timschochet
Footballguy
Why insult him? And why call him racist? I may not agree with Christo, but he is no racist. I challenge you to post a single racist thing Christo has ever written in this thread or anywhere else.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
sooo...no blood dripped onto the front of your shirt?Fair enough. Still think it looks awfully suspicious, but who knows?I took an elbow playing hoops in high school. Broke my nose. Blood coming from both nostrils, but nothing crazy. The athletic director put a locker towel over my face, set my nose, stuffed my nostrils and told me to ice it still it stopped bleeding and go home. When I got home my parents had no idea I had a broken nose. The next morning two black eyes gave it away.
Clinton
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I have to agree. But what about Chaos Commish's argument? If this is true, must we believe the police is lying, the fire department is lying, the witness named "John" is lying- how do you guys rectify all of this?
I am pretty sure the lead investigator does not have a law licence, so by what basis is he judging the legal defense of the case. He should not be stating legal opinions, all he is doing is making reckless statements which will make him look bad on the witness stand.. Everything out of his mouth shows a clear bias against Zimmerman, and his absolute statements are opinion and not fact. He looks extremely bias and unresonable.ummmmm.........As I stated many times, the lead investigator appears very biased. I think it is inappropriate for an investigator to make such statements. He is playing judge and juror. He should be gathering facts and keeping his opinions to himself.The mom of the 13 year old is on TV right now and is also saying that when the cops interviewed son, they asked a bunch of leading questions- such as asking what color shirt was the person on the ground, suggesting different colors (like red???) even though it was too dark for the kid to see.
The lead investigator told the mother, "This is absolutely not self defense. There's been some stereotyping going on here. Read between the lines".
timschochet
Footballguy
Come on Jon, really??? He's the friggin lead investigator!! He's not a judge. If he thinks Zimmerman is guilty, then he's SUPPOSED to be biased against Zimmerman. And he's supposed to give his opinion. That's what lead investigators do.I think this case has made a lot of people lose their ability to think rationally. I mean, are you kidding me?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Well we havent heard a word from any fire dept emergency personnel and i doubt we will.The cops are under investigation by the FBI for the way this and other cases have been handled. Cant speak for john but all he said was one guy was on top of another guy and the guy on the bottom was screaming. That doesnt mean the guy on the bottom was getting his ### kicked . They could have been wrestling with no real punches being thrown or landed. Maybe they were fighting over the gun, that makes as much sense as anything, and it would explain the screaming, fear will cause that .I have to agree. But what about Chaos Commish's argument? If this is true, must we believe the police is lying, the fire department is lying, the witness named "John" is lying- how do you guys rectify all of this?
Okay, you defended my honor
I think this case has made a lot of people lose their ability to think rationally. I mean, are you kidding me?
so I guess I should respond. He's supposed to give his opinion to his bosses and the prosecutors but not the mother of a witness.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yes I agree with you. That may very well have been unethical. But jon thinks that because of this we should dismiss everything he says as "biased and unreasonable". And that's ridiculous. He's the guy with the most information, and whatever he says is vital.Okay, you defended my honor
I think this case has made a lot of people lose their ability to think rationally. I mean, are you kidding me?
How can he make absolute statements that so and so is lying and so and so has absolutely no defense. Obviously there are conflicting accounts, and the investigator can have an opinion, but his statements are absolutes. His superiors did not think the case was so cut and dry. The facts that are coming out do not seem so cut and dry. If there were injuries, why did he leave that detail out. The guy is a loose canon and it hurts his credibility whether you think so or not. An investigator should be seeking truth and not an agenda.
I think this case has made a lot of people lose their ability to think rationally. I mean, are you kidding me?
I'll make this prediction right now, the lead investigator will be a major stumbling block if this ever goes to court.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I agree with this....but you cant just discount what he said, whether he should have said it or not. After seeing that arrest video im sure that the lead investigator saw the same thing. If you have a guy saying what zimmerman said and then you dont see any real signs of a life and death struggle , no blood or wounds or torn clothes, then your going to have a lot of doubt hes telling the truth.
My point was I don't believe he said it to her.
Witz
Footballguy
Less than 30 minutes earlier -
Respectfully, take a step back and just stop posting for a day or so.
He can have doubts and he can explain what facts seem in doubt based on the evidence. But sayin there is no defense and Zimmerman is lying are over generalized opinions which show he is prejudiced against the defendant. Investigators need to stick to facts, and not color the facts.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Has the lead investigator publicly said that he thinks Zimmerman was lying? Has he said that there were no injuries?
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
well the fact that shes on record some time ago saying he said what he said, and then NOW it comes to light that hes saying on the record that he thought zimmerman should have been arrested and charged, makes me think she`s telling the truth.
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cstu
Footballguy
His friend claims he went to a doctor the next day for his broken nose. I'm sure the doctor will be called in as a witness.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Maybe hes distancing himself from the other cops at the scene that night, seeing the FBI is investigating them.
cstu
Footballguy
Thank you, my good man.
Yenrub
Footballguy
After looking at that picture am I supposed to believe that they treated him for a broken nose at the scene and there was no blood on his grey t-shirt or blue jeans? Did they let him change clothes before they took him in?Hell last week at my kids soccer practice a kid got hit in the nose with the ball and his nose bled for almost 5 minutes there was blood all over the kids clothes and his nose wasn’t broken.
identikit
Footballguy
He was almost 100% sure about 30 pages ago.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Honest question: What is Zimmerman's motivation to kill Martin, if not in self defense?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
He's nucking futs.
New here. Tim can debate himself endlessly.
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cstu
Footballguy
I've gone back and forth over this. At first I thought Zimmerman was guilty because he initiated the contact, then I thought it might actually be self-defense because Trayvon was beating him against the sidewalk but now after seeing him look ok and not covered in blood I'm leaning to Zimmerman being so pissed off at this kid kicking his ### that he shot him in the heat of the moment out of anger.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
OK. I get the over aggressive neighborhood watch guy, but are you saying he just decided to kill the kid? Or that he got too close and during the struggle killed him and should be jailed on involuntary manslaughter?
pantagrapher
Footballguy
John didn't say anything about the extent of Zimmerman's injuries, did he? I don't remember details about his injuries from the fire department either. I believe it's conceivable an officer or someone exaggerated the extent of his injuries when later typing up the report. But we'll see, I guess.I have to agree. But what about Chaos Commish's argument? If this is true, must we believe the police is lying, the fire department is lying, the witness named "John" is lying- how do you guys rectify all of this?
identikit
Footballguy
From the accounts I've read, the altercation didn't occur on a sidewalk.
My point is I think he absolutely did and is hopelessly biased and incompetent.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Sorry, was being flip.I think he created the situation because he's paranoid and delusional. Then he shot the kid because he got in over his head and believed he was dealing with a hardened gang banger instead of a kid going to the corner store for skittles and iced tea.
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SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
The people that are posting about their broken noses and other people's broken noses doesn't mean anything. Who cares if you bleed like a stuck hog when your nose gets bumped? I don't care that a kid took a kick ball to the face and had to have a blood transfusion. What does that have to do with this case? Trayvon probably told Zimmerman "get the #### away from me and #### off!" Zimmerman pushed the issue, ended up getting his ### beat and shot the kid because, 1 he is an idiot, 2 he walks around armed in his neighborhood looking for someone to shoot, 3 he was told to quit following the kid, and 4 not only did he take the life of a child, he has also ####ed up his life as well.
skittles
skittles
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
What i find funny is ive been saying since my first post, that zimmerman murdered treyvon martin and he didnt have to. Now that ive seen the arrest video im more convinced than ever that zimmerman has lied at every turn to save his ### from going to prison. If he WAS covered in blood and had a broken nose and the back of his head was as injured as he claimed, i would have said i was wrong . I would have said Treyvon was beating him and he shot trey in self defense. I still would say he inadvertanly caused it by following trey , but he shot trey in self defense. Why cant the defenders of zimmerman watch that video and say maybe zimmerman was lying and is full of crap. Its right there in color. Is it pride?
All the police report says is that "Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head."John didn't say anything about the extent of Zimmerman's injuries, did he? I don't remember details about his injuries from the fire department either. I believe it's conceivable an officer or someone exaggerated the extent of his injuries when later typing up the report. But we'll see, I guess.I have to agree. But what about Chaos Commish's argument? If this is true, must we believe the police is lying, the fire department is lying, the witness named "John" is lying- how do you guys rectify all of this?
ATC1
Footballguy
Again, he refused treatment. He did not claim to be beat up so badly he was not able to defend himself, as a result he went for the gun. What Zimmerman claims is that there was a struggle for the gun which was obviously life or death at that point. Why would the lack of evidence of blood everywhere make him less credible?I heard on other forums that the casing from the gun did not eject, jamming the gun. That means something was blocking the slide from racking and ejecting the casing and chambering another. That could mean the sign of two people struggling for the gun. Again, nothing offical there. Still searching for confirmation there.
So you think it's murder because Zimmerman didn't bleed enough.
ATC1
Footballguy
Read post above
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
OK, fair enough. So is that what makes him racist? I mean, if it was a white or hispanic kid would he not have followed him or not have approached him or not have shot him?
ATC1
Footballguy
From all the 911 calls he has made. Sounds like he had every opportunity to brandish a gun and shoot someone or a pitbull in his garage before.
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Where are we getting that Zimmerman refused treatment. The police report states that "Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD . . . . Once Zimmerman was cleared by the SFD, he was transported to the Sanford Police Department."
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
ZIMMERMAN LIED ...period
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Zimmerman lied, Martin died.
About what?
So when you were 17 and some jerk came up to you in your neighborhood or any neighbohood, and confronted you for walking down the road on your way home from the store, you would have been ok and not gone confrontational.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
so the answer to my question is PRIDE...got it.
cstu
Footballguy
I believe the actual quote was "only bleeding about the face, breast, chest, neck, and head. Other than that he looked fine."All the police report says is that "Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head."John didn't say anything about the extent of Zimmerman's injuries, did he? I don't remember details about his injuries from the fire department either. I believe it's conceivable an officer or someone exaggerated the extent of his injuries when later typing up the report. But we'll see, I guess.I have to agree. But what about Chaos Commish's argument? If this is true, must we believe the police is lying, the fire department is lying, the witness named "John" is lying- how do you guys rectify all of this?
ATC1
Footballguy
Refused treatment at a hospital. If I'm establishing a self defense case that I shot the kid because he was beating me senseless, I would be requesting photos and a trip to the hospital.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I think Zimmerman is whacked and guilty of killing another person for no legitimate reason. I don't think race had much to do with it as far as he goes, except to help convince him that he was dealing with a hoodlum.i.e. he wasn't acting out of hate (the idea that this is a hate crime seems really farfetched to me), but his prejudices helped lead him down a path that led to killing someone.I do think a fair number of people who are defending Zimmerman like he's a family member would be interpreting things a bit differently if the skin colors were reversed though.
You forgot "profusely."I believe the actual quote was "only bleeding about the face, breast, chest, neck, and head. Other than that he looked fine."All the police report says is that "Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head."John didn't say anything about the extent of Zimmerman's injuries, did he? I don't remember details about his injuries from the fire department either. I believe it's conceivable an officer or someone exaggerated the extent of his injuries when later typing up the report. But we'll see, I guess.I have to agree. But what about Chaos Commish's argument? If this is true, must we believe the police is lying, the fire department is lying, the witness named "John" is lying- how do you guys rectify all of this?
