Salon Article - Gentrification / Racism / White Supremacy (1 Viewer)

Joe Bryant said:

jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

I think the writer goes overboard when he claims gentrification is itself violence. By doing so he's negating any meaningful definition of the term, and also setting himself up as an extremist whose arguments can be ignored.

And that's unfortunate, because within the article he does make some very good points. It is absolutely true IMO that white people are safer in "bad" areas than minorities are.

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You are as nutty as the author. That is an absurd point. There are towns where police will warn white people not to go in because it is not safe for them.

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Part of why this thread worked was that we didn't call each other "nutty". Please stop doing stuff like that. TIA.

J

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drummer said:

Joe Bryant said:

jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

I think the writer goes overboard when he claims gentrification is itself violence. By doing so he's negating any meaningful definition of the term, and also setting himself up as an extremist whose arguments can be ignored.

And that's unfortunate, because within the article he does make some very good points. It is absolutely true IMO that white people are safer in "bad" areas than minorities are.

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You are as nutty as the author. That is an absurd point. There are towns where police will warn white people not to go in because it is not safe for them.

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Part of why this thread worked was that we didn't call each other "nutty". Please stop doing stuff like that. TIA.

J

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It is an absurd statement. It's more insulting throwing bait like that out in this thread to the posters than calling someone nutty. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.

Mods are better served trying to weed out obvious posters who troll and then ask to get the thread locked, or those who post race bait like the ones in The Shark Pool. This is just my opinion, but I think the warning is excessive given the history of anecdotal hyperbole from the poster being called nutty. It's Compton for crying out loud. Even I don't feel safe there, and I'm Latino.

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Joe Bryant said:

jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

I think the writer goes overboard when he claims gentrification is itself violence. By doing so he's negating any meaningful definition of the term, and also setting himself up as an extremist whose arguments can be ignored.

And that's unfortunate, because within the article he does make some very good points. It is absolutely true IMO that white people are safer in "bad" areas than minorities are.

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You are as nutty as the author. That is an absurd point. There are towns where police will warn white people not to go in because it is not safe for them.

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Part of why this thread worked was that we didn't call each other "nutty". Please stop doing stuff like that. TIA.

J

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jon_mx said:

Joe Bryant said:

jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

I think the writer goes overboard when he claims gentrification is itself violence. By doing so he's negating any meaningful definition of the term, and also setting himself up as an extremist whose arguments can be ignored.

And that's unfortunate, because within the article he does make some very good points. It is absolutely true IMO that white people are safer in "bad" areas than minorities are.

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You are as nutty as the author. That is an absurd point. There are towns where police will warn white people not to go in because it is not safe for them.

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Part of why this thread worked was that we didn't call each other "nutty". Please stop doing stuff like that. TIA.

J

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You don't think it is an absurd point based entirely upon this guy's anecdotal evidence of being a medic in Williamsburg? I am sorry, I should not have made it a personal point against TIm, but it is a statement which flies in the face of common knowledge which needed a lot more evidence than what was provided in this article. The article is filled with lots of big words and some broad sweeping accusations, but zero substance to back any of it up with.

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Joe Bryant said:

drummer said:

Joe Bryant said:

jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

I think the writer goes overboard when he claims gentrification is itself violence. By doing so he's negating any meaningful definition of the term, and also setting himself up as an extremist whose arguments can be ignored.

And that's unfortunate, because within the article he does make some very good points. It is absolutely true IMO that white people are safer in "bad" areas than minorities are.

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You are as nutty as the author. That is an absurd point. There are towns where police will warn white people not to go in because it is not safe for them.

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Part of why this thread worked was that we didn't call each other "nutty". Please stop doing stuff like that. TIA.

J

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It is an absurd statement. It's more insulting throwing bait like that out in this thread to the posters than calling someone nutty. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.

Mods are better served trying to weed out obvious posters who troll and then ask to get the thread locked, or those who post race bait like the ones in The Shark Pool. This is just my opinion, but I think the warning is excessive given the history of anecdotal hyperbole from the poster being called nutty. It's Compton for crying out loud. Even I don't feel safe there, and I'm Latino.

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Sorry. Still stands. A big reason this thread was successful is that people were mature enough not to drop down to name calling when they disagreed with each other.

We're going to have more of that and not less. I totally understand if that's not for you.

J

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drummer said:

Joe Bryant said:

drummer said:

Joe Bryant said:

jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

I think the writer goes overboard when he claims gentrification is itself violence. By doing so he's negating any meaningful definition of the term, and also setting himself up as an extremist whose arguments can be ignored.

And that's unfortunate, because within the article he does make some very good points. It is absolutely true IMO that white people are safer in "bad" areas than minorities are.

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You are as nutty as the author. That is an absurd point. There are towns where police will warn white people not to go in because it is not safe for them.

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Part of why this thread worked was that we didn't call each other "nutty". Please stop doing stuff like that. TIA.

J

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It is an absurd statement. It's more insulting throwing bait like that out in this thread to the posters than calling someone nutty. It's like saying racism doesn't exist.

Mods are better served trying to weed out obvious posters who troll and then ask to get the thread locked, or those who post race bait like the ones in The Shark Pool. This is just my opinion, but I think the warning is excessive given the history of anecdotal hyperbole from the poster being called nutty. It's Compton for crying out loud. Even I don't feel safe there, and I'm Latino.

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Sorry. Still stands. A big reason this thread was successful is that people were mature enough not to drop down to name calling when they disagreed with each other.

We're going to have more of that and not less. I totally understand if that's not for you.

J

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You missed the point. My first post here was addressing the issue because I lived in SF, which is currently undergoing historic gentrification due to the Tech industry. I'm not here to call anyone names, just here to call out any BS when it applies.

ETA: I get what you're saying, and it's your thread so I will respect that when it applies to name calling. But it's hard to get out of the general practice in the FFA as well as The Pool, due to how crazy they both have become. It's like we having to turn down the volume just for this thread. I appreciate the effort of bringing quality discussion back, and you are missed here. But the genie is out of the bottle so to speak.

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Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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johnjohn said:

White people may be targeted in black neighborhoods , not by the majority, which are good people, but by the angry black people living in that area. All those black people hear in the media is how racist white people are and combine that with anger for whatever reason, why then wouldn't a white person be more likely to get attacked by said angry black person.

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drummer said:

johnjohn said:

White people may be targeted in black neighborhoods , not by the majority, which are good people, but by the angry black people living in that area. All those black people hear in the media is how racist white people are and combine that with anger for whatever reason, why then wouldn't a white person be more likely to get attacked by said angry black person.

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Now this thread is derailed.

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johnjohn said:

drummer said:

johnjohn said:

White people may be targeted in black neighborhoods , not by the majority, which are good people, but by the angry black people living in that area. All those black people hear in the media is how racist white people are and combine that with anger for whatever reason, why then wouldn't a white person be more likely to get attacked by said angry black person.

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Now this thread is derailed.

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Please reply to my post logically and lets keep the bullying out of it.

Thanks

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drummer said:

Clifford said:

IvanKaramazov said:

I won't get a chance to read this until later this afternoon, but when an author starts out with something flatly wrong and nonsensical ("Gentrification is violence") it's hard to get my hopes up.

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Me too. Normally I would never read past something this blatantly agenda-driven, jingoistic and frankly ignorant and immature. Reads like it was written by someone in their early twenties.

Gentrification is violence. Couched in white supremacy, it is a systemic, intentional process of uprooting communities. It’s been on the rise, increasing at a frantic rate in the last 20 years, but the roots stretch back to the disenfranchisement that resulted from white flight and segregationist policies.

Yeah I'm sorry but that article is complete trash. Total utter liberal trash. Poorly thought, written, and just a horrible take on what could be an interesting subject if it weren't 100% about the authors opinions, most of which center around hating white people and #####ing about the show Girls

If you'd like to find a better, thought-provoking article for the discussion I'll read it. My cousin in an integral part of the anti-Google gentrification protests in San Francisco, so it's an interesting topic, I just don't think this is the right piece to spur discussion.

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This would be interesting. I lived in SF during the first wave of a Tech Boom (the dot.com boom and bust), which was the start of gentrification in SF, especially in the the once very diverse and affordable Mission District. It priced out families who lived there for years. Now with the current wave, it's even worse. I dunno the effect on crime it has since I left there, but one thing is for certain, prostitution has been more enforced by arrests then when I lived in the Mission.

If the Tenderloin is gentrified, then it's all over.

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Eephus said:

drummer said:

Clifford said:

IvanKaramazov said:

I won't get a chance to read this until later this afternoon, but when an author starts out with something flatly wrong and nonsensical ("Gentrification is violence") it's hard to get my hopes up.

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Me too. Normally I would never read past something this blatantly agenda-driven, jingoistic and frankly ignorant and immature. Reads like it was written by someone in their early twenties.

Gentrification is violence. Couched in white supremacy, it is a systemic, intentional process of uprooting communities. It’s been on the rise, increasing at a frantic rate in the last 20 years, but the roots stretch back to the disenfranchisement that resulted from white flight and segregationist policies.

Yeah I'm sorry but that article is complete trash. Total utter liberal trash. Poorly thought, written, and just a horrible take on what could be an interesting subject if it weren't 100% about the authors opinions, most of which center around hating white people and #####ing about the show Girls

If you'd like to find a better, thought-provoking article for the discussion I'll read it. My cousin in an integral part of the anti-Google gentrification protests in San Francisco, so it's an interesting topic, I just don't think this is the right piece to spur discussion.

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This would be interesting. I lived in SF during the first wave of a Tech Boom (the dot.com boom and bust), which was the start of gentrification in SF, especially in the the once very diverse and affordable Mission District. It priced out families who lived there for years. Now with the current wave, it's even worse. I dunno the effect on crime it has since I left there, but one thing is for certain, prostitution has been more enforced by arrests then when I lived in the Mission.

If the Tenderloin is gentrified, then it's all over.

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I've stayed out of this thread today because the situation in SF is atypical with rent control, a multi-racial population and the recent insane increases in property values. I've lived through a couple of local waves of gentrification. I arrived in the early 80s at the end of the largely Gay driven gentrification boom in the Castro and Western Addition. We lived in the Mission for most of the 80s and 90s leaving just before the dot com boom in the neighborhood. We used to have to shoo away the Capp St. hookers from turning tricks in our driveway. And now we live on the Lower Haight/Hayes Valley border where 1200 sq ft condos are now going for $800K.

It's unprecedented in terms of the money involved but once you strip away the dollar signs, I think the big difference this time around is that white people West of Twin Peaks are getting displaced by richer and younger white people. Sure there are still Latins and Asians getting booted from the Mission but the people complaining the loudest are predominantly Caucasian. I don't blame them for fighting for their neighborhood but we're all just passing through. It wasn't that long ago that the protesters or others like them were displacing the Mexican and Salvadoran families who lived there before.

Cities are dynamic and neighborhoods are always in flux. But the local media doesn't care as much about Asians in the Sunset. My in-laws are African-American homeowners in the Bayview and the amount of change in that neighborhood over the past ten years has been remarkable. There's still no grocery store for miles but the faces are a lot lighter than they once were. But since no protesters are laying down on the tracks of the T-Line, it doesn't make the evening news.

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drummer said:

johnjohn said:

drummer said:

johnjohn said:

White people may be targeted in black neighborhoods , not by the majority, which are good people, but by the angry black people living in that area. All those black people hear in the media is how racist white people are and combine that with anger for whatever reason, why then wouldn't a white person be more likely to get attacked by said angry black person.

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Now this thread is derailed.

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Please reply to my post logically and lets keep the bullying out of it.

Thanks

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Nobody is bullying you. That's about as logical as it's worthy.

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johnjohn said:

drummer said:

johnjohn said:

drummer said:

johnjohn said:

White people may be targeted in black neighborhoods , not by the majority, which are good people, but by the angry black people living in that area. All those black people hear in the media is how racist white people are and combine that with anger for whatever reason, why then wouldn't a white person be more likely to get attacked by said angry black person.

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Now this thread is derailed.

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Please reply to my post logically and lets keep the bullying out of it.

Thanks

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Nobody is bullying you. That's about as logical as it's worthy.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbmUilQm58o explain that t hen. clearly the media feeding constant BS about white people being racist played a major part in that

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cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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jonessed said:

cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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jon_mx said:

timschochet said:

I think the writer goes overboard when he claims gentrification is itself violence. By doing so he's negating any meaningful definition of the term, and also setting himself up as an extremist whose arguments can be ignored.

And that's unfortunate, because within the article he does make some very good points. It is absolutely true IMO that white people are safer in "bad" areas than minorities are.

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You are as nutty as the author. That is an absurd point. There are towns where police will warn white people not to go in because it is not safe for them.

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cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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Jayrod said:

Maybe I'm just a little too influenced by having just read Atlas Shrugged, but why is it anyone's responsibility to maintain another person's standard of living? If a group of people find their neighborhood is now too expensive for them, then that is on them, not the people who have earned more and want to live in that neighborhood. You want to afford nicer things? Make more money, or at least be wiser with what you have.

Pure economics are colorblind. If someone is rooting out a neighborhood simply because of race, that is one thing...but I highly doubt that is ever happening.

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cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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IvanKaramazov said:

cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture." When you talk to your neighbors about The Walking Dead, your NCAA bracket, or Spike Lee's latest outburst, you're participating in our shared North American culture, most of which is skewed toward the tastes and preferences of the white middle class.

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IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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IvanKaramazov said:

cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture." When you talk to your neighbors about The Walking Dead, your NCAA bracket, or Spike Lee's latest outburst, you're participating in our shared North American culture, most of which is skewed toward the tastes and preferences of the white middle class.

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Joe Bryant said:

IvanKaramazov said:

cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture." When you talk to your neighbors about The Walking Dead, your NCAA bracket, or Spike Lee's latest outburst, you're participating in our shared North American culture, most of which is skewed toward the tastes and preferences of the white middle class.

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But don't you distill it way down much deeper than that?

J

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fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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Yikes.

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IvanKaramazov said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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Yikes.

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Is this even a controversial statement? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything in American popular culture that doesn't enjoy a strong following among whites.

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fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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Yikes.

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Is this even a controversial statement? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything in American popular culture that doesn't enjoy a strong following among whites.

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I think you're defining culture too broadly if you're just calling it "what people like." When someone talks about Indian culture, they're referencing the foods and clothes and art, etc. that is closely associated with the Indian people. There are undoubtedly plenty of Indian people that like to listen to hip-hop music, but I don't consider that to be part of "Indian culture." I don't think most people would.

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fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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Yikes.

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Is this even a controversial statement? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything in American popular culture that doesn't enjoy a strong following among whites.

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I think you're defining culture too broadly if you're just calling it "what people like." When someone talks about Indian culture, they're referencing the foods and clothes and art, etc. that is closely associated with the Indian people. There are undoubtedly plenty of Indian people that like to listen to hip-hop music, but I don't consider that to be part of "Indian culture." I don't think most people would.

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johnjohn said:

White people may be targeted in black neighborhoods , not by the majority, which are good people, but by the angry black people living in that area. All those black people hear in the media is how racist white people are and combine that with anger for whatever reason, why then wouldn't a white person be more likely to get attacked by said angry black person.

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IvanKaramazov said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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Yikes.

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Is this even a controversial statement? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything in American popular culture that doesn't enjoy a strong following among whites.

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IvanKaramazov said:

Do you think it's reasonable for a white person to complain about feeling like a nomad in modern-day America?

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johnjohn said:

drummer said:

johnjohn said:

drummer said:

johnjohn said:

White people may be targeted in black neighborhoods , not by the majority, which are good people, but by the angry black people living in that area. All those black people hear in the media is how racist white people are and combine that with anger for whatever reason, why then wouldn't a white person be more likely to get attacked by said angry black person.

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Now this thread is derailed.

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Please reply to my post logically and lets keep the bullying out of it.

Thanks

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Nobody is bullying you. That's about as logical as it's worthy.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbmUilQm58o explain that t hen. clearly the media feeding constant BS about white people being racist played a major part in that

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Joe Bryant said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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Yikes.

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Is this even a controversial statement? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything in American popular culture that doesn't enjoy a strong following among whites.

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I think you're defining culture too broadly if you're just calling it "what people like." When someone talks about Indian culture, they're referencing the foods and clothes and art, etc. that is closely associated with the Indian people. There are undoubtedly plenty of Indian people that like to listen to hip-hop music, but I don't consider that to be part of "Indian culture." I don't think most people would.

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That's how I'm seeing it too. Seems like IK is looking at it way too broadly. But maybe that's what ctsu is saying. It's so broad as to be non specific. Never really thought of it like that.

It may be off base, but I think of "culture" sort of like "local flavor". Seems to me that many areas have a definite local flavor that I guess I seem to equate with "culture".

J

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IvanKaramazov said:

Do you think it's reasonable for a white person to complain about feeling like a nomad in modern-day America?

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No, that's pretty dumb. Unless the white person is living some sort of nomadic lifestyle I guess. Like some hippie dude that works as ski patrol during the winter and then guides whitewater rafting trips in the summer and plays acoustic guitar on a city street corner during off months.

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Jayrod said:

Maybe I'm just a little too influenced by having just read Atlas Shrugged, but why is it anyone's responsibility to maintain another person's standard of living? If a group of people find their neighborhood is now too expensive for them, then that is on them, not the people who have earned more and want to live in that neighborhood. You want to afford nicer things? Make more money, or at least be wiser with what you have.

Pure economics are colorblind. If someone is rooting out a neighborhood simply because of race, that is one thing...but I highly doubt that is ever happening.

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jonessed said:

cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Rich Conway said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Do you think it's reasonable for a white person to complain about feeling like a nomad in modern-day America?

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No, that's pretty dumb. Unless the white person is living some sort of nomadic lifestyle I guess. Like some hippie dude that works as ski patrol during the winter and then guides whitewater rafting trips in the summer and plays acoustic guitar on a city street corner during off months.

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It would still be pretty dumb for that guy to complain about being a nomad, after actively choosing to be a nomad.

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IvanKaramazov said:

cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture." When you talk to your neighbors about The Walking Dead, your NCAA bracket, or Spike Lee's latest outburst, you're participating in our shared North American culture, most of which is skewed toward the tastes and preferences of the white middle class.

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IvanKaramazov said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

fatguyinalittlecoat said:

IvanKaramazov said:

Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture."

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Yikes.

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Is this even a controversial statement? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything in American popular culture that doesn't enjoy a strong following among whites.

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I think you're defining culture too broadly if you're just calling it "what people like." When someone talks about Indian culture, they're referencing the foods and clothes and art, etc. that is closely associated with the Indian people. There are undoubtedly plenty of Indian people that like to listen to hip-hop music, but I don't consider that to be part of "Indian culture." I don't think most people would.

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Do you think it's reasonable for a white person to complain about feeling like a nomad in modern-day America?

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Clifford said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

Joe Bryant said:

cstu said:

And where do those people whose families have lived in that neighborhood for generations go? I mean, sure, they probably got a fair price for their houses. But now they're nomads, culturally speaking.

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Welcome to being white.

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I don't know if this is shtick or if you really think that but elaborate more on what you mean instead of just throwing out things like that. Thanks.

J

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What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Not really. Irish have a culture, Italians, Polish, etc. If you can trace it back to a country there is a culture. But there is no white culture because there is no common ancestry. Even in a purely 21st century sense I don't see any themes, music, or philosophy uniting white people.

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Clifford said:

IvanKaramazov said:

cstu said:

jonessed said:

cstu said:

What I mean is that white people have no culture. There's no culture in a neighborhood where I can bond with another white person over our similar ancestry. Maybe it's still like that in some Irish or Italian neighborhoods, but not anywhere I've ever lived. So as a white person I mainly shop for a neighborhood by what it provides rather than any sense of identity. Essentially, a nomad.

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That's absurd.

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Ok, what's my culture?

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Pretty much all of American pop culture could fairly be categorized as "white culture." When you talk to your neighbors about The Walking Dead, your NCAA bracket, or Spike Lee's latest outburst, you're participating in our shared North American culture, most of which is skewed toward the tastes and preferences of the white middle class.

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Culture is deeper than tv and news. It comes from a shared history, something white people in North America don't have.

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