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Brother is a serial Killer (1 Viewer)

Something I wonder - do you feel like you'd recognize this in other people? With the benefit of hindsight and the experience of knowing/living with your brother and with the amount of time and energy you've obviously spent trying to come to grips with this, is it your opinion that if you spent a substantial amount of time with a serial killer you'd just "know" he/she is that kind of person at this point?

I ask because I'd imagine it's pretty tough to trust people these days. I wonder how you've dealt with that issue.

 
Thank you for sharing. It's sad to see the fragility of our choices in life. I read your words and wonder if things could have worked out different for him before he killed. He of course has to answer for his actions but you wonder what small moments could be big ones for all of us.

Do you love your brother still?

How would or will you explaon him if you have kids.

 
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'Brock Middlebrook said:
'Chadstroma said:
'netnalp said:
I don't know why she believes this. She just says she thinks he's still alive and just talks about the odd things about the "accident", doesn't add anything new. She's old but seems pretty sharp. At 106 she's on facebook and email. I don't know if it's a case where with my Grandfather gone she feels free to discuss her conspiracy theories or that with him gone she can reveal secrets she actually knows about.
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Why would the friend get the keys and article mailed to him? That sounds awfully curious...
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Sounds like suicide, Brad Delp style
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OR sounds like he's saying he knows about CO2 poisoning, so he did not die that way and here are the keys to get my stuff for me.
 
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Ned said:
'Buck Bradcanon said:
Evil Next Door book on the topic that netnalp mentioned previously.
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netnalp - you mentioned a specific piece of this book. Have you read the entire thing? That's quite amazing that you'd be able to read it. Is it worth the read?
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The book was published in 2010. Netnalp account here is from 2005.
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I have no idea what this means. The question asked if he was able to read through the whole thing given how personal it was to him.
 
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'shadyridr said:
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
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[non sequitor denials of being a diddler]
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You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
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:goodposting: He seems waaaaay too defensive about this. Its quite unsettling actually. I hope Im just reading too much into it
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Yeah, that really stands out for me as well, both times he's mentioned it. Creepy
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Ned said:
'Buck Bradcanon said:
Evil Next Door book on the topic that netnalp mentioned previously.
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netnalp - you mentioned a specific piece of this book. Have you read the entire thing? That's quite amazing that you'd be able to read it. Is it worth the read?
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The book was published in 2010. Netnalp account here is from 2005.
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I have no idea what this means. The question asked if he was able to read through the whole thing given how personal it was to him.
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O. I thought Ned was implying he's just copying everything out of the book. My bad I guess.
 
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'randall146 said:
'shadyridr said:
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
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[non sequitor denials of being a diddler]
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You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
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:goodposting: He seems waaaaay too defensive about this. Its quite unsettling actually. I hope Im just reading too much into it
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Yeah, that really stands out for me as well, both times he's mentioned it. Creepy
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5 other people agreed but it seems all those posts were deleted?Anyway, one thing I dont understand about why he is so defensive about not being a pedophile. The criminal acts both of his brothers committed had nothing to do with pedophilia. One of his brothers raped and murdered women and his other brother watched women getting dressed and was obsessed with (Im assuming) legal porn. So Im not getting the whole connection to why hes so defensive about not being a pedophile. Wondering if he can answer this.
 
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Ned said:
'Buck Bradcanon said:
Evil Next Door book on the topic that netnalp mentioned previously.
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netnalp - you mentioned a specific piece of this book. Have you read the entire thing? That's quite amazing that you'd be able to read it. Is it worth the read?
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The book was published in 2010. Netnalp account here is from 2005.
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I have no idea what this means. The question asked if he was able to read through the whole thing given how personal it was to him.
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O. I thought Ned was implying he's just copying everything out of the book. My bad I guess.
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Kind of a strange thing to ask IMO.
 
'shadyridr said:
'randall146 said:
'shadyridr said:
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
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[non sequitor denials of being a diddler]
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You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
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:goodposting: He seems waaaaay too defensive about this. Its quite unsettling actually. I hope Im just reading too much into it
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Yeah, that really stands out for me as well, both times he's mentioned it. Creepy
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5 other people agreed but it seems all those posts were deleted?Anyway, one thing I dont understand about why he is so defensive about not being a pedophile. The criminal acts both of his brothers committed had nothing to do with pedophilia. One of his brothers raped and murdered women and his other brother watched women getting dressed and was obsessed with (Im assuming) legal porn. So Im not getting the whole connection to why hes so defensive about not being a pedophile. Wondering if he can answer this.
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I would like to hear an answer as well. I could see that he is a little on edge about being accused of doing anything illegal because of his family background. I don't think these question are a hijack at all it's a valid question. Now who plays who in a movie well that may not be needed.
 
'Sea Duck said:
Netnalp, do you ever feel guilty? Do you ever look back at things you did as a kid and wonder if they might have contributed to your brother's condition?
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I don't feel that I am responsible for contributing to my brother's mind set that led him to kill. Any things I did towards him that were mean spirited I feel were retaliatory. I tried to avoid him and he would seek me out to harass. I think like most bullies, he had low-self esteem. By antagonizing me, it would give him an ego boost, an adrenaline rush to improve his own mood. I don't feel guilt. I do get angry at my brother for the people he killed. It's not just the bodies that he left. It's also that in taking those lives, he wiped out whole generations of someones family. Future progeny now extinct. That's what bugs me.
 
'netnalp said:
'Sea Duck said:
Netnalp, do you ever feel guilty? Do you ever look back at things you did as a kid and wonder if they might have contributed to your brother's condition?
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I don't feel that I am responsible for contributing to my brother's mind set that led him to kill. Any things I did towards him that were mean spirited I feel were retaliatory. I tried to avoid him and he would seek me out to harass. I think like most bullies, he had low-self esteem. By antagonizing me, it would give him an ego boost, an adrenaline rush to improve his own mood. I don't feel guilt. I do get angry at my brother for the people he killed. It's not just the bodies that he left. It's also that in taking those lives, he wiped out whole generations of someones family. Future progeny now extinct. That's what bugs me.
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I know it's been said many times. But it's impressive how well you can handle this terrible things in your life.I'm curious do you partake in drugs or alcohol at all? I would think with the things that have happened in your past that you would have to stay away from negative habits.
 
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'ODoyleRules said:
You seem to have spent a lot of energy looking for a moment when your brother was abused or affected that would have been the catalyst for all of this. Don't you think it's possible that he was just born with different wiring that caused his actions?

Lots of people have upbringings similar to your family and not all of them are prone to murder (including yourself and your other brothers). I obviously don't know the first thing about you or your family but I'm just surprised that you have an interest in psychology and yet you don't chalk up his actions up to mental illness.
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I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like Socially Awkward Penguin.
 
'Limp Ditka said:
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Ned said:
'Buck Bradcanon said:
Evil Next Door book on the topic that netnalp mentioned previously.
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netnalp - you mentioned a specific piece of this book. Have you read the entire thing? That's quite amazing that you'd be able to read it. Is it worth the read?
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The book was published in 2010. Netnalp account here is from 2005.
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You mean the book wasn't published before the events happened?
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:lmao:
 
'Bob Sacamano said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Wooderson said:
Kind of a strange thing to ask IMO.
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can you explain why you think this was a strange thing to ask? asking if he read the book and whether it was worthwhile?
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"Hey, that book about your brother killing people - is, is that a pretty good read?"That doesn't strike you as a little strange?
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well, it could be a horrible or misleading book.one of the reviews at Amazon basically indicated something similar.

I thought the OP brought up the book first anyway.

 
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'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Wooderson said:
Kind of a strange thing to ask IMO.
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can you explain why you think this was a strange thing to ask? asking if he read the book and whether it was worthwhile?
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Maybe he didn't mean it this way but when I first saw the post. It came off as a casual how was the book is it worth me picking up and giving it a read. I know if I was in his place I wouldn't want people to ask for my review on the book about my brothers crimes.Just my opinion.
 
'shadyridr said:
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
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No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far.

I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.

Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.
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You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
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:goodposting: He seems waaaaay too defensive about this. Its quite unsettling actually. I hope Im just reading too much into it
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Please stop with the insinuations, guys. He's being honest about it and given his family history he has a right to feel defensive about how it looks for him to hang out with kids. An actual pedophile wouldn't even post what he's posted. It's unfortunate that he has too, but I think he's doing the right thing by removing any possibility of impropriety with kids.
 
'Chadstroma said:
'netnalp said:
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'General Malaise said:
I don't know. The shoddy police work is inexcusable and I hope there aren't any unsolved murders out there.. :unsure:
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the police in raleigh found a list of women's names, and directions to women's houses in drew's apartment. to the OP, what became of drew's dog?
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The dog Vane, came home to Michigan and lived with my mother. The day Drew died, the dog began to show signs of being ill. He stopped eating and after a couple of days I came over and noticed a foul odor. Apparently the dog had advanced leukemia and developed a blood clot that blocked off blood flow to the tongue. The tongue rotting was what caused the odor. He was about 13 years old, so he was put down. He probably wouldn't have survived the chemotherapy."the police in raleigh found a list of women's names, and directions to women's houses in drew's apartment."What's really creepy is there was a girl that lived two floors above Drew that would leave her door unlocked while she walked her dog. According to the police, Drew must have snuck into her apartment and found the video tape buried in a trunk of hers, made a copy and at a later time put the original video tape back. Because she still had it after my brother was arrested.
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What was on the video tape?
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I think it was prom or graduation stuff. It was in the book I mentioned earlier. It's not like the tape was something he was going after. The book said the girl would walk her dog for about 15 minutes. So I conclude from that, that he'd gone into her apartment for a couple of minutes at a time. I'd think he'd have to have gone in there many times to search her apartment to come across that tape. That's scary. A predator studying you in such detail that they know how much time they have to get in, get a little more info and get out without you knowing.
 
'netnalp said:
'comfortably numb said:
Did your brother have any fascinations with serial killers in general at a younger age?I'm asking...for a friend of mine
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Not that I knew of. His big interests as a kid were money, WWF wrestling, his pet cats and fish, sci/fi fantasy books, pocket knives. As and adult, video games and pornography.
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:unsure:Surely as an adult he had some other interests... right?Also asking for a friend of mine.
 
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'cstu said:
Please stop with the insinuations, guys. He's being honest about it and given his family history he has a right to feel defensive about how it looks for him to hang out with kids. An actual pedophile wouldn't even post what he's posted. It's unfortunate that he has too, but I think he's doing the right thing by removing any possibility of impropriety with kids.
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:confused: What family history with kids?
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His family history of criminals and perverts. It doesn't have to be the EXACT same crime.Not that hard to comprehend.

 
'shadyridr said:
'cstu said:
'shadyridr said:
'TheWick said:
'netnalp said:
'dgreen said:
Not sure if has been covered yet. netnalp, do you have kids? What's your own family status right now?
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No kids for me at this time. Mainly because I haven't found the right person to marry. But I also have concern, based on my immediate family, that my #### might be filled with genetic poison.I've been seeing the same woman for just under 2 years. Things look good so far.

I get along great with the kids of friends and relatives. And by "great" I mean in an appropriate way, not the former Penn State Assistant Coach way. My mom ran a daycare that I attended as a kid. Some of that stuck, because that's what I do with kids, the arts and crafts, games, drawing, and science stuff I learned back then. I try to get them away from the TV and video games. Most adults do the same stuff, ask the kids about school, do the "got your nose" thing, maybe wrestle a bit. That's played out.

Like I wrote before, all this has made me a little paranoid. So I try not to be alone with someones kids. Not because I have issues or urges to do something wrong. I just want to avoid the impression that I've had the opportunity. Mainly because I know a "perp-walk", suspect or brought in for questioning is front page news. No longer a suspect and cleared are lucky to make the first section of the paper.
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You seem awfully hung up on this.Either your a pedo or you are not. If you are not, quit talking about it. If you are, seek help.
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:goodposting: He seems waaaaay too defensive about this. Its quite unsettling actually. I hope Im just reading too much into it
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Please stop with the insinuations, guys. He's being honest about it and given his family history he has a right to feel defensive about how it looks for him to hang out with kids. An actual pedophile wouldn't even post what he's posted. It's unfortunate that he has too, but I think he's doing the right thing by removing any possibility of impropriety with kids.
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:confused: What family history with kids?
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The family history of abusive people, perverts and killers, numbnuts.
 
Been following this thread and was stunned cause I saw this on Forensic Files or one of those shows.

I appreciate you sharing, netnalp.

 
'One said:
Been following this thread and was stunned cause I saw this on Forensic Files or one of those shows. I appreciate you sharing, netnalp.
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Same here. Appreciate your transparency in this. It was Forensic Files. I remember his episode. I think it's the one where the police watched him outside his job on smoke breaks, hoping to catch his DNA. He'd always put them out and take them inside with him. Then I think he planted someone else's DNA on a butt or a plastic bottle or something to throw off the police he knew were watching him.
 
'doowain said:
'One said:
Been following this thread and was stunned cause I saw this on Forensic Files or one of those shows. I appreciate you sharing, netnalp.
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Same here. Appreciate your transparency in this. It was Forensic Files. I remember his episode. I think it's the one where the police watched him outside his job on smoke breaks, hoping to catch his DNA. He'd always put them out and take them inside with him. Then I think he planted someone else's DNA on a butt or a plastic bottle or something to throw off the police he knew were watching him.
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The OP wrote about this earlier.
 
'=Smackdown= said:
Fascinating read and thanks for sharing.For very good and obvious reasons you sound very cold towards your brother. When did you stop caring about him? Did you ever care about him?You guys were only a year apart - did you play together or was he always mean towards you?
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The only times we'd play together was when we were playing with neighborhood kids or with our older brothers. It would be extremely rare that we'd play just he and I together. Most times I tried that, it would turn into him trying to push my buttons. I can understand I come off as cold towards him. I had some caring, because I had concerns about his reclusive lifestyle. I couldn't imagine he was happy and wished he'd get counseling. If he were ever to have come to me for help, I would have. I wouldn't have held a grudge. As we got into college he was less antagonistic to me. I would do nice things for him but it never got him to open up. Like when he was living nearby, I'd invite him to join my Fantasy Football league, and go fishing. Still, he'd rarely talk. He'd usually reply in grunts and nods. Very hard to get close to someone that has so much guard up. The only times he ever spoke more than a few words and revealed some personality was when he'd talk crap about one of my other brother's wives or when trash talking over a football game.I have friends that have brothers that they are very close too. They can confide in their sibling, they can count on support from them. I've never had that. For some people, they feel blood relation is a strong bond. For me, it's more like you don't get to choose who your related to but you can choose your friends. So I do have close bonds, but they are with men and women that friends and not siblings.
 
'Wooderson said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Wooderson said:
Kind of a strange thing to ask IMO.
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can you explain why you think this was a strange thing to ask? asking if he read the book and whether it was worthwhile?
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Maybe he didn't mean it this way but when I first saw the post. It came off as a casual how was the book is it worth me picking up and giving it a read. I know if I was in his place I wouldn't want people to ask for my review on the book about my brothers crimes.Just my opinion.
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It absolutely wasn't meant that way. He's decided to recant in vivid detail to a bunch of strangers, it's only natural curiosity for all of us to start asking questions. I wanted to know if he thought the reporter's version was worth a darn. Between his POV we're getting here and her book, it may paint a pretty interesting picture. I'm truly fascinated.Poorly choiced words on my part.
 
Wow! I'm sure lad I decided to read this. Now I want to see that episode of Forensic Files. Thanks netnalp for sharing this. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.

 
'yellowdog said:
Wow! I'm sure lad I decided to read this. Now I want to see that episode of Forensic Files. Thanks netnalp for sharing this. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.
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Maybe someone could get an episode number ot title. I bet its available somewhere like on demand, netflix, or prime
 
Shady, your life sucks right now. We know because you ##### about it constantly. That doesn't mean you should be a cynical ##### to everyone else though.

 
'doowain said:
'One said:
Been following this thread and was stunned cause I saw this on Forensic Files or one of those shows. I appreciate you sharing, netnalp.
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Same here. Appreciate your transparency in this. It was Forensic Files. I remember his episode. I think it's the one where the police watched him outside his job on smoke breaks, hoping to catch his DNA. He'd always put them out and take them inside with him. Then I think he planted someone else's DNA on a butt or a plastic bottle or something to throw off the police he knew were watching him.
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:mellow:
 
'Chadstroma said:
'Parmcat said:
Just read this whole thread....Thank you for sharing.....facinating, in a wierd, sad way.Drew really sounds like a Narcissistic Sociopath. I think it is very very odd to have 2 members of one family be peepers also. Was there ever any speculation at all of any abuse towards the brothers by anyone...family or not?I am also impressed by your strength!
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Reading through the thread the one thing that has struck me was the narcissism. I suppose the lack of or inability to have empathy for others is a prerequisite for being a murderer. netnalp, do you agree that your brother was narcissistic? Did you know about his intense jealousy and view that you were favored as a child or was that only revealed later as in the response to the letter talking about throwing the logs into the car, etc? Have you thought about writing a book on the subject?
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Yes, I would say he was narcissistic. But he kept it internally. He wouldn't vocalize that he felt upset emotionally. When he talked of fairness it was always about material things. It was like a business transaction. He'd get loud and angry to get his way but he wouldn't cry and act sad about it. I believe that would be showing weakness.His jealousy always seemed to be there. My brothers and I have discussed the "fairness" of treatment. We agree mom was equally attentive and caring. With my dad it was more who bore the brunt of his physical and mental abuse. Attention from dad was a bad thing. The oldest two feel I got the worst of it. I feel the oldest got the worst. And what is telling to me is that Drew was the only one that named himself as getting the worst. Especially when the older two brother and I agree that Drew got the least amount of negative attention from our father. I wish I'd have known back then, I'd have gladly shared some of dad's attention with Drew.
 
'cosjobs said:
'yellowdog said:
Wow! I'm sure lad I decided to read this. Now I want to see that episode of Forensic Files. Thanks netnalp for sharing this. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.
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Maybe someone could get an episode number ot title. I bet its available somewhere like on demand, netflix, or prime
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Season 8, Episode 38 - Calculated CoincidenceA young woman is found dead in her apartment. There's little evidence at the scene, leads don't pan out and the case turns cold... until police discover a link between their prime suspect and an unsolved murder committed six years earlier in a different state. TV-14 VAirdate: February 6th 2009
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Edit: Netflix doesn't have it on Instant but does have the disc - Collection 7, Disc 1.
 
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'Disco Stu said:
'cosjobs said:
'yellowdog said:
Wow! I'm sure lad I decided to read this. Now I want to see that episode of Forensic Files. Thanks netnalp for sharing this. Thoughts and prayers for you and your family.
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Maybe someone could get an episode number ot title. I bet its available somewhere like on demand, netflix, or prime
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Season 8, Episode 38 - Calculated Coincidence

A young woman is found dead in her apartment. There's little evidence at the scene, leads don't pan out and the case turns cold... until police discover a link between their prime suspect and an unsolved murder committed six years earlier in a different state. TV-14 V

Airdate: February 6th 2009
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Edit: Netflix doesn't have it on Instant but does have the disc - Collection 7, Disc 1.
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Thanks, found it pretty inexpensive on amazon for $9.
 
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