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Broncos, Super Bowl. (1 Viewer)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Hes got a run game, a defense, and better WR's then he had in Indy. It's a possibility.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Do they get to play the hideous Saints at home every week?
texansfan80
Footballguy
Houston might have something to say about this.
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
And the Patriots.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Matches the 10-1 I just pulled up, but like you say it doesn't reflect this past weeks results.***Entering Week 8 of the Season***'SSOG said:
Team 2013 Super Bowl XLVII Futures Odds
Money Odds (Payout Per $100 Bet.)
Arizona Cardinals +$8,000 (80 to 1)
Atlanta Falcons +$900 (9 to 1)
Baltimore Ravens +$2,000 (20 to 1)
Buffalo Bills +$20,000 (200 to 1)
Carolina Panthers +$50,000 (500 to 1)
Chicago Bears +$700 (7 to 1)
Cincinnati Bengals +$10,000 (100 to 1)
Cleveland Browns +$50,000 (500 to 1)
Dallas Cowboys +$4,500 (45 to 1)
Denver Broncos +$1,000 (10 to 1)
Detroit Lions +$10,000 (100 to 1)
Green Bay Packers +$600 (6 to 1)
Houston Texans +$500 (5 to 1)
Indianapolis Colts +$18,000 (180 to 1)
Jacksonville Jaguars +$50,000 (500 to 1)
Kansas City Chiefs +$50,000 (500 to 1)
Miami Dolphins +$5,000 (50 to 1)
Minnesota Vikings +$5,000 (50 to 1)
New England Patriots +$600 (6 to 1)
New Orleans Saints +$4,500 (45 to 1)
New York Giants +$500 (5 to 1)
New York Jets +$10,000 (100 to 1)
Oakland Raiders +$30,000 (300 to 1)
Philadelphia Eagles +$5,000 (50 to 1)
Pittsburgh Steelers +$2,000 (20 to 1)
San Diego Chargers +$4,000 (40 to 1)
San Francisco 49ers +$500 (5 to 1)
Seattle Seahawks +$5,000 (50 to 1)
St. Louis Rams +$50,000 (500 to 1)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers +$50,000 (500 to 1)
Tennessee Titans +$10,000 (100 to 1)
Washington Redskins +$8,000 (80 to 1)
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
No worse than 2nd in the AFC right now IMO.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
They already lost to the Texans and Pats. Which one of them do you rank the Broncos ahead of?I'm glad for Peyton that he's come back and done well, but before we annoint the Broncos as the second coming, they've had the benefit of playing 5 teams ranked 20th or worse in pass defense (PIT, OAK, NE, SD, and NO).
Denver hasn't had any "benefit". They've faced the toughest schedule in the league to date, and had horrible luck to boot (the announcers mentioned that they lost each of their ten fumbles on offense, despite the offense being statistically more likely to recover its own fumbles). If Denver had another 5 minutes, they probably would have notched wins against New England, Atlanta, and Houston. I like their chances if they get another 60 minutes.
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Workhorse
Footballguy
The Broncos scored 2 TDs late in garbage time against the Pats and still lost by 10. New England took their foot off the pedal in a game where they had 35 first downs. That game wasn't that close at all.
Bruce Leroy
Footballguy
'Raider Nation said:
They're not anything special. Of course, neither were the Giants last year so who knows. Still can't see them beating the Texans or the Pats.
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
The broncos are one bad hit on the QB away from being completely irrelevant. Not exactly Super Bowl material imo.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Both of the last two TDs were not late. The first one was in the 3rd quarter; the second one was with 6:48 to go. A 10-point game with nearly half a quarter still to go is not close. Haha, sure. Then, if McGahee doesn't fumble, the Broncos pull to within 3 or 7 with 3 1/2 minutes still to play. That game was still winnable And you say it was not close? Okay. 
I guess you've missed a lot of great NFL comebacks that weren't close at one point either, right?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Uh, that can be said for NE, GB, Atlanta, NYG, etc. Is that all you got?
Workhorse
Footballguy
You're right about the timing of those scores. Sorry about that.Still, the Pats moved the ball up and down the field all day on the Broncos. "5 more minutes" might have made it a larger margin of victory as opposed to a Broncos win.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
The same could be said for all teams that aren't starting Drew Bledsoe.
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TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
Contenders? Sure.
Favorites? No.
Favorites? No.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
When Week 18 starts, nothing that happened in week 3 will matter.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Not the Texans though. Plus you're living on a 36 year old lottery ticket that just missed an entire season with 4 different surgeries on his neck. Even the avid fans of the team have to admit the Broncos QB carries a much higher risk factor than do the Pats, Falcons or Giants.
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moleculo
Footballguy
if you haven't noticed, the Broncos are getting better as the season progresses. Manning is getting stronger. WR's are learning how to be in sync. Hillman is maturing. McCoy is learning how to call a game for Manning. Joe Mays is no longer messing up the calls or blowing tackles. Young DB's are improving with each week. JDR is learning how to utilize all of his weapons.
There was a lot of turmoil in Denver this off-season - major changes in personnel and style on O (compare Tebow vs Manning offense), and a new DC. We should have expected some bumps along the way. The fact they were as competitive as they were against that schedule is pretty remarkable, IMO. The way the schedule opens up from here on out is exciting. The way the AFCW is laying down is just as encouraging.
This season sure has the feel like everything is falling into place.
There was a lot of turmoil in Denver this off-season - major changes in personnel and style on O (compare Tebow vs Manning offense), and a new DC. We should have expected some bumps along the way. The fact they were as competitive as they were against that schedule is pretty remarkable, IMO. The way the schedule opens up from here on out is exciting. The way the AFCW is laying down is just as encouraging.
This season sure has the feel like everything is falling into place.
moleculo
Footballguy
the 36 year old QB hasn't been sacked since October 7. He'll be fine.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Clearly there is A LOT of football left to play, but if the season ended today, the Broncos would have be behind the Texans, Ravens, and Pats in playoff seeds. Meaning most likely they would have to win back-to-back road games aginst two of those teams to make the Super Bowl.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
But the season doesn't end today. I think the Broncos are in good position to grab the 3 seed. The losses to NE and Houston might make it hard to get one of the top two seeds (since I think NE is likely to go 7-1 or 8-0 down the stretch, and I don't see Houston finishing worse than 12-4), but I think they can get the 3 seed. I think Baltimore and Pittsburgh are both looking at 10-6 or 11-5, and the Broncos already beat the Steelers. Even if the Broncos lose to the Ravens in December, I could see the Broncos finishing 12-4 or 11-5 and ahead of them to get the 3 seed.
LuckyOne
Footballguy
As are the Patriots, Packers, Bears, and to a lessor extent Falcons
The Kuhn
Footballguy
I'm not ready to call them Super Bowl bound yet, but in the past 6 quarters, DEN's defense has become a legit threat. If you pull special teams out of that, you can probably go beyond the past two games. Hillman is also coming into his own- sure, he had a cake matchup last night...but when he was running in the 4th to protect the lead he made smart decisions. He took what the line gave him, and when he was swarmed in the backfield, he protected the ball and went down rather than make a risky attempt at making something out of nothing. He and McGahee need to get a little better at ball protection while going upfield, but I like what both of these guys are bringing to the ground game right now.
Please stop with the NE as world beaters talk- they still have O-line issues and they've had some pretty questionable games to their record as well. They've grossly underperformed all expectations coming into this season, and they're already battling injury issues to a number of key players. I'm not downplaying what they did yesterday vs. STL, but they have chinks in the armor as much as anybody else.
Defense wins championships, right? Out of the AFC contenders right now, Houston is the only other defense I see as strong as DEN's defense has looked recently.
Please stop with the NE as world beaters talk- they still have O-line issues and they've had some pretty questionable games to their record as well. They've grossly underperformed all expectations coming into this season, and they're already battling injury issues to a number of key players. I'm not downplaying what they did yesterday vs. STL, but they have chinks in the armor as much as anybody else.
Defense wins championships, right? Out of the AFC contenders right now, Houston is the only other defense I see as strong as DEN's defense has looked recently.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Ravens are 5-2, so for them to wind up 10-6 they need 4 losses out of the following
ClevelandOakland@ Pittsburgh@ San DiegoPittsburgh@ WashingtonDenverNew York Giants@ CincinnatiWhich 4 games would they lose?
attaché case
Footballguy
Could be, rabbit....could be.
AtomicFalcon
Footballguy
Even though they were playing the Saints at home last night, this is clearly not the same team we saw the first few weeks of the season. The offense is really starting to click with Peyton Manning, and vis versa. As of right now, the Broncos should be considered a legitimate title threat.
It certainly helps that there is no clear cut powerhouse favorite as of right now.
It certainly helps that there is no clear cut powerhouse favorite as of right now.
The Kuhn
Footballguy
Ravens are terrible on the road. I could see losses against PIT and WAS on the road, and possibly NYG and DEN at home. Cleveland always plays them tough too.The Ravens are 5-2, so for them to wind up 10-6 they need 4 losses out of the following
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I see most of those as games they could lose, especially given how awful their defense now is, and how inconsistent they are on offense.The Ravens are 5-2, so for them to wind up 10-6 they need 4 losses out of the following
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Why is it that other teams can get better as the season progresses but not the Pats? In the Brady era, they have gone 8-0 to finish the season 4 times including the past two years. They were 7-1 two other times and 6-2 three other times.They have lost 3 times this year . . . by a combined 4 points. Their biggest issue has been guys being banged up, whther it be in the secondary, on the OL, their TEs, etc.. Sure, their defense gets gashed, but they are not as bad with all their starters playing.As far as a Pats / Broncos match up, the Broncos have lost to NE 3 times in their last 11 games played and they have allowed the Pats to score an average of 39 ppg. I get it that every game is different and that any outcome is possible, but DEN certainly has not shown that they have figured out how to stop the Pats offense.To clarify, I am not saying the Pats are the class of the NFL, only that people are writing them off too quickly. They do have flaws, but if they address them they could still end up the top seed in the AFC.
This just isn't even close to true. I look at it this way (no medical degree here to be sure
)1) Having fused vertebrae might even make one's neck more durable.. but reduce range of motion.2) The offensive line is actually quite good, and yes, he will get hit, but I don't think it will be as often as many other QB's.As others have said, many teams are 'one hit' away from being crappy. Hell, knees are weak spots, concussions are commonplace and torn shoulders aren't out of the question... there are many ways to get knocked out of the game, and the probability of those things happening are equal among all QB's.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
At this point, I don't see how anyone could really argue that Manning is more of an injury risk than any other QB. He has already shown that he can produce at the level he has previously, and any pro QB is one hit away from being out for the season. This is a non-starter as far as I am concerned. At this stage, I would think he is more apt to get a different injury than anything to do with his neck.
moleculo
Footballguy
you are absolutely correct. Denver D's biggest hole, IMO, is a complete inability to match up with a dynamic TE. Denver has no one that can fill that role. Pat's have two dynamic TE's, so that places even more stress on this mis-match. I don't know what Denver can do about it either.
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Every single one is loseable right now. If they go 6-3, they still end up 11-5 with a potential tie breaker going to Denver.The Ravens are 5-2, so for them to wind up 10-6 they need 4 losses out of the following
Brooking is making a solid difference in the run game since taking over for Mays. Still concerned with their coverage abilities, and the safeties, but with DJ coming back in two weeks he might assist with that. Kuper coming back has also solidified the offensive line. Should they play Houston again, JJ Watt will have a reduced impact.
moleculo
Footballguy
divisional rivalries are always tough. Let's say they split with pittsburgh. NYG in December - that's when the Giants traditionally start peaking and play their best ball. For fun, let's say they loose to Denver too. Not sure where the other loss comes from, but there are two other divisional road games here (@ CLE & @ CIN), plus traveling all the way west for a game in SD, and what looks to be a fairly tough game in WAS. They could easily drop one of these four...that would put them at 10-6, losing the tie-breaker to Denver.Assume they go 11-5. What two game on Denver's schedule do you see them dropping, to put them also at 11-5?@CIN@CARSD@KCTB@oak@BALCLEKC12/16, DEN @ BAL looks to be a pretty big game.The Ravens are 5-2, so for them to wind up 10-6 they need 4 losses out of the following
The Kuhn
Footballguy
I agree with moleculo about the TE coverage issue, but Gronk only had 4 catches earlier this season. NYJ, SEA, and ARI all have demonstrated schemes that can slow up the Pats.And above all, please don't put Broncos with Tebow and Broncos with Manning in the same statistic. The series is 1-0 Pats. This isn't even close to Tebow's team.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Okay, but the Broncos struggled to stop the Patriots offense in all three of those games, regardless of who was QBing the Broncos at the time. That is the point.
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The Kuhn
Footballguy
This has been discussed to death in other threads related to Football Jesus, but if you're only producing three and outs on offense, your defense will be hung out to dry.Back to reality- DEN isn't going anywhere if they don't fix this lost fumble streak- but if they get the turnovers under control, they can hang with anybody.
Denver faced the toughest schedule in the NFL over the first 6 weeks. Denver has the easiest schedule in the NFL over the last 10 weeks. Denver's first 6 opponents have won more combined games than their last 10 opponents. Denver is a game behind Baltimore (who just suffered some devastating injuries), and essentially a half game behind New England (not tied, because New England wins a two-team tiebreaker, but not a full game behind, because Denver can still win a three-team tiebreaker). You don't think 9 weeks against the most charmin-soft schedule in the league is enough to potentially make up that ground?According to Football Outsiders, Denver was the best team in the AFC coming into this week, and New England was a close second. This week's results shouldn't do too much to shake that up.
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Update: Denver is now first in DVOA, with the second best odds to win the SB (just a hair behind Houston, who has an advantage since they have the inside track on one of the byes).
Best in the West! At this point, who would Manning have to play on the road in the Playoffs? Houston? Baltimore? Both seem mortal. If the Broncos can tiptoe around the Patriots, there's no team in the AFC that I don't think the Broncos would have a hard time beating.
Strong defense with an offense that can pile it on.
Strong defense with an offense that can pile it on.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed. I think NE is still in line to get the 1 seed (I think they'll win out, and then they'll just need Houston to lose another game along with the one NE will win against them, and Balt won't go 5-1 or 6-0 down the stretch), so the 2 or 3 seed will be great. Winning at Baltimore could be critical in getting the 3 seed instead of being stuck at 4. And that would then possibly line up Baltimore and Pittsburgh to play in the first round, with the winner to go to NE in the 2nd round.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
No, just no. Denver will go into the playoffs on a roll because of their schedule.
But I don't think they stand up. Sorry.
Like the Broncos and their fans too and would love to see them in New Orleans, `77 all over again. But no.
But I don't think they stand up. Sorry.
Like the Broncos and their fans too and would love to see them in New Orleans, `77 all over again. But no.
