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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA (1 Viewer)

CentralPA said:
Chaka said:
He's on pace for 354 touches and 2,100+ yards this year. That is every fantasy player's dream. Sorry if the TDs aren't coming at the pace you hoped for but complaining about a guy getting that many opportunities is nuts.
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I can see the complaining in standard leagues but he's absolute gold in PPR....plus the TDs will come.
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Even if the TDs don't come that's just dumb luck. All you can ask for is opportunities and Bell is getting them in spades.

 
It's simple. If you're unhappy because he isn't getting TDS so far this season package him up and sell low like a moron.

otherwise be happy with the top 5 RB you drafted in the 3rd round and understand that POINTS ARE POINTS ARE POINTS and quit #####ing about how the man scores those points.

 
It's not that Bell isn't doing well it's that he has the talent/opportunity to win leagues single handedly this year like a Priest Holmes or LT but he's falling short because he's getting it done everywhere but the red zone.

 
Hard to believe anyone is down on Bell with his performance this year. He's consistent and at a low RB1 level if you bring his week 1 performance back to his average. And if anyone was skeptical about Bell before this season started, it was me.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Le'Veon Bell waives hearing Wed Oct 15, 09:04 AM

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Le'Veon Bell waived his right to a preliminary hearing Wednesday, Oct. 15, on marijuana possession and driving under the influence chargers. That means he and his attorney acknowledge police have enough evidence for the charges to go to Allegheny County Common Pleas Court, where Bell must either plead to all or some of the charges or stand trial.
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Has there been any more talk on this? Any concern re: suspension?

Or under the new rules does he get a freebie?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Le'Veon Bell waives hearing Wed Oct 15, 09:04 AM

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Le'Veon Bell waived his right to a preliminary hearing Wednesday, Oct. 15, on marijuana possession and driving under the influence chargers. That means he and his attorney acknowledge police have enough evidence for the charges to go to Allegheny County Common Pleas Court, where Bell must either plead to all or some of the charges or stand trial.
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Has there been any more talk on this? Any concern re: suspension?

Or under the new rules does he get a freebie?
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He probably will get suspended, however I doubt it is before next season

 
If he scored this week will all the whiners ban themselves from this thread. If he doesn't score I will gladly ban myself from this thread.

 
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Le'Veon Bell waives hearing Wed Oct 15, 09:04 AM

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Le'Veon Bell waived his right to a preliminary hearing Wednesday, Oct. 15, on marijuana possession and driving under the influence chargers. That means he and his attorney acknowledge police have enough evidence for the charges to go to Allegheny County Common Pleas Court, where Bell must either plead to all or some of the charges or stand trial.
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Has there been any more talk on this? Any concern re: suspension?

Or under the new rules does he get a freebie?
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IIRC, DUI conviction = 2 game ban under the new rules, not sure exactly if his case falls under new or old rules. Court can take a long time.

 
Jerry Curl said:
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.
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It's a matter of tailoring to the general discussion. I play in 2 full IDP leagues that have differential ppr; pts added/subtracted for comp/incompl; return yds; pts for rushing attempts; etc. I intentionally don't speak to situations that are esoteric to the majority here because those scoring elements aren't germaine to the general discussion. There's nothing wrong with bringing up points that are specific to unusual or exact league scoring systems - and leagues where the TD to rush yds are 20:1 or greater fit that category - but expecting others to channel their discussion or even care about those leagues is quite frankly unrealistic.

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Jerry Curl said:
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that people would probably understand it perfectly, but most people don't play in leagues with such obscure scoring rules that you laid out before (i.e. a one yard TD = 120 rushing yards). That's practically a TD only league and "yes" in that kind of league Bell would be hurting your team.

 
Every player with at least nine red zone rush attempts has a touchdown with the exception of Le'Veon Bell. He's not just nonproductive in close; he's not converting his other close carries into scores, either.

 
Franknbeans said:
Every player with at least nine red zone rush attempts has a touchdown with the exception of Le'Veon Bell. He's not just nonproductive in close; he's not converting his other close carries into scores, either.
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How many of those players had zero of those redzone attempts from inside the 5 yard line, as Bell does?

Getting a handoff from the 20 is not a scoring play. Getting a handoff from the 2 is. Bell has none of the latter.

 
Le'Veon Bell looking for plea deal Wed Oct 15, 01:11 PM

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Le'Veon Bell is expected to be accepted into a probation program in his case for marijuana possession and driving under the influence charges, according to his attorney.

 
Jerry Curl said:
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.
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I think you're not understanding that TD heavy leagues are very rare anymore. Very few people play in leagues where rushing/receiving yards are valued worse than 10 yards per point.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Le'Veon Bell looking for plea deal Wed Oct 15, 01:11 PM

Pittsburgh Steelers RB Le'Veon Bell is expected to be accepted into a probation program in his case for marijuana possession and driving under the influence charges, according to his attorney.
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Does this count as a conviction? I know Ray Rice accepted a deal but was still disciplined, but that was under personal conduct. If it does result in discipline, does that mean he would likely get it this year?

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
Franknbeans said:
Every player with at least nine red zone rush attempts has a touchdown with the exception of Le'Veon Bell. He's not just nonproductive in close; he's not converting his other close carries into scores, either.
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How many of those players had zero of those redzone attempts from inside the 5 yard line, as Bell does?

Getting a handoff from the 20 is not a scoring play. Getting a handoff from the 2 is. Bell has none of the latter.
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Bell has 2 rushes from inside the 5. One resulted in a TD (called back by penalty). The other resulted in a 2 yard gain, shy of the endzone.

Blount has 1 rush from inside the 5. He did not score.

 
Jerry Curl said:
This Pittsburgh team does not run the ball for TDs with Big Ben at the helm. His ego is too much.

Willie Parker

2007 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 321/1,316/2

2005 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 255/1,202/4

Mendenhall only had double digit TDs once, same for Willie Parker. That is three every down backs over the course of 10 years (Parker, Mendenhall and Bell) with just two double digit TD seasons.
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Double-digit touchdown seasons are quite uncommon events. Since Roethlisberger took over in 2004, there have been 88 double-digit rushing TD seasons, or 2.75 per team. The Steelers have had 3, which is just above average. The Steelers also had a pair of near-misses- a 9TD season from Bettis and another one from Mendenhall. If you include those near-misses, there have been 3.7 9+ touchdown seasons per team and Pittsburgh has 5.

Since Roethlisberger took over, Pittsburgh's RBs have rushed for 117 total touchdowns, which ranks 14th in the NFL right between run-heavy Ravens and run-heavy Broncos. I doubt many people would suggest that the Denver team or the Baltimore team do not run the ball for TDs. Green Bay ranks 24th in rushing TDs over that span while New Orleans ranks 7th, but I doubt anyone would use either point of data to make sweeping generalizations about Aaron Rodgers' or Drew Brees' egos.

In fact, since 2004 the Pittsburgh Steelers actually rank 5th in the entire NFL in number of runs called inside the red zone, (versus 10th in passes called in the red zone), which hardly seems like the sort of thing you'd expect if Roethlisberger's ego was not conducive to sharing the glory. In fact, it more paints a picture of an RB corps that had plenty of opportunities but failed to make the most of them; that it's the RBs' own failings, and not Roethlisberger's, that led to their low TD totals.

The Steelers are hardly the Vermeil/Holmes Chiefs, the Alexander/Jones/Hutchinson Seahawks, or the Tomlinson Chargers, and Bell seems an unlikely candidate to lead the league in rushing touchdowns, but there's no reason at all he can't experience a normal amount of success given his success everywhere else on the field. Even if, over a tiny 6-game sample size, his touchdown totals have been underwhelming.

 
It's bizarre. Pittsburgh is 6th in total offense, it's clear they wanted to reestablish the running game and have with maybe the best RB combo in the league and then refuse to run it in the red zone instead choosing to target 5'10 Antonio Brown and Markus Wheaton, ####ty Justin Brown or old as dirt Heath Miller. Not sure how much is Haley and how much is Ben but if Ben is making those decisions down there, that needs to be taken out of his hands.

 
Bojang0301 said:
It's bizarre. Pittsburgh is 6th in total offense, it's clear they wanted to reestablish the running game and have with maybe the best RB combo in the league and then refuse to run it in the red zone instead choosing to target 5'10 Antonio Brown and Markus Wheaton, ####ty Justin Brown or old as dirt Heath Miller. Not sure how much is Haley and how much is Ben but if Ben is making those decisions down there, that needs to be taken out of his hands.
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I think it's half PIT trying to get cute because the OL is better in pass-pro, half Ben changing the play and half Haley being in the bottom 5% of OCs in the league.

 
Dondante said:
Bojang0301 said:
It's bizarre. Pittsburgh is 6th in total offense, it's clear they wanted to reestablish the running game and have with maybe the best RB combo in the league and then refuse to run it in the red zone instead choosing to target 5'10 Antonio Brown and Markus Wheaton, ####ty Justin Brown or old as dirt Heath Miller. Not sure how much is Haley and how much is Ben but if Ben is making those decisions down there, that needs to be taken out of his hands.
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I think it's half PIT trying to get cute because the OL is better in pass-pro, half Ben changing the play and half Haley being in the bottom 5% of OCs in the league.
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My calculator must be broken. I keep getting a wierd answer.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Dondante said:
Bojang0301 said:
It's bizarre. Pittsburgh is 6th in total offense, it's clear they wanted to reestablish the running game and have with maybe the best RB combo in the league and then refuse to run it in the red zone instead choosing to target 5'10 Antonio Brown and Markus Wheaton, ####ty Justin Brown or old as dirt Heath Miller. Not sure how much is Haley and how much is Ben but if Ben is making those decisions down there, that needs to be taken out of his hands.
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I think it's half PIT trying to get cute because the OL is better in pass-pro, half Ben changing the play and half Haley being in the bottom 5% of OCs in the league.
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My calculator must be broken. I keep getting a wierd answer.
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When I put the equation in my graphing calclulator I just get a picture of a middle finger.

 
Dondante said:
Bronco Billy said:
Dondante said:
Bojang0301 said:
It's bizarre. Pittsburgh is 6th in total offense, it's clear they wanted to reestablish the running game and have with maybe the best RB combo in the league and then refuse to run it in the red zone instead choosing to target 5'10 Antonio Brown and Markus Wheaton, ####ty Justin Brown or old as dirt Heath Miller. Not sure how much is Haley and how much is Ben but if Ben is making those decisions down there, that needs to be taken out of his hands.
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I think it's half PIT trying to get cute because the OL is better in pass-pro, half Ben changing the play and half Haley being in the bottom 5% of OCs in the league.
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My calculator must be broken. I keep getting a wierd answer.
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When I put the equation in my graphing calclulator I just get a picture of a middle finger.
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weird I get a picture of horse ####

 
Rotoworld:

Le'Veon Bell - RB - Steelers

Le'Veon Bell's attorney waived his client's right to a preliminary hearing on Bell's marijuana and DUI charges, and hopes to enter a first-offender's program to have the charges dismissed.

Per the Associated Press, Bell will "likely" face a two-game suspension once the criminal case wraps up, "probably early next year." Due to a convenient "scheduling conflict," Bell's preliminary hearing now won't take place until December 10. It sounds like the case won't be closed until January or February at soonest. Bell is not expected to face any league discipline this year.

Source: Associated Press

Oct 16 - 11:27 AM
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Jerry Curl said:
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.
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Then trade him for Asiata.

 
You know it's possible to complain about Bell's lack of touchdowns and still be happy overall with his production. They are not mutually exclusive.

 
Chaka said:
Jerry Curl said:
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.
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Then trade him for Asiata.
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Tried but the Asiata owner told be to go #### myself.

Bell is 7th in my league just ahead of Antone Smith, Bradshaw and Forsett but he has almost as many touches as those 3 combined.

 
qimqam said:
Chaka said:
Jerry Curl said:
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.
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Then trade him for Asiata.
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Tried but the Asiata owner told be to go #### myself.

Bell is 7th in my league just ahead of Antone Smith, Bradshaw and Forsett but he has almost as many touches as those 3 combined.
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Oh no, 7th place in a lousy scoring system that almost no one plays. The horror that you have to put up with him just being a strong RB1.

Even in standard leagues Jay Cutler is ahead of Peyton Manning. Steve Smith is ahead of Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, and Dez Bryant. There's something to be said for expected production going forward, but feel free to move Bell for Forsett.

 
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LOL love the usage. Offense is struggling so they pull Bell and put Blount in. He gets two carries for 2 yards.

3 and out!

 
FreeBaGeL said:
qimqam said:
Chaka said:
Jerry Curl said:
I have to be honest here. I am kinda of shocked that some are not understanding that people do not play in the same type of scoring. In non PPR TD heavy leagues, he is no better than Antone Smith. His 5 points a week is not cutting it when guys like Hill can pop and get 8 when he falls in the endzone. He has 5 more points than Asiata in those type of leagues.
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Then trade him for Asiata.
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Tried but the Asiata owner told be to go #### myself.

Bell is 7th in my league just ahead of Antone Smith, Bradshaw and Forsett but he has almost as many touches as those 3 combined.
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Oh no, 7th place in a lousy scoring system that almost no one plays. The horror that you have to put up with him just being a strong RB1.

Even in standard leagues Jay Cutler is ahead of Peyton Manning. Steve Smith is ahead of Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, and Dez Bryant. There's something to be said for expected production going forward, but feel free to move Bell for Forsett.
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Wow!! Jay Cutler is ahead of Peyton Manning in your league ?!?!? And I play in a lousy scoring ?!?!?!

 
I am beginning to see a pattern here.

Give Bell the ball. Offense moves the ball successfully.

Pull Bell and put Hot Aids Blount in. 3 and out.

Rinse and repeat.

 
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