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The last place team in the AFC East this year will be .... (1 Viewer)

'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Chase Stuart said:
I think the Jets will play a lot of 4-3 this year to get Wilkerson on the field, and with the Jets, that's really more like a 4-2-5 or 4-1-6, since Rex loves his DBs.
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Why would they need to play a 4-3 to get Wilkerson on the field? You don't see him playing in a 3-4 front?
'Chase Stuart said:
I wouldn't be shocked if both Pace and Thomas are on the bench for large stretches this year.
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So Maybin and Wilkerson at DE? Teams should be able to gain about 6 yards/carry running at Maybin in that scenario.
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Sorry, I meant Coples getting on the field. I think we'll see a lot of Wilkerson, Coples, Pouha and DeVito. Maybin will only be on the field in obvious passing situations; agreed that he is not a complete player. He looks like 220 soaking wet.
 
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'rizzler said:
'Run It Up said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
Patriots might have 4 losses by the bye week. 3 tough road games in there.
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Guess im blind.@Ravens@BillsPats have both their numbers
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Pats @ Orchard Park is NEVER a given. Bills play them extremely hard and have come up VERY short the last few seasons, for the most part.Bills take the home game this season, is my call.
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A missed field goal and a dropped pass in the endzone was the difference in the AFC Championship, the Patriots do not "have the ravens number". That matchup is always impossible to call. The Dolphins have way to many holes to still fix before they can surpass a team like the Jets, 2013 is certainly a possibility.
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Reference the only game that Joe Flacco has ever looked like an NFL quarterback in. The Pats have lost once to the Ravens ever, with no Welker, no Gronk, no Hernandez, no Defense, no Run... Surprised they even scored 14 pts on one of the best defense in the NFL.I love the Ravens rivalry, cause we always win.
 
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unless you draft an entire rookie lineup every year, you dont get younger..

you pick your spots..

the line has wilkerson, ellis, pouha, coples, pace nice mix of brand new, vets and 2nd year players

lb has scott, old, harris, prime, thomas, vet de davis rookie

landry banged u but in prime

bell, old

revis, prime, cro, prime

how is this an old defense?

i am biased, but expect a top 5 defense...

 
'Run It Up said:
Bills are gonna be great this year too, im expecting them to finish 2nd in their division, I just think the Pats have their number.
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Sure, but the only teams that scare anyone on the Bills schedule are the Pats twice, Texans and 49ers. Pats add Ravens and Broncos, both will be tough.I feel comfortable saying both will be playoff teams while the Fins and Jets "fight" for the top pick.
 
'5Rings said:
'voiceofunreason said:
It's the elephant in the room. It's not just the qb. There is no talent on this team. The wrs are bottom 5, rb is bottom 5 and the offensive line is poor. There front 7 is quite a bit below average and their safeties are cast-offs. Their corners are good. The GM needs to be fired. He's done a horrible job getting talent.PS-If any Jets fans believe they are competing with the pats this year they are in for a rude awakening. They are going to have to rebuild for 3 years first. I'm not a pats for or jets hater, it's just how it is. One thing I will say is Rex's style wears thin after a while, which I believe happened last year. He has to relax and tone it done a bit or he won't last much longer.
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:goodposting: Top 5 pick in 2013.where is the pass rush going to come from?
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Where was the elite pass rusher when they went back to back AFCCGs? Its all about Rex's scheme on D and he has players to work that scheme. D will be fine IMO but like last year be vulnerable to big plays and late game collapse. I like the DL with the kids (Wilk and Coples) along with Pouha/Kendrick - TEs will still kill them though - Scott needs to be a P/T player and be benched - not sure Rex would do that to him though...O is the bigger problem - Hunter still a starter...Sanchez below avg QB...Greene below avg RB...Holmes more of a WR#2 and Hill is a rook....Keller is avg as well....I felt they needed to go O in the 1st 2 rds of the draft as they have no playmakers....Tebow is actually the best runner they have on the team right now and thats not good. I see the Jets at 8-8 again....not last in division but not anywhere near 1st.
 
'mphtrilogy said:
unless you draft an entire rookie lineup every year, you dont get younger..

you pick your spots..

the line has wilkerson, ellis, pouha, coples, pace nice mix of brand new, vets and 2nd year players

lb has scott, old, harris, prime, thomas, vet de davis rookie

landry banged u but in prime

bell, old

revis, prime, cro, prime

how is this an old defense?

i am biased, but expect a top 5 defense...
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Nonsense. The Jets have 1, count em 1, player above average on the entire team. Revis. Ryan's excellent scheming and Revis is not enough to pull a weak front 7 with no pass rush, who cant' stop the run, into a top 5 defense.

DL--below average, LB--below average, DB--Revis and below average.

This is a bad team set to implode.

 
'5Rings said:
'mphtrilogy said:
unless you draft an entire rookie lineup every year, you dont get younger..

you pick your spots..

the line has wilkerson, ellis, pouha, coples, pace nice mix of brand new, vets and 2nd year players

lb has scott, old, harris, prime, thomas, vet de davis rookie

landry banged u but in prime

bell, old

revis, prime, cro, prime

how is this an old defense?

i am biased, but expect a top 5 defense...
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Nonsense. The Jets have 1, count em 1, player above average on the entire team. Revis. Ryan's excellent scheming and Revis is not enough to pull a weak front 7 with no pass rush, who cant' stop the run, into a top 5 defense.

DL--below average, LB--below average, DB--Revis and below average.

This is a bad team set to implode.
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seems harsh.I'd say that Landry, Bell, Cromartie, Harris, Pouha, and Wilkerson are all above average starters.

 
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'Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
'Banemorth said:
I loathe the Jets but I think Miami will make sure the Jets are #3.
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I agree, the Qb situation in Miami is worse, at least for now. I'd take a guy who's led his team to the Afc Championship twice over Tanny for this season, since that is what we're talking about in this thread.
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I would have to go back and look at his playoff stats, but I'm going to assume he was just along for the ride.
 
'Hipple said:
'Run It Up said:
'Deamon said:
New England (12-4)
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12-4 is an impressive record, still having trouble seeing how they lose 4 games this year though.1. @Titans2. Cardinals3. @Ravens4. @Bills5. Bronces6. @Seahawks7. Jets8. @Rams9. BYE10. Bills11. @Jets12. @Dolphins13. Texans14. 49ers15. @Jaguars16. Dolphins
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iirc vegas line on season wins for the pats is 12
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Odds? Decent odds id take it no question, id take crap odds if the o/u was 11.5
 
'Raider Nation said:
I would have to go back and look at his playoff stats, but I'm going to assume he was just along for the ride.
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nope.Mark SanchezRookie year: 8-7 record, 2444 yards, 12 TDs/20 INTs, 63.0 QB RatingPlayoffs:Won in Cincinnati 24-14 (went 12/15 for 182 yards with 1 TD/0 INTs)Won in San Diego 17-14 (went 12/23 for 100 yards with 1 TD/1 INT)Lost in Indianapolis 17-30 (went 17/30 for 257 yards with 2 TDs/1 INT)2nd year: 11-5 record, 3291 yards, 17 TDs/13 INTs, 75.3 QB RatingPlayoffs:Won in Indianapolis (went 18/31 for 189 yards with 0 TDs/1 INT)Won in New England (went 16/25 for 194 yards with 3 TDs/0 INTs)Lost in Pittsburgh 19-24 (went 20/33 for 233 yards with 2 TDs/0 INTs)3rd year: 8-8 record, 3474 yards, 26 TDs/18 INTs, 78.2 QB RatingNo PlayoffsHe won 4 road playoff games in his first 2 years in the league. He beat the Patriots on the road and lost to the Steelers with a 5 TD/0 INT ratio in those two games. His overall TD/INT ratio in the playoffs is 9 to 3.He’s already led 9 fourth quarter comebacks and 11 game-winning drives in the regular season and 2 of each in the playoffs.He wasn’t great in 2011 and seemed to regress a bit, but the team around him also sucked for the most part. He still managed to throw 26 touchdowns, which ranked 9th in the league.Just like Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan, these are young QBs who are still developing. Not sure how people can write off a guy with this resume at 25 years old.
 
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'5Rings said:
'mphtrilogy said:
unless you draft an entire rookie lineup every year, you dont get younger..

you pick your spots..

the line has wilkerson, ellis, pouha, coples, pace nice mix of brand new, vets and 2nd year players

lb has scott, old, harris, prime, thomas, vet de davis rookie

landry banged u but in prime

bell, old

revis, prime, cro, prime

how is this an old defense?

i am biased, but expect a top 5 defense...
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Nonsense. The Jets have 1, count em 1, player above average on the entire team. Revis. Ryan's excellent scheming and Revis is not enough to pull a weak front 7 with no pass rush, who cant' stop the run, into a top 5 defense.

DL--below average, LB--below average, DB--Revis and below average.

This is a bad team set to implode.
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seems harsh.I'd say that Landry, Bell, Cromartie, Harris, Pouha, and Wilkerson are all above average starters.
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We can debate each, but let me spin this :shrug: How many playmakers on offense do you see?

How many playmakers on defense (besides Revis)?

Playmakers win games, and by my count, I see ZERO being the answer to the both questions...JMHO

 
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'Aaron Rudnicki said:
'Raider Nation said:
Yeah, sounds familiar. I actually stuck up for him in Levi's thread.

I guess I don't envision him ever becoming anything close to elite.
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not every team can have an elite QB.pretty clear they can win with him.
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I still think Sanchez could be a pretty decent qb if he had any help at all. The oline is pretty bad, the wr are terrible, and the whole offensive philosophy is built around this mythical running game that scares nobody. Plus, this great defense is full of holes.Sanchez has no chance to succeed.

 
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In the least surprising news ever category...

Rex Ryan looked at the film and made the change that New York Jets fans everywhere have been waiting for. He's benching right tackle Wayne Hunter.

"I know what I said about Wayne being the starting tackle this week," Ryan told reporters during his Thursday news conference. "The more I went back and looked at where we are at as a football team and getting feedback from coaches and knowing the history of Wayne, the success that Wayne had as a sixth man, I've decided that's the way we're going to go."

Austin Howard steps up as the Jets' starter. He's a third-year undrafted player who has been cut by the Philadelphia Eagles and Baltimore Ravens. Ryan wouldn't commit to Howard as the team's Week 1 starter just yet. We have to think the Jets will examine waiver wire and trade options.
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'Raider Nation said:
In the least surprising news ever category...

Rex Ryan looked at the film and made the change that New York Jets fans everywhere have been waiting for. He's benching right tackle Wayne Hunter.

"I know what I said about Wayne being the starting tackle this week," Ryan told reporters during his Thursday news conference. "The more I went back and looked at where we are at as a football team and getting feedback from coaches and knowing the history of Wayne, the success that Wayne had as a sixth man, I've decided that's the way we're going to go."

Austin Howard steps up as the Jets' starter. He's a third-year undrafted player who has been cut by the Philadelphia Eagles and Baltimore Ravens. Ryan wouldn't commit to Howard as the team's Week 1 starter just yet. We have to think the Jets will examine waiver wire and trade options.
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We'll see if a guy that has spent more time on a practice squad than on an active roster is much of an upgrade. My guess is that the Jets are in for a long season at RT.And does anyone actually believe that another team's castoff is going to be NY's salvation at RT? Pretty sad if true.

I expect to see a TE in helping quite a lot. Mario Williams should eat Sanchez alive Week 1.

 
'GroveDiesel said:
'Raider Nation said:
In the least surprising news ever category...

Rex Ryan looked at the film and made the change that New York Jets fans everywhere have been waiting for. He's benching right tackle Wayne Hunter.

"I know what I said about Wayne being the starting tackle this week," Ryan told reporters during his Thursday news conference. "The more I went back and looked at where we are at as a football team and getting feedback from coaches and knowing the history of Wayne, the success that Wayne had as a sixth man, I've decided that's the way we're going to go."

Austin Howard steps up as the Jets' starter. He's a third-year undrafted player who has been cut by the Philadelphia Eagles and Baltimore Ravens. Ryan wouldn't commit to Howard as the team's Week 1 starter just yet. We have to think the Jets will examine waiver wire and trade options.
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We'll see if a guy that has spent more time on a practice squad than on an active roster is much of an upgrade. My guess is that the Jets are in for a long season at RT.And does anyone actually believe that another team's castoff is going to be NY's salvation at RT? Pretty sad if true.

I expect to see a TE in helping quite a lot. Mario Williams should eat Sanchez alive Week 1.
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Nobody said "salvation." But I absolutely expect a tackle who's been cut by another team to start by week 2 or 3.
 
I'd have to agree about the Dolphins being in the AFC East cellar. Everyone talks about the lack of WRs, but I think the surprise will be how poorly the D will adjust to the 4-3. The pass rush is not effective and too many missed tackles, leading to long gains...

 
I'm obviously a little biased on this subject, but as a Pats fan, I am thoroughly enjoying the debacle that is the Jets this year. They have a very good chance at getting the first pick in next years draft, so the bright side for them is they get Matt Barkley.

It's no coincidence that the Jets are the only team to not score a TD after two preseason games, and that their offence could only muster 9 total points. Sanchez knows what's going to happen if he screws up, and that's only going to make him screw up even more, and Tebow will fair no better WHEN he becomes the starter.

I don't care how good their defense is. They will get tired of the three and outs their Offense keeps giving them, and when they are down a couple TD's, they will know the offense can't possibly put get them back in the game, so they won't bother playing so hard as the game goes on.

I can't believe as a Pats fan I can feel sorry for a Jets player, but Sanchez really has my sympathy.

 
I would feel a lot better about picking the Jets last if Miami had gone with Matt Moore, who is quietly not too bad. But with a rookie they have to be the favorite.

What gets lost in the Jets '09 run was the incredible luck of the Colts laying down when they were 7-7, and Kaeding's epic chokejob (somehow he only misses fg's vs the Jets?). So really it was 2010 that was the outlier more than last year.

 
'PatsFanCT said:
I'm obviously a little biased on this subject, but as a Pats fan, I am thoroughly enjoying the debacle that is the Jets this year. They have a very good chance at getting the first pick in next years draft, so the bright side for them is they get Matt Barkley.It's no coincidence that the Jets are the only team to not score a TD after two preseason games, and that their offence could only muster 9 total points. Sanchez knows what's going to happen if he screws up, and that's only going to make him screw up even more, and Tebow will fair no better WHEN he becomes the starter.I don't care how good their defense is. They will get tired of the three and outs their Offense keeps giving them, and when they are down a couple TD's, they will know the offense can't possibly put get them back in the game, so they won't bother playing so hard as the game goes on.I can't believe as a Pats fan I can feel sorry for a Jets player, but Sanchez really has my sympathy.
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Didn't realize the 2012 Jets season had been a debacle already. You should be sure to throw a ton of money down on the Jets under 8.5 wins, the line Vegas is currently offering.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
'PatsFanCT said:
I'm obviously a little biased on this subject, but as a Pats fan, I am thoroughly enjoying the debacle that is the Jets this year. They have a very good chance at getting the first pick in next years draft, so the bright side for them is they get Matt Barkley.It's no coincidence that the Jets are the only team to not score a TD after two preseason games, and that their offence could only muster 9 total points. Sanchez knows what's going to happen if he screws up, and that's only going to make him screw up even more, and Tebow will fair no better WHEN he becomes the starter.I don't care how good their defense is. They will get tired of the three and outs their Offense keeps giving them, and when they are down a couple TD's, they will know the offense can't possibly put get them back in the game, so they won't bother playing so hard as the game goes on.I can't believe as a Pats fan I can feel sorry for a Jets player, but Sanchez really has my sympathy.
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Didn't realize the 2012 Jets season had been a debacle already. You should be sure to throw a ton of money down on the Jets under 8.5 wins, the line Vegas is currently offering.
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Easy money. I think I will.
 
'PatsFanCT said:
'Chase Stuart said:
'PatsFanCT said:
I'm obviously a little biased on this subject, but as a Pats fan, I am thoroughly enjoying the debacle that is the Jets this year. They have a very good chance at getting the first pick in next years draft, so the bright side for them is they get Matt Barkley.It's no coincidence that the Jets are the only team to not score a TD after two preseason games, and that their offence could only muster 9 total points. Sanchez knows what's going to happen if he screws up, and that's only going to make him screw up even more, and Tebow will fair no better WHEN he becomes the starter.I don't care how good their defense is. They will get tired of the three and outs their Offense keeps giving them, and when they are down a couple TD's, they will know the offense can't possibly put get them back in the game, so they won't bother playing so hard as the game goes on.I can't believe as a Pats fan I can feel sorry for a Jets player, but Sanchez really has my sympathy.
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Didn't realize the 2012 Jets season had been a debacle already. You should be sure to throw a ton of money down on the Jets under 8.5 wins, the line Vegas is currently offering.
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Easy money. I think I will.
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The Jets are the first team in 35 years to not score a TD through their first 3 preseason games.

"Preseason games don't count, but they do matter." -London Fletcher

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'Raider Nation said:
'PatsFanCT said:
'Chase Stuart said:
'PatsFanCT said:
I'm obviously a little biased on this subject, but as a Pats fan, I am thoroughly enjoying the debacle that is the Jets this year. They have a very good chance at getting the first pick in next years draft, so the bright side for them is they get Matt Barkley.It's no coincidence that the Jets are the only team to not score a TD after two preseason games, and that their offence could only muster 9 total points. Sanchez knows what's going to happen if he screws up, and that's only going to make him screw up even more, and Tebow will fair no better WHEN he becomes the starter.I don't care how good their defense is. They will get tired of the three and outs their Offense keeps giving them, and when they are down a couple TD's, they will know the offense can't possibly put get them back in the game, so they won't bother playing so hard as the game goes on.I can't believe as a Pats fan I can feel sorry for a Jets player, but Sanchez really has my sympathy.
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Didn't realize the 2012 Jets season had been a debacle already. You should be sure to throw a ton of money down on the Jets under 8.5 wins, the line Vegas is currently offering.
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Easy money. I think I will.
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'5Rings said:
'Raider Nation said:
'PatsFanCT said:
'Chase Stuart said:
'PatsFanCT said:
I'm obviously a little biased on this subject, but as a Pats fan, I am thoroughly enjoying the debacle that is the Jets this year. They have a very good chance at getting the first pick in next years draft, so the bright side for them is they get Matt Barkley.It's no coincidence that the Jets are the only team to not score a TD after two preseason games, and that their offence could only muster 9 total points. Sanchez knows what's going to happen if he screws up, and that's only going to make him screw up even more, and Tebow will fair no better WHEN he becomes the starter.I don't care how good their defense is. They will get tired of the three and outs their Offense keeps giving them, and when they are down a couple TD's, they will know the offense can't possibly put get them back in the game, so they won't bother playing so hard as the game goes on.I can't believe as a Pats fan I can feel sorry for a Jets player, but Sanchez really has my sympathy.
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Didn't realize the 2012 Jets season had been a debacle already. You should be sure to throw a ton of money down on the Jets under 8.5 wins, the line Vegas is currently offering.
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Easy money. I think I will.
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I got it at -155. It's -160 now, but it's still a sure thing.
 
as a biased Jets fan there's no way this team is as bad as this thread is making out. First off the defense is world class. Awesome DL, the best defensive player in the league (Revis). So they have that going.

Take a look at the schedule it's far easier than last year. They have SF at home at 1pm. ditto AZ. playing the NFC West is way easier than the NFC East. they only have 1 game out of their time zone, at Seattle.

As for the offense, yes it's a problem, especially Sanchez' decision making. But they have 3 2011 Pro Bowlers on the OL (the only team in the league that can say that). Nick Mangold is the best interior OL alive. Howard is a clear upgrade over Hunter. I can see them playing 9 win football and losing in the first round of the playoffs. This team is terrible from a fantasy perspective but as a football team in real life they will play conservatively, take the air out of the ball and (hopefully) win close games. With the defense as good as it is (and there might not be a better unit in the league), any drive than ends in a kick is a success. Turnovers is what kills this formula, if they can avoid the big INT they will be ok.

Besides they aren't last in the East. look at the Fins on hard knocks, that team is going to be awful. So bad they just traded their starting CB for a 2nd round pick. Who does that? Teams that have no shot, that's who.

 
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I'm really not seeing the logic of how the Jets are going to be a bottom 5 team this season. If you watched the Jets last season, you saw an offense that was not only unable to move the ball, but also prone to giving up touchdowns to the opposing D. I think Sanchez threw 5 or 6 Pick sixes, and the Jets fumbled something like 6 punt returns. All of this happened with Wayne Hunter being one of the worst offensive linemen in the league. Despite all of that, the Jets finished 8-8. If Sanchez can simply not throw pick sixes, that will already be a huge upgrade. The Jets finally benched Wayne Hunter and Austin Howard looked at least like an average football player, which would also be a huge upgrade.

All of this doesn't mention the defense, which was excellent last year and should be even better this season. Coples looks like the real deal, Maybin will have a full season under his belt, and Landry looks like the best safety the Jets have had in the past few years. Everyone seems to be caught up in the Jets' lack of preseason success on offense when their team has been riddled with injuries, but no one seems to have noticed how excellent their D has looked.

If someone could explain their logic of how a team that finished 8-8 last year and didn't lose any of their best players is now likely to be one of the worst teams in the NFL, I'd appreciate it.

 
'Matt Bitonti said:
as a biased Jets fan there's no way this team is as bad as this thread is making out. First off the defense is world class. Awesome DL, the best defensive player in the league (Revis). So they have that going. Take a look at the schedule it's far easier than last year. They have SF at home at 1pm. ditto AZ. playing the NFC West is way easier than the NFC East. they only have 1 game out of their time zone, at Seattle. As for the offense, yes it's a problem, especially Sanchez' decision making. But they have 3 2011 Pro Bowlers on the OL (the only team in the league that can say that). Nick Mangold is the best interior OL alive. Howard is a clear upgrade over Hunter. I can see them playing 9 win football and losing in the first round of the playoffs. This team is terrible from a fantasy perspective but as a football team in real life they will play conservatively, take the air out of the ball and (hopefully) win close games. With the defense as good as it is (and there might not be a better unit in the league), any drive than ends in a kick is a success. Turnovers is what kills this formula, if they can avoid the big INT they will be ok. Besides they aren't last in the East. look at the Fins on hard knocks, that team is going to be awful. So bad they just traded their starting CB for a 2nd round pick. Who does that? Teams that have no shot, that's who.
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'njherdfan said:
I'm really not seeing the logic of how the Jets are going to be a bottom 5 team this season. If you watched the Jets last season, you saw an offense that was not only unable to move the ball, but also prone to giving up touchdowns to the opposing D. I think Sanchez threw 5 or 6 Pick sixes, and the Jets fumbled something like 6 punt returns. All of this happened with Wayne Hunter being one of the worst offensive linemen in the league. Despite all of that, the Jets finished 8-8. If Sanchez can simply not throw pick sixes, that will already be a huge upgrade. The Jets finally benched Wayne Hunter and Austin Howard looked at least like an average football player, which would also be a huge upgrade.

All of this doesn't mention the defense, which was excellent last year and should be even better this season. Coples looks like the real deal, Maybin will have a full season under his belt, and Landry looks like the best safety the Jets have had in the past few years. Everyone seems to be caught up in the Jets' lack of preseason success on offense when their team has been riddled with injuries, but no one seems to have noticed how excellent their D has looked.

If someone could explain their logic of how a team that finished 8-8 last year and didn't lose any of their best players is now likely to be one of the worst teams in the NFL, I'd appreciate it.
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'PatsFanCT said:
Vegas disagrees, but if you are sure, you can get a good line. o8.5 (+130).
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I say 9 wins. Since a team can't win a 8 and a half games it's basically agreeing with Vegas.by the way this might be the best Jets defensive line since the Sack Exchange. Kenrick Ellis and Quinton Coples were beasting against Carolina. Add in Wilkerson, Pouha, Devito, Dixon and probably Jay Richardson it's a super stout team vs the run.
 
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'Matt Bitonti said:
'PatsFanCT said:
Vegas disagrees, but if you are sure, you can get a good line. o8.5 (+130).
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I say 9 wins. Since a team can't win a 8 and a half games it's basically agreeing with Vegas.by the way this might be the best Jets defensive line since the Sack Exchange. Kenrick Ellis and Quinton Coples were beasting against Carolina. Add in Wilkerson, Pouha, Devito, Dixon and probably Jay Richardson it's a super stout team vs the run.
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I agree, the defense looks fantastic. But if their offense is giving them 3 and outs every time they get the ball, it's going to wear on them. And how motivated will they be when they are down a TD and know they are three FG's behind?
 
'PatsFanCT said:
I agree, the defense looks fantastic. But if their offense is giving them 3 and outs every time they get the ball, it's going to wear on them. And how motivated will they be when they are down a TD and know they are three FG's behind?
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we haven't even seen the biblecat yet. they will get first downs. maybe not a ton, but enough to go .500. these posters who think the Jets are going 4-12 are wishful thinking.
 
'PatsFanCT said:
'Matt Bitonti said:
'PatsFanCT said:
Vegas disagrees, but if you are sure, you can get a good line. o8.5 (+130).
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I say 9 wins. Since a team can't win a 8 and a half games it's basically agreeing with Vegas.by the way this might be the best Jets defensive line since the Sack Exchange. Kenrick Ellis and Quinton Coples were beasting against Carolina. Add in Wilkerson, Pouha, Devito, Dixon and probably Jay Richardson it's a super stout team vs the run.
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I agree, the defense looks fantastic. But if their offense is giving them 3 and outs every time they get the ball, it's going to wear on them. And how motivated will they be when they are down a TD and know they are three FG's behind?
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You're describing their 8-8 team last year.
 
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