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Lions in search of a running back. (1 Viewer)
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12punch
Footballguy
as I mentioned earlier -- they aren't trading their starting rb.
Banger
Footballguy
some of the responses in here are crazy....there's no way Miami is trading Bush, their starting RB, or Houston is trading Tate or Carolina is trading one of it's RBs. Regardless if teams are going to suck they aren't just going to give up and throw in the towel before the season even starts.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Yeah, post of the year.#1 They'd have to pay the Jags something like a 1st round pick'hutchins929 said:
#2 They have to renogotiate a contract with MJD. He's already making close to 6 million a year and he wants more and for more than the 2 years he has left. Horrible move. They'll never run the ball enough for him to be worth that in Detroit.
What they are actually looking for imo is some cheap depth to start the year. The problem with a guy like Grant is the minimum for older players goes up. So they'd have to pay. They want someone younger and cheaper than Grant, not neccessarily any better.
Here's a link on minimums http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/07/2011-2014-nfl-minimum-base-salaries/
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Banger
Footballguy
agreed....they are likely scouring teams 4th rb's for a week 1 plug in/insurance.Yeah, post of the year.#1 They'd have to pay the Jags something like a 1st round pick'hutchins929 said:
#2 They have to renogotiate a contract with MJD. He's already making close to 6 million a year and he wants more and for more than the 2 years he has left. Horrible move. They'll never run the ball enough for him to be worth that in Detroit.
What they are actually looking for imo is some cheap depth to start the year. The problem with a guy like Grant is the minimum for older players goes up. So they'd have to pay. They want someone younger and cheaper than Grant, not neccessarily any better.
Here's a link on minimums http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/07/2011-2014-nfl-minimum-base-salaries/
Goat Herders
Footballguy
color me shuked. You said nfl backups aren't worth second round picks. Clearly they are or else teams wouldn't draft Rbs in the second (or even first) rounds knowing full well they weren't going to he bell cow starters.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Kevin Smith career ypc: 3.9Felix Jones career ypc: 5.1Yup, exactly the same guy.'MarcO said:'Sweetness_34 said:Felix Jones IS Kevin Smith
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
The lions have been raped over the years either by the Broncos or Shanahan when trading.
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gethugefast1
Footballguy
Kevin Smith - RB - Lions
Kevin Smith never even needed a walking boot after rolling his right ankle Sunday night.
The Lions sound relieved and optimistic on Smith's status. Coach Jim Schwartz called it a short-term injury and a medical evaluation revealed a minor tweak. "I've got all my movement," Smith said. "Obviously it's fresh and I still have some swelling, but it's good." He appears on track to start against the Rams in Week 1.
Source: MLive.com
Aug 29 - 8:55 AM
I never even heard any 'rumor' about a walking boot?
Kevin Smith never even needed a walking boot after rolling his right ankle Sunday night.
The Lions sound relieved and optimistic on Smith's status. Coach Jim Schwartz called it a short-term injury and a medical evaluation revealed a minor tweak. "I've got all my movement," Smith said. "Obviously it's fresh and I still have some swelling, but it's good." He appears on track to start against the Rams in Week 1.
Source: MLive.com
Aug 29 - 8:55 AM
I never even heard any 'rumor' about a walking boot?
Warhogs
Footballguy
People may not like this but as I said early in this thread that was the first name that popped in my head. It makes sense because it would be cheap, the guy has talent (was the first RB taken in his class), and he is a good all around player (can catch the football). Of course the key in this statement is that he would be cheap I would imagine.
Dismattle
Footballguy
http://articles.courant.com/2011-02-28/sports/hc-uconn-football-0301-20110228_1_jordan-todman-training-facility-weight-room
J Todman Vikings (possible cut to make 53?) I dunno about trade within division though.
J Todman Vikings (possible cut to make 53?) I dunno about trade within division though.
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fatness
Footballguy
Agreed. Some of those 4th (and 5th) RB's will get cut shortly.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
And exactly the same caliber offensive line, right?Felix Jones' offensive line >>>>>>>> Kevin Smith's offensive line. If they switched teams, those yards per carry would not be anything close to those.Kevin Smith career ypc: 3.9Felix Jones career ypc: 5.1Yup, exactly the same guy.'MarcO said:'Sweetness_34 said:
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JHuber77
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He is coming off an ACL tear and has been hobbling in training camp. The Lions would have to be completely stupid to make this move considering Moreno could be cut very soon.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
That is laughable. This is not 1994. The Cowboys line has been AWFUL. No way the Lions line has been worse since Felix was drafted. Felix is a durability concern, not a talent concern.And exactly the same caliber offensive line, right?Felix Jones' offensive line >>>>>>>> Kevin Smith's offensive line. If they switched teams, those yards per carry would not be anything close to those.Kevin Smith career ypc: 3.9Felix Jones career ypc: 5.1Yup, exactly the same guy.'MarcO said:'Sweetness_34 said:
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
The Lions line is arguably the worst run blocking line in the league, especially in the middle. There is no way the Cowboys have a worse run blocking line.That is laughable. This is not 1994. The Cowboys line has been AWFUL. No way the Lions line has been worse since Felix was drafted. Felix is a durability concern, not a talent concern.And exactly the same caliber offensive line, right?Felix Jones' offensive line >>>>>>>> Kevin Smith's offensive line. If they switched teams, those yards per carry would not be anything close to those.Kevin Smith career ypc: 3.9Felix Jones career ypc: 5.1Yup, exactly the same guy.'MarcO said:'Sweetness_34 said:
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
This is a situation where the Lions can trade a player at a position where they have a lot of depth and Denver has a need, suck as defensive line. Then both teams fill a need, can trade a player on their roster bubble, and don't have to compete with other teams for the player should they become a free agent. I'm not saying Moreno is their target or if he should be, but this is my opinion of the kind of deal the Lions want to make.
Laughing.brady, who hurt his knee in the opener, was 6 months into his rehab on the ACL, when the Pats decided on franchise tagging cassel(Feb/March).I am sure the Patriots knew Brady was going to come back fine.They franchised Cassel bc numerous teams were after him, and knew they could get at least a pick rather than letting him go.Let him go: Supplemental pick end of third roundTag Him: recoup his value as a 7th round pick, and parlay it into a second rounder with Pioli who was newly signed into the KC organiation.The other guys you mentioned were not in the ballpark either
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I also want to add that I am not comparing Felix Jones to Kevin Smith. I am only pointing out that Felix Jones has never had to run behind the Lions line.The Lions line is arguably the worst run blocking line in the league, especially in the middle. There is no way the Cowboys have a worse run blocking line.That is laughable. This is not 1994. The Cowboys line has been AWFUL. No way the Lions line has been worse since Felix was drafted. Felix is a durability concern, not a talent concern.And exactly the same caliber offensive line, right?Felix Jones' offensive line >>>>>>>> Kevin Smith's offensive line. If they switched teams, those yards per carry would not be anything close to those.Kevin Smith career ypc: 3.9Felix Jones career ypc: 5.1Yup, exactly the same guy.'MarcO said:'Sweetness_34 said:
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Hardesty is worth a 6th at best'Hoosier16 said:
Boone22
Footballguy
Where did you see this? Not that I don't believe you. I just haven't seen it come up yet.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Those aren't backups (save Gerhardt) they are Groomed starters. And no one is suggesting to get them for a crappy draft pick.'Abraham said:
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Felix Jones cant carry kevin smiths jock.'MarcO said:'Sweetness_34 said:
Clifford
Footballguy
Huh, could have sworn I saw it on Rotoworld but now says he is competing for a roster spot
Steve Slaton - RB - Dolphins
The Miami Herald believes RBs Steve Slaton and Marcus Thigpen are competing for one roster spot.
This is interesting because it suggests Slaton is on the roster bubble after working with the first-team offense when training camp opened exactly one month ago. Despite the sterling offseason reports, Slaton will face off with Thigpen, a former CFL standout who is also seeing reps at wide receiver, in Wednesday's preseason finale.
Steve Slaton - RB - Dolphins
The Miami Herald believes RBs Steve Slaton and Marcus Thigpen are competing for one roster spot.
This is interesting because it suggests Slaton is on the roster bubble after working with the first-team offense when training camp opened exactly one month ago. Despite the sterling offseason reports, Slaton will face off with Thigpen, a former CFL standout who is also seeing reps at wide receiver, in Wednesday's preseason finale.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Phil in seems like the kind of guy who will get rid of guys who aren't his type of player with new disregard to their skills. If he is in the doghouse the lions should throw an offer out.
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12punch
Footballguy
is he trending yet?better get him before he gets on that plane....
I give up. You win. I'm beginning to understand the meaning of bostonfred's post. See if you can locate that poster from the past.
MarcO
Footballguy
2011Felix 4.5 yds per carrySmith 4.9 yds per carryonly 16 game season played2008 for K Smith 4.1 yds per carry2010 for Felix 4.3 yds per carryhighs for receptions in a seasonfelix 48 in 2010k smith 41 in 2009total games played in 4 season k smith 42felix 48career attempts k smith 561felix 458career receptionsfelix 102k smith 113career yardsksmith 3215felix 3128yep - pretty much the same player.Kevin Smith career ypc: 3.9Felix Jones career ypc: 5.1Yup, exactly the same guy.'MarcO said:'Sweetness_34 said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
If Richardson and Ogbonnaya were healthy I think Hardesty would be cut. He's awful.
Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
Hardesty has looked pretty good in pre-season. You have to throw out last years performance based on the fact he was coming back from a serious leg injury... Just curious though, if Hardesty is awful, what exactly is Ogbonnaya? Melting trash in a dumpster fire?
gethugefast1
Footballguy
ESPN New York believes RB D.J. Ware is on the roster bubble. 
Ware's stock has been all over the board this preseason. He's an unimpressive runner, but his ability to protect the passer makes him a good third-down fit. It looks like Ware and Andrew Brown are battling for one roster spot. Da'Rel Scott is likely to stick as a core special teamer. Regardless, David Wilson's stock continues to rise.
Source: ESPN New York
Aug 29 - 11:21 AM
Ware's stock has been all over the board this preseason. He's an unimpressive runner, but his ability to protect the passer makes him a good third-down fit. It looks like Ware and Andrew Brown are battling for one roster spot. Da'Rel Scott is likely to stick as a core special teamer. Regardless, David Wilson's stock continues to rise.
Source: ESPN New York
Aug 29 - 11:21 AM
matttyl
Footballguy
Silent G was a FA, Hardesty was a 2nd round pick. There is a huge difference between those two in terms of initial cost to the Browns. Doesn't mean they would trade one over the other, but Silent G's expectations were far lower than Hardesty's.
Abraham
Footballguy
I promise I'm not trying to pick a fight, and if I'm being unreasonable I don't mind being called on it. My understanding was that the point was made that backup running backs aren't worth second round picks. I was only trying to point out that a LOT of "backup" RBs in the NFL were first and/or second round picks. Obviously they were drafted in those spots to be major contributors and some (many?) have failed to live up to expectations. If your point was that backup RBs already in the NFL are not worth giving up a future 2nd round pick for then I tend to agree. If the Browns were offered a 2 for Hardesty right now, they may or may not take it since Richardson still hasn't gotten out there. In a month I imagine they might well jump on a 2 for him. I apologize if I misunderstood your point, but I wasn't being obtuse on purpose.I give up. You win. I'm beginning to understand the meaning of bostonfred's post. See if you can locate that poster from the past.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Screw expectations- obg has outplayed hardest straight u
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He looks slow with fumblitis to me...I'll throw up in my mouth if the Lions trade for him. And I've got him rostered in a couple deep leagues too...yuck.
MAC_32
Footballguy
No he's not. He's fumbling, dropping passes, missing blocks, and looking very ordinary running the ball - no burst at all. The offseason and camp reports I read on him were unfounded, he looks just as bad as last year.Ogbonnaya's cameo last year was better than I've ever seen of Hardesty, and that's saying a lot more about Hardesty than it is Ogbonnaya. Nothing confirmed, but the belief is he has a high ankle sprain. They won't do it but they should scoop up a camp cut (Polk?) and dump Hardesty, put him 3rd string behind Richardson and Jackson.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Deji Karim, if he doesn't end up returning kicks and is bounced from the Colts roster?
ponchsox
Footballguy
Hardesty has looked pretty good in pre-season. You have to throw out last years performance based on the fact he was coming back from a serious leg injury... Just curious though, if Hardesty is awful, what exactly is Ogbonnaya? Melting trash in a dumpster fire?
If anything, Hardesty's play has cemented Richardson as the Browns bellcow RB. It may take a few games for TRich to get going, but he's going to be a stud.
If anything, Hardesty's play has cemented Richardson as the Browns bellcow RB. It may take a few games for TRich to get going, but he's going to be a stud.
Clifford
Footballguy
D.J. Ware - RB - Giants
ESPN New York believes RB D.J. Ware is on the roster bubble.
Ware's stock has been all over the board this preseason. He's an unimpressive runner, but his ability to protect the passer makes him a good third-down fit. It looks like Ware and Andrew Brown are battling for one roster spot. Da'Rel Scott is likely to stick as a core special teamer. Regardless, David Wilson's stock continues to rise.
ESPN New York believes RB D.J. Ware is on the roster bubble.
Ware's stock has been all over the board this preseason. He's an unimpressive runner, but his ability to protect the passer makes him a good third-down fit. It looks like Ware and Andrew Brown are battling for one roster spot. Da'Rel Scott is likely to stick as a core special teamer. Regardless, David Wilson's stock continues to rise.
gethugefast1
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A couple people have alluded to it but the Lions issue is not the RB. It's the pathetic offensive line particularly the interior, even more particularly Raiola and Peterman. These 2 pylons constantly get blown 5 yards into the backfield when the Lions are in short yardage situations. Plugging MJD (or lesser but better than current option) into this lineup does not solve this issue. It might help them in 1st and 10 or 2nd and 10 running opportunities but everyone knows when the Lions are 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 1 they're passing 90+% of the time.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
200 posts and hardly any discussion of a single player who is likely to make the Lions roster.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
I also think a lot of people are making a mistake in assuming the Lions are looking for an upgrade at RB, and hence wouldn't want a relatively mediocre back like Moreno. With all 3 of their top RBs looking to miss the first game or 2 of the season due to injury or suspension, I think it's very likely that they just want a healthy body they can throw in there for those 2 weeks, with the hope that he can contribute in some fashion for the rest of the season in a certain role.
MarcO
Footballguy
I doubt Smith misses week 1 and I think thy're perfectly happy with what Smith brings them when healthy - a good receiver, can make big plays on screens and dump off routes, an excellent pass blocker and able to pick up blitzes. I doubt they are looking for a power back, between the tackles runner - it doesn't really fit their style of offense (from what I've seen as someone who admittedly doesn't follow the Lions very closely). I think they're just looking for better depth at RB and this probably says more about their worries with LeShoure if Smith goes down again rather than them wanting someone better than Smith.
