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Mike Wallace to be Tendered, not tagged (1 Viewer)

per Rotoworld:

Starting in 2014, the NFL's restricted free agency will be limited to players who were originally undrafted.

Mike Wallace's free agency is restricted only because the Steelers handed out three-year rookie contracts compared to the customary four-year deal used by most clubs. The new CBA mandates that all players must sign contracts of at least four years in length, eliminating that final year of restricted free agency. Wallace is not expected to draw an offer by Friday night's deadline.

This has the conspiracy theorists in me screaming collusion. To the owners from Goodell: "If there's a RFA in 2012 from a deal signed during the old CBA that wouldn't be a RFA under the current CBA then let's treat him as such and not make attempts to sign him to an offer sheet."

I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period. Goodell is micro-managing the NFL and I feel more like a pawn than a fan.

 
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
 
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
 
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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It was the only move they could financially make and it is going to work out because Wallace wants to be back with the Steelers, and the Steelers want Wallace. Frenchy will tell you it is a genius move though.
 
'Shutout said:
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
@AdamSchefter: No team tried to sign Steelers RFA WR Mike Wallace to an offer sheet and, with deadline to do it Friday, it is not expected that one will.
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Yeah, the rest of that news says something about the biggest hangup is assumed to be the asking price. The above poster said this was a genius move by the Steelers. It might be, although it really forced them to sit on their hands when other FAs were being signed. But still, it might be a good team move unless, of course, he becomes a headache to them if he really is trying to get a Fitz/Calvin type contract.
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What was their alternative? Franchise him and use up all their cap space so they had to sit on their hands while other FAs were being signed?
 
'apalmer said:
'Shutout said:
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
@AdamSchefter: No team tried to sign Steelers RFA WR Mike Wallace to an offer sheet and, with deadline to do it Friday, it is not expected that one will.
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Yeah, the rest of that news says something about the biggest hangup is assumed to be the asking price. The above poster said this was a genius move by the Steelers. It might be, although it really forced them to sit on their hands when other FAs were being signed. But still, it might be a good team move unless, of course, he becomes a headache to them if he really is trying to get a Fitz/Calvin type contract.
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What was their alternative? Franchise him and use up all their cap space so they had to sit on their hands while other FAs were being signed?
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Considering that they didn't sign anyone, yeah that was their alternative.
 
Seems that I am not the only one throwing out the Big C-word

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/20/less-than-a-day-to-go-and-no-rfa-offer-sheets-have-been-signed/

Here's a bit of it

This year, with 42 restricted free agents and the period for signing restricted free agents to offer sheets expiring at midnight, no offer sheets have been signed.

For players like Steelers receiver Mike Wallace, who reportedly wants huge money, it makes sense to keep the first-round pick that would go to the Steelers as compensation and use it on a rookie who would be paid far less money over the next five years. But for players like Steelers starting left guard/backup center Doug Legursky, who could have been had with no compensation at all, the fact that no one tried to sign him makes no sense.

Unless, of course, teams have agreed among themselves not to try to sign each other’s restricted free agents. Which would be collusion.

After 2013, restricted free agency will become even less relevant (if that’s possible), given that all contract for drafted rookies now are at least four years in duration. Thus, come 2014, only undrafted players or players cut within three years of being drafted and not claimed on waivers will ever be restricted free agents.

Still, with the relationship between the NFL and NFLPA suddenly deteriorating, it wouldn’t be a huge surprise if the union claims that collusion has forced the 42 restricted free agents to play under one-year deals in 2012.

 
'Steed said:
'apalmer said:
'Shutout said:
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
@AdamSchefter: No team tried to sign Steelers RFA WR Mike Wallace to an offer sheet and, with deadline to do it Friday, it is not expected that one will.
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Yeah, the rest of that news says something about the biggest hangup is assumed to be the asking price. The above poster said this was a genius move by the Steelers. It might be, although it really forced them to sit on their hands when other FAs were being signed. But still, it might be a good team move unless, of course, he becomes a headache to them if he really is trying to get a Fitz/Calvin type contract.
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What was their alternative? Franchise him and use up all their cap space so they had to sit on their hands while other FAs were being signed?
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Considering that they didn't sign anyone, yeah that was their alternative.
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Batch, Pope, Cotchery and money still in the pocket for guys who might become available later. I'll take the path the Steelers chose, thank you.
 
'apalmer said:
Batch, Pope, Cotchery and money still in the pocket for guys who might become available later.
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And re-signed all their other RFAs, save Wallace, plus Trai Essex.
Steelers always sit on their hands during Free Agency, its just how they operate.

They prefer to spend $ on home-grown (drafted) players that have performed well for them in the past. Also, they are not afraid to let someone go if they are out of their budget.
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Indeed, on all counts.The bolded is pretty much what everyone in this thread who closely follows the Steelers has been saying since jumpstreet, but I don't expect anyone to start listening to that/accepting it after 9 pages of ignoring it. Somehow it was re-interpreted into "not tagging Wallace is some kind of Machiavellian act of genius that has no downside" and the actual conversation we were trying to have was pretty much ignored while others tried to "give us news we could use" about how NFL front offices work.

The Steelers took a large, large calculated gamble and I think most would have to agree that it appears to have worked out in their favor at this point, unless a team swoops in at 11:45pm or something crazy like that.

Of course, I suppose it could all be because of league wide collusion just so Pittsburgh could keep Wallace. I mean, it is pretty obviously collusion if a team won't give up a first rounder for Aaron Maybin, or if teams weren't beating down the door of Doug Legursky's agent right? Right?!

 
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'5-ish Finkle said:
The Steelers took a large, large calculated gamble and I think most would have to agree that it appears to have worked out in their favor at this point, unless a team swoops in at 11:45pm or something crazy like that.
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Good post 5ish.It was a risk, but I think Colbert was playing with a bit of a loaded deck.He knew more about Wallace's personality, Wallace's contract demands, the market for RFA's, and the likelihood of the flat cap that was announced than any of the speculators looking at things from a Madden/fantasy based angle.The NFL market has spoken about Wallace's value. I don't think it is at all clear that Wallace simply wants to remain a Steeler...he simply did not receive any interest at the asking price...whatever it actually was. Wallace should immediately change representation. Bus Cook is a bumbling fool and really represented his client poorly by misreading this market completely.It's a business and the Steelers played their cards perfectly. They've locked up negotiating rights with Wallace for at least another year and hopefully they come to an agreement on a mutually beneficial long term deal by August.
 
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'apalmer said:
'Shutout said:
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
@AdamSchefter: No team tried to sign Steelers RFA WR Mike Wallace to an offer sheet and, with deadline to do it Friday, it is not expected that one will.
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Yeah, the rest of that news says something about the biggest hangup is assumed to be the asking price. The above poster said this was a genius move by the Steelers. It might be, although it really forced them to sit on their hands when other FAs were being signed. But still, it might be a good team move unless, of course, he becomes a headache to them if he really is trying to get a Fitz/Calvin type contract.
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What was their alternative? Franchise him and use up all their cap space so they had to sit on their hands while other FAs were being signed?
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There were a lot of people suggesting the Steelers were fools for not doing so.
 
'Godsbrother said:
'apalmer said:
'Shutout said:
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
@AdamSchefter: No team tried to sign Steelers RFA WR Mike Wallace to an offer sheet and, with deadline to do it Friday, it is not expected that one will.
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Yeah, the rest of that news says something about the biggest hangup is assumed to be the asking price. The above poster said this was a genius move by the Steelers. It might be, although it really forced them to sit on their hands when other FAs were being signed. But still, it might be a good team move unless, of course, he becomes a headache to them if he really is trying to get a Fitz/Calvin type contract.
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What was their alternative? Franchise him and use up all their cap space so they had to sit on their hands while other FAs were being signed?
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There were a lot of people suggesting the Steelers were fools for not doing so.
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I had no idea back then that he was asking for Fitzgerald money. Had I known that I would have said the Steelers made the obvious right call.
 
'cstu said:
'Godsbrother said:
'apalmer said:
'Shutout said:
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
@AdamSchefter: No team tried to sign Steelers RFA WR Mike Wallace to an offer sheet and, with deadline to do it Friday, it is not expected that one will.
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Yeah, the rest of that news says something about the biggest hangup is assumed to be the asking price. The above poster said this was a genius move by the Steelers. It might be, although it really forced them to sit on their hands when other FAs were being signed. But still, it might be a good team move unless, of course, he becomes a headache to them if he really is trying to get a Fitz/Calvin type contract.
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What was their alternative? Franchise him and use up all their cap space so they had to sit on their hands while other FAs were being signed?
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There were a lot of people suggesting the Steelers were fools for not doing so.
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I had no idea back then that he was asking for Fitzgerald money. Had I known that I would have said the Steelers made the obvious right call.
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He would have been signed away even if he wanted a slight bump on the VJax contract which was fair market value for a WR of Wallace's caliber. I'm sure you'll ask how I know. Because he would have taken that kind of guaranteed money had it been presented to him instead of risking playing 2012 at $2.7 million. In other words the offer never came. Why do you think that was?
 
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'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
 
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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There was no genius involved. The Steelers knew what Wallace was looking for and took a gamble that no other team was going to offer him a contract close to what he wanted. If a team did make an outrageous offer the Steelers wouldnt have matched and taken the #1 as a consolation prize.But it sure is funny that what is obvious now to some wasn't back before free agency began when they were saying the Steelers were screwing up by not using The franchise tag.
 
'Godsbrother said:
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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There was no genius involved. The Steelers knew what Wallace was looking for and took a gamble that no other team was going to offer him a contract close to what he wanted. If a team did make an outrageous offer the Steelers wouldnt have matched and taken the #1 as a consolation prize.But it sure is funny that what is obvious now to some wasn't back before free agency began when they were saying the Steelers were screwing up by not using The franchise tag.
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It is amazing how the stupid choice everyone (except Steeler homers) criticized suddenly became the "obvious way to handle it" that anyone with half a brain would have seen.
 
'apalmer said:
'Godsbrother said:
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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There was no genius involved. The Steelers knew what Wallace was looking for and took a gamble that no other team was going to offer him a contract close to what he wanted. If a team did make an outrageous offer the Steelers wouldnt have matched and taken the #1 as a consolation prize.But it sure is funny that what is obvious now to some wasn't back before free agency began when they were saying the Steelers were screwing up by not using The franchise tag.
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It is amazing how the stupid choice everyone (except Steeler homers) criticized suddenly became the "obvious way to handle it" that anyone with half a brain would have seen.
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Yes. Not using the franchise tag saved them $6-7 million this year.
 
'apalmer said:
'Godsbrother said:
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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There was no genius involved. The Steelers knew what Wallace was looking for and took a gamble that no other team was going to offer him a contract close to what he wanted. If a team did make an outrageous offer the Steelers wouldnt have matched and taken the #1 as a consolation prize.But it sure is funny that what is obvious now to some wasn't back before free agency began when they were saying the Steelers were screwing up by not using The franchise tag.
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It is amazing how the stupid choice everyone (except Steeler homers) criticized suddenly became the "obvious way to handle it" that anyone with half a brain would have seen.
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Exactly.
 
'apalmer said:
'Godsbrother said:
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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There was no genius involved. The Steelers knew what Wallace was looking for and took a gamble that no other team was going to offer him a contract close to what he wanted. If a team did make an outrageous offer the Steelers wouldnt have matched and taken the #1 as a consolation prize.But it sure is funny that what is obvious now to some wasn't back before free agency began when they were saying the Steelers were screwing up by not using The franchise tag.
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It is amazing how the stupid choice everyone (except Steeler homers) criticized suddenly became the "obvious way to handle it" that anyone with half a brain would have seen.
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I don't remember anyone saying the Steelers were stupid for not franchising him. Personally, I thought he was going to be signed by someone and that the Steelers should have worked out a long-term deal before it came to this point. Who knows how this will work out but there a good chance that the Steelers get a cheap season out of Wallace before he leaves and I think in the long run they would have been better off with a 1st.
 
'cstu said:
'apalmer said:
'Godsbrother said:
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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There was no genius involved. The Steelers knew what Wallace was looking for and took a gamble that no other team was going to offer him a contract close to what he wanted. If a team did make an outrageous offer the Steelers wouldnt have matched and taken the #1 as a consolation prize.

But it sure is funny that what is obvious now to some wasn't back before free agency began when they were saying the Steelers were screwing up by not using The franchise tag.
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It is amazing how the stupid choice everyone (except Steeler homers) criticized suddenly became the "obvious way to handle it" that anyone with half a brain would have seen.
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I don't remember anyone saying the Steelers were stupid for not franchising him. Personally, I thought he was going to be signed by someone and that the Steelers should have worked out a long-term deal before it came to this point. Who knows how this will work out but there a good chance that the Steelers get a cheap season out of Wallace before he leaves and I think in the long run they would have been better off with a 1st.
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Maybe so, but the Steelers didnt have that option on the table (and in fact put them in the best position possible to get a 1st for Wallace), so its a moot point.
 
'Godsbrother said:
Yes. Not using the franchise tag saved them $6-7 million this year.
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No it did not. This is what Steelers homers cannot grasp. Mike Wallace is not going to sign his tender. He is not going to play for 2.7MM. The Steelers will have the option to reduce his tender to $577,500 on June 15th. He does not care, because he is not going to play for $577K in the same way he is not going to play for 2.7MM.It is pretty obvious to me that Steelers homers want to pay Mike Wallace the smallest amount of money they are required to pay. It is more important to the homers to screw Wallace "for the good of the franchise". Mike Wallace did not make a peep last year about his contract and we all know he was severely underpaid. He has already played the good soldier and now it is time for the Steelers to pay up.

Wallace is ticked right now and it is being reported that he will not show up for camp in August without a contract. Both Wallace and his agent know that the Steelers do not have a short term issue with their cap, they have a long-term cap issue. He wants his contract now.

2013 Unrestricted Free Agents

S Will Allen

LB Larry Foote

G Ramon Foster

NT Casey Hampton

TE David Johnson

G Doug Legursky

CB Keenan Lewis

T Jonathan Scott

RB Rashard Mendenhall

S Ryan Mundy

WR Mike Wallace

LS Greg Warren

2013 Restricted Free Agents

WR Antonio Brown 6th

RB Jonathan Dwyer 6th

P Jeremy Kapinos UD

NT Steve McLendon UD

RB Isaac Redman UD

WR Emmanuel Sanders 3rd

LB Stevenson Sylvester 5th

 
@AdamSchefter: Steelers WR Mike Wallace told some within Steelers organization that he does not plan to sign his first-round tender "until he has to".

 
'Touchdown There said:
'Godsbrother said:
Yes. Not using the franchise tag saved them $6-7 million this year.
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No it did not. This is what Steelers homers cannot grasp. Mike Wallace is not going to sign his tender. He is not going to play for 2.7MM. The Steelers will have the option to reduce his tender to $577,500 on June 15th. He does not care, because he is not going to play for $577K in the same way he is not going to play for 2.7MM.It is pretty obvious to me that Steelers homers want to pay Mike Wallace the smallest amount of money they are required to pay. It is more important to the homers to screw Wallace "for the good of the franchise". Mike Wallace did not make a peep last year about his contract and we all know he was severely underpaid. He has already played the good soldier and now it is time for the Steelers to pay up.
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Isn't that the goal of every team with every player? It's not about screwing the player any more than the player trying to get as much money as he can is about screwing the franchise. Any team that says "Hey, you're a good player and we like you, so here's more money that we really need to be paying you" is a losing team.Most Steeler fans actually hope Wallace doesn't play for the tender amount. We'd be thrilled to see him get reasonable on his demands and sign a long-term deal he and the Steelers can both live with. THAT would be ideal. If he chooses not to do that, then his options are limited to eventually playing for the tender or not playing again. Which do you think he'll choose?

 
This is what Steelers homers cannot grasp. Mike Wallace is not going to sign his tender. He is not going to play for 2.7MM.
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Here's is what the non-Steeler homers seemingly aren't grasping/are forgetting: Unless my memory is completely swiss cheese, Wallace has to sign the tender eventually or he isn't going to qualify for UFA status in '13. He positively won't want to screw with his pending unrestricted status, in the event he and the Steelers can't come to a long-term agreement or if he truly doesn't want to stay there as much as is rumored, so that tender is going to get signed if they can't work something out. Bank on that. Now, he may well not sign it until 10 games into the '12 season(he has to play 6 games for '12 to count as a "accrued year"), but he won't hold out longer than that. Ergo, that tender isn't necessarily going unsigned for certain.

Bottom line is pretty much this: The Steelers are either going to come to a long-term agreement with Wallace or he is going to sign that tender at some point so he can try and cash in as a UFA in '13. If he doesn't sign the tender and holds out the whole year he's still a RFA, since he won't have the 4th accrued year to make him unrestricted. That is the last thing he's going to want to happen.

It is pretty obvious to me that Steelers homers want to pay Mike Wallace the smallest amount of money they are required to pay. It is more important to the homers to screw Wallace "for the good of the franchise".
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Silly presumption.Those who closely follow Pittsburgh in this thread just realize, as we have seen this happen many times before in similar cases that have sometimes involved far more talented players than Mike Wallace, the Steelers will not jeopardize the "good of the team" over paying one guy. Anyone who has thought/thinks that was going to/will happen hasn't been paying attention to how Pittsburgh's FO does business for over 20 years.

It has nothing to do with what Steelers homers want the team to pay Mike Wallace. It everything to do with Steelers homers being familiar with how the Steelers operate. That's it.

 
I will ask, for those who want to claim that the Steelers FO acted in the only manner that was available and reasonable and there was no intelligence involved....do you really think they simply suddenly found themselves in this situation with Wallace?

Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?

They have managed their cap with intent and foresight every season for an extended period, were they really suddenly caught with their pants down and simply reacted the only way possible? Really?

I guarantee they knew before a single contract was offered before the 2011 season that they would be in this position with Wallace in 2012 and that they knew the likely outcome/s of this position and how they would respond when this season rolled around.

We may not know the Wallace plan currently, nor have all the pertinent information to even know what the options available are, but as one who has followed this team long enough to understand how it works I can guarantee the Steelers FO has considered all the variables and are far more informed than we are. They have been and are being proactive throughout.

They are not infallible, but they are meticulous and smart and have a strong working model in place for both on and off field success.

Any list of RFA's and UFA's thrown out there has been well discussed months ago by this FO, with a far greater understanding of value on and off the field of those names than we have, and the path to maximizing the Steelers organizational success has been decided on long ago as well. Colbert and Khan are not wringing their hands wondering what they will do if Wallace holds out...they have known what their response will be if he so chooses for some time, for both 2012 and 2013, as well as the likelihood he will do that.

There's not a single Steeler fan here, let alone the Steelers FO that begrudges Wallace making his money. But, he is going to make that money within the framework of the CBA and in a manner that is also beneficial to the Steelers organization, and in a manner which the Steelers FO already knows and has planned for.

 
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Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
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The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
 
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
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The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
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Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
 
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'treat88 said:
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
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The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
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Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
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Very real chance he pulls a vjax though and sits out the first 10 and then plays at half speed. Hes not going to jeopardize a 40 million dollar payday for a couple million bucks.
 
'treat88 said:
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
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The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
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Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
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The Steelers draft well and have good coaches. Over time a natural byproduct of success is expensive contracts. The Steelers have no money to spend under the cap because they spent it on other good players. You can't afford all the top free agents. The deliberate multi year plan is to be broke in terms of cap space?Antonio Brown and his agent are watching this closely.
 
'Touchdown There said:
'treat88 said:
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
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The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
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Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
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The Steelers draft well and have good coaches. Over time a natural byproduct of success is expensive contracts. The Steelers have no money to spend under the cap because they spent it on other good players. You can't afford all the top free agents. The deliberate multi year plan is to be broke in terms of cap space?Antonio Brown and his agent are watching this closely.
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Not sure if you are disagreeing with me or not, but don't drafting well and the inherent expensive contracts you mentioned lend themselves to being "broke"(which they aren't) in terms of cap space?And in that situation, do you somehow disagree they prioritize which good players to re-sign?And that, again, in this situation they resigned those good players understanding full well they would be tendering Wallace in 2012 long before 2012 actually rolled around?Neither the Steelers position against the cap, nor their position with Wallace are an accident, or a forced hand, if that is what you are suggesting.
 
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'treat88 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'treat88 said:
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
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The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
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Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
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The Steelers draft well and have good coaches. Over time a natural byproduct of success is expensive contracts. The Steelers have no money to spend under the cap because they spent it on other good players. You can't afford all the top free agents. The deliberate multi year plan is to be broke in terms of cap space?Antonio Brown and his agent are watching this closely.
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Not sure if you are disagreeing with me or not, but don't drafting well and the inherent expensive contracts you mentioned lend themselves to being "broke"(which they aren't) in terms of cap space?And in that situation, do you somehow disagree they prioritize which good players to re-sign?And that, again, in this situation they resigned those good players understanding full well they would be tendering Wallace in 2012 long before 2012 actually rolled around?
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You are looking at this like the office has "prioritized" Wallace when this is a simple case of being broke. You will understand my point more when the Steelers lose some good guys in 2013. Parity in the NFL means you can't pay everyone.
 
'Touchdown There said:
'treat88 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'treat88 said:
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
Click to expand...
The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
Click to expand...
Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
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The Steelers draft well and have good coaches. Over time a natural byproduct of success is expensive contracts. The Steelers have no money to spend under the cap because they spent it on other good players. You can't afford all the top free agents. The deliberate multi year plan is to be broke in terms of cap space?Antonio Brown and his agent are watching this closely.
Click to expand...
Not sure if you are disagreeing with me or not, but don't drafting well and the inherent expensive contracts you mentioned lend themselves to being "broke"(which they aren't) in terms of cap space?And in that situation, do you somehow disagree they prioritize which good players to re-sign?And that, again, in this situation they resigned those good players understanding full well they would be tendering Wallace in 2012 long before 2012 actually rolled around?
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You are looking at this like the office has "prioritized" Wallace when this is a simple case of being broke. You will understand my point more when the Steelers lose some good guys in 2013. Parity in the NFL means you can't pay everyone.
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You constantly try to rephrase what I and others are saying and do it incorrectly so it fits your agenda and then fail to respond to any of the salient points of the discussion.Do you think they had zero clue what their cap would look like in 2012 when they signed deals in 2011?Khan and Colbert did not walk in one morning last month and look at each other and say, "Crap, bro. We're up against the cap and have no dinero to resign Wallace...Oh, no. What now? Guess we have to RFA him and hold our breath."They deprioritized Wallace knowing they could retain him by using RFA rights in 2012...or are you really going to argue they simply don't prioritize which players are offered deals and unexpectedly found themselves in this position?They knew this was the route they would go long ago, at least back to 2011, and they knew the most likely outcome of that choice.What has happened this off season is both intentional and orchestrated....as is their cap situation.
 
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'fruity pebbles said:
'treat88 said:
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
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The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
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Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
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Very real chance he pulls a vjax though and sits out the first 10 and then plays at half speed. Hes not going to jeopardize a 40 million dollar payday for a couple million bucks.
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Agreed.
 
'treat88 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'treat88 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'treat88 said:
'cstu said:
Or did they sign players and manage the cap over the last couple seasons with a full knowledge that Wallace would be an RFA this season?
Click to expand...
The Steelers don't want highly paid WR's. They kept Ward because he was reasonably priced. They let Burress go as a free agent and traded Holmes for a 5th after he got a four game suspension. Planning ahead for Wallace to leave would be par for course for the Steelers.
Click to expand...
Perhaps.But let's at least understand that the Steelers choice to handle Wallaces contract situation as they have has been part of a deliberate multi year plan, not a corner they were forced into.Wallace will sign his tender or he will sign a long term deal. One of those two things will happen. It is just a matter of when.
Click to expand...
The Steelers draft well and have good coaches. Over time a natural byproduct of success is expensive contracts. The Steelers have no money to spend under the cap because they spent it on other good players. You can't afford all the top free agents. The deliberate multi year plan is to be broke in terms of cap space?Antonio Brown and his agent are watching this closely.
Click to expand...
Not sure if you are disagreeing with me or not, but don't drafting well and the inherent expensive contracts you mentioned lend themselves to being "broke"(which they aren't) in terms of cap space?And in that situation, do you somehow disagree they prioritize which good players to re-sign?And that, again, in this situation they resigned those good players understanding full well they would be tendering Wallace in 2012 long before 2012 actually rolled around?
Click to expand...
You are looking at this like the office has "prioritized" Wallace when this is a simple case of being broke. You will understand my point more when the Steelers lose some good guys in 2013. Parity in the NFL means you can't pay everyone.
Click to expand...
You constantly try to rephrase what I and others are saying and do it incorrectly so it fits your agenda and then fail to respond to any of the salient points of the discussion.Do you think they had zero clue what their cap would look like in 2012 when they signed deals in 2011?Khan and Colbert did not walk in one morning last month and look at each other and say, "Crap, bro. We're up against the cap and have no dinero to resign Wallace...Oh, no. What now? Guess we have to RFA him and hold our breath."They deprioritized Wallace knowing they could retain him by using RFA rights in 2012...or are you really going to argue they simply don't prioritize which players are offered deals and unexpectedly found themselves in this position?They knew this was the route they would go long ago, at least back to 2011, and they knew the most likely outcome of that choice.What has happened this off season is both intentional and orchestrated....as is their cap situation.
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Save your breath, Treat. The Steelers have no idea how to manage the salary cap and just want to screw their players and make them play for slave wages. That is why they never re-sign their own free agents and there is so much player turnover on the team year after year.
 
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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Didn't seem "obvious" earlier, when people were decrying the Steelers' collective foolishness. Now that it's worked out in their favor, it's time to call a spade a spade. Genius.
 
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Ron_Mexico said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Touchdown There said:
'Bird said:
I know it's totally speculative but I have a hard time remembering a RFA with Wallace's production and age not getting at least one offer sheet during his RFA signing period.
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Lot's of teams would have sent Wallace offers, but he wanted to start the negotiations too high. IMO, Wallace and his agent over-played their cards.
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Admit now that this was a great move by the Steelers. They hold all the cards now.
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There is no genius involved here. They were pushed into a corner, this was the obvious way to handle it, and it worked out. end of convo.
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Didn't seem "obvious" earlier, when people were decrying the Steelers' collective foolishness. Now that it's worked out in their favor, it's time to call a spade a spade. Genius.
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:thumbup:
 
'Dexter Manley said:
'Jason Wood said:
Steelers fans having difficulty coming to grips here. If another team signs him (and I HIGHLY expect they will), Pittsburgh has the right to match, but is going to find it next to impossible to do so. Any team that signs him will know Pittsburgh's cap situation, and will structure the guaranteed money in such a way that PIT literally won't be able to afford to match.
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Agreed. Lots of denial by Steelers fans here. If Pittsburgh was 100% committed to keeping him they would of franchised him. But it appears to me that their cap situation is so bad they can't or don't want to do that.This seems like a longshot gamble by Pittsburgh. It looks like they're hoping a robust FA WR market will result in no team wanting to forfeit a 1st round pick for Wallace, so he stays with Pittsburgh at an affordale $2.3 million or whatever this season.
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Denial ain't just a river.
 
It will be interesting to see how this looks down the road if the offense struggles as Wallace sits out the inevitable 10 games. They'll pay him roughly $1MM for those 6 games.

 
'RUSF18 said:
It will be interesting to see how this looks down the road if the offense struggles as Wallace sits out the inevitable 10 games. They'll pay him roughly $1MM for those 6 games.
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:P They can rescind the RFA down to 577k after June 15 or so.

So at which point he would make $216,000 total for the 6 game year. And then potentially get franchised.

 
Ralph Cindrich (@RalphCindrich)

4/23/12 1:45 PM

Moronic. But done worse. RT @stell1688 mike wallace not signing tender & saying wont report...good or bad move..ur thoughts? experience?

 
'Tackling Dummies said:
'Phenix said:
I'm still shocked a team didn't offer up a first for him.
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RFA is done. There's a bad stink from the complete lack of RFA action in the off season. I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I'll buy this one.
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I agree with this
 
He already said he not sign till he has to. I take that as the last day before the tender gets reduced.

 
'Steed said:
He already said he not sign till he has to. I take that as the last day before the tender gets reduced.
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It could also mean until he can accrue one more year of service toward being a free agent (I think he has to play 6 games)
 
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