reporting" laws didn't even exist until a few years ago. Since when should you need a law to force you to do the right thing?
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
IMO this is the only resolution at this point.
Hedgehog
Footballguy
I agree and argue that as the "pope of Penn ST" no way he wasnt involved to some extent and his obligations rise higher than most due to the educational connection. Plus the fact that it was his friend and the way things went down makes it look real shady....They said since he wasnt a direct witness what more should he have done and passed the buck to the GA as well as the AD - everyone but Joe Pa.....also said they would have no problem sending their sons to play their under his watch. Dont underestimate the power of ther Paterno legacy .....he's is not going to step down on his own and he will have his defenders
Sconch
Footballguy
Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Authorities condemned Penn State University today for what they called a widespread culture of failing to report the alleged sexual abuse of childrenby assistant football coach Gerald "Jerry" Sandusky.
"This is not a case about football. This is not a case about universities. This is a case about children that have had their innocence stolen and a culture that did nothing to stop it or prevent it from happening to others," said State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan.
School Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President of Finance Gary Shultz were arraigned today on charges of perjury and failure to report abuse.
Sandusky was arrested Saturday and charged with molesting eight boys over the course of 15 years, at least three of which were brought to the attention of employees at Penn State who failed to report the incidences to police.
Head football coach Joseph Paterno, who recently set a record for the most games won by a top division coach, had been told of an eyewitness account by a university staff member of Sandusky having a sexually inappropriate relationship with a boy about the age of 10 in 2002.
Paterno relayed the report to Curley, but did not call police. Paterno was only legally bound to tell his supervisor, which he did, according to the attorney general.
Police are still trying to determine the identity of the boy.
"There aren't many heros involved" in the case, Noonan said.
The commissioner said there had been three instances in which school officials allegedly witnessed Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy, but no one acted to prevent it from recurring.
"I don't think I've ever seen something like this before," Noonan said.
Curly and Shultz, as administrators of the university who knew the details of the eyewitness report and did not notify police, are now charged with perjury and failure to report abuse.
When asked about Paterno, Noonan said, "He is not regarded as a target at this point."
School President Graham Spanier also has not been charged. It is unclear whether Spanier knew the full extent of the allegations.
The allegations against Sandusky include eight named victims who have testified that Sandusky befriended them through the charitable organization he founded, The Second Mile, a group home and outreach program for troubled boys. Sandusky allegedly tried to mentor the boys, plied them with gifts, trips to sporting events, and access to the Penn State football facilities, and then sexually assaulted them.
Sandusky had coached at Penn State for 23 years, and served as the defensive coordinator for 23 years, before retiring in 1999. After his retirement, Sandusky continued to have full access to the school's grounds and an office in the football department, where he brought children from The Second Mile, according to indictment.
Following the incident in 2002, in which Paterno and his supervisors were notified, Sandusky continued to have access to the grounds, showers, and an office in the department.
In two previous incidences, janitors witnessed Sandusky having sexual contact with a boy in the shower but failed to report it for fear of losing their job. The university police were notified by a mother whose son told her about sexual contact with Sandusky on campus grounds. The university police and county district attorney did not press charges and the case was closed.
Curly and Shultz announced they were both stepping down from their positions after an executive session of Penn State's Board of Trustees on Sunday. Their decision follows the arrest Saturday of Sandusky on charges of sexually abusing eight boys in a program he started for at-risk kids.
Spanier made a statement late Sunday that Curley had requested he be placed on administrative leave so he can deal with the allegations, while Schultz will be going back into retirement, The Associated Press reported.
Spanier said Curley and Schultz have his "unconditional support," but state prosecutors say the university failed to follow up on the allegations or to notify police.
Sandusky, once known for grooming star players for the Penn State Nittany Lions, was considered both a possible successor to legendary head coach Joe Paterno and a pillar of the community. He is now free on $100,000 bail and is scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing on Nov. 9, but has been banned from the university campus. He faces life behind bars if convicted.
According to an explicit grand jury indictment Sandusky used his position to recruit young, male victims -- many of whom he allegedly assaulted in campus facilities.
According to the report, in 2002 a graduate assistant said he saw Sandusky having sex with a boy in the showers at the team's practice center. The assistant went to Paterno -- a man who has staked his reputation on running a program known for ethics and integrity -- and Paterno in turn relayed the incident to Curley.
Curley never reported the incident to police, while Sandusky continued to work with children and allegedly continued to abuse several minors over the following years.
On Saturday Sandusky was arrested and charged with 40 counts of sex crimes against eight boys. When questioned at his home by ABC News about the scandal, Sandusky said he was not at liberty to speak about the allegations.
"The situation is in the courts and I'm not to make any comments," he told ABC News. "Unfortunately, unfortunately I'm not in the position to make any statements."
His attorney says Sandusky has maintained his innocence.
"He's very distraught about the charges, the allegations and the knowledge that regardless of whether he eventually proves his guilt or innocence people are going to think that he did this," attorney Joe Amendola said.
"This is not a case about football. This is not a case about universities. This is a case about children that have had their innocence stolen and a culture that did nothing to stop it or prevent it from happening to others," said State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan.
School Athletic Director Tim Curley and Vice President of Finance Gary Shultz were arraigned today on charges of perjury and failure to report abuse.
Sandusky was arrested Saturday and charged with molesting eight boys over the course of 15 years, at least three of which were brought to the attention of employees at Penn State who failed to report the incidences to police.
Head football coach Joseph Paterno, who recently set a record for the most games won by a top division coach, had been told of an eyewitness account by a university staff member of Sandusky having a sexually inappropriate relationship with a boy about the age of 10 in 2002.
Paterno relayed the report to Curley, but did not call police. Paterno was only legally bound to tell his supervisor, which he did, according to the attorney general.
Police are still trying to determine the identity of the boy.
"There aren't many heros involved" in the case, Noonan said.
The commissioner said there had been three instances in which school officials allegedly witnessed Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy, but no one acted to prevent it from recurring.
"I don't think I've ever seen something like this before," Noonan said.
Curly and Shultz, as administrators of the university who knew the details of the eyewitness report and did not notify police, are now charged with perjury and failure to report abuse.
When asked about Paterno, Noonan said, "He is not regarded as a target at this point."
School President Graham Spanier also has not been charged. It is unclear whether Spanier knew the full extent of the allegations.
The allegations against Sandusky include eight named victims who have testified that Sandusky befriended them through the charitable organization he founded, The Second Mile, a group home and outreach program for troubled boys. Sandusky allegedly tried to mentor the boys, plied them with gifts, trips to sporting events, and access to the Penn State football facilities, and then sexually assaulted them.
Sandusky had coached at Penn State for 23 years, and served as the defensive coordinator for 23 years, before retiring in 1999. After his retirement, Sandusky continued to have full access to the school's grounds and an office in the football department, where he brought children from The Second Mile, according to indictment.
Following the incident in 2002, in which Paterno and his supervisors were notified, Sandusky continued to have access to the grounds, showers, and an office in the department.
In two previous incidences, janitors witnessed Sandusky having sexual contact with a boy in the shower but failed to report it for fear of losing their job. The university police were notified by a mother whose son told her about sexual contact with Sandusky on campus grounds. The university police and county district attorney did not press charges and the case was closed.
Curly and Shultz announced they were both stepping down from their positions after an executive session of Penn State's Board of Trustees on Sunday. Their decision follows the arrest Saturday of Sandusky on charges of sexually abusing eight boys in a program he started for at-risk kids.
Spanier made a statement late Sunday that Curley had requested he be placed on administrative leave so he can deal with the allegations, while Schultz will be going back into retirement, The Associated Press reported.
Spanier said Curley and Schultz have his "unconditional support," but state prosecutors say the university failed to follow up on the allegations or to notify police.
Sandusky, once known for grooming star players for the Penn State Nittany Lions, was considered both a possible successor to legendary head coach Joe Paterno and a pillar of the community. He is now free on $100,000 bail and is scheduled to attend a preliminary hearing on Nov. 9, but has been banned from the university campus. He faces life behind bars if convicted.
According to an explicit grand jury indictment Sandusky used his position to recruit young, male victims -- many of whom he allegedly assaulted in campus facilities.
According to the report, in 2002 a graduate assistant said he saw Sandusky having sex with a boy in the showers at the team's practice center. The assistant went to Paterno -- a man who has staked his reputation on running a program known for ethics and integrity -- and Paterno in turn relayed the incident to Curley.
Curley never reported the incident to police, while Sandusky continued to work with children and allegedly continued to abuse several minors over the following years.
On Saturday Sandusky was arrested and charged with 40 counts of sex crimes against eight boys. When questioned at his home by ABC News about the scandal, Sandusky said he was not at liberty to speak about the allegations.
"The situation is in the courts and I'm not to make any comments," he told ABC News. "Unfortunately, unfortunately I'm not in the position to make any statements."
His attorney says Sandusky has maintained his innocence.
"He's very distraught about the charges, the allegations and the knowledge that regardless of whether he eventually proves his guilt or innocence people are going to think that he did this," attorney Joe Amendola said.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
[paxton]####in A![/paxton]
Sconch
Footballguy
Just scrap the whole program and start over. Get rid of that "Nittany" thing and just call them the Lions. The only thing they should keep is the uniforms.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
I think it could be somwhere in the middle of the two. He had to have known something happened, as the GA brought the Sandusky issue to him and in turn he took it "up the ladder".I could see how someone, especially if it was a friend (like in this case), would be willing to turn a blind eye. Maybe Paterno rationalized that what he did was enough, and the responsibility for handling the situation was not only not his, but if the powers that be deemed nothing had occurred or there would be no punishment legally or from the institution, who was he to press it.
I am not condoning that action at all, I just don't think it as black or white as the possibilities you pointed out. My guess is that most of these guys did sweep it under the rug, but probably made enough of an internal attempt to report the sitatuion so they could 1. sleep at night, 2. have plausible legal deniability and 3. not interrupt the cas flow and success of the football program by going directly to the police.
ETA - It's come out now and hopefully all of those involved will pay the correct price, whatever that may be.
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johnnycakes
Footballguy
Of course it does. Paterno might look better if this was a one-time thing and Sandusky just happened to get caught. But it sure looks like there is a long-term pattern of abuse going on there such that, regardless of what was actually reported, Paterno really had to have blinders on, along with a good dose of purposeful forgetting, not to at least suspect something really bad was going on.
I guess I don't see the shades of gray in 1 and 2. If the GA saw what he said, then Sandusky being allowed in the facilities is something Paterno shouldn't have stood for. If the GA didn't see what he said, he should not have been promoted.
Sure, the situation can be rationalized in any number of ways, but those are the options. He could either have believed the allegation or not believed it, and whichever way he chose, his later actions show that he wasn't consistent to that belief.
I think you're right that the main motivation was to keep the reputation of the program intact and to keep the donations flowing in. However Paterno rationalized it to himself the result is that he most likely turned a blind eye to pedophilia accusations that came from someone he trusts enough to promote to an assistant coaching position in order to keep the school's reputation and name clean for a few more years.
the president knew about it too though.
Sconch
Footballguy
[Jim11] Obama? [/Jim11]
there was an incident in a local high school where he was a "volunteer coach" where he got caught by another coach in a compromising situation (in 2006 or 2007)... In 2008 another kid's mother reported the incident, and the school passed it along to the authorities along with the details of the previous compromising incident. They went to work and identified 7 other kids/incidents.
belljr
Footballguy
Thanks. I am sometimes "suspect" when things come out of the blue much much later. This however is not one of those times. I was just curious how/why this was getting uncovered now. I hope the guy gets his balls cut off in prison.....
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
A guy on a Phillies board I read has long claimed to be an "insider". From what I can tell, he is connected somehow with the local State College High School football team and gets most of his info from people who cover both State College high school and college football. He usually has the scoop on things like player discipline and recruiting, but is rarely right when it comes to major stories... anywho... he posted this on December 3rd, 2007...
At the time he posted this, he was trying to make Joe look like an egomaniac who ran Jerry out of the program just to ensure no one was waiting around to take his job. Now it all makes a bit more sense.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
For reference, here is the timeline. What is missing here is when did the grand jury convene, what happened between 2008 and now... was that a 3-year investigation, or what?
whoknew
Footballguy
Sandusky was arrested over the weekened, Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury, and the grand jury testimony was released.
belljr
Footballguy
Not sure if what they say in that timeline how I feel about Paterno. It says the next day he tells HIS higher up that an asisstant saw this behavior. They then talk to the assisstant directly.Maybe (benefit of the doubt) - Joe thought it was being handled, with the proper authorities etc.
That's all I have about Joe Pa - the rest of the creeps can die.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
what's scary is how many others there could be in this time frame...2000 to 2002...2002 to 2005...we can probably assume the sick #### just didn't stop doing it during these times
1977 - 1998...
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
That's the cowardly easy way out. He needs to go to trial and look these kids in the eye today and then suffer worse than they suffered by the hands of hardened felons.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Just realized Jerry Sandusky published an autobiography in 2001. Also available in leatherbound edition.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
That's really nice that he decided not to talk to him any more. What he needed to do was make sure he couldn't continue to abuse more boys. Not only didn't he do that, he didn't even stop it from happening in the same building in which he worked.
johnnycakes
Footballguy
Hedgehog
Footballguy
Thats the Pro-Paterno argument - in reality though he runs that place...I dont buy that he passed it up the chain of command and knew nothing else about it...it was his former DC and friend for years...plus he let the guy hang around after with kids so if he wasnt sure what the result was he certainly should have followed up then....DA alluded to that today
been mentioned several times earlier in this thread
mozzy84
Footballguy
WTF that is just awful.
Hedgehog
Footballguy
jeez I cringe every time I read more...but what the hell...GA sees a helpless kid getting raped and walks away? What a gutless action or rather inaction....any interaction could have saved that kid and possibly many others - he didnt have to be Batman or anything - just a "what the hell is going on!" - sickening all around....
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I know. To abandon a child in need like that is unbelievable and unforgivable. If the kid was drowning in a pool would he have run away as well? Despicable behavior!!
I'd be shocked if Paterno coaches another season. He should be ####canned immediately but he'll finish out the season I presume.
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Fat Nick
Footballguy
I know I'm in the minority here, but honestly, I think if I were in that situation (not hypothetically, without feeling or emotional vested interest, like, in a message board) and I saw someone who was a mentor, a person who I held to some level of esteem, a person with a good reputation, who I felt was to be trusted, doing something like that, something SO out of perceived character, I might have done exactly what McQueary did. It'd be like seeing a ghost. I think my first reaction would be to step away as I'd need time to process what I saw. Then I'd seek out an authority figure. Like McQueary did. I know the knee-jerk reaction is to say "I'd have stepped in and saved that boy!" Much the same way people say that if they saw an old lady getting robbed at knife-point they'd step in...but in reality, I think there's a lot more to this decision that you can't really quantify in hypotheticals.
already mentioned several times on this page.'proninja said:
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Well, now you can add protector of forced child buggerers to class and decency in your description of your hero.'timschochet said:
I could see someone not running into the showers and stopping it. But to not even pick up a phone and call the police is indefensible.
Walton Goggins
Footballguy
Pedophiles are similar to serial killers...when they get caught it's never their first time. This isn't someone who cheated on his wife with another woman this is something that's hardwired that can never be cured and the only way to stop this behavior is to eliminate them. If he doesn't off himself the prison system will take care of him. This guy has had free access to hundreds of kids for decades. Sure when this first came up JoePa, etc. thought by telling him to never do it again then he would simply never do it again. When things got way out of hand with multiple acts I am sure happened they had to go into "save my ### and cover it up" mode.
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If Paterno has any class he'd stop down immediately. Not classy to be thinking about your legacey when children are getting raped on your watch. That bell has been rung. Would be dignified to step down immediately and apologize for not doing more then the bare minimum.
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Todd Andrews
Footballguy
PSU = Pedophile State University
Hedgehog
Footballguy
If he hasnt stepped down yet he wont unless public outcry starts affecting donations
This story is just beginning. Within a couple of weeks these kids will be on televsion talking about how they were showering with grown men in Paterno's locker room.
General Malaise
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Catholics still cheer on the pope.
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