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Breaking down "The Call that wasn't" (1 Viewer)

To think that this whole thing probably would have died by now but a Cowboys fan started this thread to keep it going.......... :loco:

 
cowboyz1 said:
I'm going to make this real simple fellas. Had the game been played without the call everyone would be talking about how this game saved the weekend for it's pure excitement. Yes, there would be a few tiffs about some of the calls here and there but for the most part, Romo, TW and the Dallas defense would be dominating the conversations. It's a shame that it has come to this because for me any playoff team that scores but 3 points in the second half of a playoff game has no business winning anyhow.

That said, the call did happen and if you watch the play from all angles there were fouls on both players. Petigrew DID grab Hitch's facemask and Hitch although did a great job selling his coverage, grabbed his shoulder on the route and did enough to warrant a flag. However, if you're honest with yourself and have any kind of football purest in your blood, that play had no business deciding a football game of that magnitude. There is no way Detroit should have needed to pin there hope of winning that game on a referee throwing a flag. Petigrew was covered, had no chance of catching the ball because Hitch did a great job of being in the position that he was. Think back to when football was about making real plays despite rough play. Back when you couldn't depend on PI and PFs to bail you out. When players had to play football and WR actually had to get open, catch the ball knowing they could get knocked out, a time where the defender had as much right to the ball as the WR.

I know exactly what the refs were thinking. The three officials got together and asked each other what they saw. They all looked at each other and said, wasn't enough contact to give them a free pass. The guy who threw the flag was the furthest from the play and threw the flag based on the given precedent that when a defender has his back to the play and doesn't turn his head, it's a penalty. The three said NO, in a game like this, you're going to have to win it making plays. I applaud them for the decision. Had it been against my Cowboys, YES, I would be pissed off. However, I would also know deep down that they made the right decision and weren't about to give a free first down on a poor throw to a covered receiver who had no chance of making the play whether Hitch grazed him or not. That simple. Now the way they handled it was poor which is why we are here #####ing about it. I have felt exactly the way Lions fans do about calls like this, but deep down I am more pissed about the play call and the decision to make such a poor pass to a covered receiver, praying for a call.

I have no problem arguing it was the RIGHT call given the circumstances and Detroit had ample time and opportunity to win that game. Like I said, 3 points in two quarters does not a winner make.

Now as far as some fix being in. Ridiculous. If the Lions showed some balls and went for it on 4th and 1 like we did TWICE, perhaps they would have won. Instead they counted on a ticky tack call to go their way. I don't know about you but football is a contact sport and you had better know how to make plays in spite of contact. That is the foundation of this game and without it you don't have football. Some refs know the difference between PI and playing through contact. I wish more did because the pusification of this game has got to stop.

The conversation should be about how Romo played his ### off in spite of being legally mauled. TW stepping up to make plays. Murray grinding out some tough yards. Beasley making timely first downs. Witten coming up HUGE on 4th down twice and the Cowboys defense holding the Lions to 3 points in crunch time.

Finally, I applaud the refs for making the right call, despite doing it all wrong. In no way did that call determine the winner of that game. Did it make it tougher for the Lions, sure but that is what this game is all about. Dallas found ways to adapt, improvise and overcome, while the Lions.......they chose to punt.

Dallas didn't let misfortune stop them from making the plays to win the game. Simple as that folks. Simple as that.
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Please, somebody call the 1972 Dolphins and have them return their Lombardi trophy. They scored zero points in the 2nd half of SB VII. I guess their undefeated season goes down the drain, too. Tough luck, guys, I didn't know about that rule, either.

 
cowboyz1 said:
I'm going to make this real simple fellas. Had the game been played without the call everyone would be talking about how this game saved the weekend for it's pure excitement. Yes, there would be a few tiffs about some of the calls here and there but for the most part, Romo, TW and the Dallas defense would be dominating the conversations. It's a shame that it has come to this because for me any playoff team that scores but 3 points in the second half of a playoff game has no business winning anyhow.

That said, the call did happen and if you watch the play from all angles there were fouls on both players. Petigrew DID grab Hitch's facemask and Hitch although did a great job selling his coverage, grabbed his shoulder on the route and did enough to warrant a flag. However, if you're honest with yourself and have any kind of football purest in your blood, that play had no business deciding a football game of that magnitude. There is no way Detroit should have needed to pin there hope of winning that game on a referee throwing a flag. Petigrew was covered, had no chance of catching the ball because Hitch did a great job of being in the position that he was. Think back to when football was about making real plays despite rough play. Back when you couldn't depend on PI and PFs to bail you out. When players had to play football and WR actually had to get open, catch the ball knowing they could get knocked out, a time where the defender had as much right to the ball as the WR.

I know exactly what the refs were thinking. The three officials got together and asked each other what they saw. They all looked at each other and said, wasn't enough contact to give them a free pass. The guy who threw the flag was the furthest from the play and threw the flag based on the given precedent that when a defender has his back to the play and doesn't turn his head, it's a penalty. The three said NO, in a game like this, you're going to have to win it making plays. I applaud them for the decision. Had it been against my Cowboys, YES, I would be pissed off. However, I would also know deep down that they made the right decision and weren't about to give a free first down on a poor throw to a covered receiver who had no chance of making the play whether Hitch grazed him or not. That simple. Now the way they handled it was poor which is why we are here #####ing about it. I have felt exactly the way Lions fans do about calls like this, but deep down I am more pissed about the play call and the decision to make such a poor pass to a covered receiver, praying for a call.

I have no problem arguing it was the RIGHT call given the circumstances and Detroit had ample time and opportunity to win that game. Like I said, 3 points in two quarters does not a winner make.

Now as far as some fix being in. Ridiculous. If the Lions showed some balls and went for it on 4th and 1 like we did TWICE, perhaps they would have won. Instead they counted on a ticky tack call to go their way. I don't know about you but football is a contact sport and you had better know how to make plays in spite of contact. That is the foundation of this game and without it you don't have football. Some refs know the difference between PI and playing through contact. I wish more did because the pusification of this game has got to stop.

The conversation should be about how Romo played his ### off in spite of being legally mauled. TW stepping up to make plays. Murray grinding out some tough yards. Beasley making timely first downs. Witten coming up HUGE on 4th down twice and the Cowboys defense holding the Lions to 3 points in crunch time.

Finally, I applaud the refs for making the right call, despite doing it all wrong. In no way did that call determine the winner of that game. Did it make it tougher for the Lions, sure but that is what this game is all about. Dallas found ways to adapt, improvise and overcome, while the Lions.......they chose to punt.

Dallas didn't let misfortune stop them from making the plays to win the game. Simple as that folks. Simple as that.
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You succeeded in being simple, nice work.
 
The Packers just had their way with Detroit. Now they will do whatever they want against Dallas. Making this call irrelevant in the end. The Packers have the best offensive line in the NFL.

 
cowboyz1 said:
I'm going to make this real simple fellas. Had the game been played without the call everyone would be talking about how this game saved the weekend for it's pure excitement. Yes, there would be a few tiffs about some of the calls here and there but for the most part, Romo, TW and the Dallas defense would be dominating the conversations. It's a shame that it has come to this because for me any playoff team that scores but 3 points in the second half of a playoff game has no business winning anyhow.

That said, the call did happen and if you watch the play from all angles there were fouls on both players. Petigrew DID grab Hitch's facemask and Hitch although did a great job selling his coverage, grabbed his shoulder on the route and did enough to warrant a flag. However, if you're honest with yourself and have any kind of football purest in your blood, that play had no business deciding a football game of that magnitude. There is no way Detroit should have needed to pin there hope of winning that game on a referee throwing a flag. Petigrew was covered, had no chance of catching the ball because Hitch did a great job of being in the position that he was. Think back to when football was about making real plays despite rough play. Back when you couldn't depend on PI and PFs to bail you out. When players had to play football and WR actually had to get open, catch the ball knowing they could get knocked out, a time where the defender had as much right to the ball as the WR.

I know exactly what the refs were thinking. The three officials got together and asked each other what they saw. They all looked at each other and said, wasn't enough contact to give them a free pass. The guy who threw the flag was the furthest from the play and threw the flag based on the given precedent that when a defender has his back to the play and doesn't turn his head, it's a penalty. The three said NO, in a game like this, you're going to have to win it making plays. I applaud them for the decision. Had it been against my Cowboys, YES, I would be pissed off. However, I would also know deep down that they made the right decision and weren't about to give a free first down on a poor throw to a covered receiver who had no chance of making the play whether Hitch grazed him or not. That simple. Now the way they handled it was poor which is why we are here #####ing about it. I have felt exactly the way Lions fans do about calls like this, but deep down I am more pissed about the play call and the decision to make such a poor pass to a covered receiver, praying for a call.

I have no problem arguing it was the RIGHT call given the circumstances and Detroit had ample time and opportunity to win that game. Like I said, 3 points in two quarters does not a winner make.

Now as far as some fix being in. Ridiculous. If the Lions showed some balls and went for it on 4th and 1 like we did TWICE, perhaps they would have won. Instead they counted on a ticky tack call to go their way. I don't know about you but football is a contact sport and you had better know how to make plays in spite of contact. That is the foundation of this game and without it you don't have football. Some refs know the difference between PI and playing through contact. I wish more did because the pusification of this game has got to stop.

The conversation should be about how Romo played his ### off in spite of being legally mauled. TW stepping up to make plays. Murray grinding out some tough yards. Beasley making timely first downs. Witten coming up HUGE on 4th down twice and the Cowboys defense holding the Lions to 3 points in crunch time.

Finally, I applaud the refs for making the right call, despite doing it all wrong. In no way did that call determine the winner of that game. Did it make it tougher for the Lions, sure but that is what this game is all about. Dallas found ways to adapt, improvise and overcome, while the Lions.......they chose to punt.

Dallas didn't let misfortune stop them from making the plays to win the game. Simple as that folks. Simple as that.
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It seems Dallas benefited from another non-call.

From theredzone.org---

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The NFL admitted to the Detroit Lions Tuesday that officials missed a blatant hold on Ndamukong Suh on a crucial fourth-down conversion from Tony Romo to Jason Witten with six minutes left in Sunday's wild-card game, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.

The conversion happened after the disputed Brandon Pettigrew play and before the Cowboys' go-ahead touchdown.

Had holding been called, it would have put the Cowboys in fourth-and-16 on Detroit's side of the field. Dallas likely would have punted and Detroit still would have the lead.

NFL head of officials Dean Blandino said Monday that the non-call on pass interference against Pettigrew by Cowboys linebacker Anthony Hitchens was debatable, but holding definitely should have been called on the play."

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/47209/NFL--Holding-missed-on-Dallas--key-1st-down/Default.aspx

 
Pettigrew grabbed his facemask, then the defender didn't look back. Seems like two fouls, letting them play type ref-ing. I don't see the prob.

The one camera view didn't show Pettigrew grabbing the facemask so I get why people are upset, but now that the other angle is "out there" ya gotta see that it was two penalties.

 
moondog said:
cowboyz1 said:
I'm going to make this real simple fellas. Had the game been played without the call everyone would be talking about how this game saved the weekend for it's pure excitement. Yes, there would be a few tiffs about some of the calls here and there but for the most part, Romo, TW and the Dallas defense would be dominating the conversations. It's a shame that it has come to this because for me any playoff team that scores but 3 points in the second half of a playoff game has no business winning anyhow.

That said, the call did happen and if you watch the play from all angles there were fouls on both players. Petigrew DID grab Hitch's facemask and Hitch although did a great job selling his coverage, grabbed his shoulder on the route and did enough to warrant a flag. However, if you're honest with yourself and have any kind of football purest in your blood, that play had no business deciding a football game of that magnitude. There is no way Detroit should have needed to pin there hope of winning that game on a referee throwing a flag. Petigrew was covered, had no chance of catching the ball because Hitch did a great job of being in the position that he was. Think back to when football was about making real plays despite rough play. Back when you couldn't depend on PI and PFs to bail you out. When players had to play football and WR actually had to get open, catch the ball knowing they could get knocked out, a time where the defender had as much right to the ball as the WR.

I know exactly what the refs were thinking. The three officials got together and asked each other what they saw. They all looked at each other and said, wasn't enough contact to give them a free pass. The guy who threw the flag was the furthest from the play and threw the flag based on the given precedent that when a defender has his back to the play and doesn't turn his head, it's a penalty. The three said NO, in a game like this, you're going to have to win it making plays. I applaud them for the decision. Had it been against my Cowboys, YES, I would be pissed off. However, I would also know deep down that they made the right decision and weren't about to give a free first down on a poor throw to a covered receiver who had no chance of making the play whether Hitch grazed him or not. That simple. Now the way they handled it was poor which is why we are here #####ing about it. I have felt exactly the way Lions fans do about calls like this, but deep down I am more pissed about the play call and the decision to make such a poor pass to a covered receiver, praying for a call.

I have no problem arguing it was the RIGHT call given the circumstances and Detroit had ample time and opportunity to win that game. Like I said, 3 points in two quarters does not a winner make.

Now as far as some fix being in. Ridiculous. If the Lions showed some balls and went for it on 4th and 1 like we did TWICE, perhaps they would have won. Instead they counted on a ticky tack call to go their way. I don't know about you but football is a contact sport and you had better know how to make plays in spite of contact. That is the foundation of this game and without it you don't have football. Some refs know the difference between PI and playing through contact. I wish more did because the pusification of this game has got to stop.

The conversation should be about how Romo played his ### off in spite of being legally mauled. TW stepping up to make plays. Murray grinding out some tough yards. Beasley making timely first downs. Witten coming up HUGE on 4th down twice and the Cowboys defense holding the Lions to 3 points in crunch time.

Finally, I applaud the refs for making the right call, despite doing it all wrong. In no way did that call determine the winner of that game. Did it make it tougher for the Lions, sure but that is what this game is all about. Dallas found ways to adapt, improvise and overcome, while the Lions.......they chose to punt.

Dallas didn't let misfortune stop them from making the plays to win the game. Simple as that folks. Simple as that.
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It seems Dallas benefited from another non-call.

From theredzone.org---

"

The NFL admitted to the Detroit Lions Tuesday that officials missed a blatant hold on Ndamukong Suh on a crucial fourth-down conversion from Tony Romo to Jason Witten with six minutes left in Sunday's wild-card game, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.

The conversion happened after the disputed Brandon Pettigrew play and before the Cowboys' go-ahead touchdown.

Had holding been called, it would have put the Cowboys in fourth-and-16 on Detroit's side of the field. Dallas likely would have punted and Detroit still would have the lead.

NFL head of officials Dean Blandino said Monday that the non-call on pass interference against Pettigrew by Cowboys linebacker Anthony Hitchens was debatable, but holding definitely should have been called on the play."

http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/47209/NFL--Holding-missed-on-Dallas--key-1st-down/Default.aspx
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I think there needs to be an investigation into this game. Anyone know which ref was responsible for this call?

 
ourmanflint said:
GoBirds said:
Amused to Death said:
Manster said:
Amused to Death said:
Manster said:
KellysHeroes said:
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
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This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
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The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
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Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
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So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
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Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.
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There was a clear holding foul on Bush's touchdown run that would have nullified it. It wasn't called. What about that? Will that also get corrected in GB?
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Is this the one?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nfl-says-refs-screwed-another-212121365.html

...and yes, that will get corrected in GB.

 
discountdoublecheck said:
The Packers just had their way with Detroit. Now they will do whatever they want against Dallas. Making this call irrelevant in the end. The Packers have the best offensive line in the NFL.
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:goodposting:

The Lions had no chance of beating the Seahawks on the road, and Dallas isn't going to beat Green Bay. Ultimately, as painful as the loss was, it's not going to make a hill of beans of difference in the overall NFC playoff picture.

 
nysfl2 said:
discountdoublecheck said:
The Packers just had their way with Detroit. Now they will do whatever they want against Dallas. Making this call irrelevant in the end. The Packers have the best offensive line in the NFL.
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:goodposting:

The Lions had no chance of beating the Seahawks on the road, and Dallas isn't going to beat Green Bay. Ultimately, as painful as the loss was, it's not going to make a hill of beans of difference in the overall NFC playoff picture.
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Everyone has a chance to win. Dallas has played well on the road this year, and it is not a sure thing that Green Bay is going to win at home.

 
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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Its a good laugh watching you whiny Dallas fans defend your win you should never have had between the DPI followed by the holding non call on 4th down. Sorry bud, unless you are playing on Superbowl Sunday no one wants to trade places with you and given your QB and playing on the road I dont like your chances. You Dallas fans should start another thread though trying to defend it, it does give Eagles fans something to make fun of.

 
Cowboys won the game. Folks need to move on. Whining will not make it any better. Forget about it, it's over.

 
GoBirds said:
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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Its a good laugh watching you whiny Dallas fans defend your win you should never have had between the DPI followed by the holding non call on 4th down. Sorry bud, unless you are playing on Superbowl Sunday no one wants to trade places with you and given your QB and playing on the road I dont like your chances. You Dallas fans should start another thread though trying to defend it, it does give Eagles fans something to make fun of.
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Eagles fans since Week 15 "Dallas is going to lose guaranteed. Cant wait. Romo is choke artist. We got this division wrapped up." Keep on doubting guys. You should eventually be right.

 
GoBirds said:
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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Its a good laugh watching you whiny Dallas fans defend your win you should never have had between the DPI followed by the holding non call on 4th down. Sorry bud, unless you are playing on Superbowl Sunday no one wants to trade places with you and given your QB and playing on the road I dont like your chances. You Dallas fans should start another thread though trying to defend it, it does give Eagles fans something to make fun of.
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I'm not a Cowboy or Lion fan, but IMO you can't single out a couple plays out of an entire game and say either one caused the win or loss.There were 14 penalties in that game. Did the NFL look at every single one and say whether it was a 'good' or 'bad' call? There were 125 offensive plays, 10 kick-offs and 8 punts. Did they look at every single one of those and determine whether there were missed penalties that could have been called? You're #####ing about 2 plays that got singled out for scrutiny out of 143. If they looked at every single play I'm sure there were others that Detroit got away with too.

 
Dragon1952 said:
GoBirds said:
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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Its a good laugh watching you whiny Dallas fans defend your win you should never have had between the DPI followed by the holding non call on 4th down. Sorry bud, unless you are playing on Superbowl Sunday no one wants to trade places with you and given your QB and playing on the road I dont like your chances. You Dallas fans should start another thread though trying to defend it, it does give Eagles fans something to make fun of.
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I'm not a Cowboy or Lion fan, but IMO you can't single out a couple plays out of an entire game and say either one caused the win or loss.There were 14 penalties in that game. Did the NFL look at every single one and say whether it was a 'good' or 'bad' call? There were 125 offensive plays, 10 kick-offs and 8 punts. Did they look at every single one of those and determine whether there were missed penalties that could have been called? You're #####ing about 2 plays that got singled out for scrutiny out of 143. If they looked at every single play I'm sure there were others that Detroit got away with too.
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Don't they review all plays? That why they apologized for missing the 4th down hold?

 
Warrior said:
TwinTurbo said:
jurb26 said:
TwinTurbo said:
That said, we can all agree the Lions should have went for it on the next play. Only a coward punts it in that situation, especially after the screw job from the refs.
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This seems to be a majority view and I thinks it's simply wrong. It's easy to say they should have gone for it knowing now that the punter would shank it for only 10 yds. Det was playing great D up to that point. You'd have to think they like their chances with their D and pinning them back.
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Its more reckless to punt it in that situation than to go for it, even if its a good punt. It's not just some stats nerd theory or message board bro science, its been proven time and time again in the regular season and playoffs. Yet most NFL coaches think it is far less risky to punt in that spot, even though it actually lowers their chances of winning.
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False. When you have Detroit's defense and the lead, statistically it is better to punt in that situation (assuming it doesn't get shanked 98% of the time)
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Can you please cite the evidence that shows it is "statistically" advantageous to punt on 4th and short in your opponent's territory? Because every stat I've ever seen says that going for it is a no-brainer.

 
For the record, Blandino specifically addressed the Pettigrew face mask and said it was not significant enough to warrant a penalty.

 
GoBirds said:
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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Its a good laugh watching you whiny Dallas fans defend your win you should never have had between the DPI followed by the holding non call on 4th down. Sorry bud, unless you are playing on Superbowl Sunday no one wants to trade places with you and given your QB and playing on the road I dont like your chances. You Dallas fans should start another thread though trying to defend it, it does give Eagles fans something to make fun of.
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You really should look up the definition of "whiny".And we will take our QB Romo; you keep your QB Dirty Sanchez. All good now?

 
cmv5 said:
zftcg said:
For the record, Blandino specifically addressed the Pettigrew face mask and said it was not significant enough to warrant a penalty.
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Please show me the quote on that one.
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Sure thing:

Although some observers have suggested that Pettigrew also should have been flagged for facemasking Hitchens, Blandino says that’s not the case.

“I felt that was minimal contact,” Blandino said of Pettigrew’s contact with Hitchens’s facemask.
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FWIW, I'm a Lions fan who thinks the calls were bad, but only played a small part in the outcome. Still, it's interesting that people keep bringing up things like Pettigrew's face mask or other supposed missed calls, yet the only decisions the NFL has called out were a) the hold by Hitchens, b) the UC non-call on Dez, and c) the missed hold on Suh on 4th and 6.

 
G-King said:
GoBirds said:
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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Its a good laugh watching you whiny Dallas fans defend your win you should never have had between the DPI followed by the holding non call on 4th down. Sorry bud, unless you are playing on Superbowl Sunday no one wants to trade places with you and given your QB and playing on the road I dont like your chances. You Dallas fans should start another thread though trying to defend it, it does give Eagles fans something to make fun of.
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You really should look up the definition of "whiny".And we will take our QB Romo; you keep your QB Dirty Sanchez. All good now?
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You shouldn't hate on Sanchez, he's the only reason you made the playoffs.

 
Oh trust me, the Dallas fan base LOVES Sanchez. :)

You took a serious behind kicking; Romo was flawless, so it didnt matter who was QBing in Philly. You guys have a decent nucleus, and hopefully Chip figures out how to use them correctly, but your hate clouds your judgement and just reinforces the reputation of the oxymoron "City of Brotherly Love". While there are some really good fans in Philly who can debate with facts and educated opinions and still love their team, you, not so much. Just another whiny, no fare, boo hoo the-refs-did-it-to-us-again, homer.

Stop living in denial, and lets play again next year. We will play next week, tho. ;)

 
not sure in the history of sports a player has ever played a perfect game, a coach coached a perfect game, or officials have officiated a perfect game.....even a pitcher who throws a "perfect game" probably made some bad pitches, etc.....

so yeah....the arguement on one side can always be....."it's not what cost them the game".....

only in rare situations like Jim Joyce blowing the call at first on the last out of the game costing Armando Galarraga a perfect game....can you say that an officials call determined the outcome......

in most other situations there will always be people that say "they could have done something different earlier" or "they had other chances to win after that"....etc

but I will stick to my position that most NFL players and coaches will tell you that there are usually 2-3 crucial plays in every closely contested contest.....that usually decide the outcome......there is no way to deny here that that flag being picked up was a crucial play at a crucial time....

in sports like basketball with shot clocks, etc.....you are going to get the ball back quickly....it's back and forth/change of possession.....in football, however, things are magnified because of what converting for a first down means to the game and the clock and field position, etc....

if you are a true football fan and have a team you are a die hard fan for.....you know exactly what the NFL coaches/players mean when you are watching a game.....there are certain plays (only a few, but there are certain ones) where you find yourself actually saying out loud "this is a huge play in this game".....it may be early (a team just really needs to not go 3 and out again), it may be late, but there are those plays.....

this was one of them......and the way it was handled (and Dez coming on the field to argue) made it even worse.....personally I think DET wins if the call stands, but thats just from the gut and watching a ton of football......but nobody will ever really know and thats why the one side of the arguement will always have the upper hand in these discussions.....

 
Dragon1952 said:
GoBirds said:
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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Its a good laugh watching you whiny Dallas fans defend your win you should never have had between the DPI followed by the holding non call on 4th down. Sorry bud, unless you are playing on Superbowl Sunday no one wants to trade places with you and given your QB and playing on the road I dont like your chances. You Dallas fans should start another thread though trying to defend it, it does give Eagles fans something to make fun of.
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I'm not a Cowboy or Lion fan, but IMO you can't single out a couple plays out of an entire game and say either one caused the win or loss.There were 14 penalties in that game. Did the NFL look at every single one and say whether it was a 'good' or 'bad' call? There were 125 offensive plays, 10 kick-offs and 8 punts. Did they look at every single one of those and determine whether there were missed penalties that could have been called? You're #####ing about 2 plays that got singled out for scrutiny out of 143. If they looked at every single play I'm sure there were others that Detroit got away with too.
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yes they do actually look at EVERY play to see if it was officiated properly.......

 
G-King said:
G-King, on 07 Jan 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:Oh trust me, the Dallas fan base LOVES Sanchez. :)

You took a serious behind kicking; Romo was flawless, so it didnt matter who was QBing in Philly. You guys have a decent nucleus, and hopefully Chip figures out how to use them correctly, but your hate clouds your judgement and just reinforces the reputation of the oxymoron "City of Brotherly Love". While there are some really good fans in Philly who can debate with facts and educated opinions and still love their team, you, not so much. Just another whiny, no fare, boo hoo the-refs-did-it-to-us-again, homer.

Stop living in denial, and lets play again next year. We will play next week, tho. ;)
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Aww didn't mean to hurt your little feelings. Theres no hate, just find it comical they way Dallas fans are trying to justify the BS calls that changed the game. You got a gift (I would take it anyday), just admit it. Our season was over when our QB went down, I'm OK with that but cant defend butt fumble in any way he sucks. I like our chances next year and would only hate on Dallas for being Dallas if you won the Superbowl this year, otherwise it doesn't really matter to me.

 
I'm shocked that the NFL came out and admitted they missed a holding call, I have never seen them admit to missing holding... wow

 
G-King said:
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
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I don't know if Dallas fans realize this, but you guys have pretty much been the laughing stock of the league the past ten years. So no, after one playoff win, we wouldn't trade places if we could.

 
LOL I'm neither an Eagles or Cowboys fan but this is funny to me.

For fun, I'll post the Eagles list of Super Bowl accomplishments:

 
To all you people saying one call doesn't decide a game -- if that was true then we would still have replacement refs.

To all you people saying it doesn't matter, it will all be made better in GB -- that's like taking the attitude of who cares about the thief, he/she will burn in hell anyways.

This is why we wanted play reviews in football, we want right calls at all times. We let some go because we understand it's not perfect but this one was different. As someone above already said, it wasn't a missed call, it was called and picked up. That's a huge difference and that's why it's still a topic of conversation. Don't let your ego tell you it's because it's all the hate for the cowboys. A terrible call is terrible -- terrible for the reputation of the game. It's really hard to defend calls when the NFL admits to getting it wrong (we all know how much they love to admit to being wrong these days).

To all the people saying the game's over, move on -- we should always strive to not repeat mistakes. There should be a legitimate conversation about whether some penalties that aren't reviewable should now be reviewable.

 
pizzatyme said:
LOL I'm neither an Eagles or Cowboys fan but this is funny to me.

For fun, I'll post the Eagles list of Super Bowl accomplishments:
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I think we all agree the Cowboys were great 20 years ago. Unfortunately for them Jimmy Johnson didn't want to put up with Bozo and since it's been Bozo ' s circus. We won some sweet titles in the 60's if you want to go back decades haha.

Love the Cowboys arrogance like anyone still thinks they are anything but Jerry's circus.

 
KellysHeroes said:
I'm shocked that the NFL came out and admitted they missed a holding call, I have never seen them admit to missing holding... wow
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So is this what its going to come to? Next we'll have a detailed list of every call that was missed after every game. Cant wait for that. Maybe they need two more refs on the field? More cameras with officials watching for penalties? There will be a creepy whistle from above, as a flag drops from the rafters. A robot voice will announce the penalty..............QB's will play in plastic bubbles with a mechanical arm to throw with. If defensive players even talk to the opposing QB, they will be flagged for harassment. Eligible receivers will have an area around them that defenders cannot enter.

 
GoBirds said:
pizzatyme said:
LOL I'm neither an Eagles or Cowboys fan but this is funny to me.

For fun, I'll post the Eagles list of Super Bowl accomplishments:
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I think we all agree the Cowboys were great 20 years ago. Unfortunately for them Jimmy Johnson didn't want to put up with Bozo and since it's been Bozo ' s circus. We won some sweet titles in the 60's if you want to go back decades haha.

Love the Cowboys arrogance like anyone still thinks they are anything but Jerry's circus.
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Dude, we get it. You hate the Cowboys and their fans. They haven't been good for blah, blah, blah.........Jerry's world, blah, blah,.........eagles, gritty, tough, chip (no pun intended) on our shoulder, blah, blah.......dirty sanchez buyin philly cheese's, blah, blah, blah.......We didn't win the east but we're gonna get a better draft pick, blah, blah.........GB is gonna make that reversed call right!, blah, blah, BLAH!!

I'd like to thank you for reaffirming to me, why the eagles are the most loathsome franchise in the NFL.

 
Manster said:
KellysHeroes said:
I'm shocked that the NFL came out and admitted they missed a holding call, I have never seen them admit to missing holding... wow
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So is this what its going to come to? Next we'll have a detailed list of every call that was missed after every game. Cant wait for that. Maybe they need two more refs on the field? More cameras with officials watching for penalties? There will be a creepy whistle from above, as a flag drops from the rafters. A robot voice will announce the penalty..............QB's will play in plastic bubbles with a mechanical arm to throw with. If defensive players even talk to the opposing QB, they will be flagged for harassment. Eligible receivers will have an area around them that defenders cannot enter.
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Keep the excuses coming....I love it.

 
Manster said:
KellysHeroes said:
I'm shocked that the NFL came out and admitted they missed a holding call, I have never seen them admit to missing holding... wow
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So is this what its going to come to? Next we'll have a detailed list of every call that was missed after every game. Cant wait for that. Maybe they need two more refs on the field? More cameras with officials watching for penalties? There will be a creepy whistle from above, as a flag drops from the rafters. A robot voice will announce the penalty..............QB's will play in plastic bubbles with a mechanical arm to throw with. If defensive players even talk to the opposing QB, they will be flagged for harassment. Eligible receivers will have an area around them that defenders cannot enter.
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Um, you do know that we've already had something like that for years, right?

 
G-King said:
pizzatyme said:
LOL I'm neither an Eagles or Cowboys fan but this is funny to me.

For fun, I'll post the Eagles list of Super Bowl accomplishments:
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Well played.
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Hey, as far as we know, McNabb is the only QB to ever throw up during a super bowl. Give us credit for something!

 
GoBirds said:
Manster said:
KellysHeroes said:
I'm shocked that the NFL came out and admitted they missed a holding call, I have never seen them admit to missing holding... wow
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So is this what its going to come to? Next we'll have a detailed list of every call that was missed after every game. Cant wait for that. Maybe they need two more refs on the field? More cameras with officials watching for penalties? There will be a creepy whistle from above, as a flag drops from the rafters. A robot voice will announce the penalty..............QB's will play in plastic bubbles with a mechanical arm to throw with. If defensive players even talk to the opposing QB, they will be flagged for harassment. Eligible receivers will have an area around them that defenders cannot enter.
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Keep the excuses coming....I love it.
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No excuses. I'll admit the Cowboys benefitted from some calls/non-calls, but so did the Lions.....I honestly don't want to see the NFL issuing statements and apologies about missed calls. I think its opening a can of worms that don't need to be opened. These kinds of things should be handled at yearly employee reviews, just like with any employee of a business.....If refs keep missing calls, get rid of em....Good ones get compensated.

I'll also admit I'm biased in my assessment.......My responses are typically to offset the biased haters piling on.....Since we're being honest, most want to see the Cowboys lose, and when there's controversy involving them, it goes beyond objective analysis......And yes it annoys me.....Shoulda been my new years resolution to not let it bug me! Too late! Someone call the Wahhmbulance!

 
zftcg said:
Manster said:
KellysHeroes said:
I'm shocked that the NFL came out and admitted they missed a holding call, I have never seen them admit to missing holding... wow
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So is this what its going to come to? Next we'll have a detailed list of every call that was missed after every game. Cant wait for that. Maybe they need two more refs on the field? More cameras with officials watching for penalties? There will be a creepy whistle from above, as a flag drops from the rafters. A robot voice will announce the penalty..............QB's will play in plastic bubbles with a mechanical arm to throw with. If defensive players even talk to the opposing QB, they will be flagged for harassment. Eligible receivers will have an area around them that defenders cannot enter.
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Um, you do know that we've already had something like that for years, right?
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I don't pay attention to things like that. But yea, I'm sure the Officials have a QA kinda deal for going over their performance. That makes sense. The point I was trying to make, is how far will this go? Maybe if theres more than 6 missed calls on one team, the game is replayed? The win goes into another column with an asterisk? I'm exaggerating, but now you get my point?

 
I still don't get how Cowboy fans can argue how horrible a decision this was. It is absolutely unprecedented in the history of the NFL... that's how bad it is.

Look... refs miss calls or make bad calls all the time. It's human nature. Some games they do a better job than other. In this game, fans of both teams can argue that there were missed calls on both sides (Dez coming onto the field, the Dallas kicker getting run into, etc... probably 4-5 on both teams).

There are also calls reversed in games all the time. A flag is thrown, refs get together immediately, talk about a play, and pick up a flag. Happens all the time

What makes "the call" different than anything else in this game (or any other game in the history of the NFL) is the process that it was handled.

NEVER... EVER... has a flag been thrown, the penalty been announced by the ref at the stadium, the penalty marked off, the ball spotted, and then... THEN... have a flag reversed. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED... EVER. Whether the call was right or not is irrelevant. One can argue that the call was correct or that it wasn't, it's a judgment call. But once it's made, announced, marked off, and the ball spotted. That should be the end of the story. PERIOD.

If you don't get why this call is different than any other call in the game (or any other game in the history of the league for that matter) then you just don't get it and you never will.

In football...

There are bad calls

There are missed calls

There are reversed calls

and then... then... there was this call. 1st of its kind. EVER

 
and to clarify... I'm not saying that if the call stood the Lions would have definitely won the game. Who knows what would have happened.

I just don't get how ANYBODY can say this was correct... and "they got it right". It's a judgment call that was announced, marked off, and spotted. It does not get reversed at that point. PERIOD.

 
isiahcleaves said:
I still don't get how Cowboy fans can argue how horrible a decision this was. It is absolutely unprecedented in the history of the NFL... that's how bad it is.

Look... refs miss calls or make bad calls all the time. It's human nature. Some games they do a better job than other. In this game, fans of both teams can argue that there were missed calls on both sides (Dez coming onto the field, the Dallas kicker getting run into, etc... probably 4-5 on both teams).

There are also calls reversed in games all the time. A flag is thrown, refs get together immediately, talk about a play, and pick up a flag. Happens all the time

What makes "the call" different than anything else in this game (or any other game in the history of the NFL) is the process that it was handled.

NEVER... EVER... has a flag been thrown, the penalty been announced by the ref at the stadium, the penalty marked off, the ball spotted, and then... THEN... have a flag reversed. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED... EVER. Whether the call was right or not is irrelevant. One can argue that the call was correct or that it wasn't, it's a judgment call. But once it's made, announced, marked off, and the ball spotted. That should be the end of the story. PERIOD.

If you don't get why this call is different than any other call in the game (or any other game in the history of the league for that matter) then you just don't get it and you never will.

In football...

There are bad calls

There are missed calls

There are reversed calls

and then... then... there was this call. 1st of its kind. EVER
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Wrong, for the record, the worst call in history was the Golden Taint catch that wasn't giving Sea the win. Followed by the Holy Roller. In comparison, this call may as well been off sides on an extra point enforced on the kickoff. Especially meaningless.

 
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I still don't get how Cowboy fans can argue how horrible a decision this was. It is absolutely unprecedented in the history of the NFL... that's how bad it is.

Look... refs miss calls or make bad calls all the time. It's human nature. Some games they do a better job than other. In this game, fans of both teams can argue that there were missed calls on both sides (Dez coming onto the field, the Dallas kicker getting run into, etc... probably 4-5 on both teams).

There are also calls reversed in games all the time. A flag is thrown, refs get together immediately, talk about a play, and pick up a flag. Happens all the time

What makes "the call" different than anything else in this game (or any other game in the history of the NFL) is the process that it was handled.

NEVER... EVER... has a flag been thrown, the penalty been announced by the ref at the stadium, the penalty marked off, the ball spotted, and then... THEN... have a flag reversed. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED... EVER. Whether the call was right or not is irrelevant. One can argue that the call was correct or that it wasn't, it's a judgment call. But once it's made, announced, marked off, and the ball spotted. That should be the end of the story. PERIOD.

If you don't get why this call is different than any other call in the game (or any other game in the history of the league for that matter) then you just don't get it and you never will.

In football...

There are bad calls

There are missed calls

There are reversed calls

and then... then... there was this call. 1st of its kind. EVER
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Come on man, quit being so dramatic. You act like this the worst thing to ever happen in sports...EVER....PERIOD.

 
Manster said:
Come on man, quit being so dramatic. You act like this the worst thing to ever happen in sports...EVER....PERIOD.
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It is precedent setting. PERIOD.

There are bad calls, missed calls, and reversed calls all the time. There were plenty in this game. This call is unprecedented... PERIOD... and will likely result in some type of procedure/rules change during the offseason.

 
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