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PLEASE FIRE ANDY REID (1 Viewer)

The Eagles are 3-0 when McCoy has rushed 20 or more times in the game. When he's rushed less than 20 times, the Eagles are 0-6.

Reid has to go.
Please stop posting this useless stat. Lead RB's almost always get more carries when their teams are winning. The two are clearly correlated, but Correlation does NOT equal causation.ETA: I agree that Reid has to go though ;)
Useless stat? Have you watched every Eagle snap this year? I have, and I'll tell you that the problem on offense is just that.
Absolutely I have.Never said that AR uses McCoy correctly. But if you think 4 or 5 more McCoy carries in each loss would have somehow changed those games into wins, you're out of your mind.

The truth is that ALL LEAD RBs get a few more carries in games that their teams are winning. 20 is a cherry-picked number that is somewhat misleading....it doesn't prove what you seem to think it does.

 
The Eagles are 3-0 when McCoy has rushed 20 or more times in the game. When he's rushed less than 20 times, the Eagles are 0-6.

Reid has to go.
Please stop posting this useless stat. Lead RB's almost always get more carries when their teams are winning. The two are clearly correlated, but Correlation does NOT equal causation.ETA: I agree that Reid has to go though ;)
Useless stat? Have you watched every Eagle snap this year? I have, and I'll tell you that the problem on offense is just that.
Absolutely I have.Never said that AR uses McCoy correctly. But if you think 4 or 5 more McCoy carries in each loss would have somehow changed those games into wins, you're out of your mind.

The truth is that ALL LEAD RBs get a few more carries in games that their teams are winning. 20 is a cherry-picked number that is somewhat misleading....it doesn't prove what you seem to think it does.
I'm somewhere in the middle here. While I agree it isn't an exact science I do believe feeding your star is needed to be competitive.
 
This play just before the 2 minute warning is the kind of stuff that shows just how clueless Reid is and how inept he is at using a premier RB.

1-1-DAL1

(2:02) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete short right to D.Jackson. PENALTY on DAL-M.Claiborne, Defensive Offside, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 1 - No Play.

There is no freakin' reason to throw the ball here. You absolutely have to hand the ball to McCoy. If he gets stuffed the clock stops anyway. Do you think Houston would throw here and not give the ball to Foster?? Incredible to me. :wall:

 
This play just before the 2 minute warning is the kind of stuff that shows just how clueless Reid is and how inept he is at using a premier RB.

1-1-DAL1

(2:02) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete short right to D.Jackson. PENALTY on DAL-M.Claiborne, Defensive Offside, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 1 - No Play.

There is no freakin' reason to throw the ball here. You absolutely have to hand the ball to McCoy. If he gets stuffed the clock stops anyway. Do you think Houston would throw here and not give the ball to Foster?? Incredible to me. :wall:
:goodposting: Coaches around the league should take notes from Kubiak on how to use a premier RB to help you win games.

 
This play just before the 2 minute warning is the kind of stuff that shows just how clueless Reid is and how inept he is at using a premier RB.

1-1-DAL1

(2:02) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete short right to D.Jackson. PENALTY on DAL-M.Claiborne, Defensive Offside, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 1 - No Play.

There is no freakin' reason to throw the ball here. You absolutely have to hand the ball to McCoy. If he gets stuffed the clock stops anyway. Do you think Houston would throw here and not give the ball to Foster?? Incredible to me. :wall:
Come on now, it's been 14 years, dont you know a 4 yard pass is just as good as a 4 yard run? No matter when or where on the field.
 
I'll be surprised if Reid is still the head coach 24 hours from now.
You're gonna be surprised.
With Foles possibly starting now I can't imagine they feed him to the wolves without Reid roaming the sidelines.
Even if Vick were healthy and they lost this game, Reid rides out the year. Zero chance Lurie would've pulled the plug at any time during the season.
I can't envision any scenario where andy is fired before the end of the season.
 
I'll be surprised if Reid is still the head coach 24 hours from now.
You're gonna be surprised.
With Foles possibly starting now I can't imagine they feed him to the wolves without Reid roaming the sidelines.
Even if Vick were healthy and they lost this game, Reid rides out the year. Zero chance Lurie would've pulled the plug at any time during the season.
I can't envision any scenario where andy is fired before the end of the season.
Would he quit? I don't follow the Eagles but walking off the field to the boos, he looked like someone who was ready to quit
 
I'll be surprised if Reid is still the head coach 24 hours from now.
You're gonna be surprised.
With Foles possibly starting now I can't imagine they feed him to the wolves without Reid roaming the sidelines.
Even if Vick were healthy and they lost this game, Reid rides out the year. Zero chance Lurie would've pulled the plug at any time during the season.
I can't envision any scenario where andy is fired before the end of the season.
And look, with everything that Andy has done here over the years he doesn't deserve to be fired mid-season IMO
 
I'll be surprised if Reid is still the head coach 24 hours from now.
You're gonna be surprised.
With Foles possibly starting now I can't imagine they feed him to the wolves without Reid roaming the sidelines.
Even if Vick were healthy and they lost this game, Reid rides out the year. Zero chance Lurie would've pulled the plug at any time during the season.
I can't envision any scenario where andy is fired before the end of the season.
And look, with everything that Andy has done here over the years he doesn't deserve to be fired mid-season IMO
Agreed. He brought us the greatest run of Eagles football in the super Bowl era. Lurie will hold a press conference after the final game to announce that Andy will resign. Lurie won't use the term fire. they'll cite his son's death and the fatigue of coaching 14 seasons for andy to take some time off with his family. Lurie doesn't throw people under the bus.
 
Some Philly fans have taken the frustration level to new heights.. Torching a cowboys fans car at the linc..http://phillysportslive.com/eagles-fans-torch-cowyboys-fans-car-at-the-linc/
So was this like a literal metaphor for firing Andy? Otherwise not sure why this is here.
 
Credit to Jetmaxx for posting this in the Eagles thread. It's written by Ray Didinger, a HOF sports writer - not a random Eagles fan blogger with an axe to grind.

Eagles Film Study

The Dallas Cowboys played virtually the entire game Sunday in a nickel defense. No surprise there.

Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan knows who he is playing against when he comes to Philadelphia. As long as Andy Reid is in charge, it will be an air show.

So Ryan started the game in a nickel defense, usually with two linebackers and an extra defensive back. Sometimes he lined up with just two linemen, three linebackers and six defensive backs. It was clear Ryan had one thing in mind: playing the pass.

It was an open invitation for Reid and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg to hand the ball to LeSean McCoy. Last season, they did that and McCoy had the best game of his career -- 30 carries, 185 yards, two touchdowns -- and the Eagles routed Dallas, 34-7.

Ryan was betting they wouldn’t do it again Sunday. He was right.

On the opening drive, McCoy had three rushing attempts. He had just 13 more rushes in the 13 possessions that followed. That’s an average of one per possession for one of the top backs in the NFL. Two of those carries came as the Eagles were running out the clock before halftime so, really, they don’t even count.

There are many reasons why the Eagles are 3-6 and going nowhere. The defense is in a tailspin, the special teams are the worst in the league and the offensive line is a jumbled mess. But the thought process of Reid and Mornhinweg is a big part of the problem.

Watching tape of Sunday’s game, NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger and former Eagles running back Brian Westbrook hit the stop button a dozen times and said, “Look at this …”

Most often they were pointing at a Dallas defense that was set up for a McCoy run. The linemen, especially DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer on the edges, were ready to rush the quarterback. The linebackers were set to drop into coverage. The cornerbacks were one-on-one outside and the safeties were 20 to 25 yards deep.

Combine that soft look with the fact the Eagles were playing rookie Nick Foles at quarterback and the O-line was vulnerable to pressure, it seemed to make sense to hand the ball to McCoy. But play after play, series after series, Reid and Mornhinweg refused to do it.

One particular sequence stood out …

With less than four minutes remaining in the first half, the Eagles started a drive at their own 22. Dallas had just taken a 10-7 lead on a 30-yard field goal by Dan Bailey. On first down, Ware beat Demetress Bell cleanly and hit Foles from the blind side just as he was releasing the ball. Somehow Foles managed to get off an accurate throw to Clay Harbor for a seven-yard gain.

Now it was second-and-three at the 29 …

“This is a running down right here,” Baldinger said. “Your quarterback just took a big hit. You’ve seen that your tackle (Bell) can’t block Ware. As coaches you have a choice. You can either protect the rookie (quarterback) or not protect him. They don’t protect him.”

The Eagles came out in an I-formation, which suggested they might run the ball, but they did not. They went with a play-action pass -- Foles faking a handoff and throwing a pass to Brent Celek for eight yards. However, the overmatched Bell was caught holding Ware on the play. The penalty cost the Eagles 10 yards. Second-and-three turned into second-and-13. Foles threw two incomplete passes and the Eagles were forced to punt.

It seemed so wrong-headed, especially since the game was close through three quarters. Often, the Eagles’ coaches use the excuse they were way behind so they had to throw the ball to catch up. Games like the one Sunday are proof that the score really doesn’t matter. Reid and Mornhinweg throw because they want to throw, simple as that.

“They play like they are losing by 10 points all the time,” said Westbrook, who played in this offense for eight seasons.

The Eagles were ahead 14-10 in the third quarter, yet when they got the ball with 10:42 left, Reid and Mornhinweg called six consecutive passes. The Eagles were able to retain possession only because Dallas defenders committed penalties on back-to-back third downs -- Orlando Scandrick holding DeSean Jackson and Morris Clairborne interfering with Jeremy Maclin.

In the fourth quarter after Tony Romo hit Dez Bryant with a touchdown pass, the score was tied, 17-17. On the first play, Foles tried to throw a swing pass to McCoy but Spencer was in the way. Spencer intercepted the ball, but the Eagles were saved by a holding penalty on Claiborne. McCoy ran the next play but Foles passed (incomplete) on the next two downs.

Forced to punt, the Eagles’ coverage broke down and Dwayne Harris returned it 78 yards for a touchdown and a 24-17 lead. On the next possession, Foles threw a pass that tipped to cornerback Brandon Carr and turned into a 47-yard touchdown. Ball game.

“Dallas has six men in the box and you have maybe the best running back in the league,’ Baldinger said. “I’ll never understand why they don’t just put a hat on a hat (blocking) and let Shady run. It’s so frustrating to watch, but it’s the only way they know how to coach.”

Other observations off the tape:

• Baldinger and Westbrook gave Foles good marks for his regular-season debut. He made some mistakes but that’s not unexpected given the circumstances. His first pass hit Jason Avant in the face as he stumbled. “Jason is surprised to see the ball right on top of him,” Baldinger said, “but that’s how it is supposed to be thrown. (The ball) is right there as he comes out of his break. Mike (Vick) didn’t do that.”

• Both men were puzzled at the third-and-four call in which Vick ran a quarterback keeper around right end. Spencer and Jay Ratliff tackled him for no gain. Celek missed a block on Spencer. “If you want to run it, let McCoy run it,” Baldinger said. “He might make somebody miss. This (play) makes no sense.”

• The defense did a poor job of reacting to Dallas blocking on the edge. Twice the Cowboys had tight end Jason Witten put crack-back blocks on Brandon Graham and they turned the corner for good yardage. The second time, Witten knocked the Eagles’ defensive end to the ground. “One of the other (Eagles) has to tell him that is coming,” Baldinger said.

• There was no excuse for allowing Felix Jones to score on the 11-yard pass in the first quarter. Baldinger and Westbrook counted five missed tackles. “This should be a two-yard gain,” Baldinger said. “Wow, that’s bad defense.”

 
No need for a bump. We're well beyond calling for Reid to be fired. We've moved on to discussing replacement candidates and what players will follow him out the door. Also fun watching all the front office guys get the axe.

 
The Wallrus's past reputation is gaurenteed to land him a gig next season....God I hope its not with the Vikings.

It only took him two weeks but he obviously decided to work on the run game after McCoy got hurt and he finaly realized he was starting a rookie QB.

Thank You Andy Reid you have a great football mind.

 
how come everyone is being so hard on poor andy? :shrug:
Cause the guy is stubborn and doesn't get it. There are reasons coaches in this league or most leagues dont last this many years with one team. When owners get complacent, so do coaches. When that happens, they fail to adapt & keep trying to force their way only as any other is the wrong way regardless of results. Square peg round hole...that has been a phrase to describe Reid for YEARS now. He keeps touting the "thats on me, ill take responsibility for that" year after year yet nothing is done about it. Its all hollow. The whole " have to put players in a better position" week in and week out at his post games with the same results..players NOT in a better position ( again falls back on his stubborness/ego & how its his way or the wrong way philosophy. Everyone begged for Foles since early in the season. People were blaming Vick for the offense, the holding the ball too long, can't read defenses. That wasn't the problem, it was the play calling. The calling for 40+ passes a game on a QB whose been hit the most in the league is a recipe for disater. Many people started coming out asking where the run game is to offset the bad pass blocking. It never really came or when it did come, it was very inconsistent ( again, this has always been a problem ). Yet some of us said when Foles would come in if Vick got hurt, you might see a game or two when the run would be balanced. This happened before in the past. When McNabb was out for example...they turned to the back ups & set a simple game plan. They mixed in the run well, didnt pull crazy gimmick plays, offense worked well...problem is it was short lived because Reid just couldn't shy away from the pass heaviness. The more games that back up would play though, the more and more the passes would come and the runs diminished. That balanced offense would start to vanish back to Reids old pass heavy ways. Its been getting worse in recent years too. Worse meaning he would have that back up chuck it up right away. Look at say Kolb for example. When he came in to play cause McNabb got hurt in 09...his first game starting was vs NO...51 passes. 18 rushes ( between Westbrook & McCoy ). Next game...34 passes, 20 runs ( McCoy ).Then fast foward to the beginning of the season. Vick didnt have a preseason because of busted ribs ( people forget this ) so what did Reid do week 1? Have Vick toss it 60+ times. There was a stretch there of maybe 2 games where they actually had a balanced attack to help Vick out some ( as in running the ball ) and it was working...then all a sudden poof, back to same old ####. I actually called it in the Eagles thread, said it would take 2 games and back to the pass heavy crap and sadly i was dead on. This is where it gets worse now...Now you have Foles comes in vs Dallas cause Vick got hurt early...so what does he do for the rookie? ( always talking about putting players in a better position ) Has him toss the ball 30+ times with no run game. So what does he do the next game, Foles real first start?...50 pass plays. Now you had this game, Foles 2nd start ( 3rd game ) of the season....McCoy is out..so rookie qb and rookie rb...balanced game plan for the most part. They actually put up points. Brown runs a hell of a game. Defense sucked ###, some odd as play calling towars the end sadly screwed it. They would gain yards on the runs..then one run might not go anywhere and boom, passing passing passing etc etc. Now the question that some of the post game guys asked ( and have asked in the past ) ...where the hell was this balanced game plan when Vick was QBing? This is some of the reason we are so hard on Andy. Its the same crap, different pile year in year out. Frankly, the past few years has been nothing but regression.Alot of the stuff he is doing is just getting more off the wall then normal, especially with play calling this season. It has been completely bizarre. For instance, you are down late in the 4th quarter and...he decides to run the ball consistently. Doing nothing but running the clock out for the winning team. Or having McCoy in with under 2 minutes left vs the Redskins...down 25pts..RUNNING THE BALL.Read that sentence. His excuse was he was trying to win the game...with under 2 minutes left by running the ball when down 25 in the 4th.
 
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how come everyone is being so hard on poor andy? :shrug:
Everyone begged for Foles since early in the season. People were blaming Vick for the offense, the holding the ball too long, can't read defenses. That wasn't the problem, it was the play calling. The calling for 40+ passes a game on a QB whose been hit the most in the league is a recipe for disater. Many people started coming out asking where the run game is to offset the bad pass blocking. It never really came or when it did come, it was very inconsistent ( again, this has always been a problem ). Yet some of us said when Foles would come in if Vick got hurt, you might see a game or two when the run would be balanced.
Wanted to expand on the highlighted. Not only does Reid drop back to pass way too much with a makeshift o-line (of his own creation) and a fragile QB, but remember Vick only had 7 snaps in the pre-season. What did they do in the first game? Had Vick pass 60 times, while leading most of the game. 60 passes, for your fragile QB who had 7 pre-season snaps.Andy Reid, super genius.

 
Should Reid have stepped down after his son's death? The way the season has gone, maybe he isn't in a condition to handle the rigors of the job.

Seems to me he lost something years ago when his son was arrested for the drug use.

 
It is real interesting to see people take sides on this because its not like this is some random coach on a first HC job and its year 2 or 3 of an obvious bad fit (in other words, its not like its the Carolina panthers situation). This is one of the longest tenured coaches in the NFL who has given the Eagles their most sustained success they have had in the modern era.

But I agree, he has to leave Philly and I agree he will resurface somewhere. I'm looking at about 8 (25% of the league) teams that will likely make changes in their coaching staff and/or GM this offseason. THe musical chairs will be kind to Andy, I'm sure.

 
It is real interesting to see people take sides on this because its not like this is some random coach on a first HC job and its year 2 or 3 of an obvious bad fit (in other words, its not like its the Carolina panthers situation). This is one of the longest tenured coaches in the NFL who has given the Eagles their most sustained success they have had in the modern era. But I agree, he has to leave Philly and I agree he will resurface somewhere. I'm looking at about 8 (25% of the league) teams that will likely make changes in their coaching staff and/or GM this offseason. THe musical chairs will be kind to Andy, I'm sure.
I agree he'll land somewhere, but I wonder if he'll take a year off. The Eagles still owe him around $6 mil next year if he's not on another team. Will another team pay him upwards of $6 mil? He may spend some time with the family and re-surface in 2014.Like I asked in another thread, would fans of KC, SD, Car, Ari, Jax be happy if Reid was their coach next year? Would you commit 5 years at $6 mil per?
 
It is real interesting to see people take sides on this because its not like this is some random coach on a first HC job and its year 2 or 3 of an obvious bad fit (in other words, its not like its the Carolina panthers situation). This is one of the longest tenured coaches in the NFL who has given the Eagles their most sustained success they have had in the modern era. But I agree, he has to leave Philly and I agree he will resurface somewhere. I'm looking at about 8 (25% of the league) teams that will likely make changes in their coaching staff and/or GM this offseason. THe musical chairs will be kind to Andy, I'm sure.
I agree he'll land somewhere, but I wonder if he'll take a year off. The Eagles still owe him around $6 mil next year if he's not on another team. Will another team pay him upwards of $6 mil? He may spend some time with the family and re-surface in 2014.Like I asked in another thread, would fans of KC, SD, Car, Ari, Jax be happy if Reid was their coach next year? Would you commit 5 years at $6 mil per?
Yeah, I think Fisher taking a year off totally recharged his battery. I would think it would be smart but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Andy doesn't end up in Cleveland (I bet Bracie just spit coffee at his screen...soory man) or somewhere.Regarding Arizona, I think Whiz is a fine coach. I like his management and philosophy. They simply don't have a QB in a league where you MUST have a QB and they don't have an o-line in a league where you must have an O-line. They simply are talent-deficient in some areas that are glaring. But the coach is fine, IMO. I would not be opposed to seeing Andy be the OC in Arizona next year and them draft a top rookie QB. I think that might work.
 
It is real interesting to see people take sides on this because its not like this is some random coach on a first HC job and its year 2 or 3 of an obvious bad fit (in other words, its not like its the Carolina panthers situation). This is one of the longest tenured coaches in the NFL who has given the Eagles their most sustained success they have had in the modern era. But I agree, he has to leave Philly and I agree he will resurface somewhere. I'm looking at about 8 (25% of the league) teams that will likely make changes in their coaching staff and/or GM this offseason. THe musical chairs will be kind to Andy, I'm sure.
I agree he'll land somewhere, but I wonder if he'll take a year off. The Eagles still owe him around $6 mil next year if he's not on another team. Will another team pay him upwards of $6 mil? He may spend some time with the family and re-surface in 2014.Like I asked in another thread, would fans of KC, SD, Car, Ari, Jax be happy if Reid was their coach next year? Would you commit 5 years at $6 mil per?
Yeah, I think Fisher taking a year off totally recharged his battery. I would think it would be smart but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Andy doesn't end up in Cleveland (I bet Bracie just spit coffee at his screen...soory man) or somewhere.
0% chance he comes to Cleveland, he won the power struggle vs. Banner, which is how Banner ended up in Cleveland. Banner's not bringing that into his house.
 
why is reid firing all these assistant coaches? anyone else find this odd? like maybe he's reforming his staff for next year?

on another note, i won't watch a game next year if they hire this moron from the panthers.

 
why is reid firing all these assistant coaches? anyone else find this odd? like maybe he's reforming his staff for next year?on another note, i won't watch a game next year if they hire this moron from the panthers.
There were reports that Washburn was undermining Castillo, including calling him "Juanita" in front of the team. Then add in that his D-Line has been getting trampled every week. It had to be done.
 
OK, this article is just hilarious: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20121204_John_Smallwood_.html

I'm not saying Reid was like a coach sitting in a catbird seat, but he was 180 degrees different from the walking zombie who held the same day-after-game media conference last week after a loss to the Carolina Panthers. This Reid seemed like he might know something that the rest of us did not, and considering his close relationship with Lurie, he probably does.
So John Smallwood got a 700-word article with a 'shocker' lede out of an observation from one press conference that ... Reid is being secretive and acting like he knows something the rest of us don't. Because that's never been something we've seen from this organization in the past! :lmao:

So, mission accomplished, Philly.com. You mamaged to find a way to drum up a huge Tuesday-morning spike in your web traffic for no real reason. Bully for you.

Having said that ... if Lurie calls a presser at season's end to announce that he's bringing Reid back as HC, I will be at the head of the line at Modell's within the hour, buying my son and daughter a matching pair of Drew Brees jerseys.

 

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