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The Redskin Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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nittanylion
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At least that's my opinion - I think Bryant has more long-term potential, and is a better size/speed combination than Lloyd, as a complement to Moss. Both have some character questions that need to be answered......that being said, I'd rather have Jurevicius over either, but Portis has shown some decent hands, and along with the height of Cooley, Sellers (if he can control his emotions during a game) and Royal (if he does overtime with the JUGS machine this offseason), give us some reliable short to intermediate, as well as red-zone options with size, that would benefit from having a competent WR no matter his size/speed, playing opposite Moss. I think plenty of people would be surprised at just how much that offense would open up and generate yardage/TD's if they had one more player who was even a remote threat to catch the ball on the field with Portis, SMoss and Cooley. I don't think Patten is that guy, and Thrash and Jacobs proved they weren't either late last year. Too bad about Thrash though, as you won't find anyone on the team with more heart, and who really 'gets' what it means to be part of the Redskins culture as espoused by Gibbs. I hope they bring him back to play special teams, and maybe get some reps at #3 WR. He's going to come cheap, and he's going to be worth far more than he's paid for what he will contribute to the locker room, and the example he sets by his efforts both in practice and on game days.
I was not aware of character issues with Brandon Lloyd. Antonio Bryant's known character issues are probaby enough to make him undesirable to Gibbs.Isaac Bruce has resigned with the Rams, ruining my prediction.Fixed
...that being said, I'd rather have Jurevicius over either, but Portis has shown some decent hands, and along with the height of Cooley, Sellers (if he can control his emotions during a game) and Royal (if he does overtime with the JUGS machine this offseason), give us some reliable short to intermediate, as well as red-zone options with size, that would benefit from having a competent WR no matter his size/speed, playing opposite Moss. I think plenty of people would be surprised at just how much that offense would open up and generate yardage/TD's if they had one more player who was even a remote threat to catch the ball on the field with Portis, SMoss and Cooley. I don't think Patten is that guy, and Thrash and Jacobs proved they weren't either late last year. Too bad about Thrash though, as you won't find anyone on the team with more heart, and who really 'gets' what it means to be part of the Redskins culture as espoused by Gibbs. I hope they bring him back to play special teams, and maybe get some reps at #3 WR. He's going to come cheap, and he's going to be worth far more than he's paid for what he will contribute to the locker room, and the example he sets by his efforts both in practice and on game days.
redman
Footballguy
I agree with Marvelous's response regarding Bryant. I also agree that Jurevicious may well be the best addition they can make, certainly over the next two seasons or so. As for the effect of a good 2nd WR, I totally agree. This receiving corps consisted of 1 WR1 and 4 or 5 WR3's or WR4's. Even with a guy like Cooley, you just aren't going to be able to throw deep all the time to Moss, which is what we saw late in the year. I like Patten and Thrash as role players, but nothing more.Fixed
...that being said, I'd rather have Jurevicius over either, but Portis has shown some decent hands, and along with the height of Cooley, Sellers (if he can control his emotions during a game) and Royal (if he does overtime with the JUGS machine this offseason), give us some reliable short to intermediate, as well as red-zone options with size, that would benefit from having a competent WR no matter his size/speed, playing opposite Moss. I think plenty of people would be surprised at just how much that offense would open up and generate yardage/TD's if they had one more player who was even a remote threat to catch the ball on the field with Portis, SMoss and Cooley. I don't think Patten is that guy, and Thrash and Jacobs proved they weren't either late last year. Too bad about Thrash though, as you won't find anyone on the team with more heart, and who really 'gets' what it means to be part of the Redskins culture as espoused by Gibbs. I hope they bring him back to play special teams, and maybe get some reps at #3 WR. He's going to come cheap, and he's going to be worth far more than he's paid for what he will contribute to the locker room, and the example he sets by his efforts both in practice and on game days.
ExaltedOne
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How does giving up a 1st round pick for Lloyd make him cheap? They will also have to give him a contract which would probably be comparable to a guy like Eric Moulds at this point in his career.
Personally, I think Bryant or Moulds would be a good fit.
Personally, I think Bryant or Moulds would be a good fit.
fatness
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fatness
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SFGate.com article
Several players are rumored to be showing up at Redskin Park at 11 am today.ESPN Link
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GroveDiesel
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How in the world are the Redskins able to bring in all of those big name guys? 
Before the cuts last night the Redskins were reportedly $4.9M over the cap. How much did those cuts actually save them?
It's just amazing, as a Bills fan, to see the Redskins bringing in all of these big name guys as if they are a huge player in free agency. How can they possibly afford to do that?
Before the cuts last night the Redskins were reportedly $4.9M over the cap. How much did those cuts actually save them?It's just amazing, as a Bills fan, to see the Redskins bringing in all of these big name guys as if they are a huge player in free agency. How can they possibly afford to do that?
redman
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It's magic.How in the world are the Redskins able to bring in all of those big name guys?
It's just amazing, as a Bills fan, to see the Redskins bringing in all of these big name guys as if they are a huge player in free agency. How can they possibly afford to do that?
fatness
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Most of the reports on the Redskins cap situation are wrong, quite simply. They've been negotiating and signing contracts for 2 years now that have different bonus types that can be converted to other bonus types to ease the cap hits, with the permission of the players signing those contracts. The "team effort" approach Gibbs preaches is real, the players have bought into it and want to stay together, so they give their permission for the bonus changes. This frees up cap space, which allows the Redskins each year to go after select players they feel they need to improve. They also are not afraid to trade or cut non-producing players, which frees up money.Again, most of the media reports have been grossly wrong. They only reported the amount that the Redskins were over the cap "at that moment", but were clueless about the amount of bonus money built into existing contracts that players would be willing to shift around to free up cap money. Adam Schefter, in particular, has been consistently and repeatedly wrong about the Skins cap situation.How in the world are the Redskins able to bring in all of those big name guys?
It's just amazing, as a Bills fan, to see the Redskins bringing in all of these big name guys as if they are a huge player in free agency. How can they possibly afford to do that?
Had there been no new CBA and the cap stayed at $94.5 million, I doubt you would have seen more than 2-3 more cuts than the 5 they have already cut. They plan for this in advance, understand the cap and how to manage it, have players who are loyal, and are not afraid to make moves. Fortunately over time their evaluation of personnel has gotten better.
When they sign a couple players, how about we start a "Redskins are in cap hell" thread?
harrycarey
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Moss, Lloyd, Randel-el, Cooley, Patten.. Not bad
fatness
Footballguy
On a Redskin messageboard there's a poster who either works in the Redskins front office or is in direct contact with someone who does. He's the guy who broke the news of the Santana Moss deal last year.
Today he says Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta, Todd Collins and Antwaan Randle El all arrived at Redskin Park late this afternoon and that Brandon Lloyd will be there tomorrow.
"lloyd's as good as done. carter, randel-el and collins very very close. archuletta wants to be "loved""
Today he says Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta, Todd Collins and Antwaan Randle El all arrived at Redskin Park late this afternoon and that Brandon Lloyd will be there tomorrow.
"lloyd's as good as done. carter, randel-el and collins very very close. archuletta wants to be "loved""
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this guy a quality blocking TE? I don't know anything about him.
fatness
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buster c
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I disagree, ExaltedOneAA, with his bad back and shaky coverage skills, is one I hope catches a return flight
Does that mean we will let Ryan Clark walk? Archuleta would be a huge upgrade and imagine him and Taylor back there I don't think any receiver would want to go over the middle.
fatness
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The Wizards beat the Pistons today. At the game, in Dan Snyder's box or next to the Wizards' bench, were most of the coaching staff, Vinnie Cerrato, Chris Cooley, Adam Archuleta, Jason Campbell, Antwaan Randle El and Andre Carter. Later some limousines took them all to dinner.
Some of that's from message board posts from staff at the Wizard's game, the rest is from an article tonight in the Washington Post.
Some of that's from message board posts from staff at the Wizard's game, the rest is from an article tonight in the Washington Post.
am I the only Redskins fan shocked that Robery Royal got a deal like that. It's not huge by any means, but he was horribly inconsistent in his career with the Skins. Good for him though. A low draft pick getting some money, always a nice story.
I like the Lloyd pickup, especially the price. The Skins are getting players heading towards the upside of their careers versus what they did before signing old guys.
I'm still reading the Skins are trying to get ARE, even despite getting Lloyd. I think that would be a mistake if the going rate for ARE is what sources are saying it is. The Skins could use that money for a DE (Carter, Darren Howard). Oh well, trust Gibbs time.
I like the Lloyd pickup, especially the price. The Skins are getting players heading towards the upside of their careers versus what they did before signing old guys.
I'm still reading the Skins are trying to get ARE, even despite getting Lloyd. I think that would be a mistake if the going rate for ARE is what sources are saying it is. The Skins could use that money for a DE (Carter, Darren Howard). Oh well, trust Gibbs time.
scoobygang
Footballguy
My only worry is that the Skins are spending so much focusing on glamor positions that they're neglecting the one area that almost always results in the difference in 2 games or so a year. I'd rather have had either of the two receivers and a reliable kicker or even a punter.
I suppose Randle-El's return skills are attractive (particularly after the adventure that was Antonio Brown), but I think punt returns are a more of a reflection on the entire special teams unit than on one guy.
I suppose Randle-El's return skills are attractive (particularly after the adventure that was Antonio Brown), but I think punt returns are a more of a reflection on the entire special teams unit than on one guy.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Randle El has been signed. Fauria is close to signing. Carter has left Washington and has not signed, though he may.
Washington Post article
Washington Post article
Sebowski
Footballguy
Thrash isn't going anywhere. Antwan can't take his spot on coverage special teams. I think Jacobs and Brown are gone, leaving:Moss
Lloyd
El
Patten
Thrash
Great thread BTW. Too bad I just found it.
If Fauria doesn't work out I'd like to see them bring in Chris Baker.
Or how about trading up to get Vernon Davis? Who needs future draft picks?
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Redskins | Lloyd will get a new contract
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:37:49 -0800
The Washington Post reports the Washington Redskins will give WR Brandon Lloyd a new contract. According to several league sources, the new contract will reach up to $10 million in guaranteed money and could average close to $5.5 million per season.
I can't figure out how Washington can afford these players.
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:37:49 -0800
The Washington Post reports the Washington Redskins will give WR Brandon Lloyd a new contract. According to several league sources, the new contract will reach up to $10 million in guaranteed money and could average close to $5.5 million per season.
I can't figure out how Washington can afford these players.
at $5.5 million per season with $10 million guaranteed to Brandon Lloyd.Redskins don't need no stinking cap
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Redskins what a joke!
what a joke!Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Wow. I figured Lloyd would of been one and done in Washington with the $$ they just gave ARE.what a deal averages is one of the biggest misconceptions in the NFL. NFL deals are always back loaded, thus making the "average" per year look a lot higher then what the player will likely see. People see a 5 year 30 million dollar deal and they automatically think the player is getting 6 million per year and it's never like that in the NFL. The key is bonuses and the Skins use that to their advantage to get around the cap. Bonus can be prorated, annual salary cannot.
That being said, as a Redskins fan, I didn't want ARE at that price. Overkill if you ask me, but I've learned that I know far less about football then the coaches do. In Gibbs I trust!
That being said, as a Redskins fan, I didn't want ARE at that price. Overkill if you ask me, but I've learned that I know far less about football then the coaches do. In Gibbs I trust!
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$10 million guaranteed and an average of $5.5 million for Brandon Lloyd likely means a contract like 5 years $27 million. With $10 million guaranteed up front and a backloaded contract, he'd still have a cap figure of $3 million or so in 2006. Then, if things don't work out and they want to release him after a couple years, they get hit with a $6 million cap hit. Giving out huge bonuses and prorating it works great until you start giving them to the wrong people. Will be interesting to see if Lloyd (if he gets this rumored contract) and Randle El are worth the money.
fatness
Footballguy
That's true. What hurt them in the past was poor personnel decisions made by Dan Snyder. He doesn't make those decisions any more, Joe Gibbs does. Snyder just finds ways to pay them. Santana Moss looked like he was screamingly overpaid last year when he signed, but he doesn't now. It'll be interesting to see how Lloyd and Randle El look in a year or two.
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