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U.S. Ambassador to Libya Killed in Rocket Attack (3 Viewers)

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With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
Unreal. First of all they have no idea if we are doing everything we can to extract information from the guy, and I would be willing to bet all the money in Otis' wallet that we are. Considering how wrong they have been about so many of their horrible accusations they should probably shut up about that one. But to be critical of upholding due process goes beyond pathetic and enters the realm of terrifying.

I don't think it would take much more than a sneeze for these guys to start clamoring for torture of American citizens.

 
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Great news! I hope it leads to even more suspects getting captured.
Was waiting for you to post. Not surprised that your "great news!" is tempered with the 2nd sentence.

Time to admit you were wrong with your suggestions that nothing was being done.

 
If only the administration would concede this point. I think their defensiveness has helped lead everyone down this path.
This I completely agree with.

There was nothing wrong with saying, "give us a few days to find out everything we can about this attack before we jump to conclusions," but once they knew what the story was they should have said so.

IMO we'd still be exactly where we are today though.
I remain baffled that people still don't get it.

The administration wants this to stay around. They would and will do anything they can to keep the extreme right in the media. As long as nutjobs are the face of your party, the left coasts to POTUS. See Palin, see birthers, etc, etc.

The dumbest political move they could ever make is to concede anything.. if anything they will do what they can to periodically rile up the kooks.
Especially if it takes the focus off the real issue. What have they done to find those involved?
:moneybag:

 
Great news! I hope it leads to even more suspects getting captured.
Was waiting for you to post. Not surprised that your "great news!" is tempered with the 2nd sentence.

Time to admit you were wrong with your suggestions that nothing was being done.
Why does my second sentence temper what I said? This isn't the only guy involved and I hope it leads to multiple people being captured.

It's a great, great start.

Did I say nothing was being done?

 
pantagrapher said:
DocHolliday said:
Final take. This is just another lie.
If this dude says he participated in the attack in part because of the video, then we're going to face a tinfoil shortage.
doen't matter why he participated in the attack. Fact is, this was a organozed, preplanned attack by a group with ties to Al Qaeda and this what the intelligence said as the attack was occurring and not some spontaneous protest that got "out of hand" as we wer led to believe for up to two weeks until that narrative fell apart.
Say what? Spell check is your friend
Basically: no new information matters.
There is more than enough info already known to conclude that during the attack the administration knew this was an organized, preplanned attack with Mortar, RPGs etc....

They even knew whodunnit. The Libyan Govt also knew.

I'm not what "new information" could conceivably overturn the mountain of facts that indicates the the "protest gone awry" narrative was a fabrication.

not that it matters much, but face reality....you guys are like flat-earthers on this point....

 
pantagrapher said:
DocHolliday said:
Final take. This is just another lie.
If this dude says he participated in the attack in part because of the video, then we're going to face a tinfoil shortage.
doen't matter why he participated in the attack. Fact is, this was a organozed, preplanned attack by a group with ties to Al Qaeda and this what the intelligence said as the attack was occurring and not some spontaneous protest that got "out of hand" as we wer led to believe for up to two weeks until that narrative fell apart.
Say what? Spell check is your friend
Basically: no new information matters.
There is more than enough info already known to conclude that during the attack the administration knew this was an organized, preplanned attack with Mortar, RPGs etc....

They even knew whodunnit. The Libyan Govt also knew.

I'm not what "new information" could conceivably overturn the mountain of facts that indicates the the "protest gone awry" narrative was a fabrication.

not that it matters much, but face reality....you guys are like flat-earthers on this point....
:lmao:

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.

 
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http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
Who cares?

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
Who cares?
Seriously.

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.

It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?
Who cares?

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?
Who cares?
Seriously.

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?
Who cares?
Seriously.
The people that care are the ones that aren't left wing hacks that blindly support anything this administration does.

 
For anyone who may have missed this part of the news in the last few pages of discussion.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/khattala-benghazi-video-new-york-times

NYT: Captured Suspect Said Benghazi Attack Was Revenge For Anti-Islam Video

Ahmed Abu Khatallah, the suspect captured by U.S. special forces on Tuesday for his role in the 2012 Benghazi attack, reportedly said he was motivated in part by the anti-Islam online video made in America, according to the New York Times.

"What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video," Times reporter David Kirkpatrick wrote in a story on Khattala on Tuesday.

Immediately following the attack, Khattala declined to say whether the video had anything to do with his role in the Benghazi attack, according to the Times.

The New York Times reported in December that the attack was fueled in part by the anti-Islam video, but did not link Khattala to the video in that investigation.

The scandal surrounding the Obama administration's response to Benghazi was centered on whether or not the attack was related to protests surrounding the video.
 
I care if the government deliberately lied about it. I'll always care about stuff like that, and I think most people should. We should NEVER dismiss deliberately dishonesty from the White House.

But despite all of the suppositions and investigations, there is no evidence that they deliberately lied about this. And there remains every reason that they did not. Some of you guys like to pretend that the whole video story was fabricated, but it wasn't. There were violent protests all over the Arab world on that very same day, all because of that stupid video. If the attacks in Benghazi had nothing to do with the video then it has got to be one of the greatest coincidences in living memory. And for you guys to assume that the White House, given these facts, knew what the hell was going on and chose to lie about it makes so sense to me. Until someone can PROVE that, I will going on believing what any rational person should assume naturally given what we know: that they were confused, that they screwed up as to the cause, that as a matter of prideful stubbornness they refused to admit they were wrong for several days after it became apparent that they were wrong, but that there was no deliberate lying and NO SCANDAL.

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?
Gee only two years ago and the scandal some people are praying for still hasn't happened. I didn't realize so many people cared.

And calling Obama a liar is exactly the type of desperate ploy that demonstrates how much more people care about creating the illusion of scandal than they do about the actual attacks.

Repeat a lie loud enough and often enough and maybe people will start to believe it. Great strategy.

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?
Who cares?
Seriously.
The people that care are the ones that aren't left wing hacks that blindly support anything this administration does.
Check my posting history. I am far from any wing. I am just a citizen who is tired of this obvious bull#### scandal mongering.

 
For anyone who may have missed this part of the news in the last few pages of discussion.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/khattala-benghazi-video-new-york-times

NYT: Captured Suspect Said Benghazi Attack Was Revenge For Anti-Islam Video

Ahmed Abu Khatallah, the suspect captured by U.S. special forces on Tuesday for his role in the 2012 Benghazi attack, reportedly said he was motivated in part by the anti-Islam online video made in America, according to the New York Times.

"What he did in the period just before the attack has remained unclear. But Mr. Abu Khattala told other Libyans in private conversations during the night of the attack that he was moved to attack the diplomatic mission to take revenge for an insult to Islam in an American-made online video," Times reporter David Kirkpatrick wrote in a story on Khattala on Tuesday.

Immediately following the attack, Khattala declined to say whether the video had anything to do with his role in the Benghazi attack, according to the Times.

The New York Times reported in December that the attack was fueled in part by the anti-Islam video, but did not link Khattala to the video in that investigation.

The scandal surrounding the Obama administration's response to Benghazi was centered on whether or not the attack was related to protests surrounding the video.
In an interview days after the attack, he pointedly declined to say whether he believed an offense such as the anti-Islamic video might indeed warrant the destruction of the diplomatic mission or the killing of the ambassador. “From a religious point of view, it is hard to say whether it is good or bad,” he said.

Several witnesses to the attack later said that Mr. Abu Khattala’s presence and leadership were evident from the start. He initially hung back, standing near the crowd at Venezia Road, several witnesses said. But a procession of fighters hurried to him out of the smoke and gunfire, addressed him as “sheikh,” and then gave him reports or took his orders before plunging back into the compound.

Viewing him as the central figure in the attack, a local official, Anwar el-Dos, approached Mr. Abu Khattala for help in entering the compound. The two men drove into the mission together in Mr. Abu Khattala’s pickup truck, witnesses said. As the men moved forward, the fighters parted to let them pass.

When the truck doors opened inside the walls, witnesses said, Mr. Dos dived to the ground to avoid gunfire ringing all around. But Mr. Abu Khattala strolled coolly through the chaos.

“He was just calm as could be,” a young Islamist who had joined the pillaging said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution. Mr. Abu Khattala showed up on internal security cameras at about 11:30 p.m., according to United States officials who have viewed the footage.

A short time later, Mr. Abu Khattala drove to the headquarters of Ansar al-Shariah, a local Benghazi militia whose members, witnesses said, played a prominent role in the attack. One of the young fighters with him instructed another not to keep a looted electronic device for fear that the Americans might trace it, according to a Libyan who was present for the conversation.

At one point, a fighter asked Mr. Abu Khattala what to do with the remains of the compound. “Flatten it,” he said.

Later that night, Mr. Abu Khattala appeared to prepare for another phase of the attack. One young fighter with him told another to “cleanse” himself for another battle — an apparent reference to a subsequent attack on the separate C.I.A. facility in Benghazi. The attackers who staged the initial assault had apparently learned of the facility’s location by following American vehicles fleeing the diplomatic mission.
At 9:42 p.m., according to American officials who have viewed the security camera footage, a police vehicle stationed outside turned on its ignition and drove slowly away.

A moment later a solitary figure strolled by the main gate, kicking pebbles and looking around — a final once-over, according to the officials.

The attack began with just a few dozen fighters, according to those officials. The invaders fired their Kalashnikovs at the lights around the gate and broke through with ease.

The compound had a total of eight armed guards that night: five Americans and three Libyans affiliated with the February 17 militia. All of them fell back. The Americans raced to grab their weapons in the compound’s other buildings but then found a swarm of attackers blocking their way to the main villa.

Mr. Stevens and an information officer took refuge in the villa’s safe room while an armed security officer positioned himself to defend it.

Reports from the scene ricocheted around the city in frantic phone calls telling competing stories. Abu Baker Habib, a Libyan-American friend of Mr. Stevens, began calling for help from a handful of the most important militia leaders, like Mr. Bin Hamid and Mr. Gharabi. But a false report spread much wider and faster: that guards in the compound had shot and wounded Libyans who had come only to protest.

“They told each other that the Americans had killed a Libyan,” Mr. Gharabi said. “For that reason, everybody would go.”

Mr. Gharabi, who was at a friend’s wedding a hundred miles away, knew that some of his fighters would join the attack, so he sent a delegation of “wise men” to deter them, he said. Mr. Bukatef of the February 17 Brigade was in Tripoli that night but said in an interview that he also believed some of his men had participated.

Soon scores, if not hundreds, of others were racing to the scene. Some arrived with guns, some with cameras. The attackers had posted sentries at Venezia Road, adjacent to the compound, to guard their rear flank, but they let pass anyone trying to join the mayhem. Witnesses said young men rushing inside had left empty pickup trucks from Ansar al-Shariah, but also all the other big militias ostensibly allied with the government.
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/#/?chapt=4

Here's the thing:

- spontaneous protest? Not a big liability because it does not counter any of the administration's claims.

- terrorist attack / militia attack? - That does counter the administration's claims at the time, and to some extent even now.

In Hillary Clinton's own book she states the first knowledge on the issue was what we are seeing now, that it was a militia/terrorist attack. That was what was in the most recent round of emails.

 
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Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?
Gee only two years ago and the scandal some people are praying for still hasn't happened. I didn't realize so many people cared.And calling Obama a liar is exactly the type of desperate ploy that demonstrates how much more people care about creating the illusion of scandal than they do about the actual attacks.

Repeat a lie loud enough and often enough and maybe people will start to believe it. Great strategy.
Maybe people wouldn't call Obama a liar if he didn't go on for two weeks that the attack was a spontaneous response to a video.

 
But despite all of the suppositions and investigations, there is no evidence that they deliberately lied about this.
:lmao:
Why is this funny to you? What evidence is there?
You ignore all the evidence in this thread....that's what's funny.
There is no evidence in this thread, or elsewhere, that they deliberately lied. I have read all of the supposed evidence, and none of it proves that to be true: not the emails nor anything else. There is no smoking gun.
 
But despite all of the suppositions and investigations, there is no evidence that they deliberately lied about this.
:lmao:
Why is this funny to you? What evidence is there?
You ignore all the evidence in this thread....that's what's funny.
There is no evidence in this thread, or elsewhere, that they deliberately lied. I have read all of the supposed evidence, and none of it proves that to be true: not the emails nor anything else. There is no smoking gun.
You copied that word for word from the Verizon/NSA thread.

 
But despite all of the suppositions and investigations, there is no evidence that they deliberately lied about this.
:lmao:
Why is this funny to you? What evidence is there?
You ignore all the evidence in this thread....that's what's funny.
There is no evidence in this thread, or elsewhere, that they deliberately lied. I have read all of the supposed evidence, and none of it proves that to be true: not the emails nor anything else. There is no smoking gun.
You copied that word for word from the Verizon/NSA thread.
I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that James Clapper deliberately lied in that case, and so did President Obama. The evidence provided by Snowden and the Guardian is too strong to think otherwise. That is NOT the case here.
 
Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?
Tim I've never said there was a coverup.

(and btw there is no such thing as a non-deliberate coverup).

I'm saying this is the same krewe that didn't realize their healthcare website had glitches. Totally disconnected from reality.

 
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Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?
Tim I've never said there was a coverup.

(and btw there is no such thing as a non-deliberate coverup).

I'm saying this is the same krewe that didn't realize their healthcare website had glitches. Totally disconnected from reality.
We're all pretty shocked you feel this way.

 
Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?
Tim I've never said there was a coverup.

(and btw there is no such thing as a non-deliberate coverup).

I'm saying this is the same krewe that didn't realize their healthcare website had glitches. Totally disconnected from reality.
krewe? :lol:

 
http://www.dailykos....ha-just-kidding

With suspect under arrest, GOP finally decides to praise Obama on Benghazi. Ha ha, just kidding

By Jed Lewiston for Daily Kos

Last month, Sen. John McCain released a statement with his sidekick Sens. Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham accusing the Obama administration of sitting on its hands while letting Benghazi suspect Ahmed abu Khatallah roam freely. "Since we know where Ahmed abu Khattala is," they asked, "why hasn’t he been detained?"

Well, Khatallah has now been detained and is en route to the U.S. where he will face justice. Moreover, we've learned that far from sitting on its hands, the administration had a plan to capture him late last year, but postponed it because the operation would have been too risky.

So given those facts, McCain and his pals should be pleased, and maybe even apologize for suggesting that Obama wasn't trying hard enough to capture Khatallah, right? Of course not.

A pair of hawkish Republican senators [McCain and Graham] who have been outspoken critics of the Obama administration's response to the deadly attacks in Benghazi, Libya, swiftly called Tuesday for a captured suspect in the attacks to be held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
Yes, this is the same McCain who just last year vowed to close Guantanamo, saying in a joint statement with Sen. Dianne Feinstein that he would "take the steps necessary to make that happen." And it's the same Lindsey Graham who along with McCain had falsely accused the administration of letting Khatallah off the hook. But they've got a president to attack, and that's more important than being consistent or conceding that they've been wrong at every step.

Ayotte is no better, releasing a statement in which she suggested the administration was more concerned with legal process than protecting the nation:

Ayotte has absolutely zero evidence to suggest that the Obama administration is doing anything that would make future attacks more likely, but that didn't stop her from raising the possibility that the president is effectively on the terrorists' side. And both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner are saying the same thing.

Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks.
For two years they've been attacking Obama for not capturing anyone responsible for Benghazi, but now that Khatallah has been captured in a flawless operation, they've decided its time to launch a new attack. Their collective response should make it clear to anyone who had any doubts that the GOP's Benghazi attacks aren't really about Benghazi: They're about the GOP's opposition to Obama, no matter what he does.
Gee Daily Kos said this, really?

Jed Lewison, the former communications director for Sen. Maria Cantwell (D(WA), says there's no there there?

Well that is something.

******************

About the arrest, we should all be happy.

Has the president made a statement?

And we should allllll agree that the original attack was led by this man, Khatalla, and had nothing to do with a spontaneous protest over a bloomin' video, nothing, and never did.
While I understand that we all use "attacking the source" as an argumentative technique, particularly when we have no rebuttal, but it does not, by definition, refute the statement.It seems obvious that these Sens and Reps (and followers) don't really care about the facts as much as they care about trying to make the administration look bad. Well, sorry, no one cares if it was a spontaneous protest or a coordinated attack. Why can't people just accept that and move on?
If no one cares why did the administration feel the need to lie about it and even the President claiming it was due to the video two weeks after the attack?
Gee only two years ago and the scandal some people are praying for still hasn't happened. I didn't realize so many people cared.And calling Obama a liar is exactly the type of desperate ploy that demonstrates how much more people care about creating the illusion of scandal than they do about the actual attacks.

Repeat a lie loud enough and often enough and maybe people will start to believe it. Great strategy.
Maybe people wouldn't call Obama a liar if he didn't go on for two weeks that the attack was a spontaneous response to a video.
/thread

 
Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?
Tim I've never said there was a coverup.

(and btw there is no such thing as a non-deliberate coverup).

I'm saying this is the same krewe that didn't realize their healthcare website had glitches. Totally disconnected from reality.
krewe? :lol:
New Orleans expression:

"krewe" - a band of jesters and fools who must be joking.

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/k945.com/files/2014/02/Jester-Float-472x630.jpg

 
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Meanwhile, on the Republican side there's an almost complete embrace of the politics of scandal. First there's Benghazi (first, last and always you might say), then the repeat investigations of Benghazi and now the capture of the purported Benghazi mastermind is, we're told, in fact an effort to distract from ... Benghazi or perhaps Hillary's book tour. (On the B-side of this record, there's the zombie IRS scandal, the 'Taliban 5' scandal, Bergdahl and a bunch of other mini scandals you may not even be aware of if you're not inside the GOP-Fox hive mind.) The 90s era GOP scandal machine was no less loopy in its way. There's a reasonable argument that it was much worse.

What seems different is the self-contained nature of the dialog. The Benghazi investigation is so parodic, self-reinforcing and devoid of new evidence, I don't think most Democrats and I half suspect even the White House much cares when the latest new conspiracy theory emerges. This isn't just exhaustion. It's also a recognition that these 'scandals' seem entirely contained within the 'Fox News' ecosystem. Or what we might call, to use the language of territorial maximalism, Greater Fox News - where you tie-in the Washington Beacon, Breitbart, the Daily Caller and various other territorial dependencies and potential irredentist holdings.

And the kicker is, I'm not sure GOP congressional leaders particularly care either. Because it doesn't really matter if the Democrats care or the White House does or even the actual media does. It's a conversation with the base of the Republican party.
The bolded is a damn fine observation.

Also love the idea that capturing one of the Benghazi guys is designed to distract from Benghazi.

 
So the guy who led the attack told people the attack was in part a response to the video, and Saints and Co. are STILL arguing?

Claud have mercy....

 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-heritages-ugly-benghazi-panel/2014/06/16/b8bd423c-f5a3-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html

Representatives of prominent conservative groups converged on the Heritage Foundation on Monday afternoon for the umpteenth in a series of gatherings to draw attention to the Benghazi controversy.

But this one took an unexpected turn.

What began as a session purportedly about “unanswered questions” surrounding the September 2012 attacks on U.S. facilities in Libya deteriorated into the ugly taunting of a woman in the room who wore an Islamic head covering.

The session, as usual, quickly moved beyond the specifics of the assaults that left four Americans dead to accusations about the Muslim Brotherhood infiltrating the Obama administration, President Obama funding jihadists in their quest to destroy the United States, Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton attempting to impose Sharia blasphemy laws on Americans and Al Jazeera America being an organ of “enemy propaganda.”

Then Saba Ahmed, an American University law student, stood in the back of the room and asked a question in a soft voice. “We portray Islam and all Muslims as bad, but there’s 1.8 billion followers of Islam,” she told them. “We have 8 million-plus Muslim Americans in this country and I don’t see them represented here.”

Panelist Brigitte Gabriel of a group called ACT! for America pounced. She said “180 million to 300 million” Muslims are “dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization.” She told Ahmed that the “peaceful majority were irrelevant” in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and she drew a Hitler comparison: “Most Germans were peaceful, yet the Nazis drove the agenda and as a result, 60 million died.”

“Are you an American?” Gabriel demanded of Ahmed, after accusing her of taking “the limelight” and before informing her that her “political correctness” belongs “in the garbage.”

“Where are the others speaking out?” Ahmed was asked. This drew an extended standing ovation from the nearly 150 people in the room, complete with cheers.

The panel’s moderator, conservative radio host Chris Plante, grinned and joined in the assault. “Can you tell me who the head of the Muslim peace movement is?” he demanded of Ahmed.

“Yeah,” audience members taunted, “yeah.”

Ahmed answered quietly, as before. “I guess it’s me right now,” she said.

Plante had kicked off the forum by lamenting a “news media that is spectacularly uncurious when it comes to even the basic bare-bones facts of what happened in Benghazi that night.” But the hour that followed showed exactly why Americans (or at least the non-Fox-News-viewing subset of Americans) are rightly skeptical: The accusers’ allegations grow wilder by the day.

Plante cast doubt on whether Ambassador Chris Stevens really died of smoke inhalation, demanding to see an autopsy report.
Gabriel floated the notion that Stevens had been working on a weapons-swap program between Libya and Syria just before he was killed.

Panelist Clare Lopez of the Citizens’ Commission on Benghazi said the perpetrators of the attack are “sipping frappes with journalists in juice bars.”

One questioner said he had heard that Gen. Carter Ham, then-commander of U.S. Africa Command, had been “placed under house arrest” at the time of the Benghazi attack. “I’ve heard the same story,” Plante seconded.

Another questioner, claiming to be from a Web site called GodSaveUSA.com, asked about an assertion that Obama “watched our people die” in real-time drone footage from Benghazi.

Heritage hosted Monday’s gathering in conjunction with the Benghazi Accountability Coalition, a federation coordinated by Andrew McCarthy (prosecutor of the Blind Sheik, Omar Abdel Rahman) and including 15 groups such as Heritage, Judicial Watch and the Traditional Values Coalition. McCarthy’s talk to the gathering was titled “Just the Facts” — but the facts never had a chance against all the groups’ self-promotion (“Go to BenghaziCoalition.org” and “You need to be on our mailing list”) and anti-Islamist rhetoric that too often sounded just anti-Islam.

Panelist Frank Gaffney revived allegations that former Clinton aide Huma Abedin has “deep personal” ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and said she may have advocated for laws against “Sharia blasphemy.” Gaffney also said the president’s view that “the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam” is “a statement you could have found on al-Qaeda’s Web site.”

But it was Gabriel, a Lebanese Christian by birth, who was most vitriolic when Ahmed asked her question. Gabriel dismissed as “irrelevant” the “2.3 million Arab Muslims living in the United States [when] it took 19 hijackers — 19 radicals — to bring America down.” She mocked Ahmed’s “point about peaceful, moderate Muslims” by making quotation marks with her fingers when she said the word peaceful.

The young woman responded calmly to the taunts of the panelists and the crowd. “As a peaceful American Muslim,” she told them, “I would like to think I’m not that irrelevant.”

 
But despite all of the suppositions and investigations, there is no evidence that they deliberately lied about this.
:lmao:
Why is this funny to you? What evidence is there?
You ignore all the evidence in this thread....that's what's funny.
Here's what Obama said the day after the attack:

And my suspicion is, is that there are folks involved in this, who were looking to target Americans from the start.
 
Just admit that you hate Obama and don't care about what actually happened in Benghazi. Do that and I may be willing to concede that the administration continued with their narrative longer than they should have in the face of emerging evidence that they may have been wrong.

Either way 1) This is not the scandal that you are clearly hoping and praying for and 2) You really don't care about the death of Americans in Benghazi.

 
Has Obama been impeached yet? Strange how this "scandal" has really disappeared from the radar. When even the MSM won't cover it . . . yeah, says it all.

I bet Eric Cantor was looking forward to making more hay out of this, though. Whoops!

 
Saints you're reaching here. THEY WERE CONFUSED. They has contradictory information. There was no deliberate lying and no deliberate coverup. There is no scandal. Why are we still going over this?
Tim I've never said there was a coverup.

(and btw there is no such thing as a non-deliberate coverup).

I'm saying this is the same krewe that didn't realize their healthcare website had glitches. Totally disconnected from reality.
:potkettle:

 
I do feel some sympathy for the right-wingers out there.

Every single "hero" they find turns out to be some sort of black-helicopter racist nutjob or just laughably stupid. And every single story they cling to, fingertips-on-the-edge-of-a-cliff-style, crumbles to sand in their hands.

But you can't exactly let go since you'd have to admit that the Cliffs of Tyranny that you've been hanging from for six years are actually three feet off the ground.

It's a true cognitive dilemma.

 
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