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Jay Cutler wont vaccinate kids because of autism (1 Viewer)

http://www.nvic.org/nvic-vaccine-news/may-2011/in-memoriam--infant-deaths---vaccination.aspx

Death Has Always Been A Vaccine Complication

From the first human vaccines developed two centuries ago, smallpox and rabies vaccines, death has always been a complication of vaccination.1 2 In 1933, the whole cell pertussis vaccine’s ability to kill without warning was first reported in the medical literature when two infants died within minutes of a pertussis shot.3 In 1946, American doctors detailed the sudden deaths of twins within 24 hours of their second diphtheria-pertussis shot.4 In 1986, the U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines.5

U.S. Infant Mortality Rate High

According to the most recent National Vital Statistics Report, more than 26,000 American babies born alive in 2009 died before their first birthday, which gives the U.S. a very high infant mortality rate of 6 infant deaths per 1,000 live births.6 In 1960, America ranked 12th in infant mortality among all nations of the world. In 2005, we had fallen to number 30. Today in America, there are more premature babies than ever before and more full term babies die before their first birthday than in most European countries.7

Some people argue that not every country calculates their infant mortality statistics the same way, which artificially inflates the poor ranking for the U.S.8 Even if adjustments would boost the U.S. ranking up several notches, there can be no question that a nation, which spends more per capita on healthcare 9 and legally requires their children to get more vaccines than any other country, should have one of the best – not one of the worst – infant mortality rates, especially for healthy babies born full term.

New Study: More Vaccines = Higher Infant Mortality Rate

Now there is a new study published in a peer reviewed medical journal that NVIC has helped to make publicly accessible to everyone, which reveals that developed nations with poor infant mortality rates, like the U.S., tend to give their infants more doses of vaccines before age one.10 The study’s authors found “a high statistically significant correlation between increasing numbers of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.” To put this into perspective, doctors give American babies 26 doses of vaccines before age one, which is twice as many vaccinations as babies in Sweden and Japan get.

Is it really just a “coincidence” that the infant mortality rate is twice as high in America compared to Sweden and Japan, where half as many vaccinations are given to very young babies?

Sudden Infant Death Syndrome & Vaccination

A mother and father’s worst nightmare is to watch their baby die before reaching their first birthday. When a healthy baby dies unexpectedly shortly after routine vaccinations, often parents ask legitimate questions about whether the vaccines did it. They are usually met with quick denials by doctors and public health officials anxious to defend the safety of vaccines.

The death certificates of many babies, who die shortly after vaccination, list Sudden Infant Death Syndrome or SIDS as the cause of death, which means that no specific symptoms or other reason for death could be found.11 That was true in the 1980s, when I was interviewing parents of babies, who died suddenly after DPT shots, for the 1985 book DPT: A Shot in the Dark,12 which Dr. Harris Coulter and I wrote at a time when SIDS – a newly created medical term - was becoming the leading cause of infant mortality in the U.S 13

Vaccine Deaths Described in 1985 Book

What I found and detailed in our book is that most babies dying after DPT shots were not found dead in their cribs without any symptoms before they died. They were dying after suffering plenty of vaccine reaction symptoms within days of their DPT shot, symptoms like high fever; sudden collapse; hours of persistent crying or high pitched screaming with arching of the back that can be a sign of brain inflammation; severe diarrhea; redness, swelling and pain at the injection site and signs of seizures that too many pediatricians were blowing off as unimportant. Other babies, who received several DPT shots, were described by their mothers as suffering a progressive mental and physical deterioration that got worse after each shot before the baby was found dead in the crib.

Inconvenient Truth: More Full Term Babies Dying in America

Several studies in the 1980s showed an association between infant death and DPT vaccinations.14 15 Today, it is thought that genetic and environmental risk factors combine to leave SIDS babies with signs of petechial hemorrhages, lung congestion and brainstem and neurotransmitter dysfunction.16 Most doctors continue to deny that vaccination is a risk factor for SIDS17 and say that SIDS has declined since pediatricians launched a national campaign in the 1990s to put babies on their backs to sleep,18 but others point out that the only reason SIDS death statistics have gone down is because, today, fewer infant deaths are labeled “SIDS” by doctors and coroners.19

The inconvenient truth remains that the numbers of pre-term births continues to increase in America and there are more full-term babies dying before their first birthday than in most developed nations of the world. 20

Half of U.S. Children Chronically Ill

Health officials have no explanation for this horrible child death statistic. They also have no explanation for the fact that, today, an estimated 43 to 54 percent of all American children suffer with at least one chronic illness requiring health insurance reimbursement, including a staggering 26 percent of children under age six years at high risk for developmental, social or behavioral delays.21 Government officials now admit that, In the past decade, developmental disabilities among American children has increased by a whopping 17 percent and is led by a rise in autism and ADHD.22 23

American Children Used To Be Healthier

This is not the way it used to be in America when I was growing up in the 1950s and early 1960s. Back then, women were not getting vaccinated during pregnancy 24 and there were only a few vaccines given to babies25 and there were few children suffering with learning disabilities, ADHD, autism, asthma and severe allergies,26 27 diabetes,28 29 bi-polar disorders30 and taking a cocktail of prescription medications.31 And the U.S. was ranked number 12 among all nations in infant mortality, not near the bottom of the list.

Child Health Report Card: F

This is not a very good health report card for a nation that, in the last 50 years, has paid tens of trillions of dollars to the pharmaceutical industry, public health agencies and pediatricians telling us to trust their advice about how to keep our children healthy. More health insurance and more “medical homes” will not turn F’s into A’s on that bad health report card.

May 1986: Parents Reported Vaccine Infant Deaths to CDC

Exactly 25 years ago, in May 1986, I joined with mothers and fathers, whose babies died after DPT shots, and gave a presentation to the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta. We told physician members of the CDC’s vaccine policymaking committee, who wanted state legislators to strictly enforce laws legally requiring children to get 23 doses of 7 vaccines starting at two months through age six, that doctors did not really know how many children were dying after vaccination. You can read the transcript of that 1986 CDC meeting32 on NVIC’s website and decide for yourself whether anything has really changed in 25 years except the fact that, now, public health officials are ordering doctors to give children 48 doses of 14 vaccines starting on day of birth through age six, with half of those doses given before age one.

On NVIC’s website at NVIC.org, you can also visit the virtual International Memorial for Vaccine Victims to read about or post a description of a vaccine-related death;33 you can research and read descriptions of deaths following vaccination made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System;34 and you can learn more about vaccine reactions so, if your pediatrician does not educate you, you will be armed with that life saving information.35

Vaccine Safety Assumptions Are Dangerous

A death is a death, no matter what the cause. Every death that occurs after vaccination cannot be automatically presumed to be causally related to the vaccines recently given. However, to assume that all or most infant deaths, which occur within hours, days or weeks after vaccination, are just a “coincidence” and not related to vaccination is both scientifically implausible and dangerous.

It is especially dangerous for individual families, as well as for our entire population, to make assumptions about vaccine safety in a vacuum of knowledge. When high infant mortality rates in America correspond with the high numbers of vaccines babies are being given in the first year of life, credible investigation into the child death and chronic disease epidemic should be our highest national priority and vaccination should not be left off the table.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/05/16/vaccines-and-infant-mortality-rates/

Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..

 
Are bodies are temples of God's Holy Spirit and we our made in His image. It is against His will to get vaccines.
You're not even trying anymore. As the Jesus said, "Hey dumbasses, fish on the other side of the boat."

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It also says that the average payout for 30000 adverse reactions per year is $2400

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It also says that the average payout for 30000 adverse reactions per year is $2400
and? what was the payout for dying from the measles?

 
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FYI, all 3 of my children are vaccinated to the hilt... You name it, we vaccinated against it.. But, if I were to do it all over again, I wouldn't vaccinate them as infants, I'd wait..

 
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It's hard finding links to quants...but as best I can tell, there are roughly 60 million children in the United States under 14 years of age. Of that group, CDC estimates place the number of children not receiving vaccinations at approximately 2.1 million. Roughly 3.5% of all children. Some due to religious/philosophical beliefs, many (most?) due to parents just not getting it done.

So...2.1 million children not receiving vaccinations. Nine vaccinations from birth to age 6, four to ten vaccinations from ages 7 to 18 (let's use a low number of four...to help your argument), plus an annual flu vaccination if parents so choose. 13+ vaccinations up until age 14, plus the potential for the annual flu shot.

57.9 million kids vaccinated, let's say 13 times each through age 14. Two cycles/generations of kids ages 0-14 through a 28 year period (I'm simplifying things, but humor me). 1,505,400,000 vaccinations given. Let's say $2.25 billion in compensation paid over 28 years for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines (you mention over $2 billion, but I don't know if that means $2.01 or $2.99 billion). That's $1.49 per vaccination given.

Now, what might the cost to our Federal government (or society) be, in dollars, if vaccinations weren't being given to those 57.9 million children? I don't expect an answer...as I had to get a little creative with math just to get to the numbers above! But if you're the Federal government, you shouldn't be in the business of doing what is best for "datonn" or "Carolina Hustler." You should be about protecting the health and rights of the nation as a whole...protecting the macro-economy. IMHO.

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It also says that the average payout for 30000 adverse reactions per year is $2400
and? what was the payout for dying from the measles?
My point is that $2400 is a very small amount and suggests low level injuries

 
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It's hard finding links to quants...but as best I can tell, there are roughly 60 million children in the United States under 14 years of age. Of that group, CDC estimates place the number of children not receiving vaccinations at approximately 2.1 million. Roughly 3.5% of all children. Some due to religious/philosophical beliefs, many (most?) due to parents just not getting it done.

So...2.1 million children not receiving vaccinations. Nine vaccinations from birth to age 6, four to ten vaccinations from ages 7 to 18 (let's use a low number of four...to help your argument), plus an annual flu vaccination if parents so choose. 13+ vaccinations up until age 14, plus the potential for the annual flu shot.

57.9 million kids vaccinated, let's say 13 times each through age 14. Two cycles/generations of kids ages 0-14 through a 28 year period (I'm simplifying things, but humor me). 1,505,400,000 vaccinations given. Let's say $2.25 billion in compensation paid over 28 years for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines (you mention over $2 billion, but I don't know if that means $2.01 or $2.99 billion). That's $1.49 per vaccination given.

Now, what might the cost to our Federal government (or society) be, in dollars, if vaccinations weren't being given to those 57.9 million children? I don't expect an answer...as I had to get a little creative with math just to get to the numbers above! But if you're the Federal government, you shouldn't be in the business of doing what is best for "datonn" or "Carolina Hustler." You should be about protecting the health and rights of the nation as a whole...protecting the macro-economy. IMHO.
I don't think it's about saving lives at all.. I think it's about money and power, like most other decisions our government makes...

 
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It's hard finding links to quants...but as best I can tell, there are roughly 60 million children in the United States under 14 years of age. Of that group, CDC estimates place the number of children not receiving vaccinations at approximately 2.1 million. Roughly 3.5% of all children. Some due to religious/philosophical beliefs, many (most?) due to parents just not getting it done.

So...2.1 million children not receiving vaccinations. Nine vaccinations from birth to age 6, four to ten vaccinations from ages 7 to 18 (let's use a low number of four...to help your argument), plus an annual flu vaccination if parents so choose. 13+ vaccinations up until age 14, plus the potential for the annual flu shot.

57.9 million kids vaccinated, let's say 13 times each through age 14. Two cycles/generations of kids ages 0-14 through a 28 year period (I'm simplifying things, but humor me). 1,505,400,000 vaccinations given. Let's say $2.25 billion in compensation paid over 28 years for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines (you mention over $2 billion, but I don't know if that means $2.01 or $2.99 billion). That's $1.49 per vaccination given.

Now, what might the cost to our Federal government (or society) be, in dollars, if vaccinations weren't being given to those 57.9 million children? I don't expect an answer...as I had to get a little creative with math just to get to the numbers above! But if you're the Federal government, you shouldn't be in the business of doing what is best for "datonn" or "Carolina Hustler." You should be about protecting the health and rights of the nation as a whole...protecting the macro-economy. IMHO.
I don't think it's about saving lives at all.. I think it's about money and power, like most other decisions our government makes...
Is this going to turn into one of those threads like climate change, where scientists are only in it for those SWEET research grants and sunny vacations to Antarctica? :no:

Seriously...the government doesn't care about saving lives? They're just trying to keep Big Pharma happy so they keep getting all those campaign contributions? Keep a few more future soldiers alive so they can continue to serve as the world's police force deep into the 21st Century? I mean this with all due respect...but that sounds like the poster child for why there is a :tinfoilhat: emoticon on this board.

 
And in regards to what you bolded HF, yes, there's information in there that supports both sides of this. I can cherry pick the parts that suit me, you can cherry pick the parts that suit you. But realistically I shouldn't even have anything to cherry pick if everything was as certain as you guys are acting.
I feel like you think I'm saying there are no possible aide effects or downsides to vaccination. That's not the case. I'm saying that the potential downsides to vaccination are, on the aggregate, so vastly outweighed by the upsides that not vaccinating at all is monumentally stupid and dangerous.

And that the idea that getting sick for natural immunity purposes as opposed to getting vaccinated because natural immunity is just better for you "because you get sicker" is flat out wrong.
And I feel the issue is a bit more complex than "vaccines are good.....mmmmmmmmmmkay".

 
And in regards to what you bolded HF, yes, there's information in there that supports both sides of this. I can cherry pick the parts that suit me, you can cherry pick the parts that suit you. But realistically I shouldn't even have anything to cherry pick if everything was as certain as you guys are acting.
I feel like you think I'm saying there are no possible aide effects or downsides to vaccination. That's not the case. I'm saying that the potential downsides to vaccination are, on the aggregate, so vastly outweighed by the upsides that not vaccinating at all is monumentally stupid and dangerous.And that the idea that getting sick for natural immunity purposes as opposed to getting vaccinated because natural immunity is just better for you "because you get sicker" is flat out wrong.
And I feel the issue is a bit more complex than "vaccines are good.....mmmmmmmmmmkay".
Is that what you read in that post?

 
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It's hard finding links to quants...but as best I can tell, there are roughly 60 million children in the United States under 14 years of age. Of that group, CDC estimates place the number of children not receiving vaccinations at approximately 2.1 million. Roughly 3.5% of all children. Some due to religious/philosophical beliefs, many (most?) due to parents just not getting it done.

So...2.1 million children not receiving vaccinations. Nine vaccinations from birth to age 6, four to ten vaccinations from ages 7 to 18 (let's use a low number of four...to help your argument), plus an annual flu vaccination if parents so choose. 13+ vaccinations up until age 14, plus the potential for the annual flu shot.

57.9 million kids vaccinated, let's say 13 times each through age 14. Two cycles/generations of kids ages 0-14 through a 28 year period (I'm simplifying things, but humor me). 1,505,400,000 vaccinations given. Let's say $2.25 billion in compensation paid over 28 years for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines (you mention over $2 billion, but I don't know if that means $2.01 or $2.99 billion). That's $1.49 per vaccination given.

Now, what might the cost to our Federal government (or society) be, in dollars, if vaccinations weren't being given to those 57.9 million children? I don't expect an answer...as I had to get a little creative with math just to get to the numbers above! But if you're the Federal government, you shouldn't be in the business of doing what is best for "datonn" or "Carolina Hustler." You should be about protecting the health and rights of the nation as a whole...protecting the macro-economy. IMHO.
I don't think it's about saving lives at all.. I think it's about money and power, like most other decisions our government makes...
Is this going to turn into one of those threads like climate change, where scientists are only in it for those SWEET research grants and sunny vacations to Antarctica? :no:

Seriously...the government doesn't care about saving lives? They're just trying to keep Big Pharma happy so they keep getting all those campaign contributions? Keep a few more future soldiers alive so they can continue to serve as the world's police force deep into the 21st Century? I mean this with all due respect...but that sounds like the poster child for why there is a :tinfoilhat: emoticon on this board.
It depends. How many votes are going to swing based on the lives saved, how much does it cost, and who profits off of it. There's probably other variables, but this gives us a starting point.

 
And in regards to what you bolded HF, yes, there's information in there that supports both sides of this. I can cherry pick the parts that suit me, you can cherry pick the parts that suit you. But realistically I shouldn't even have anything to cherry pick if everything was as certain as you guys are acting.
I feel like you think I'm saying there are no possible aide effects or downsides to vaccination. That's not the case. I'm saying that the potential downsides to vaccination are, on the aggregate, so vastly outweighed by the upsides that not vaccinating at all is monumentally stupid and dangerous.And that the idea that getting sick for natural immunity purposes as opposed to getting vaccinated because natural immunity is just better for you "because you get sicker" is flat out wrong.
And I feel the issue is a bit more complex than "vaccines are good.....mmmmmmmmmmkay".
Is that what you read in that post?
Which post?

 
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It's hard finding links to quants...but as best I can tell, there are roughly 60 million children in the United States under 14 years of age. Of that group, CDC estimates place the number of children not receiving vaccinations at approximately 2.1 million. Roughly 3.5% of all children. Some due to religious/philosophical beliefs, many (most?) due to parents just not getting it done.So...2.1 million children not receiving vaccinations. Nine vaccinations from birth to age 6, four to ten vaccinations from ages 7 to 18 (let's use a low number of four...to help your argument), plus an annual flu vaccination if parents so choose. 13+ vaccinations up until age 14, plus the potential for the annual flu shot.

57.9 million kids vaccinated, let's say 13 times each through age 14. Two cycles/generations of kids ages 0-14 through a 28 year period (I'm simplifying things, but humor me). 1,505,400,000 vaccinations given. Let's say $2.25 billion in compensation paid over 28 years for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines (you mention over $2 billion, but I don't know if that means $2.01 or $2.99 billion). That's $1.49 per vaccination given.

Now, what might the cost to our Federal government (or society) be, in dollars, if vaccinations weren't being given to those 57.9 million children? I don't expect an answer...as I had to get a little creative with math just to get to the numbers above! But if you're the Federal government, you shouldn't be in the business of doing what is best for "datonn" or "Carolina Hustler." You should be about protecting the health and rights of the nation as a whole...protecting the macro-economy. IMHO.
I don't think it's about saving lives at all.. I think it's about money and power, like most other decisions our government makes...
Is this going to turn into one of those threads like climate change, where scientists are only in it for those SWEET research grants and sunny vacations to Antarctica? :no: Seriously...the government doesn't care about saving lives? They're just trying to keep Big Pharma happy so they keep getting all those campaign contributions? Keep a few more future soldiers alive so they can continue to serve as the world's police force deep into the 21st Century? I mean this with all due respect...but that sounds like the poster child for why there is a :tinfoilhat: emoticon on this board.
It would make a good House of Cards episode.

 
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
It's hard finding links to quants...but as best I can tell, there are roughly 60 million children in the United States under 14 years of age. Of that group, CDC estimates place the number of children not receiving vaccinations at approximately 2.1 million. Roughly 3.5% of all children. Some due to religious/philosophical beliefs, many (most?) due to parents just not getting it done.

So...2.1 million children not receiving vaccinations. Nine vaccinations from birth to age 6, four to ten vaccinations from ages 7 to 18 (let's use a low number of four...to help your argument), plus an annual flu vaccination if parents so choose. 13+ vaccinations up until age 14, plus the potential for the annual flu shot.

57.9 million kids vaccinated, let's say 13 times each through age 14. Two cycles/generations of kids ages 0-14 through a 28 year period (I'm simplifying things, but humor me). 1,505,400,000 vaccinations given. Let's say $2.25 billion in compensation paid over 28 years for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines (you mention over $2 billion, but I don't know if that means $2.01 or $2.99 billion). That's $1.49 per vaccination given.

Now, what might the cost to our Federal government (or society) be, in dollars, if vaccinations weren't being given to those 57.9 million children? I don't expect an answer...as I had to get a little creative with math just to get to the numbers above! But if you're the Federal government, you shouldn't be in the business of doing what is best for "datonn" or "Carolina Hustler." You should be about protecting the health and rights of the nation as a whole...protecting the macro-economy. IMHO.
I don't think it's about saving lives at all.. I think it's about money and power, like most other decisions our government makes...
Is this going to turn into one of those threads like climate change, where scientists are only in it for those SWEET research grants and sunny vacations to Antarctica? :no:

Seriously...the government doesn't care about saving lives? They're just trying to keep Big Pharma happy so they keep getting all those campaign contributions? Keep a few more future soldiers alive so they can continue to serve as the world's police force deep into the 21st Century? I mean this with all due respect...but that sounds like the poster child for why there is a :tinfoilhat: emoticon on this board.
Yea, we're saving their lives so they can be sent off to kill and be killed on foreign soil for the sake of money and power.. Yea, that'll work for me as well..

There is plenty of research that shows vaccines can be harmful, enough so that our government has recognized such, to the tune of billons of dollars worth of pay outs.... And I'm wearing a tin foil hat? You better fashion a few hats for those in capital hill as well if that be the case, seems they're a little looney as well..

In every political thread we host here, at some point motives in Washington come into question, and it usually all comes down to controlling money and power through legislation. Lobbyists here, campaign contributions there, head of one company ends up in a cushy spot in Washington and his ex-company somehow now becomes a very necessary benefactor in whatever the hot spot topic is of the era.. That's how these things work.. If there is money and power involved, there is someone in Washington, or a friend of someone in Washington benefiting from legislation.

 
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Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..
You knew what I was going to ask for so why didn't you just give it to me?

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..
Again, seriously?!

I'm going to head downstairs in a few minutes to grab a late-night snack. Two flights of stairs, one of them not lit. There's a chance, albeit a tiny one, that I'll lose my balance and wind up breaking a bone or two...or worse. So maybe the only responsible thing to do would be to just stay upstairs...permanently. To avoid the risk. Of course, I'd eventually starve to death, need to use a bathroom, etc. But hey! At least I'd be safe from falling down the stairs. ;)

It's not that people don't recognize the small dangers/risks associated with vaccinations. It's that most of our society looks at this issue and thinks:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated >>> Risks of kids being vaccinated

I don't know how it could be explained any more clearly than that. If you disagree...you believe that the risks of kids being vaccinated is greater than them not being vaccinated, back it up with some quants. Saying that over $2 billion has been paid out to families due to injuries or deaths associated with vaccinations is half the quants you need:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated = ________ ??? Risks of kids being vaccinated $2+ billion

...yet you've decided that $2+ billion is > ________. Might be. I doubt it, and would bet just about every penny I could get my hands on that you're wrong. But I'm open to being convinced.

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..
You knew what I was going to ask for so why didn't you just give it to me?
I figured you knew how to clicky and read for yourself? :shrug:

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..
Again, seriously?!

I'm going to head downstairs in a few minutes to grab a late-night snack. Two flights of stairs, one of them not lit. There's a chance, albeit a tiny one, that I'll lose my balance and wind up breaking a bone or two...or worse. So maybe the only responsible thing to do would be to just stay upstairs...permanently. To avoid the risk. Of course, I'd eventually starve to death, need to use a bathroom, etc. But hey! At least I'd be safe from falling down the stairs. ;)

It's not that people don't recognize the small dangers/risks associated with vaccinations. It's that most of our society looks at this issue and thinks:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated >>> Risks of kids being vaccinated

I don't know how it could be explained any more clearly than that. If you disagree...you believe that the risks of kids being vaccinated is greater than them not being vaccinated, back it up with some quants. Saying that over $2 billion has been paid out to families due to injuries or deaths associated with vaccinations is half the quants you need:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated = ________ ??? Risks of kids being vaccinated $2+ billion

...yet you've decided that $2+ billion is > ________. Might be. I doubt it, and would bet just about every penny I could get my hands on that you're wrong. But I'm open to being convinced.
I did not say 2+billion = the sum total of all risks attributed to all vacinations

I said the 2+billion = proof that there is a problem

Here, maybe you should go back to these posts:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933856

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933864

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933884

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16934162

If we could prove how many lives were adversely effected by vaccination, vs. non-vaccination, this would be an easy discussion. There are too many variables.

My frustration in this topic, and in many topics/threads here, is with a few posters that label anyone who doesn't 100% subscribe to their brand as a wacko.. There is an apposing argument, and there are reasons for legitimate concern. As I've said, all 3 of my children are fully vaccinated. I'm not arguing against vaccination as much as I'm arguing against the idea that someone who is rightfully concerned is an "idiot" or a "wacho" etc. Most with that perspective are the least informed.

 
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You knew what I was going to ask for so why didn't you just give it to me?
I figured you knew how to clicky and read for yourself? :shrug:
Click what? Read what? There was no link in your post.
oops, looks like you lost a few posts from that conversation, maybe clicky your mouse buttons back and re-read what his question was pertaining to.
You said there are a few guys in this thread who pretend that there are no dangers in vaccinations. As far as I can tell, you've never quoted or linked to anybody saying anything like that. What am I supposed to be rereading?

 
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The chicken pox numbers are just staggering. Four million down to 216,000. Amazing.
I'm 44. Was there a chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid? As I remember it, getting chicken pox was sort of a rite of passage. I think I got it when I was around ten.
I got it when I was ten as well. Spent two weeks at home, which was nice. The vaccine came out that year or the year after, and both of my girls got it. It's not totally effective, but having done a research project on the virus in college and finding out that the virus is almost literally everywhere on earth, it's probably a good idea to do so.
 
There are dangers in vaccinations, but those dangers far outweigh the much bigger dangers of not getting vaccinated, IMO. Without vaccines, diseases like polio and smallpox would still rage across the globe, and mortality would be much higher than it is today (for the record, I know polio is still a problem in some regions).

 
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..
I haven't seen any.

 
FYI:

This medication is a vaccine used to prevent zoster (shingles) in adults 50 years and older. Zoster is caused by the same virus that causes chickenpox. After you have been infected with chickenpox (usually in childhood), the virus can live in your body's nerve roots in an inactive form. For reasons that are not fully understood, the virus may become active again. This causes shingles with symptoms of rash, blisters, and pain.

This vaccine works by boosting the body's natural defense (immunity) against the zoster virus so that symptoms of shingles do not develop. It should not be used for treating active shingles, nerve pain caused by shingles, or for the prevention of chickenpox.

 
Judge Upholds Policy Barring Unvaccinated Students During Illnesses
In a case weighing the government’s ability to require vaccination against the individual right to refuse it, a federal judge has upheld a New York City policy that bars unimmunized children from public school when another student has a vaccine-preventable disease.

..

Ms. Check said she rejected vaccination after her daughter was “intoxicated” by a few shots during infancy, which she said caused an onslaught of food and milk allergies, rashes and infections. Combined with a religious revelation she had during the difficult pregnancy, she said, the experience turned her away from medicine. Now she uses holistic treatments.

“Disease is pestilence,” Ms. Check said, “and pestilence is from the devil. The devil is germs and disease, which is cancer and any of those things that can take you down. But if you trust in the Lord, these things cannot come near you.”

..

Health experts believe that above a certain immunization rate, outbreaks are limited because a disease cannot spread to enough people during its incubation period to sustain itself, a phenomenon known as “herd immunity.” For measles, which is highly contagious, that rate is believed to be 95 percent, according to Daniel Salmon, deputy director at the Institute for Vaccine Safety at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

..

Ohio, which granted more than three times as many religious and philosophical exemptions to kindergarten students last year as it did in 2000, is struggling to contain a measles outbreak that has recently spread to 339 Amish people who were largely unvaccinated, the state health department said.
:thumbup:

 
Judge Upholds Policy Barring Unvaccinated Students During Illnesses

In a case weighing the government’s ability to require vaccination against the individual right to refuse it, a federal judge has upheld a New York City policy that bars unimmunized children from public school when another student has a vaccine-preventable disease.

..

Ms. Check said she rejected vaccination after her daughter was “intoxicated” by a few shots during infancy, which she said caused an onslaught of food and milk allergies, rashes and infections. Combined with a religious revelation she had during the difficult pregnancy, she said, the experience turned her away from medicine. Now she uses holistic treatments.

“Disease is pestilence,” Ms. Check said, “and pestilence is from the devil. The devil is germs and disease, which is cancer and any of those things that can take you down. But if you trust in the Lord, these things cannot come near you.”

..

Health experts believe that above a certain immunization rate, outbreaks are limited because a disease cannot spread to enough people during its incubation period to sustain itself, a phenomenon known as “herd immunity.” For measles, which is highly contagious, that rate is believed to be 95 percent, according to Daniel Salmon, deputy director at the Institute for Vaccine Safety at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

..

Ohio, which granted more than three times as many religious and philosophical exemptions to kindergarten students last year as it did in 2000, is struggling to contain a measles outbreak that has recently spread to 339 Amish people who were largely unvaccinated, the state health department said.
:thumbup:
That is a rationale descion, but why is the student with the disease in school?

 
Judge Upholds Policy Barring Unvaccinated Students During Illnesses

In a case weighing the government’s ability to require vaccination against the individual right to refuse it, a federal judge has upheld a New York City policy that bars unimmunized children from public school when another student has a vaccine-preventable disease.

..

Ms. Check said she rejected vaccination after her daughter was “intoxicated” by a few shots during infancy, which she said caused an onslaught of food and milk allergies, rashes and infections. Combined with a religious revelation she had during the difficult pregnancy, she said, the experience turned her away from medicine. Now she uses holistic treatments.

“Disease is pestilence,” Ms. Check said, “and pestilence is from the devil. The devil is germs and disease, which is cancer and any of those things that can take you down. But if you trust in the Lord, these things cannot come near you.”

..

Health experts believe that above a certain immunization rate, outbreaks are limited because a disease cannot spread to enough people during its incubation period to sustain itself, a phenomenon known as “herd immunity.” For measles, which is highly contagious, that rate is believed to be 95 percent, according to Daniel Salmon, deputy director at the Institute for Vaccine Safety at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

..

Ohio, which granted more than three times as many religious and philosophical exemptions to kindergarten students last year as it did in 2000, is struggling to contain a measles outbreak that has recently spread to 339 Amish people who were largely unvaccinated, the state health department said.
:thumbup:
That is a rationale descion, but why is the student with the disease in school?
I doubt they are, why?

 
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Carolina Hustler said:
datonn said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Henry Ford said:
Carolina Hustler said:
sn0mm1s said:
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..
Again, seriously?!

I'm going to head downstairs in a few minutes to grab a late-night snack. Two flights of stairs, one of them not lit. There's a chance, albeit a tiny one, that I'll lose my balance and wind up breaking a bone or two...or worse. So maybe the only responsible thing to do would be to just stay upstairs...permanently. To avoid the risk. Of course, I'd eventually starve to death, need to use a bathroom, etc. But hey! At least I'd be safe from falling down the stairs. ;)

It's not that people don't recognize the small dangers/risks associated with vaccinations. It's that most of our society looks at this issue and thinks:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated >>> Risks of kids being vaccinated

I don't know how it could be explained any more clearly than that. If you disagree...you believe that the risks of kids being vaccinated is greater than them not being vaccinated, back it up with some quants. Saying that over $2 billion has been paid out to families due to injuries or deaths associated with vaccinations is half the quants you need:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated = ________ ??? Risks of kids being vaccinated $2+ billion

...yet you've decided that $2+ billion is > ________. Might be. I doubt it, and would bet just about every penny I could get my hands on that you're wrong. But I'm open to being convinced.
I did not say 2+billion = the sum total of all risks attributed to all vacinations

I said the 2+billion = proof that there is a problem

Here, maybe you should go back to these posts:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933856

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933864

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933884

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16934162

If we could prove how many lives were adversely effected by vaccination, vs. non-vaccination, this would be an easy discussion. There are too many variables.

My frustration in this topic, and in many topics/threads here, is with a few posters that label anyone who doesn't 100% subscribe to their brand as a wacko.. There is an apposing argument, and there are reasons for legitimate concern. As I've said, all 3 of my children are fully vaccinated. I'm not arguing against vaccination as much as I'm arguing against the idea that someone who is rightfully concerned is an "idiot" or a "wacko" etc. Most with that perspective are the least informed.
Fair enough. My own particular frustration related to this topic are people screaming "the sky is falling" and actually defending people who willfully elect to put their children, other people's children, and other individuals around their community/country/planet at greater risk...citing hearsay, opinion, and rumor as truth.

An average of 390 children in the United States die in swimming pools each year. Compared to how many deaths each year in children given vaccinations? Yet how come folks like Jenny McCarthy or various religious folks aren't on TV and in the newspaper, begging parents to consider the risks before letting their children get into that pool? Where's the talk of how swimming pools were never part of God's plan for his creation (how they are unnatural...and the deaths are a "punishment" for not obeying God's rules/teachings)?

See my point? You have a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying in a bathtub. The odds of dying from a vaccination are significantly less than this. Yet bathtubs are allowed to run rampant in millions upon millions of homes in this country! Why, I've even got one in my own home...and my daughters both bathe AND shower in it. Thank God Child Protective Services doesn't know I have a bathtub though...or they'd probably take my kids away. :rolleyes:

Vaccinations come with risk. But so does food, water, air, walking down the street, riding a bike, walking down the stairs, turning on the stove, going for a swim, being out in the sun, ____________. Many of which carry a greater risk to injury/death than being vaccinated. Yet the people with the agendas and/or who are misinformed...haven't done their homework, are the people/government NOT singling out vaccinations as a grave threat to the health of our nation's children?! :shrug:

 
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Carolina Hustler said:
datonn said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Christo said:
Carolina Hustler said:
Henry Ford said:
Carolina Hustler said:
sn0mm1s said:
Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.
U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines
28 years. Do the math.
The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...

For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..
Just who would those guys be?
There are a few in this thread..
Again, seriously?!

I'm going to head downstairs in a few minutes to grab a late-night snack. Two flights of stairs, one of them not lit. There's a chance, albeit a tiny one, that I'll lose my balance and wind up breaking a bone or two...or worse. So maybe the only responsible thing to do would be to just stay upstairs...permanently. To avoid the risk. Of course, I'd eventually starve to death, need to use a bathroom, etc. But hey! At least I'd be safe from falling down the stairs. ;)

It's not that people don't recognize the small dangers/risks associated with vaccinations. It's that most of our society looks at this issue and thinks:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated >>> Risks of kids being vaccinated

I don't know how it could be explained any more clearly than that. If you disagree...you believe that the risks of kids being vaccinated is greater than them not being vaccinated, back it up with some quants. Saying that over $2 billion has been paid out to families due to injuries or deaths associated with vaccinations is half the quants you need:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated = ________ ??? Risks of kids being vaccinated $2+ billion

...yet you've decided that $2+ billion is > ________. Might be. I doubt it, and would bet just about every penny I could get my hands on that you're wrong. But I'm open to being convinced.
I did not say 2+billion = the sum total of all risks attributed to all vacinations

I said the 2+billion = proof that there is a problem

Here, maybe you should go back to these posts:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933856

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933864

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933884

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16934162

If we could prove how many lives were adversely effected by vaccination, vs. non-vaccination, this would be an easy discussion. There are too many variables.

My frustration in this topic, and in many topics/threads here, is with a few posters that label anyone who doesn't 100% subscribe to their brand as a wacko.. There is an apposing argument, and there are reasons for legitimate concern. As I've said, all 3 of my children are fully vaccinated. I'm not arguing against vaccination as much as I'm arguing against the idea that someone who is rightfully concerned is an "idiot" or a "wacko" etc. Most with that perspective are the least informed.
Fair enough. My own particular frustration related to this topic are people screaming "the sky is falling" and actually defending people who willfully elect to put their children, other people's children, and other individuals around their community/country/planet at greater risk...citing hearsay, opinion, and rumor as truth.

An average of 390 children in the United States die in swimming pools each year. Compared to how many deaths each year in children given vaccinations? Yet how come folks like Jenny McCarthy or various religious folks aren't on TV and in the newspaper, begging parents to consider the risks before letting their children get into that pool? Where's the talk of how swimming pools were never part of God's plan for his creation (how they are unnatural...and the deaths are a "punishment" for not obeying God's rules/teachings)?

See my point? You have a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying in a bathtub. The odds of dying from a vaccination are significantly less than this. Yet bathtubs are allowed to run rampant in millions upon millions of homes in this country! Why, I've even got one in my own home...and my daughters both bathe AND shower in it. Thank God Child Protective Services doesn't know I have a bathtub though...or they'd probably take my kids away. :rolleyes:

Vaccinations come with risk. But so does food, water, air, walking down the street, riding a bike, walking down the stairs, turning on the stove, going for a swim, being out in the sun, ____________. Many of which carry a greater risk to injury/death than being vaccinated. Yet the people with the agendas and/or who are misinformed...haven't done their homework, are the people/government NOT singling out vaccinations as a grave threat to the health of our nation's children?! :shrug:
If the infant mortality rate in the US is double that of other first world countries with less than half the amount of vaccinations, would you choose to vaccinate your child as an infant? or wait?

 

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