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Is Tampa the worst 4-0 ever? (1 Viewer)

For the record, the Head of NFL Officiating reviewed the Play and STILL agrees with the TD being overturned:

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That wasn't enough to persuade Mariucci, who stated his case in a pair of conversations with NFL director of officiating Mike Pereira . Neither chat produced a consensus, though.

"We agreed to disagree," Mariucci said during a news conference in Detroit. "In my mind, I still think it is a catch. It is water over the dam, but I thought Marcus had possession with his hands before he slid out of bounds. There was no ruling of a bobble and I thought he clearly had control of it with his hands before he tucked it away and slid out of bounds."

That's where the coach and Pereira differed.

"Mike felt that he didn't have control," Mariucci said. "That was the word: control. It kept coming up in our conversation. He felt that he needed to have control before sliding out of bounds. My point was that I thought catching the ball with your hands constitutes control. It doesn't have to be catch-and-tuck. Catching the ball without the bobble is good enough for me, but he felt he needed to have better control of the ball prior to sliding out."

Mariucci said the team had no plans to file a formal protest.

The NFL obviously feels the ball needed to come to rest before Pollard touched the sideline, since he cradled it.

End of story.

 
For the record, the Head of NFL Officiating reviewed the Play and STILL agrees with the TD being overturned:
That's not news that's status quo. Of course he is going to defend the officials on a close call. Did anyone expect different?
 
You Tampa homers are like discussing things with kids. "No we are the best team and you are not." "Ha Ha, (sticks tounge out and spits)" Seriously, look at your team objectively for once as few of you have in this thread and think before you post next time.
What the hell are you talking about? Do you not think the Bucs have 1 of the best defenses in the NFL right now? Can you at least come half way. I am sure Capella, myself, Barnes will be the first to tell you our offense is sporadic right now vs a terrific type offense like the Eagles have.Is Tampa a Super bowl team? Their offense wasn't that great in '02. Are they a Super Bowl team? No, not right now but if the running game continues to do well and they can become more efficient with their pass attack, good things will happen in the post season.

Get off the Bucs are a crappy 4-0 team...they're not. They're no '72 Dolphins, but they are solid.
They looked solid as a marshmellow today. A 42 YO man with less than a week of practice, and a 32 YO RB on his last legs, managed to get enough done to beat those "solid" Bucs.Thankfully for the Bucs fans, they are inthe NFC, so a playoff berth is all but guarenteed with a .500 record...and they'll probably finish a game above that at 9-7.

 
For the record, the Head of NFL Officiating reviewed the Play and STILL agrees with the TD being overturned:
That's not news that's status quo. Of course he is going to defend the officials on a close call. Did anyone expect different?
You've never seen the NFL apologize for incorrect calls? :wall:

Ugly loss today, but I have been saying for weeks that 5-2 after 7 weeks is where the Bucs need to be going into the tough second half of the season. Win next week at home and get Carnell healthy and things will be fine.

 
3 Superbowl wins and many more championships. :own3d:
Only one of which you were alive for.Enjoy celebrating that 1928 championship this year.

:own3d:
:clap: Great comeback. Bravo!!
Seriously though, why can't a Packer fan have a discussion about a current year they are not doing well in without ending the arguement with "Blah blah Super Bowl Titles blah blah Championships"? Should we always put "Disclaimer: We are only discussing the current year." when talking to Packer fans?
 
3 Superbowl wins and many more championships. :own3d:
Only one of which you were alive for.Enjoy celebrating that 1928 championship this year.

:own3d:
:clap: Great comeback. Bravo!!
Seriously though, why can't a Packer fan have a discussion about a current year they are not doing well in without ending the arguement with "Blah blah Super Bowl Titles blah blah Championships"? Should we always put "Disclaimer: We are only discussing the current year." when talking to Packer fans?
Because when you're looking at 3-13 or 4-12, with no reasonable hope for the future, you need to look to the past (even if it was 40, 50 or 70 years ago) to make you feel better.
 
Packers will go 9-7 this year... either outright win the division or come in 2nd place due to a tie. I have said this all along. I thought the road would not start out 0-4 but things will turn around.My comment about Superbowls was in jest and in reference to another thread.The Packers this year have lost three games by a total of 6 points. There record may not be good but they are not a bad team and their record overshadows that fact. Allbeit an important fact.

 
3 Superbowl wins and many more championships. :own3d:
Only one of which you were alive for.Enjoy celebrating that 1928 championship this year.

:own3d:
:clap: Great comeback. Bravo!!
Seriously though, why can't a Packer fan have a discussion about a current year they are not doing well in without ending the arguement with "Blah blah Super Bowl Titles blah blah Championships"? Should we always put "Disclaimer: We are only discussing the current year." when talking to Packer fans?
It's like talking to Notre Dame fans.Disclaimer: I am one. But a lot of "us" make me sick with the "look at all our national titles" syndrome. It's been 17 years, guys.

 
Packers will go 9-7 this year... either outright win the division or come in 2nd place due to a tie. I have said this all along. I thought the road would not start out 0-4 but things will turn around.

My comment about Superbowls was in jest and in reference to another thread.

The Packers this year have lost three games by a total of 6 points. There record may not be good but they are not a bad team and their record overshadows that fact. Allbeit an important fact.
IF the Pack go 9-7, they will win the division by a runaway.
 
Packers will go 9-7 this year... either outright win the division or come in 2nd place due to a tie.  I have said this all along.  I thought the road would not start out 0-4 but things will turn around.

My comment about Superbowls was in jest and in reference to another thread.

The Packers this year have lost three games by a total of 6 points.  There record may not be good but they are not a bad team and their record overshadows that fact.  Allbeit an important fact.
IF the Pack go 9-7, they will win the division by a runaway.
So, including yesterday, you think the Pack will play .750 ball after an 0-4 start? That's a bold prediction. Considering that no team in that division is far and above another, I can see them going 5-0 against division opponents the rest of the way but I still think it is unlikely. But assuming they can go 5-0 against their division, what 3 non-division games do they win?at Cincinnati

Pittsburgh

at Atlanta

at Philadelphia

at Baltimore

Seattle

 
HOMER @ RJ it's cool that you disagree.  You just aren't viewing things objectively.  Proof is in the pudding.  We don't we revisit this thread in a month?
I've said many times in the past few weeks that this Bucs team has flaws. I don't trust Griese primarily. But to say they should be 1-3 or 2-2 is pretty absurd. Good teams find ways to win games, on the road (which they've done twice, in hostile places to play) and when they aren't playing well (yesterday). They have a top-3 defense, a very good running game, and an easy schedule. You certainly won't want to be bumping this thread a month from now.
8 days later :yes:
 
Packers will go 9-7 this year... either outright win the division or come in 2nd place due to a tie.  I have said this all along.  I thought the road would not start out 0-4 but things will turn around.

My comment about Superbowls was in jest and in reference to another thread.

The Packers this year have lost three games by a total of 6 points.  There record may not be good but they are not a bad team and their record overshadows that fact.  Allbeit an important fact.
IF the Pack go 9-7, they will win the division by a runaway.
So, including yesterday, you think the Pack will play .750 ball after an 0-4 start? That's a bold prediction. Considering that no team in that division is far and above another, I can see them going 5-0 against division opponents the rest of the way but I still think it is unlikely. But assuming they can go 5-0 against their division, what 3 non-division games do they win?at Cincinnati

Pittsburgh

at Atlanta

at Philadelphia

at Baltimore

Seattle
:goodposting:
 
For the record, the Head of NFL Officiating reviewed the Play and STILL agrees with the TD being overturned:
That's not news that's status quo. Of course he is going to defend the officials on a close call. Did anyone expect different?
You've never seen the NFL apologize for incorrect calls? :wall:

Ugly loss today, but I have been saying for weeks that 5-2 after 7 weeks is where the Bucs need to be going into the tough second half of the season. Win next week at home and get Carnell healthy and things will be fine.
A call that could go either way like that? Not really. I did say a "close" call. Perhaps you could find me one. I'm always ready to admit to a mistake. I'll check back.
 
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For the record, the Head of NFL Officiating reviewed the Play and STILL agrees with the TD being overturned:
That's not news that's status quo. Of course he is going to defend the officials on a close call. Did anyone expect different?
You've never seen the NFL apologize for incorrect calls? :wall:

Ugly loss today, but I have been saying for weeks that 5-2 after 7 weeks is where the Bucs need to be going into the tough second half of the season. Win next week at home and get Carnell healthy and things will be fine.
A call that could go either way like that? Not really. I did say a "close" call. Perhaps you could find me one. I'm always ready to admit to a mistake. I'll check back.
The point is for anyone to say the refs blew the call is ridiculous. They admit it when they do, regardless of the consequences of the call.
 
You Tampa homers are like discussing things with kids.  "No we are the best team and you are not."  "Ha Ha, (sticks tounge out and spits)"  Seriously, look at your team objectively for once as few of you have in this thread and think before you post next time.
What the hell are you talking about? Do you not think the Bucs have 1 of the best defenses in the NFL right now? Can you at least come half way. I am sure Capella, myself, Barnes will be the first to tell you our offense is sporadic right now vs a terrific type offense like the Eagles have.Is Tampa a Super bowl team? Their offense wasn't that great in '02. Are they a Super Bowl team? No, not right now but if the running game continues to do well and they can become more efficient with their pass attack, good things will happen in the post season.

Get off the Bucs are a crappy 4-0 team...they're not. They're no '72 Dolphins, but they are solid.
They looked solid as a marshmellow today. A 42 YO man with less than a week of practice, and a 32 YO RB on his last legs, managed to get enough done to beat those "solid" Bucs.Thankfully for the Bucs fans, they are inthe NFC, so a playoff berth is all but guarenteed with a .500 record...and they'll probably finish a game above that at 9-7.
Yeah giving up 212 yards is really quite the Marshmellow. :rolleyes: Griese's INT pretty much gave the game to the NY Jets. Unless you think Martins 23-59 yards was the dominate factor.

There is a reason the bucs defense is top 3 in the NFL... But they can't play offense too, or maybe they can and do better.

Please Caddy... get healthy, QUICK!

 
Packers will go 9-7 this year... either outright win the division or come in 2nd place due to a tie.  I have said this all along.  I thought the road would not start out 0-4 but things will turn around.

My comment about Superbowls was in jest and in reference to another thread.

The Packers this year have lost three games by a total of 6 points.  There record may not be good but they are not a bad team and their record overshadows that fact.  Allbeit an important fact.
IF the Pack go 9-7, they will win the division by a runaway.
So, including yesterday, you think the Pack will play .750 ball after an 0-4 start? That's a bold prediction. Considering that no team in that division is far and above another, I can see them going 5-0 against division opponents the rest of the way but I still think it is unlikely. But assuming they can go 5-0 against their division, what 3 non-division games do they win?at Cincinnati

Pittsburgh

at Atlanta

at Philadelphia

at Baltimore

Seattle
Well, the Packers started 1-4 last season as well. They finished 10-6 with the most pathetic defense the team has fielded in 20+ years. Theor defense is much better this season with solid coaching and the cutting away of two cancers in Sharper and Hunt. Assuming they go 5-0 against divisional foes here one out. I could see wins against:

Cincinatti (team looked rather normal the other night)

Baltimore (imploding as we speak)

Seattle (Packers have played them tough)

They could potentially beat any of the teams listed. Not saying they will but they showed this week what kind of performance they are capable of if they play within the game plan. A little confidence can go a long way. 9-7 wins this division and is within reach. Plus the Packers have won the NFC North every year that it's been the north, no reason to stop now.

 
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Anybody want to sig bet me that the Packers finish in the playoffs and the Bucs don't? Capella? Homer-RJ?
Sig bets are for tools...I only bet for real money now, guy. I'm a big boy and all. $100 sound good to you? We can both paypal the money to Aaron Rudnicki, I'll PM him and make sure he's cool with it. I'll even cut him in on some of my winnings, for holding the cash.

We both send him $100, winner gets the $200 back. Good?

 
Anybody want to sig bet me that the Packers finish in the playoffs and the Bucs don't?  Capella? Homer-RJ?
Sig bets are for tools...I only bet for real money now, guy. I'm a big boy and all. $100 sound good to you? We can both paypal the money to Aaron Rudnicki, I'll PM him and make sure he's cool with it. I'll even cut him in on some of my winnings, for holding the cash.

We both send him $100, winner gets the $200 back. Good?
:goodposting: If you're game Sabertooth I'm extending the same offer.

 
HOMER @ RJ it's cool that you disagree.  You just aren't viewing things objectively.  Proof is in the pudding.  We don't we revisit this thread in a month?
I've said many times in the past few weeks that this Bucs team has flaws. I don't trust Griese primarily. But to say they should be 1-3 or 2-2 is pretty absurd. Good teams find ways to win games, on the road (which they've done twice, in hostile places to play) and when they aren't playing well (yesterday). They have a top-3 defense, a very good running game, and an easy schedule. You certainly won't want to be bumping this thread a month from now.
8 days later :yes:
:hophead:
 
Will Simms be good for the Bucs O?
Tough to say. Has a cannon attached to his arm, and while I despise the way Griese has played at times this year, I still think I'd rather have the experience than the youth when you have a contender like this. The positive with Simms is he can stretch the field (Galloway)...the problem from what I understand is, too many dumb mistakes. Not like Griese hasn't done those, though.

 
Will Simms be good for the Bucs O?
Tough to say. Has a cannon attached to his arm, and while I despise the way Griese has played at times this year, I still think I'd rather have the experience than the youth when you have a contender like this. The positive with Simms is he can stretch the field (Galloway)...the problem from what I understand is, too many dumb mistakes. Not like Griese hasn't done those, though.
Was at the game today and Simms made some good plays. But he took some bad sacks that he should have been able to avoid. Griese actually looked good today with his decisions. Hopefully with two weeks practice Simms should be fine for the trip to the west coast. Always an adventure out there for the Bucs save for the SB game...
 
Just came from the game...

IF Simms can learn to look to multiple options, he is absolutely the man. He made throws today that Griese simply cannot make.

Big IF...

5-1

 
Anybody want to sig bet me that the Packers finish in the playoffs and the Bucs don't?  Capella? Homer-RJ?
Sig bets are for tools...I only bet for real money now, guy. I'm a big boy and all. $100 sound good to you? We can both paypal the money to Aaron Rudnicki, I'll PM him and make sure he's cool with it. I'll even cut him in on some of my winnings, for holding the cash.

We both send him $100, winner gets the $200 back. Good?
:tumbleweed:
 
Anybody want to sig bet me that the Packers finish in the playoffs and the Bucs don't?  Capella? Homer-RJ?
Sig bets are for tools...I only bet for real money now, guy. I'm a big boy and all. $100 sound good to you? We can both paypal the money to Aaron Rudnicki, I'll PM him and make sure he's cool with it. I'll even cut him in on some of my winnings, for holding the cash.

We both send him $100, winner gets the $200 back. Good?
Well, let's define this a little bit. I just saw this. What's the bet exactly? And I don't know Aaron Rudnicki. Is he cool with it. You define the exactly bet because there are two variables. 4 things could happen.Packer get in. Bucs get in.

Packer don't. Buc do.

Packers do. Bucs don't.

Packers don't. Bucs don't.

Who wins on each of those variables?

 
I thought it was pretty clear:Packers reach playoffs and Bucs do not, Sabertooth gets the dough.Any other outcome, Capella does.oh, and count me in if this is still open for bettors.

 
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Not really. As a general matter I think Prisco is a NFL schmuck for an "analyst". Who have the Bucs played? Are they even as good as they were a week or two ago when Brian Griese was their QB?

I give them credit for their record, because you certainly have to beat the teams they've played to even claim you're good at all, but #2 overall?

If they get a Wild Card spot - a big "if" with Simms or Rattay at QB - it will only be because the NFC East has beaten itself up with intra-divisional attrition and the Bucs will have managed to outdistance a couple of those teams. A good guage is coming up with a matchup against the 'Skins.

 
I thought it was pretty clear:

Packers reach playoffs and Bucs do not, Sabertooth gets the dough.

Any other outcome, Capella does.

oh, and count me in if this is still open for bettors.
I'd never make that bet. Any is a big word. But if he wants to be realistic, I am game.
 
Not really. As a general matter I think Prisco is a NFL schmuck for an "analyst". Who have the Bucs played? Are they even as good as they were a week or two ago when Brian Griese was their QB?

I give them credit for their record, because you certainly have to beat the teams they've played to even claim you're good at all, but #2 overall?

If they get a Wild Card spot - a big "if" with Simms or Rattay at QB - it will only be because the NFC East has beaten itself up with intra-divisional attrition and the Bucs will have managed to outdistance a couple of those teams. A good guage is coming up with a matchup against the 'Skins.
Good points. I was surprised he had them at number two. But I still think they're a top-ten team. Of course that's debatable and I'm admittedly a homer. I don't think it's any more ridiculous than people acting like the Bucs have had seven bye weeks. Any team that loses their starting QB and starting RB and has even a winning record is doing pretty dam good.
 
I thought it was pretty clear:

Packers reach playoffs and Bucs do not, Sabertooth gets the dough.

Any other outcome, Capella does.

oh, and count me in if this is still open for bettors.
I'd never make that bet. Any is a big word. But if he wants to be realistic, I am game.
Ummm...you said right here
Anybody want to sig bet me that the Packers finish in the playoffs and the Bucs don't?
So you're willing to put up some childish sig bet, but can't put your money where your mouth is? :tumbleweed:

 
From that article:
Which is the best division in the NFL?

Before the season, a case could be made for several of them. Now there's no doubt. It's the NFC East.

1 Indianapolis Colts

2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

3 Philadelphia Eagles

4 Atlanta Falcons

5 Pittsburgh Steelers

6 New York Giants

7 Denver Broncos

8 Jacksonville Jaguars

9 Seattle Seahawks

10 Washington Redskins

11 Cincinnati Bengals

12 Dallas Cowboys
 
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I thought it was pretty clear:

Packers reach playoffs and Bucs do not, Sabertooth gets the dough.

Any other outcome, Capella does.

oh, and count me in if this is still open for bettors.
I'd never make that bet. Any is a big word. But if he wants to be realistic, I am game.
Ummm...you said right here
Anybody want to sig bet me that the Packers finish in the playoffs and the Bucs don't?
So you're willing to put up some childish sig bet, but can't put your money where your mouth is? :tumbleweed:
Correct.
 

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