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If by hose, you mean pay a fair value rather than reacting to a couple of ridiculous contracts handed out this off-season, then yeah. Also, we'd all put the good of the franchise over one guy. Wallace, if he played under the RFA tender this year and the franchise tag next year, would make roughly $13,000,000-$15,000,000 over the next two years and then at age 27 could sign a megabucks deal with any team in the NFL. I'd love to get "hosed" like that.
For the 1,000th time, no one wants Mike Wallace to be hosed. The Steelers will either sign him to a cap-friendly LTA or he'll be free to go elsewhere next season and earn whatever the market will bear. It is a business -- why can't you see this?
'Touchdown There said:
Let's re-visit this when the time comes:2013 Unrestricted Free AgentsS Will AllenLB Larry FooteG Ramon FosterNT Casey HamptonTE David JohnsonG Doug LegurskyCB Keenan LewisT Jonathan ScottRB Rashard MendenhallS Ryan MundyWR Mike WallaceLS Greg Warren2013 Restricted Free AgentsWR Antonio Brown 6thRB Jonathan Dwyer 6thP Jeremy Kapinos UDNT Steve McLendon UDRB Isaac Redman UDWR Emmanuel Sanders 3rdLB Stevenson Sylvester 5th
I don't think any of those UFA's are priorities. If Sylvester steps up, Foote's gone. If Sanders plays well, Wallace can go, Pittsburgh could recoup a pick too I'm sure. If Redman plays well, he'll be back. He may anyway. Either way I don't see the Steelers spending much on RB. They'll make room for a lineman or 2, but their foundation is now built around the 2012 rooks.They can also cut James Harrison and clear a bunch of cap space, this probably depends on the development of Worldis though. By doing this they could retain Wallace.I think you're making this out to be more drastic than it really is.
Third graders should get a timeout with their nose in the corner.
No problem. UFAs:Hampton may not make the team this year and certainly won't be with the team next season. Foote was also in jeopardy of being cut this past off season and will likely be gone. The jury is out on Mendenhall but he is likely going to start on the PUP and who knows how many games he misses. He may not even get an offer from the team. Foster, Johnson, Legursky and Mundy are all backups as will Lewis if he doesn't win the starting CB job. Greg Warren is the long snapper and maybe I am whistling past the graveyard but I don't think Steelers will be doomed if he is not resigned.RFAs:They will do what they can to extend Brown. If they manage to sign Wallace to a LTA and are unable to extend Brown they'll probably go to Sanders. Most likely they won't be able to keep all three. The jury is out on Redman and Dwyer. Depending on how they perform and Mendenhall's recovery goes they may or may not want to extend their contracts. None of the other RFAs are of any consequence.Aside from RB & WR all of the skill positions are signed to long term contracts so I think they're in really good shape.
Those ridiculous contracts are fair value now. The Steelers aren't hosing him by not giving him that money, but he's also not out of line to expect it.
Thoughts well presented and noted.
It is not just the Steelers fanbase. People get so sensitive about their team. Did I mention the Steelers are broke and cannot afford a top 10 WR like Mike Wallace?
Except what I actually said in the post you linked to first is:'Touchdown There said:
Notice the terms mutually beneficial and long term deal? Your brain does actually register those terms...right? How do you get that I want to job Mike Wallace out of that?
I'll join the Fiddles bandwagon here.
agreed.i opened to page 3 in hopes of seeing some recent thoughts on Wallace to consider while reviewing a trade offer. i wanted to get some outside perspective on his situation. oh well.
The rest of your posts make so much more sense now'Touchdown There said:
Suck It, EG. TT likes me!
He reported me in a futile attempt to get me a timeout and then sent me a PM saying he had put me on his block list and that the Steelers were broke.Suck It, EG. TT likes me!
This is the guy that called me a "third grader" 
Sounds like I got through to someone. Wallace was also a class act when he did not hold out last year. He is a class act this year as you have not heard any negativity reports coming out of his corner.I also believe that he will eventually report to camp. However, it will be after the Steelers have made cuts and they clear up enough money to pay him what he is worth. The Steelers know exactly the numbers that are going to work and they do not have the cap space right now. If, or when, they do get the money cleared up they will contact Wallace's agent and get a "pre-outline" deal done with a handshake sort of commitment. The Steelers will have to save face by having Wallace report before it is signed, but there will be a deal in place before Wallace shows up at camp.
If, by "futile", you mean that you were warned by the mods for your behavior, then you are correct. The mods then deleted all your nasty stuff so there was no pee in the pool and page 3 of this thread no longer makes sense to readers. The way you write means you are an unhappy man. If you can't keep it together - don't post. I have a right to my opinion and I am well aware of the hyena pack mentality around here that supports Steelers management. In regards to your deleted statement about how you are some super respected guy in this anonymous message board:“Respect was invented to cover the empty place where love should be.”― Leo TolstoyNow deal with the fact that the Steelers do not have enough money to purchase Mike Wallace.'Evilgrin 72 said:He reported me in a futile attempt to get me a timeout and then sent me a PM saying he had put me on his block list and that the Steelers were broke.
The Steelers have had a long term policy in place that they will not negotiate with a player during a hold out. They also have a policy that they will not negotiate once the season begins. If Wallace wants a LTA with the Steelers he'll need to sign the tender and get the LTA deal done by September 9.In any case Wallace can hold out if he wants to but eventually he'll have to sign the tender. He really has no other choice.
Watch out, Bodie might be in the Burgh
How much (if any) of Brown’s production comes as a benefit of having an established guy like Wallace drawing attention from the defense?
I thought you had me blocked, how did you see this post?No one is arguing that he's outperformed his contract thus far. You continue to assert that Wallace doesn't have a megabucks deal because the Steelers have no room under the cap. I explained to you that they're roughly $8,000,000 under the cap. You ignore it. I explain to you how they can offer him a back-loaded contract and make it work under this year's salary auspices. You ignore that too.He's not signed right now because he wants more than what they're willing to pay. Period. If they were $15 million under the cap right now, he STILL wouldn't be getting $12 million this year. That's not how the Steelers do things. The homers know this. But rather than listen to people who know whereof they speak, you prefer to just keep spewing the same incorrect point over and over and over, with your sole intention being to agitate. That's why you threw your little "The Steelers are broke" catchphrase into your PM to me (obsess much?) People are on to you, man, you're not fooling anybody. You want to incite the Steelers fans. Then, when people engage you, you run to the mods to save your hide.You've showed your true colors, you're not here to learn or share information, you're here to be an irritant and it's blatantly obvious.If, by "futile", you mean that you were warned by the mods for your behavior, then you are correct. The mods then deleted all your nasty stuff so there was no pee in the pool and page 3 of this thread no longer makes sense to readers. The way you write means you are an unhappy man. If you can't keep it together - don't post. I have a right to my opinion and I am well aware of the hyena pack mentality around here that supports Steelers management. In regards to your deleted statement about how you are some super respected guy in this anonymous message board:“Respect was invented to cover the empty place where love should be.”― Leo TolstoyNow deal with the fact that the Steelers do not have enough money to purchase Mike Wallace.'Evilgrin 72 said:He reported me in a futile attempt to get me a timeout and then sent me a PM saying he had put me on his block list and that the Steelers were broke.
Listen to the Steelers fans and you'll get the real scoop. We've all seen this scenario play out over and over again.Good grief, what the heck is going on in here. I jumped in to get some insight about the whole Wallace situation and instead, I get a rowdy kindergarten class.
I'm sure some of it does, but the nature of such things is symbiotic. As Brown continued to emerge, it should theoretically have opened things up for Wallace as well, but the more Brown asserted himself in the offense, the more Wallace seemed to fade.
Your tone is 1/2 better today, so it looks like the mods slap on your wrist worked. I ignored all you had to say, because there was no worthwhile information in it, just like your post above. You have Steelers goggles on, which means you are biased and cannot see the truth. The Steelers have no money to pay Mike Wallace. The Steelers cannot afford a top 10 WR. I am hoping that has finally sunk inI thought you had me blocked, how did you see this post?No one is arguing that he's outperformed his contract thus far. You continue to assert that Wallace doesn't have a megabucks deal because the Steelers have no room under the cap. I explained to you that they're roughly $8,000,000 under the cap. You ignore it. I explain to you how they can offer him a back-loaded contract and make it work under this year's salary auspices. You ignore that too.If, by "futile", you mean that you were warned by the mods for your behavior, then you are correct. The mods then deleted all your nasty stuff so there was no pee in the pool and page 3 of this thread no longer makes sense to readers. The way you write means you are an unhappy man. If you can't keep it together - don't post. I have a right to my opinion and I am well aware of the hyena pack mentality around here that supports Steelers management. In regards to your deleted statement about how you are some super respected guy in this anonymous message board:“Respect was invented to cover the empty place where love should be.”'Evilgrin 72 said:He reported me in a futile attempt to get me a timeout and then sent me a PM saying he had put me on his block list and that the Steelers were broke.
This is the guy that called me a "third grader"
― Leo Tolstoy
Now deal with the fact that the Steelers do not have enough money to purchase Mike Wallace.
He's not signed right now because he wants more than what they're willing to pay. Period. If they were $15 million under the cap right now, he STILL wouldn't be getting $12 million this year. That's not how the Steelers do things. The homers know this. But rather than listen to people who know whereof they speak, you prefer to just keep spewing the same incorrect point over and over and over, with your sole intention being to agitate. That's why you threw your little "The Steelers are broke" catchphrase into your PM to me (obsess much?) People are on to you, man, you're not fooling anybody. You want to incite the Steelers fans. Then, when people engage you, you run to the mods to save your hide.
You've showed your true colors, you're not here to learn or share information, you're here to be an irritant and it's blatantly obvious.
$8,000,000 >>> no moneyYour tone is 1/2 better today, so it looks like the mods slap on your wrist worked. I ignored all you had to say, because there was no worthwhile information in it, just like your post above. You have Steelers goggles on, which means you are biased and cannot see the truth. The Steelers have no money to pay Mike Wallace. The Steelers cannot afford a top 10 WR. I am hoping that has finally sunk in MAN.I thought you had me blocked, how did you see this post?No one is arguing that he's outperformed his contract thus far. You continue to assert that Wallace doesn't have a megabucks deal because the Steelers have no room under the cap. I explained to you that they're roughly $8,000,000 under the cap. You ignore it. I explain to you how they can offer him a back-loaded contract and make it work under this year's salary auspices. You ignore that too.He's not signed right now because he wants more than what they're willing to pay. Period. If they were $15 million under the cap right now, he STILL wouldn't be getting $12 million this year. That's not how the Steelers do things. The homers know this. But rather than listen to people who know whereof they speak, you prefer to just keep spewing the same incorrect point over and over and over, with your sole intention being to agitate. That's why you threw your little "The Steelers are broke" catchphrase into your PM to me (obsess much?) People are on to you, man, you're not fooling anybody. You want to incite the Steelers fans. Then, when people engage you, you run to the mods to save your hide.You've showed your true colors, you're not here to learn or share information, you're here to be an irritant and it's blatantly obvious.If, by "futile", you mean that you were warned by the mods for your behavior, then you are correct. The mods then deleted all your nasty stuff so there was no pee in the pool and page 3 of this thread no longer makes sense to readers. The way you write means you are an unhappy man. If you can't keep it together - don't post. I have a right to my opinion and I am well aware of the hyena pack mentality around here that supports Steelers management. In regards to your deleted statement about how you are some super respected guy in this anonymous message board:“Respect was invented to cover the empty place where love should be.”― Leo TolstoyNow deal with the fact that the Steelers do not have enough money to purchase Mike Wallace.'Evilgrin 72 said:He reported me in a futile attempt to get me a timeout and then sent me a PM saying he had put me on his block list and that the Steelers were broke.
I think that Mike Wallace is looking at the numbers in a long-term way. If the Steelers offered Wallace 8MM for one year he would sign it. They are not offering him a one year deal. They are offering him a long-term contract at a lowball rate. I have labeled this "hosing Mike Wallace". Others call this a "team friendly deal". It just depends on how you want to look at it.
And the basis for this wild speculation is.............?
He is pulling crap out of his posterior and flinging them around these forums.
Maybe. You gonna admit you were wrong about the Steelers' $ situation?Also pretty clear, given the timing, that Pittsburgh chose Brown as the guy providing more bang for the buck.
