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Is it unreasonable to assume that even if you start a fight with someone (right or wrong) that at some point you might be in fear of losing your life? If so, do you die like a man or do you do what is necessary to come out on top even if it means taking a life? Is that still murder?
Read this report carefully. Note "no bleeding noticed in nares". Nares are nostrils. Only the EMT responding said broken nose. Zimmerman refused treatment. Zimmerman went to the doctor to get an excuse for work. He ignored the doctor's referral. There is no evidence of a broken nose.
Yeah, all had been long term pistol owners who then went through a class and passed. Thus "trained gun people".
No evidence aside from the doctor who said it was broken after examining it right?
No link? Just you're unbiased interpretation of this video we all don't know if even exists?
Yes - please read it carefully.
I should clarify that by holes I mean lies or things that could not possibly have happened. Everything people seem to be saying against his story is that it's not believable.
Ive never seen it on the net, I saw it on TV a pretty long time ago. No need to take my word for it though, if you think I'm lying, just ignore it.
It was in reply to his "unbiased" can do it blindfolded statement. Why didnt you take that to task CH?
I thought it was his 3) wanton disregard for rules and authority. Which coincides withe bolded above.
You are the first person to mention that today, everyone else is hellbent on proving his nose wasn't broken or that Martin's finger prints/dna were not on the gun which Zimmerman never stated Martin touched.So that "stuff" you mentioned, is any of it illegal?The parts that are illegal, what evidence does the prosecution have to support the illegal actions that Zimmerman committed.Also this is the first I'm hearing that Zimmerman was on Neighborhood Watch duty that night, do you have something to back that up?
I find it astounding that on one hand zimmy claims hes being suffocated ,yet on the other hand we have someone on a 911 call screaming uninterrupted for quite some time ...which is it? Dont say both...in this case you cant have your cake and eat it too.
No, but circumstantial evidence can and does mount up. After all we are talking about what his "intent" was. Which will be laid before the jury to make a determination.
That screams vigilante then.
You are reaching and you know it. I look forward to watching the prosecution prove he confronted Martin.He has a minute and 33 seconds on his side giving Martin more than ample time to flee, not to mention all the time prior to that on the phone with dispatch, plus the fact that his keys were found within 6' of the sidewalk where he was walking while on the phone.
So he was out cruising the neighborhood with a gun? Getting out of his car, chasing people down through the rain at nite while not even actively "on duty"?
He's not the one that needed to be fleeing. He was already on his way home.
Would be much the same had Trayvon killed Zimmerman. He would be claiming stand your ground defense.
Let's stop the ridiculous spin, shall we? Are we really going to pretend not to know all the facts in making such asinine statements?
.....The part where you forget to mention it was in all likelihood Martin who hid and approached Zimmerman and proceeded to kick is ###. Your portrayal of events is pure one-sided spin.
Its not likely at all. Though if he felt cornered and threatend, its possible once the distance had been closed..
It's pretty clear you are afraid of guns. People that have a ccw license are not a threat to you or society, quite the contrary. There are plenty of statistics that back this up.Dispatch asked him which direction Martin was running so he had every right to leave his vehicle.
zimm ''Into the dark behind some buildings....maybe i should just stay in my car and wait for the cops,following him could be dangerous...oh wait....i have a gun...what am I worried about''
in all likelihood?
Would you have perferred "In near certainty"?in all likelihood?
Neither of which (following someone with or without gun) is against the law.
The entire episode never happens if Martin proceeds to go home either. But everyone knows he did not.Its not likely at all. Though if he felt cornered and threatend, its possible once the distance had been closed..But thats on Zimmerman who should have stayed in his car, with his gun.This entire episode never happens if Zimmerman doesnt go after Martin. But everyone knows he did.
Yes, I'm sure the good folk of Florida would be just fine if black men with guns started following them around for no reason.Zimm was just carrying on an old southern tradition. Harrass the powerless until you provoke them, then when they respond to the provocation use the full power of the law to make sure they know their place in the pecking order.Anyone know if SYG allows for lynching if there's no gun handy?
Who's being racist now? What's this old southern tradition involving Latinos that you speak of?
Pathetic posting. About par for this whole horrid thread. Can't people discuss this case without the ridiculous hyperbola's and emotionally-loaded one-sided spin?
WHOOSH..... My point isn't that Z didn't know where it was. My point was that Z stated that his hands were up by his head while Martin's hands were by Z's chest heading down when Z indicates that Martin was going for his gun. I was inferring that based on this, Martin saw the gun and was reaching for it (based on Z's statement). Martin only had to move from chest to hip. Z had to move from head to hip (a much more awkward movement IMO). The defense will bring this up to raise doubts about Z's veracity.Jojo the circus boy said:
