I know he got cut from the CFL. However, it was made clear that he was by far the best quarterback in Montreal. Alouettes management said the decision was based strictly on on-field performance, so apparently there was no drugs involved. My guess, and that's all it is, is that Quincy was cut because of the organization's loyalty to the returning starting quarterback.he got CUT from the CFL.
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People have thrown insults at me throughout this entire thread, however this has to be the most ignorant post made. First of all, you are incredibly naive if you think Jerry Jones calls the shots over Parcells in Dallas. If you have ever followed the Cowboys at all, you would know that before the 2003-2004 season, there was an open competition at quarterback. Jerry Jones made it clear that he thought Chad Hutchinson was the better quarterback, however Quincy ended up winning the starting job because Bill Parcells thought he was the better quarterback. There were many chances that offseason for Parcells to sign a quarterback (most notably Jake Plummer), however Parcells wanted to go through the season with Quincy. It was a good decision if you consider the fact that Quincy ended up leading his team to a 10 win season and into the playoffs after 3 dismal 5-11 years.
dpeease
Footballguy
Why is this thread not dead? I have to commend quincycarter17 on keeping this thread alive for as long as he has.
Now back on topic.
1. Q Carter cant read defenses.
2. His accuracy is suspect at best
3. He plays with absolutely no confidence.
4. He is not currently competing for a back up job in the NFL.
Die Thread Die.
Now back on topic.
1. Q Carter cant read defenses.
2. His accuracy is suspect at best
3. He plays with absolutely no confidence.
4. He is not currently competing for a back up job in the NFL.
Die Thread Die.
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
Big Score
Footballguy
Actually we don't know what drug it was, that Carter tested positive for. The rumors were that the drug was cocaine, but Carter denies it.The NFL simply says that a player has failed a drug test, but does not divulge what the specific drug was that the player tested positive for.What cocaine? The cocaine deal was a rumor. He tested positive for marijuana, which, although this is no excuse for him, is a drug that is not nearly on the same level as cocaine.What about the cocaine? And now that you've gotten the question across to us, the answer is NO!
We do know that, among other reasons, the Cowboys let him go after a failed drug test.
We also know that he failed a drug test with the Jets, when they were in the play-offs.
I think Carter was up for an automatic one year suspension after the failed test with the Jets, but he filed for retirement instead.
For Carter to get back in the NFL, he would first have to un-retire, then serve his one year suspension and then apply for reinstatement.
Tags would still have to grant the reinstatement.
The long and short of it is, I don't think Carter can get back into the NFL until at least 2007, even if there were some team that wanted him.
This might be the only one of 50+ posts in this thread that makes its argument by using more than just an insult to me as a person or just making a joke about Quincy that doesn't prove why he doesn't belong in the NFL.If you go by statistics alone, Peyton Manning would obviously be the best quarterback to make a Super Bowl run with. If you go by statistics alone, Alex Rodriguez would be the guy you want to depend on to make a clutch hit if your Joe Torre. This is why I want to look a little closer at these 3 games.Even though this is the biggestever...
In the 3 games Carter started for the Jets in 2004, he was:13/22 175 0/0
11/20 116 1/1
8/12 133 1/0
They scored 40 points in those 3 games. They did win 2 of them, but that was because their defense played well (allowing a combined 10 points in those 2 wins) against bad teams (Cle and Arz).
How exactly did Carter play incredible in those games again?
Lets start off when Pennington first went down ( http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241107002 ), and Carter had to come in at Buffalo in a hopeless situation, and brought the Jets back in the game. The 51 yard touchdown to Santana Moss was on the first play he came in, and it was a deep throw on the run on a play that most quarterbacks would have gotten sacked.
vs. Baltimore in his first start: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241114020
They didn't lose this game because of Carter, they lost because Hackett was an idiot and called a halfback pass in the red zone that got picked off.
"despite how well QB Quincy Carter played"
"Quincy Carter, making his first start in place of the injured Chad Pennington, looked sharp, having completed all seven of his passes to that point."
vs. Cleveland: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241121005
The stats don't look that great, but the offensive line was dreadful and they only threw 20 times.
"Sacked six times and under pressure all afternoon, Carter completed a crucial third-and-11 pass to McCareins, who stretched out to pick up the first down at Cleveland's 24. After a 13-yard pass to Santana Moss, Carter again hit McCareins, who stepped out of cornerback Michael Lehan's tackle and scored."
"Carter...then had three straight completions to cap a scoring drive that kept New York in the thick of the AFC playoff race."
That last quote sounds to me like Carter had some incredible plays that kept in the Jets in the playoffs, which is exactly what I said in my original post. Also, if you read Eric Allen's box to the left, it looks like he has the same opinion of Carter as I have. Did Quincy wake up one day and start sucking at football? I doubt it.
vs. Arizona: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241128022
In this game, Carter was hurt, yet he still completed 67% of his passes and made some big time plays that kept his team in the playoffs.
"Quincy Carter came back from a head injury to deliver the knockout blow against Arizona.
Carter left after the third play of the game, but returned to throw a 69-yard touchdown pass to Santana Moss.
'This is a tough league, man, and you're going to take some bites and you're going to take some hits," Carter said. "It's how you get back up and respond. All I know is I wanted to play football today no matter what happened.'"
That is the last game Quincy has played in, and it sounds like he is a pretty good football player to me.
If Steve McNair had any resemblance of his former self, I wouldn't have made this thread. However, like I said early, McNair is now just a dinosaur who struggles to pass a simple physical. Quincy is the better player RIGHT NOW.
Although some of the information in this post is false, I really appreciate the manner in which you replied (not having the post consist only of emoticons, not insulting me or Quincy Carter as a person, and not just plain saying "cuz quincy carter suks"). You actually tried to make a logical point.Quincy called into a local radio station in Dallas last fall, and although he didn't directly say anything, two things that I could easily infer were that he tested positive for marijuana and that he suffers from bi-polar disorder.Actually we don't know what drug it was, that Carter tested positive for. The rumors were that the drug was cocaine, but Carter denies it.
The NFL simply says that a player has failed a drug test, but does not divulge what the specific drug was that the player tested positive for.
We do know that, among other reasons, the Cowboys let him go after a failed drug test.
We also know that he failed a drug test with the Jets, when they were in the play-offs.
I think Carter was up for an automatic one year suspension after the failed test with the Jets, but he filed for retirement instead.
For Carter to get back in the NFL, he would first have to un-retire, then serve his one year suspension and then apply for reinstatement.
Tags would still have to grant the reinstatement.
The long and short of it is, I don't think Carter can get back into the NFL until at least 2007, even if there were some team that wanted him.
He is suspended for 4 games if he evers signs with an NFL team again, not a full year. He has never filed for retirement.
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Big Score
Footballguy
FYI,Carter officially filed his NFL retirement papers September 2005.Although some of the information in this post is false, I really appreciate the manner in which you replied (not having the post consist only of emoticons, not insulting me or Quincy Carter as a person, and not just plain saying "cuz quincy carter suks"). You actually tried to make a logical point.Quincy called into a local radio station in Dallas last fall, and although he didn't directly say anything, two things that I could easily infer were that he tested positive for marijuana and that he suffers from bi-polar disorder.Actually we don't know what drug it was, that Carter tested positive for. The rumors were that the drug was cocaine, but Carter denies it.
The NFL simply says that a player has failed a drug test, but does not divulge what the specific drug was that the player tested positive for.
We do know that, among other reasons, the Cowboys let him go after a failed drug test.
We also know that he failed a drug test with the Jets, when they were in the play-offs.
I think Carter was up for an automatic one year suspension after the failed test with the Jets, but he filed for retirement instead.
For Carter to get back in the NFL, he would first have to un-retire, then serve his one year suspension and then apply for reinstatement.
Tags would still have to grant the reinstatement.
The long and short of it is, I don't think Carter can get back into the NFL until at least 2007, even if there were some team that wanted him.
He is suspended for 4 games if he evers signs with an NFL team again, not a full year. He has never filed for retirement.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Carter's positive test with the Jets in the play offs, was his 3rd positive test. That results in an automatic one year suspension according to the CBA.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Samuel L. Jackson did a fine job portraying Carter as the coach who finally got the team to believe that basketball isn't the most important thing in life.
But he still can't play quarterback.
But he still can't play quarterback.
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AhrnCityPahnder
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aussiehockeyfan
Footballguy
This thread sure survived much longer than I expected.
"I have no relation to Quincy Carter, as a matter of fact I am white. "
"No relation to Quincy"...That's because it really is Quincy himself.
Dammit, Quincy, how many times do I have to tell you this? Just because you have cocaine all over your face, that doesn't mean your white!
"No relation to Quincy"...That's because it really is Quincy himself.
Dammit, Quincy, how many times do I have to tell you this? Just because you have cocaine all over your face, that doesn't mean your white!
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Big Score
Footballguy
FYI,Failing a drug test in Stage 3 of the NFL Policy & Program For Substances of Abuse results in a ban of not less than one year.
I'm pretty sure Carter was in Stage 3 after his failed test with the Cowboys, as he was already in the program prior to that failed test.
www.nflpa.org
However, I don't know if Carter ever actually failed a drug test while with the Jets.
He left the team during the playoffs (thank you for your correction) voluntarily, to be with his sick mother. Shortly thereafter, he checked himself into a treatment facility for his drug addiction & bipolar disorder.
Carter had previously sought treatment for his drug addiction in the Boston area in 2003 & in the summer of 2004 at John Lucas Treatment Center in Houston.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
what a joke.
two pages of posts because 1 delusional quincy carter groupie/lover/stalker is relatively creative at explaining why carter has sucked so much throughout his career.
"oh THIS game he only threw 20 times"
"oh THAT game the whole offense sucked"
Carter's career has been characterized of mostly sucking, with brief moments of mediocrity interrupted only by drug test failures. not only is he not an NFL quality quarterback, he's not an NFL quality backup quarterback.
even if you take out him sucking and him obviously having a drug problem, and you want to fantasize for just a moment about Carter being an "unknown quantity", he STILL wouldn't be BETTER than Steve McNair.
you'll probably post back calling me immature for calling you delusional or something like, and you're right, i think you're a total loser, but that would not stop me from taking a serious look at some kind of legit empirical evidence that somehow proved the claim that Carter > McNair.
two pages of posts because 1 delusional quincy carter groupie/lover/stalker is relatively creative at explaining why carter has sucked so much throughout his career.
"oh THIS game he only threw 20 times"
"oh THAT game the whole offense sucked"
Carter's career has been characterized of mostly sucking, with brief moments of mediocrity interrupted only by drug test failures. not only is he not an NFL quality quarterback, he's not an NFL quality backup quarterback.
even if you take out him sucking and him obviously having a drug problem, and you want to fantasize for just a moment about Carter being an "unknown quantity", he STILL wouldn't be BETTER than Steve McNair.
you'll probably post back calling me immature for calling you delusional or something like, and you're right, i think you're a total loser, but that would not stop me from taking a serious look at some kind of legit empirical evidence that somehow proved the claim that Carter > McNair.
Delusions Of Adequacy
Footballguy
I used to like the band Was[not Was]. Do you remember them?IIRC, the drug test that got QC released from the cowboys was admininstered by the team, not the NFL. The cowboys never said why they were releasing QC and never admitted that he failed a drug test. That would mean it wouldn't be a 2nd strike in the NFL program.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Sorry to keep this thread alive, but
Big Score
Footballguy
Contrary to some early reports, the drug test was not administered by the Cowboys. That is a clear violation of the CBA and the Cowboys player union reps would have had Upshaw & the NFLPA all over Jerry Jones if the Cowboys were trying administer private drug tests.
LinkThe Cowboys were very careful to list multiple reasons for Carter's release. To have said the failed drug test was the sole reason for Carter's release would have been wrongful termination according to the CBA. Even though the Cowboys were extremely careful in how they worded Carter's release, Carter still filed a grievance alleging that he was terminated by the Cowboys due to his failed drug test..
Carter himself has also publicly acknowledged he failed the drug test.
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I'll be polite and simply address the football aspects of your thread:Is it your contention that Quincy Carter is better than Steve McNair? Again, in all caps: IS IT YOUR CONTENTION THAT QUINCY CARTER IS BETTER THAN STEVE MCNAIR? Are you serious? On a good day, Quincy Carter isn't in the same universe as Steve McNair. A broken down Steve McNair at the age of 60 will be better than Quincy Carter in 2006. Quincy Carter doesn't have a third string job in the NFL. But he's better than McNair?
I have to stop now. I just had a stroke.
Cappy_Digital
Footballguy
This is the best quote of the entire thread. He was CLEARLY the best QB on the roster, yet he was cut "based strictly on on-field performance." I know those Canadians are a little off, but they cut the best QB because his on the field performance was so good???
joffer
Footballguy
true, and it needs to be deleted immediatelyThis might be the only one of 50+ posts in this thread that makes its argument by using more than just an insult to me as a person or just making a joke about Quincy that doesn't prove why he doesn't belong in the NFL.Even though this is the biggest
In the 3 games Carter started for the Jets in 2004, he was:13/22 175 0/0
11/20 116 1/1
8/12 133 1/0
They scored 40 points in those 3 games. They did win 2 of them, but that was because their defense played well (allowing a combined 10 points in those 2 wins) against bad teams (Cle and Arz).
How exactly did Carter play incredible in those games again?
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
That's about the lamest thing I've ever heard! He's the best QB in Montreal, he wasn't using drugs (allegedly), but the team cut him anyway.I know he got cut from the CFL. However, it was made clear that he was by far the best quarterback in Montreal. Alouettes management said the decision was based strictly on on-field performance, so apparently there was no drugs involved. My guess, and that's all it is, is that Quincy was cut because of the organization's loyalty to the returning starting quarterback.he got CUT from the CFL.
SpecOpLoad
Footballguy
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
true, and it needs to be deleted immediatelyThis might be the only one of 50+ posts in this thread that makes its argument by using more than just an insult to me as a person or just making a joke about Quincy that doesn't prove why he doesn't belong in the NFL.Even though this is the biggest
In the 3 games Carter started for the Jets in 2004, he was:13/22 175 0/0
11/20 116 1/1
8/12 133 1/0
They scored 40 points in those 3 games. They did win 2 of them, but that was because their defense played well (allowing a combined 10 points in those 2 wins) against bad teams (Cle and Arz).
How exactly did Carter play incredible in those games again?
McNair has NOTHING left. Absolutely NOTHING. Its in the middle of the offseason, yet he STRUGGLED to pass a simple physical. McNair will be done for the season by the middle of October at the latest. Stop comparing this to the MVP caliber McNair of old instead of the shell of a shell of that former player that exists now.
I never said he sucked in those games, I just said his stats don't fully explained how he played. I'm also not the only one to say that. In all 3 games that he started for the injured Pennington, I gave quotes from other reporters that tell how well Quincy played. Maybe were all just delusional Quincy Carter groupies/lovers/stalkers, or maybe I just might have a valid point.Quincy Carter hasn't sucked his whole career. I seem to remember a Monday Night Football game when the Cowboys were down by 3 with 10 seconds to go, no timeouts, on our own 40, yet Quincy made an unbelievable pass to set up a field goal and go to overtime, where he made some incredible throws to win it. All of this against a very talented New York Giants team.
By the way, that ended up being the first of ten wins that season, in which the Cowboys made the playoffs after three dismal 5-11 seasons. I don't know about you, but I don't think 10 wins and the playoffs is sucking, especially when you consider that he had to hand the ball off to Troy Hambrick, stand behind an atrocious offensive line, and throw to receivers that all made a habit of dropping balls. I don't consider that sucking.
Montreal head coach Don Mathews is known to be a long time supporter of starter Nealon Greene. The release of Quincy Carter has been reported by some people as being a "joke" and an "insult". He was reported to be throwing all over the field, from both hashmarks, with ease, and that he wasn't yet able to show off the best part of his game, the deep ball, because they practised indoors. The GM was also reported to have told Carter he played well enough to AT LEAST be the backup. It looks like the coach's loyalty to another white player won out.
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I tried not to do it but I couldn't help myself! Is Quincy Carter better than Steve McNair right now? No. Would he be in the future? No. Is he good enough to be a backup quarterback? Yes.
But no one wants a backup that is - at a minimum - one failed test away from a 1-year suspension. Bottom line is that IF Carter plays, AT BEST he is one snort/puff or DUI from getting suspended for a year.
Now, as for those who say he is not even good enough to be a backup quarterback - you suffer from the same delusions as the gentleman who thinks Carter is better than McNair.
Here are the backups in the NFL:
ARI: Matt Leinart
ATL: Matt Schaub
BAL: Kyle Boller
BUF: JP Losman
CAR: Chris Weinke <---
CHI: Brian Griese (or Rex Grossman)
CIN: Anthony Wright
CLE: Ken Dorsey <---
DAL: Tony Romo <---
DEN: Bradlee Van Pelt <---
DET: Josh McNown
GB: Aaron Rodgers <---
HOU: Sage Rosenfels <---
IND: Jim Sorgi <---
JAX: David Garrard
KC: Damon Huard <---
MIA: Joey Harrington (on par with Joey)
MIN: Mike McMahon <---
NE: Matt Cassell
NO: Todd Bouman
NYG: Tim Hasselbeck <---
NYJ: Patrick Ramsey
OAK: Marques Tuiasosopo
PHI: Jeff Garcia <---
PIT: Charlie Batch <---
SD: AJ Feely
SEA: Seneca Wallace <---
SF: Trent Dilfer
STL: Gus Frerotte
TBB: Luke McCown <---
TEN: Vince Young
WAS: Jason Campbell
I count that as about half the second stringers being around the same talent level (or lower) than Carter. But even if he had MORE talent, he is still one strike away from a major suspension and no team is going to risk that for a player of marginal talent.
But no one wants a backup that is - at a minimum - one failed test away from a 1-year suspension. Bottom line is that IF Carter plays, AT BEST he is one snort/puff or DUI from getting suspended for a year.
Now, as for those who say he is not even good enough to be a backup quarterback - you suffer from the same delusions as the gentleman who thinks Carter is better than McNair.
Here are the backups in the NFL:
ARI: Matt Leinart
ATL: Matt Schaub
BAL: Kyle Boller
BUF: JP Losman
CAR: Chris Weinke <---
CHI: Brian Griese (or Rex Grossman)
CIN: Anthony Wright
CLE: Ken Dorsey <---
DAL: Tony Romo <---
DEN: Bradlee Van Pelt <---
DET: Josh McNown
GB: Aaron Rodgers <---
HOU: Sage Rosenfels <---
IND: Jim Sorgi <---
JAX: David Garrard
KC: Damon Huard <---
MIA: Joey Harrington (on par with Joey)
MIN: Mike McMahon <---
NE: Matt Cassell
NO: Todd Bouman
NYG: Tim Hasselbeck <---
NYJ: Patrick Ramsey
OAK: Marques Tuiasosopo
PHI: Jeff Garcia <---
PIT: Charlie Batch <---
SD: AJ Feely
SEA: Seneca Wallace <---
SF: Trent Dilfer
STL: Gus Frerotte
TBB: Luke McCown <---
TEN: Vince Young
WAS: Jason Campbell
I count that as about half the second stringers being around the same talent level (or lower) than Carter. But even if he had MORE talent, he is still one strike away from a major suspension and no team is going to risk that for a player of marginal talent.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I would have respected you more, if you had not posted that. Seriously, I really don't care that people have favorite players and such, but toignore and make excuses for obvious things like Quincy Carter was cut from Candian football and NFL teams have signed the Shaun Kings and Rob Johnsons of the world while Q remains jobless speaks for itself.The fact is even if Carter could have performed anywhere close to what Steve McNair has done(lead a team to the Superbowl), he literally has blown his opportunity to become what you think he is. The specifc drug does not matter, nor whether he will be suspended 4 games or a year. The real bottom line is that the cowboys got rid of him because they could not trust him as a person, and no NFL team is taking a chance on him because of the same lack of trust. Honestly, I was hoping this just a bit, a joke, but looks like it wasn't
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
That was kind of the point, as King led his team to the playoffs as well, and had a similar career as DID Quincy.Actually King is the third stringer in Indy and may not even make the cut.
Everyone here knows that Shaun King would definately make a better QB than Quicy. That's why the Colts pick him up to be the backup. Just in case.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Dude, I think you and I need an intervention. This disease must be stopped. I think we should jump in our cars and go to the nearest Quincy Anonymous meeting.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Sit next to Ryan Leaf. He always brings the best blow!
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
Ok, first of all, Nealon Greene isn't likely to to win the 2nd QB job. He's been playing like ####. And Don Matthews is a supporter of starter Nealon Greene? Greene was brought in THIS offseason to fight for the backup role to Anthony Calvillo. Marcus Brady is more likely to win the job.Also, Nealon Greene is black. WTF are you talking about with the skin color BS. Also, from what I've heard, Carter had a minor unjury, wasn't in shape and didn't try too much for a guy fighting with 2 other guys for one job. Get your facts straight.
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