Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch (3 Viewers)

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'SacramentoBob said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'rick6668 said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

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This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

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Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

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His decision to protect his own life from a stranger following him?

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Well, he confronted Zimmerman, they spoke.. Tray's GF said that Zimmerman asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. I think if that did happen, me being in Trays shoes, I'd have understood that Zimmerman was a concerned adult, and not a rapist or murderer..

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Since Martin asked Zimmerman first, shouldn't Zimmerman have been the one to explain himself since he knew Martin wasn't a burglar but just someone who didn't like being followed?

How was he to know that?And you don't know that he was given time to explain himself further.

If they were having a conversation, and Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'rick6668 said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

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This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

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Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

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His decision to protect his own life from a stranger following him?

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Well, he confronted Zimmerman, they spoke.. Tray's GF said that Zimmerman asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood. I think if that did happen, me being in Trays shoes, I'd have understood that Zimmerman was a concerned adult, and not a rapist or murderer..

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Oh, now its ok to assume what one of them was thinking? All Z had to do was say that he was neighborhood watch but he didn't, he went with the more confrontational "What are you doing here". Plenty of bad blooded encounters start that way and it in no way disarms the situation at all.

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

'mad sweeney said:

'jon_mx said:

'mad sweeney said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

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Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

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I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

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If there was a struggle for the gun, I'd say they both feared for their life, and regardless of which was shot, neglecting all other evidence, both would have had the right to defend themselves..Unless one of them started an avoidable physical altercation, and would not let the other flea..You'll argue that Zimmerman started an altercation just by following.. I Know.. I'd say this situation did not have to get physical at that point. Someone pinned on the ground and beaten, after being knocked down by a surprise punch in the nose, is in an unavoidable physical altercation..

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To sum up: One party doesn't have the right to defend himself from a stalker, they're apparently supposed to lead that stalker to their home, but the stalker does have the right to defend himself when he gets his ### kicked. Got it.

You can't prove that Zimmerman continued to follow, and what Zimmerman did, does not fit the legal definition of "stalking"

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'TexanFan02 said:
I have you on ignore. Occasionally I look at your posts so I can mock you.

I have a novel idea, why not try bringing something coherent to the thread?

Mr Two Cents · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'jon_mx said:

'mad sweeney said:

'jon_mx said:

'mad sweeney said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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Yeah, only gun wielding cherubs of justice are allowed to fear for their life and do something about it. Kids being followed doggedly by a strange man are supposed to run home, leading this weirdo to where they live (no danger in that at all!), and aren't allowed to fear for their life and do something about it.

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Stand your ground is available to all people on an equal basis. It is funny how you leave the part out about how this 'kid' starting kicking the guy's ###.

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I didn't leave it out. I'm talking about the tendency of the Zimmerman side to give him the benefit of the doubt on him fearing for his life but don't give it to Martin. As usual, you pick and choose what argument you want to make on your preconceived, usually political, motivations.

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That is too funny. You are more politically one-side in your comments than i am.

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You're kidding right? Not one person here believes that for even half a second. No one, and I mean no one, is more politically one sided than you and no one, no one, interjects it into everything more than you.

Your a joke, do we have to post names?

Statorama · May 18, 2012

This thread has probably had more people delete their own posts than any other in the history of this forum.

Some very agitated people from early on in the thread should be particularly embarrassed at their lynch mob mentality towards Zimmerman.

Unless there's a black person on the jury, the Zimmerman "not guilty" deliberations will take about 2.6 minutes. If there's a black person on the jury it will take about 5.7 minutes.

Does Al Sharpton care that he's a laughingstock?

timschochet · May 18, 2012

'Carolina Hustler said:
We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

jon_mx · May 18, 2012

'Statorama said:
This thread has probably had more people delete their own posts than any other in the history of this forum.Some very agitated people from early on in the thread should be particularly embarrassed at their lynch mob mentality towards Zimmerman.Unless there's a black person on the jury, the Zimmerman "not guilty" deliberations will take about 2.6 minutes. If there's a black person on the jury it will take about 5.7 minutes.Does Al Sharpton care that he's a laughingstock?

With the stand your ground defense, there is no reason for the judge to even let this go to trial. If the defense can convince the judge by preponderance of evidence that it was self-defense, the case is over without a jury trial.

kutta · May 18, 2012

'timschochet said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

Is it possible Martin is just a punk kid who saw a smaller guy following him and decided to give him a butt whoopin'?

Christo · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'rick6668 said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

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This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

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Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

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going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

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Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

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You mean, making sure a stalker is unconscious before you walk away from him? Sorry, if that was me, I'd pound the guy til I was sure he couldn't get up and come after me. That's what all you guys seem to think shouldn't matter. Zimmerman is an armed man stalking a kid, but the kid can't defend himself and make sure he's safe before he lets up.

So in your world you are allowed to punch someone until he is unconscious just because you think he is following you. Got it.

timschochet · May 18, 2012

'kutta said:
'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Is it possible Martin is just a punk kid who saw a smaller guy following him and decided to give him a butt whoopin'?

Anything's possible. Likely? Not really.

Christo · May 18, 2012

'timschochet said:
'kutta said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Is it possible Martin is just a punk kid who saw a smaller guy following him and decided to give him a butt whoopin'?

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Anything's possible. Likely? Not really.

Yeah, no 17 year old has ever done anything dumb and impulsive before.

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'timschochet said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

Zimmerman didn't claim he was attacked from behind, he said Trayvon approached him from behind, and after the exchange of some words, Zimmerman went for his phone to call the police again (that is the story as per a news source tells it) and Trayvon punched him..Can you provide a link showing that Zimmerman says he was attacked from behind?

And it is illogical for someone to attack another person for little to no reason whatsoever, but it happens all the time. I've witnessed it more times than I can remember. Some people just like to hurt others... If you've never seen this, I'd say you've lived a very sheltered life..

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'timschochet said:
'kutta said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Is it possible Martin is just a punk kid who saw a smaller guy following him and decided to give him a butt whoopin'?

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Anything's possible. Likely? Not really.

Happens all the time..

Courtjester · May 18, 2012

'timschochet said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

I'll bet there were some things said that we don't and won't ever know, but it doesn't change the fact Martin, for whatever reason, attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman got his ### handed to him by Martin, but there is a law in place in Florida that allowed Zimmerman to do exactly what he did. All he has to say at trial is, "I feared for my life." Game/set/match--game over.I have purposefully stayed out of this thread for awhile because I really wanted to let some of the evidence be known before passing some form of judgment, but the DA better be withholding something. If this is all they got, they are in trouble. This case may not even make it to trial.

All the stuff leading up to the shooting is frankly irrelevant. This case comes down to Zimmerman's injuries and did he fear for his life--and there is absolutely nothing the DA can do about that. Even if they try and go off on the "you should have stayed in the car," angle, it still boils down to Zimmerman's word that Martin attacked him and he shot him because he was in fear for his life. Without testimony from beyond the grave, this case is over, but Martin's parent will clean up in a wrongful death civil lawsuit IMO.

I will let you all get back to your speculations about where this person was or that person was or what this person SHOULD have done.

timschochet · May 18, 2012

'Carolina Hustler said:
'timschochet said:

'kutta said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Is it possible Martin is just a punk kid who saw a smaller guy following him and decided to give him a butt whoopin'?

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Anything's possible. Likely? Not really.

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Happens all the time..

Punches him? Maybe. Slams him to the ground and keeps punching him in such a manner that Zimmerman decides his life is being threatened? I have a hard time buying this, I really do.

timschochet · May 18, 2012

'Courtjester said:
'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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I'll bet there were some things said that we don't and won't ever know, but it doesn't change the fact Martin, for whatever reason, attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman got his ### handed to him by Martin, but there is a law in place in Florida that allowed Zimmerman to do exactly what he did. All he has to say at trial is, "I feared for my life." Game/set/match--game over.

I have purposefully stayed out of this thread for awhile because I really wanted to let some of the evidence be known before passing some form of judgment, but the DA better be withholding something. If this is all they got, they are in trouble. This case may not even make it to trial.All the stuff leading up to the shooting is frankly irrelevant. This case comes down to Zimmerman's injuries and did he fear for his life--and there is absolutely nothing the DA can do about that. Even if they try and go off on the "you should have stayed in the car," angle, it still boils down to Zimmerman's word that Martin attacked him and he shot him because he was in fear for his life. Without testimony from beyond the grave, this case is over, but Martin's parent will clean up in a wrongful death civil lawsuit IMO.

I will let you all get back to your speculations about where this person was or that person was or what this person SHOULD have done.

I tend to agree with you here.

renesauz · May 18, 2012

'SacramentoBob said:
'rick6668 said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

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If only black people left the house supervised by their white superiors, this never would've happened.

BusMan · May 18, 2012

I'm still completely flabbergasted. Zimmerman can be armed, pick a fight, starting losing it, then shoot to kill and get no penalty? Its just....absurdly baffling. Its like Florida is sending out an open invitation to psychopaths.

Witz · May 18, 2012

'BusMan said:
I'm still completely flabbergasted. Zimmerman can be armed, pick a fight, starting losing it, then shoot to kill and get no penalty? Its just....absurdly baffling. Its like Florida is sending out an open invitation to psychopaths.

Sigh. Please link where it is shown that it was Zimmerman that started the fight.

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'timschochet said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

'timschochet said:

'kutta said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Is it possible Martin is just a punk kid who saw a smaller guy following him and decided to give him a butt whoopin'?

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Anything's possible. Likely? Not really.

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Happens all the time..

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Punches him? Maybe. Slams him to the ground and keeps punching him in such a manner that Zimmerman decides his life is being threatened? I have a hard time buying this, I really do.

That's not what he said. You said "not likely" in response to his post.. I've seen young men attack people for no reason just for the thrill of the moment, or the accolades of kicking someones ###..What Zimmerman thought to himself after being attacked (if thats what happened) by someone he thought to be a bad guy (and may very well have been) in the middle of the night, and to the point where he needed to call for help, could have been panic, and fear.. I think that's very reasonable to assume if things really happened the way it seems they have..

Underachievers · May 18, 2012

'BusMan said:
I'm still completely flabbergasted. Zimmerman can be armed, pick a fight, starting losing it, then shoot to kill and get no penalty? Its just....absurdly baffling. Its like Florida is sending out an open invitation to psychopaths.

I am still completely flabbergasted that there are still people in this world that think Zimmermsn picked a fight with Martin.

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'BusMan said:

I'm still completely flabbergasted. Zimmerman can be armed, pick a fight, starting losing it, then shoot to kill and get no penalty? Its just....absurdly baffling. Its like Florida is sending out an open invitation to psychopaths.

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Sigh. Please link where it is shown that it was Zimmerman that started the fight.

yes, please do..

Witz · May 18, 2012

'timschochet said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

BigSteelThrill · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

You think this scenarios engagement occurred with words, not actions?

Witz · May 18, 2012

'BigSteelThrill said:
'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

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You think this scenarios engagement occurred with words, not actions?

You think a scenario occurred where there were actions between the two before words?

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Christo said:
'mad sweeney said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'rick6668 said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

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This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

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Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

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going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

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Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

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You mean, making sure a stalker is unconscious before you walk away from him? Sorry, if that was me, I'd pound the guy til I was sure he couldn't get up and come after me. That's what all you guys seem to think shouldn't matter. Zimmerman is an armed man stalking a kid, but the kid can't defend himself and make sure he's safe before he lets up.

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So in your world you are allowed to punch someone until he is unconscious just because you think he is following you. Got it.

Because I think he's following me? There was no doubt about it, and he was confrontational with "What are you doing here" instead of identifying himself first. Plus, if you believe the gf, Zimmerman may have made the first contact. Yeah, if someone is stalking me, is confrontational and it gets physical, I'm knocking him out so he can't do something crazy, like pull a gun on me.

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Carolina Hustler said:
'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Zimmerman didn't claim he was attacked from behind, he said Trayvon approached him from behind, and after the exchange of some words, Zimmerman went for his phone to call the police again (that is the story as per a news source tells it) and Trayvon punched him..Can you provide a link showing that Zimmerman says he was attacked from behind?

And it is illogical for someone to attack another person for little to no reason whatsoever, but it happens all the time. I've witnessed it more times than I can remember. Some people just like to hurt others... If you've never seen this, I'd say you've lived a very sheltered life..

Zimmerman sure seems like that type of guy.

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter. :lmao:

Witz · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Christo said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'rick6668 said:

'jon_mx said:

It is silly of the police to speculate that this could have been prevented had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle. Why not speculate that this could have been prevented had Martin not doubled back to confront Zimmerman and start kicking his ###? There are lots of circumstances that could have prevented the situation from occurring. The hard facts seem to support Zimmerman's version.

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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

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This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

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Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

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going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

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Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

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You mean, making sure a stalker is unconscious before you walk away from him? Sorry, if that was me, I'd pound the guy til I was sure he couldn't get up and come after me. That's what all you guys seem to think shouldn't matter. Zimmerman is an armed man stalking a kid, but the kid can't defend himself and make sure he's safe before he lets up.

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So in your world you are allowed to punch someone until he is unconscious just because you think he is following you. Got it.

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Because I think he's following me? There was no doubt about it, and he was confrontational with "What are you doing here" instead of identifying himself first. Plus, if you believe the gf, Zimmerman may have made the first contact. Yeah, if someone is stalking me, is confrontational and it gets physical, I'm knocking him out so he can't do something crazy, like pull a gun on me.

If you believe the GF, Martin spoke first. Maybe you should try another angle.

Witz · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

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Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

'for a while'

:lmao:

How long was this 'chase' going on?

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'mad sweeney said:

'Christo said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'rick6668 said:

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/18/zimmerman_evidence.html

SANFORD --

"Avoidable" -- that's how some investigators described the deadly encounter between George Zimmerman and 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

After Thursday's release of new documents, photos and other pieces of evidence in the case against Zimmerman, lawyers on both sides have spoken about Florida state prosecutors' findings.

The newly released evidence includes nearly 200 pages of documents, interviews with witnesses and Zimmerman's father, and some intense photos of blood on Zimmerman's head and face shortly after the shooting.

The officers who first investigated the shooting scene said it might not have happened if Zimmerman would have stayed in his car, waited for police and identified himself as a concerned citizen.

But Friday morning, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, reacted to police statements saying the situation could have been avoided.

"I understand the law enforcement perceptive that this was avoidable -- and quite honesty, in every life event or experience, we can go back to one of the premises and say had it not happened, had he not been going to the target store, had Trayvon Martin not been in the neighborhood had he not gotten out of his car," O'Mara told NBC's "Today" show Friday. "We have to deal with what did happen, and explain that properly and in a courtroom."

There were no clear witness statements among the evidence released Thursday about who started the scuffle between Zimmerman and Martin.

What we do know is that there were just 8½ minutes between the time George Zimmerman first dialed 911 and the moment the fatal shot was fired.

The reports also indicated Martin had traces of THC in his system, a main component in marijuana.

But Benjamin Crump, the Martin family's lawyer who appeared Thursday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," said that didn't matter.

"What's really relevant is the fact there was no toxicology report done on George Zimmerman," said Crump. "We don't know what else was in his system with the prescribed medicines he was on, to have him get out of his car in the rain and profile, pursue and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed. So the trace amounts of marijuana is irrelevant."

According to forensics reports, Zimmerman's DNA was found on the gun, except for the trigger. Another person's DNA was also found on the gun, but experts said could not immediately identify whose it was.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to charges of second-degree murder for Martin's death. His whereabouts have been kept secret after he bonded out of jail in April.

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This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

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Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

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going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

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Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

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You mean, making sure a stalker is unconscious before you walk away from him? Sorry, if that was me, I'd pound the guy til I was sure he couldn't get up and come after me. That's what all you guys seem to think shouldn't matter. Zimmerman is an armed man stalking a kid, but the kid can't defend himself and make sure he's safe before he lets up.

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So in your world you are allowed to punch someone until he is unconscious just because you think he is following you. Got it.

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Because I think he's following me? There was no doubt about it, and he was confrontational with "What are you doing here" instead of identifying himself first. Plus, if you believe the gf, Zimmerman may have made the first contact. Yeah, if someone is stalking me, is confrontational and it gets physical, I'm knocking him out so he can't do something crazy, like pull a gun on me.

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If you believe the GF, Martin spoke first. Maybe you should try another angle.

Look above. It's absurd to say that Martin speaking first "started" the encounter when he clearly tried to ditch Zimmerman but Z found him again.

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

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Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

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'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

Witz · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
Look above. It's absurd to say that Martin speaking first "started" the encounter when he clearly tried to ditch Zimmerman but Z found him again.

Even with Zimmerman following Martin in the development (where he lived), it was Martin who engaged with Zimmerman first (unless of course you don't believe Martin's GF).

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'mad sweeney said:

Look above. It's absurd to say that Martin speaking first "started" the encounter when he clearly tried to ditch Zimmerman but Z found him again.

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Even with Zimmerman following Martin in the development (where he lived), it was Martin who engaged with Zimmerman first (unless of course you don't believe Martin's GF).

Martin spoke first to ask a guy who's been following him why he was following him. Yeah, that's starting it all right!eta: and if you further believe the gf, Zimmerman made first physical contact.

Witz · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

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Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

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'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

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Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

There it is again - how do you know it was Zimmerman who found Martin again or it was Martin who found Zimmerman?

BigSteelThrill · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Click to expand...

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

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'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

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Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

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There it is again - how do you know it was Zimmerman who found Martin again or it was Martin who found Zimmerman?

Because Zimm was actively searching for and following Martin, that isnt even up for debate.

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Carolina Hustler said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Zimmerman didn't claim he was attacked from behind, he said Trayvon approached him from behind, and after the exchange of some words, Zimmerman went for his phone to call the police again (that is the story as per a news source tells it) and Trayvon punched him..Can you provide a link showing that Zimmerman says he was attacked from behind?

And it is illogical for someone to attack another person for little to no reason whatsoever, but it happens all the time. I've witnessed it more times than I can remember. Some people just like to hurt others... If you've never seen this, I'd say you've lived a very sheltered life..

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Zimmerman sure seems like that type of guy.

no clue what you're insinuating here

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Click to expand...

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

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'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

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Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

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There it is again - how do you know it was Zimmerman who found Martin again or it was Martin who found Zimmerman?

Are you trying to deny the fact that Zimmerman was trailing/stalking/following Martin even after the 911 operator said they didn't need him to?

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Click to expand...

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

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Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

Yea, anytime I ask someone a question and they answer with a question, I feel beholden to punch them in the face and then beat their head against the concrete..

Witz · May 18, 2012

'BigSteelThrill said:
'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Click to expand...

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

Click to expand...

If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Click to expand...

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

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'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

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Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

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There it is again - how do you know it was Zimmerman who found Martin again or it was Martin who found Zimmerman?

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Because Zimm was actively searching for and following Martin, that isnt even up for debate.

um...yes it is. How could you possibly have any idea whether Zimmerman stopped following him or not and even in that case, who found who? Unless you were there, you (nor I) have any idea.

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Carolina Hustler said:
'mad sweeney said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Click to expand...

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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Zimmerman didn't claim he was attacked from behind, he said Trayvon approached him from behind, and after the exchange of some words, Zimmerman went for his phone to call the police again (that is the story as per a news source tells it) and Trayvon punched him..Can you provide a link showing that Zimmerman says he was attacked from behind?

And it is illogical for someone to attack another person for little to no reason whatsoever, but it happens all the time. I've witnessed it more times than I can remember. Some people just like to hurt others... If you've never seen this, I'd say you've lived a very sheltered life..

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Zimmerman sure seems like that type of guy.

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no clue what you're insinuating here

Think about it hard, you'll get it.

mad sweeney · May 18, 2012

'Witz said:
'BigSteelThrill said:

'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Click to expand...

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

Click to expand...

If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Click to expand...

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

Click to expand...

'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

Click to expand...

Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

Click to expand...

There it is again - how do you know it was Zimmerman who found Martin again or it was Martin who found Zimmerman?

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Because Zimm was actively searching for and following Martin, that isnt even up for debate.

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um...yes it is. How could you possibly have any idea whether Zimmerman stopped following him or not and even in that case, who found who? Unless you were there, you (nor I) have any idea.

um...

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Christo said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

'BustedKnuckles said:

This wasnt like treyvon caught a stray bullitt walking down the street,this was the direct result of a bad decision by zimmerman.

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Trayvons decisions play a part as well.

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going to a store to buy something shouldnt cost you your life...no matter what

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Punching someone in the face and then climbing on top of them, smacking their head against the ground is more likely to cost you your life then getting out of your car because you're in the neighborhood watch program and your trying to look out for your neighbors..

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You mean, making sure a stalker is unconscious before you walk away from him? Sorry, if that was me, I'd pound the guy til I was sure he couldn't get up and come after me. That's what all you guys seem to think shouldn't matter. Zimmerman is an armed man stalking a kid, but the kid can't defend himself and make sure he's safe before he lets up.

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So in your world you are allowed to punch someone until he is unconscious just because you think he is following you. Got it.

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Because I think he's following me? There was no doubt about it, and he was confrontational with "What are you doing here" instead of identifying himself first. Plus, if you believe the gf, Zimmerman may have made the first contact. Yeah, if someone is stalking me, is confrontational and it gets physical, I'm knocking him out so he can't do something crazy, like pull a gun on me.

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If you believe the GF, Martin spoke first. Maybe you should try another angle.

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Look above. It's absurd to say that Martin speaking first "started" the encounter when he clearly tried to ditch Zimmerman but Z found him again.

If he tried to "ditch" zimmerman, why was he still within 200 feet of Zimmermans car when the confrontation took place?

Witz · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Click to expand...

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

Click to expand...

If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Click to expand...

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

Click to expand...

'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

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Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

Click to expand...

There it is again - how do you know it was Zimmerman who found Martin again or it was Martin who found Zimmerman?

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Are you trying to deny the fact that Zimmerman was trailing/stalking/following Martin even after the 911 operator said they didn't need him to?

Again - don't let what's known or not known get in the way of you making your point. You have ZERO way of knowing whether Zimmerman was still looking for Martin after the police dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow him. Zero.

identikit · May 18, 2012

'Courtjester said:
'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

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And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

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I'll bet there were some things said that we don't and won't ever know, but it doesn't change the fact Martin, for whatever reason, attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman got his ### handed to him by Martin, but there is a law in place in Florida that allowed Zimmerman to do exactly what he did. All he has to say at trial is, "I feared for my life." Game/set/match--game over.I have purposefully stayed out of this thread for awhile because I really wanted to let some of the evidence be known before passing some form of judgment, but the DA better be withholding something. If this is all they got, they are in trouble. This case may not even make it to trial.

All the stuff leading up to the shooting is frankly irrelevant. This case comes down to Zimmerman's injuries and did he fear for his life--and there is absolutely nothing the DA can do about that. Even if they try and go off on the "you should have stayed in the car," angle, it still boils down to Zimmerman's word that Martin attacked him and he shot him because he was in fear for his life. Without testimony from beyond the grave, this case is over, but Martin's parent will clean up in a wrongful death civil lawsuit IMO.

I will let you all get back to your speculations about where this person was or that person was or what this person SHOULD have done.

From what I've read, if a Stand Your Ground defense is used successfully in Florida, the civil lawsuit option is very difficult, if not impossible, to utilize.

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Click to expand...

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

Click to expand...

If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Click to expand...

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

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'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

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Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

8 mins, and while trying to ditch Zimmerman, never got more that a stones throw away from Zimmermans truck... Odd...

Witz · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
um...

If that's funny then you must have been there - you shouldn't definitely share with the police your first hand information. :rolleyes:

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'mad sweeney said:
'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

Look above. It's absurd to say that Martin speaking first "started" the encounter when he clearly tried to ditch Zimmerman but Z found him again.

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Even with Zimmerman following Martin in the development (where he lived), it was Martin who engaged with Zimmerman first (unless of course you don't believe Martin's GF).

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Martin spoke first to ask a guy who's been following him why he was following him. Yeah, that's starting it all right!eta: and if you further believe the gf, Zimmerman made first physical contact.

Yea, he was so afraid for his life that he decided to start a conversation..

Carolina Hustler · May 18, 2012

'BigSteelThrill said:
'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'mad sweeney said:

'Witz said:

'timschochet said:

'Carolina Hustler said:

We don't know exactly what was said, but if Zimmerman didn't physically or verbally threaten Trayvon, Trayvon should not have attacked him..

Click to expand...

And here is a real problem for Zimmerman's defense. Yes, as I've written, based on what we know, he should be acquitted. But I still think this is a problem. Why did Trayvon attack him?

Sorry, but it is illogical for me to believe that all Zimmerman did was ask Martin what he was doing there, and Martin responding by knocking Zimmerman to the ground and slamming him with punches. That just doesn't fly. It doesn't ring true to me, and it won't ring true to a jury. Zimmerman MUST have said something or done something that Martin found threatening. Maybe he didn't mean to. Maybe it was misinterpreted. Or maybe Zimmerman deliberately said or did something threatening, knowing exactly what he was doing. Either way, Zimmerman is covering up something when he claims that he was attacked from behind for no reason whatsoever. Are you willing to admit this?

Click to expand...

If we are to believe Martin's girlfriend statements from her phone call with Martin during this time period, it was Martin who spoke first to Zimmerman, saying 'Why are you following me?'. Martin engaged Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Click to expand...

Yeah, asking someone who's been following you for a while is engaging the encounter.

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'for a while'

How long was this 'chase' going on?

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Not sure on the timeline, it's in here a lot I'm sure. But long enough for Martin to be worried about it, try to ditch Zimmerman and get found again.

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There it is again - how do you know it was Zimmerman who found Martin again or it was Martin who found Zimmerman?

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Because Zimm was actively searching for and following Martin, that isnt even up for debate.

Can you prove this? It's a mob assumption that Zimmerman continued to follow after the 911 call, but it has never been proven..

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