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Culpepper to Miami (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Chumley
Footballguy
Last year with Linehan the dolphins ran an offense similar to the Vikes. Anyone know what kind of offense they will have this year with the new O coordinator?
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Are you sure about this? Linehan came to the Vikings as a former college offensive coordinator and Tice & Company told him, "Here is Denny Green's playbook, make as few changes as possible."I suspect Linehan went to Miami and did one of two things; create his own offensive playbook or was given an offensive playbook from Saban. I highly doubt Linehan went to Miami and said, "I stumbled about Denny Green's playbook in Minnesota, lets install it here too."
TheRegulator
Footballguy
I still cringe at a full season of Johnson, though....
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1. Anyone that thinks giving up a 2nd rounder for CPepp is too much is whacked. How many 2nd rounders flounder in the NFL...how many draft picks period. This is a terrific move for the Dolphins. His knee will heal well enough so he can move around the pocket...Saban will advise this guy not to take off and I think you will see a guy that returns much like Trent Green did.
2. As much as I like Brees and his decision making, I am a bit worried about his throwing arm and I would not want to invest $10 million a year into a guy that COULD and I stress could be in a Pennington type situation. I actually like Brees a lot and I hope if he does play in NO that he succeeds there...he is one of the good guys in the league and helped turn around a terrible franchise in San Diego.
3. Miami went 9-7 without much on offense last season. Now they have a franchise back who is not wet behind the ears...they have signed a LT that may justbe average but that's better than what they had. Carey at RT will progress along. The interior of the OL need some upgrading and they still may sign someone at Center to shore things up...maybe draft a Guard and they are in good shape there. Chambers will maintain a high level. McMichael if he can stop committing domestic violence issues may still have some tricks we have not seen yet so I expect even bigger things from him. CPepp likes to toss the ball to the TE and Wiggins is a far cry from RM.
Now if they can shore up some holes on defense...Arrington would be an awful sweet signing but I would think they would have him already. Also CPepp coming to Miami is going to make them look more like a contender and I think you will see some of these FA wanting to play for Miami.
Great day in Miami if this deal goes thru.
2. As much as I like Brees and his decision making, I am a bit worried about his throwing arm and I would not want to invest $10 million a year into a guy that COULD and I stress could be in a Pennington type situation. I actually like Brees a lot and I hope if he does play in NO that he succeeds there...he is one of the good guys in the league and helped turn around a terrible franchise in San Diego.
3. Miami went 9-7 without much on offense last season. Now they have a franchise back who is not wet behind the ears...they have signed a LT that may justbe average but that's better than what they had. Carey at RT will progress along. The interior of the OL need some upgrading and they still may sign someone at Center to shore things up...maybe draft a Guard and they are in good shape there. Chambers will maintain a high level. McMichael if he can stop committing domestic violence issues may still have some tricks we have not seen yet so I expect even bigger things from him. CPepp likes to toss the ball to the TE and Wiggins is a far cry from RM.
Now if they can shore up some holes on defense...Arrington would be an awful sweet signing but I would think they would have him already. Also CPepp coming to Miami is going to make them look more like a contender and I think you will see some of these FA wanting to play for Miami.
Great day in Miami if this deal goes thru.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
Considering the comparison with TO to this and all I can say is at least the Vikings got something in return. As much as I liked Dante his behavior over the last 15 or so months has been very poor. I think he's turned into a selfish TO-like player who needs to mature. I just wished we would have gotten more in return (like the Bulger & #4 for Dante)...oh well. I'd love to see the Vikings now trade up in the first round and get Cutler now!
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BlueOnion
Footballguy
As much as I want to 'claim victory' (as a Viking fan), this is solid logic for Dolphin fans. A 2nd rounder is not all that much to give up for Culpepper. As a Viking fan, I am just glad we got something instead of nothing.Here is how I see it:
Culpepper > 2nd rounder > nothing
shake zula
Footballguy
I like that train of thought
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
With a reasonable 1st rounder and two mid 2nds, they could make a play to get into the top 10 and grab one of Leinart or Cutler. I love Young, but Minnesota just doesn't seem like a good fit.Makes sense to have one of those guys play behind Johnson for a year, or if Brad falters, take over for him.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Agree. Miami hasn't done much with their picks the last several seasons anyways. JJ could at least draft...not sure what Wanny did. Saban's picks will be solid but its going to take time. Ronnie Brown has got to play bigger this year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
BTW: just out of curiosity...Carter, Moss, Robert Smith...all are long gone...what's left for weapons on the Vikings...cause they sure don't spark any fear if I was a defensive coordinator.
Makes sense to have one of those guys play behind Johnson for a year, or if Brad falters, take over for him.
Hold the PHONE !!!
The Dolphins trade a 2007 2nd rd draft pick for Cpepp.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=72053
MINNEAPOLIS -- The Minnesota Vikings traded disgruntled quarterback Daunte Culpepper to the Miami Dolphins on Tuesday.
Vikings spokesman Tom West confirmed the deal, but did not give specifics. Several media reports say Minnesota received a 2007 second-round pick in return.
The deal gives Culpepper the out he wanted from Minnesota, where he made the Pro Bowl three times in seven seasons. But his relationship with the organization had deteriorated swiftly in recent weeks, as Culpepper apparently felt unwanted.
Culpepper is coming off a subpar season before it ended Oct. 30, when he tore three ligaments in his knee during a game against Carolina.
The Dolphins trade a 2007 2nd rd draft pick for Cpepp.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=72053
MINNEAPOLIS -- The Minnesota Vikings traded disgruntled quarterback Daunte Culpepper to the Miami Dolphins on Tuesday.
Vikings spokesman Tom West confirmed the deal, but did not give specifics. Several media reports say Minnesota received a 2007 second-round pick in return.
The deal gives Culpepper the out he wanted from Minnesota, where he made the Pro Bowl three times in seven seasons. But his relationship with the organization had deteriorated swiftly in recent weeks, as Culpepper apparently felt unwanted.
Culpepper is coming off a subpar season before it ended Oct. 30, when he tore three ligaments in his knee during a game against Carolina.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
The offense is missing it's architect too in Denny Green. The offense of 1998 has now been completely purged from the current Vikings. We do have some moderately effective offensive players, but the team is more balanced in year's past - see Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, the 3 young defensive ends, Antoine Winfield, Fred Smoot, Darren Sharper and our 1/2 a linebacker that requires 4 roster spots.Offensively we got some solid wide receivers (K-Rob, Burleson, Taylor, Williamson), Wiggins puts up pro-bowl numbers for a tight end and we just Chester Taylor. Certainly not as explosive as year's past.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Culpepper salaries:
2006- $2,000,000
2007- $5,500,000
2008- $6,000,000
2009- $6,000,000
2010- $7,000,000
2011- $8,000,000
2012- $9,000,000
2013- $10,000,000
Cheaper than what Brees is asking for
2006- $2,000,000
2007- $5,500,000
2008- $6,000,000
2009- $6,000,000
2010- $7,000,000
2011- $8,000,000
2012- $9,000,000
2013- $10,000,000
Cheaper than what Brees is asking for
Assuming the pick the Dolphins have traded is this year's second rounder (51st overall), here are the last ten guys drafted at #51 overall:2005 - Nick Collins, Packers, DB
2004 - Dwan Edwards, Ravens, DT
2003 - Terry Pierce, Broncos, LB
2002 - Clinton Portis, Broncos, RB
2001 - Paul Toviessi, Broncos, DE
2000 - Cosey Coleman, Buccaneers, G
1999 - Johnny Rutledge, Cardinals, LB
1998 - Kailee Wong, Vikings, DE
1997 - Greg Jones, Redskins, LB
1996 - Dedric Mathis, Colts, DB
IMHO, chances are greater at success with Daunte than with the draft's 51st pick.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I hope you're right. The Minneapolis Star Tribune, ESPN.com, and CNNSI.com are all reporting that it's a 2007.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He's a steal...and they will know within the 1st year or 2 if they want to committ and restructure the salary to pay him more...he will have incentives to play hard as he will want a new contract in a couple of seasons...CPepp played college ball at UCF...the heat shouldn't bother him...this looks like a good marriage.
A healthy Culpepper>2nd round pick
A non-scrambling Culpepper who is unlikely to be ready until midseason and is owed a $6 million bonus this year and has off-the-field issues and questions about his leadership is roughly = 2nd round pick who will get $1.5 million in salary.
A non-scrambling Culpepper who is unlikely to be ready until midseason and is owed a $6 million bonus this year and has off-the-field issues and questions about his leadership is roughly = 2nd round pick who will get $1.5 million in salary.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That high pitched scream you just heard that sounded like someone hit the lottery was Chirs Chambers.
Chambers flys down the sidelines...Culpepper throws it to him in stride...TD MIAMI!
I don't think teams will be able to play 7 or 8 in the box all the time to stop Ronnie Brown so he might also expect some incresed production. 1,300+ yds on the ground for him...probably.
Chambers flys down the sidelines...Culpepper throws it to him in stride...TD MIAMI!
I don't think teams will be able to play 7 or 8 in the box all the time to stop Ronnie Brown so he might also expect some incresed production. 1,300+ yds on the ground for him...probably.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
And now the Dolphins select Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes as a compliment to Chambers and McMichael and watch out.
Mr. Chumley
Footballguy
It would make sense. The dolphins didn't want to trade a later pick for Ramsey because they already are with out a mid round pick. When I saw a 2nd round pick I wondered why they were so quick to give up a 2nd round this year. The dolphins typically hem haw over draft picks and I would have expected a lot more negotiating with this years 2nd.
jestertj
Footballguy
I'd still rather have Schaub over any of the QBs available in this draft.Hawk could help immediately!
Makes sense to have one of those guys play behind Johnson for a year, or if Brad falters, take over for him.
nygiants56
Footballguy
should help increase the stock value of both Chambers and Ron Brown..
Pied Piper
Footballguy
So is it a confirmed 2007 2nd rounder?
If so then
If so then
Mr. Chumley
Footballguy
As a life long dolphins fan this gives me hope.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Justice should be gone by the time it gets to Miami.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
This coming from a guy who had Culpy ranked 4th and Brees ranked around 15th in his rankings of QB's FOR FANTASY. While fantasy is different than reality, it isn't that much different. My take is that you and many are taking half a season of poor play and judging the future on that rather than looking at the career. The truth is that Culpy was awful the 1st two games of the year, but after that had 6 TD's and 4 picks (not awful). Further, while Moss can make a QB look good, having Gates and LT is much friendlier to a QB than Moss...and I don't see any argument
schooner44
Footballguy
As a Bills fan, thias makes me very happy--I don't think CPep is half the QB most think he is.
psychobillies
Footballguy
I understand your logic and you may well be right, but I have to think that Nick Saban, Randy Mueller and Mickey Loomis as well as several other GM's all disagree with you.Culpepper was plan B for Miami.
Dave Baker
Damn glad to meet you
I think this actually resurrects Marty Booker's career too. He'll only be 30 years old and he isn't that far removed from catching 95+ passes in back to back seasons.I doubt it's a big impact, but Booker has talent and the experience necessary to allow them to bring along a Jackson or Holmes a little slowly.
Funkley
Collar: Up
Agreed, it's too bad. Certainly more fun to have it sooner than later but it's time to throw some cold water on this. He was available this cheap for a reason. And there's a reason ONLY the Dolphins wanted to match the price.Considering Culpepper's first full healthy year will be 2007, it makes sense the Dolphins argued for the 2007 2nd round pick.Lots of cart before the horse going on in here. Culpepper is doubtful to even play much in 2006.Chambers
finishes a top 5 WR in 06.
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