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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Concept Coop
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I got offered a top 4 likely pick next year for him and I'm fairly deep at RB but not sure as I like Richardson too.
I'd rather trade Ray Rice than Richardson? thoughts
cstu
Footballguy
Richardson will at best a mediocre starting RB - top 4 has a chance of getting you a player much better than Richardson.
CBower4545
Footballguy
non-ppr
Team A: 2015 1st and 2015 3rd
Team B: Larry Fitzgerald
Team A: 2015 1st and 2015 3rd
Team B: Larry Fitzgerald
CBower4545
Footballguy
non-ppr, Team B is a contender
Team A: Boldin, 2.12, 3.08, 2015 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Team B: Antonio Brown, 5.1, 2015 5th
Team A: Boldin, 2.12, 3.08, 2015 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Team B: Antonio Brown, 5.1, 2015 5th
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
CBower4545
Footballguy
I know I am in the minority here, but I am with you. I am just not ready to completely cut bait with Richardson. It sounds like good value, but I wouldn't blame you for holding. I would also prefer sending Rice to Richardson.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Yeah, I was keying off "at best." At best he gets the job due to team investment, being better, or the other guys not regaining pre-injury form, all of which are in play and more likely than not. Even if we are dumping on his talent level, which I am fine with and you could even say is incontrovertible, he still has statistical upside in the offense.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Good move for Larry if you need a WR to help compete, and the future 1st isnt a likely top 3-4 pick.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The 2015 1st and 3rd does belong to a team who is throwing out a pretty nice lineup. Rodgers, Mccoy, Bell, Murray, Dez, Julio, Marshall, Julius, and a couple nice subs like Harvin and Martellus Bennet (remember 1.5 PPR for TE).
Definitely changes the dynamic of the trade depending on what the future 1st looks like considering Witten and Julius are both good plays and probably score similar points this year. But we went with Julius since he is quite a bit younger with more upside the next couple years. After Manning, who knows, but he should still be decent enough to be worth a late 1st to me.
Dez
Footballguy
What is it you think would be fair then in picks to add to Witten ? Thomas is 25 about to turn 26. Witten just turned 32. 1.5 TE PPR roster in season limit of 20 players cut down to 14 position players by 2/28 every season.
There is zero chance the guy would have taken less than what is projected as a late 1st (though anything can happen with injuries and players just sucking).
Curious if you really believe that Witten and a 2nd was fair value ?
Concept Coop
Footballguy
My thoughts: Witten is likely to last longer than Manning, and I don't know what I have with Thomas sans Manning. And the 1.5 PPR hurts Thomas' value in relation to Witten's. Thomas caught 12 TDs last season--I wouldn't bet on that to hold. If that drops down to 8, which is still a lot, how do his numbers stack up to Witten's?
I think Thomas has more value, but a lot of that is market value. In a 1.5 PPR league, I'd value them pretty close to evenly, myself, and wouldn't even add a 2nd to Witten. I'm of the opinion that Witten can play to 36-37, however.
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
Team A gave up:
Bryant, Dez DAL WR
Floyd, Michael ARI WR
Cole, Audie MIN LB
Laurinaitis, James STL LB
Rey, Vincent CIN LB
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.02
Year 2014 Draft Pick 5.14
Year 2014 Draft Pick 6.16
Year 2014 Draft Pick 8.14
$5 in blind bidding
Team B gave up:
Johnson, Calvin DET WR
Burfict, Vontaze CIN LB
Bryant, Dez DAL WR
Floyd, Michael ARI WR
Cole, Audie MIN LB
Laurinaitis, James STL LB
Rey, Vincent CIN LB
Year 2014 Draft Pick 3.02
Year 2014 Draft Pick 5.14
Year 2014 Draft Pick 6.16
Year 2014 Draft Pick 8.14
$5 in blind bidding
Team B gave up:
Johnson, Calvin DET WR
Burfict, Vontaze CIN LB
cstu
Footballguy
Here are the TE's who scored 20+ TD's total in two years:
Gronk, Gates, Graham, Gonzo, and Vernon.
If Thomas does it he's joining some elite company.
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One More Rep
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Witten also had more TDs than normal last year, plus Julius outscored him and played more than two full games less due to injury.
And an opinion that Witten can play to 36/37 is a lot less valuable than the certainty that Witten can play to 36/37. Age always adds a lot of risk, even for future Hall of Famers.
Dez
Footballguy
Fair enough but the perceived value of the players will be vastly different from here on out. If we were to try and trade Thomas next year he will fetch a lot more than Witten ever will from here on out. As players get older people don't want to trade for them and their value goes down like a rock falling off a cliff.
And even if he can do his 5 yard curl and box out move until he's 40 does not mean Dallas is going to continue to make it as much a part of their game plan as they have over the course of Wittens career.
Witten has had two keys to his fantasy success. High volume and good health. We've seen one TE in history able to keep up a pace like that to 36/37. One.
At some point you got to look at what could happen or you think might happen versus the odds of it actually taking place.
Witten and a projected late first (10-12) would make this a decent enough deal if you were sold on Julius as a player.
Because he had more TD's, receptions and starts than he has ever had before you have to believe he is past his injuries and sitting behind inferior talent ready to be that player every year.
I would still likely hold the picks and keep Witten as a declining but safe mid-late TE1 option but I am not exactly president of the JT fan club. Also think as the passing game grows the evolution of the TE position to include more of those hybrid athletic type TE's will decrease the value of non-elite ones over time. I may be wrong on all counts too
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Man--you guys are a tough crowd today.
Witten is the only TE in NFL history to ever play at this pace for as long as he has.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
How so?
If my math is correct after each had played 11 seasons:
Witten averaged 79.9 catches, 890 yards and 4.7 TD's.
Tony G averaged 74.5 catches, 898 yards and 5.9 TD's.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Witten breaking Tony's records.
Admittedly, I thought the gap was wider than it was--so good point. Clearly Gonzo belongs in that class, if the math is accurate .
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
12 team IDP/PPR. Put a feeler out there for Bryce Brown. This is the offer I got back. Very happy!
Gave Dion Jordan, rookie 4.10
Got Bryce Brown
Gave Dion Jordan, rookie 4.10
Got Bryce Brown
Concept Coop
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
My initial offer was the 2.10. He rejected it and sent me that.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Dion Jordan was a very mediocre LB prospect. In most formats tackles rule. Just recently Jordan has been switched to DL in both MFL and Fleaflicker, and that does make him a bit more interesting if he can become a double digit sack guy. Clowney of course had the opposite thing happen to him as he's pretty mediocre as a 3-4 OLB. Still any time you can turn a DL into a RB you do it, as DL are pretty interchangeable.
Agree here.
Jordan would be a much better asset as a DE than LB but still not RB worthy
Dez
Footballguy
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One More Rep
Footballguy
Unless I was 90+% sure that top pick was going to be top 4 I'd much rather have Richardson.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Jordan was a DE in my league. I had him on my taxi and was considering cutting him during the rookie draft. Glad I didn't cut him prior. I'm really intrigued with Brown's situation in buffalo. The RB position is a big ? after this season.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Seems like the team with Lynch and foster should be able to compete, though I don't know the whole roster......but no matter the situation that is a lopsided deal.
Relevant: Team trading for Foster+Lynch was previously slated to start Ivory+____ at RB (Bryce Brown, David Wilson, Jacquizz Rodgers...) and still has Julio+Watkins+Cruz+Randle at WR. Didn't want to color the trade evaluation with that, but it certainly makes that team a contender.
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Jrodicus
Footballguy
Follow up trade:
Forte
for
1.03, 1.11, 2.11
Sum of trades:
1.01, Michael, Kendall Hunter, Lattimore
for
1.03, 1.04, 1.11, 2.11
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
PPR
Torrey Smith for Julius Thomas
Torrey Smith for Julius Thomas
Not a horrible deal to move Forte, but think I prefer 1.01 and Michael vs. 1.03,1.04,1.11.
Monster deal just went down in one of my leagues. Deep rosters, yardage-heavy, start 1/2/3/1, big bonus for punt returns, small bonus for kickoff returns.
Keenan Allen, Cordarrelle Patterson, Michael Floyd, Ladarius Green, Mike Glennon, Rams Defense, 2015 1st, 2015 2nd (both projected 3rd-6th)
-for-
Le'Veon Bell, Randall Cobb, Julius Thomas, Marvin Jones, Miles Austin, Stephen Hill, Tampa Bay Defense, pick 1.10
Keenan Allen, Cordarrelle Patterson, Michael Floyd, Ladarius Green, Mike Glennon, Rams Defense, 2015 1st, 2015 2nd (both projected 3rd-6th)
-for-
Le'Veon Bell, Randall Cobb, Julius Thomas, Marvin Jones, Miles Austin, Stephen Hill, Tampa Bay Defense, pick 1.10
Jrodicus
Footballguy
Yeah, I think the sum of the trades is fairly even...but I'm not as high on Michael as many - I'd much rather have the 1.11. Even if Michael = 1.11, that leaves the 1.01 for the 1.03, 1.04, and 2.11. I like Watkins well enough...but man, that's quite a haul for one player.
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