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Post the guys that could possibly take Daynes job. (1 Viewer)
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CA_7
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3-0....That's still one link to my two. It's also been my experience that Denver's official website is less accurate than the Post and RMN, which is why I don't include it in my regular reading list (which is ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Rocky Mountain News, Denver Post, and the Daily Camera).ssog
see page 77'Denver]The Broncos took over in the second half as Mike Anderson made his bid to back up Quentin Griffin at tailback with 120 yards on 12 carries. [/QUOTE][URL="http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/mediaroom/clippings/August%2020-22 said:
see page 11
Where did you get those? I haven't been able to find any Broncos articles from either the Post or the RMNews dating back earlier than last preseason.3-0....That's still one link to my two. It's also been my experience that Denver's official website is less accurate than the Post and RMN, which is why I don't include it in my regular reading list (which is ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Rocky Mountain News, Denver Post, and the Daily Camera).ssogsee page 77'Denver]The Broncos took over in the second half as Mike Anderson made his bid to back up Quentin Griffin at tailback with 120 yards on 12 carries. [/QUOTE][URL="http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/mediaroom/clippings/August%2020-22 said:see page 11
Where did you get those? I haven't been able to find any Broncos articles from either the Post or the RMNews dating back earlier than last preseason.3-0....That's still one link to my two. It's also been my experience that Denver's official website is less accurate than the Post and RMN, which is why I don't include it in my regular reading list (which is ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Rocky Mountain News, Denver Post, and the Daily Camera).ssogsee page 77'Denver]The Broncos took over in the second half as Mike Anderson made his bid to back up Quentin Griffin at tailback with 120 yards on 12 carries. [/QUOTE][URL="http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/mediaroom/clippings/August%2020-22 said:see page 11
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/http://www.denverpost.com/broncos
Go ahead and search for yourself. I cannot find any article from before last preseason on the websites. If CA_7 knows a place where I can find archived articles online, then I would appreciate a link, so that I could have a chance to produce the links to the two articles that I am referring to in my own defense.
it's OK to be wrong every now and then, I am quite oftenhttp://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/http://www.denverpost.com/broncos
Go ahead and search for yourself. I cannot find any article from before last preseason on the websites. If CA_7 knows a place where I can find archived articles online, then I would appreciate a link, so that I could have a chance to produce the links to the two articles that I am referring to in my own defense.
CA_7
Footballguy
I found them via Google.The articles look like the were scanned by denverbroncos.com and then archived.http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/http://www.denverpost.com/broncos
Go ahead and search for yourself. I cannot find any article from before last preseason on the websites. If CA_7 knows a place where I can find archived articles online, then I would appreciate a link, so that I could have a chance to produce the links to the two articles that I am referring to in my own defense.
Once I found one, it was fairly easy to figure out the format as they are all saved as ~100 page PDFs in a particular naming scheme. The PDF have all newspaper articles about the Broncos, local and nationwide. Open up the links below and you should start to see the pattern:
Aug 17-19
Aug 20-22
Aug 23-25
Hint: denverbroncos.com/..../August%20XX-YY,%202004.pdf (XX and YY are a start and end date over a three day period)
JAA
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Where did you get those? I haven't been able to find any Broncos articles from either the Post or the RMNews dating back earlier than last preseason.3-0....That's still one link to my two. It's also been my experience that Denver's official website is less accurate than the Post and RMN, which is why I don't include it in my regular reading list (which is ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Rocky Mountain News, Denver Post, and the Daily Camera).ssogsee page 77'Denver]The Broncos took over in the second half as Mike Anderson made his bid to back up Quentin Griffin at tailback with 120 yards on 12 carries. [/QUOTE][URL="http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/mediaroom/clippings/August%2020-22 said:see page 11
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
This thread has proven very useful.
Thank you very much.http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/cus...derson_mike.pdf
Page 35.
Couldn't find the other link, but I think that one makes my point well enough.Bri
Thank you very much.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/cus...derson_mike.pdf
Page 35.
Couldn't find the other link, but I think that one makes my point well enough.Bri
96 page link, you thought that was too long and I wouldn't look to see the quote was from 7/6/2005 not 2004
I fully expected you to look up the quote. I never once pretended that the quote was from any time OTHER than 2005.I have said SEVERAL times during the course of this thread that the articles were written in 2005 and said that Anderson had won the job in 2004. I did not "pretend" that they were 2004 articles and try to pull a fast one on you, you just haven't been on top of your reading comprehension skills.Thank you very much.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/cus...derson_mike.pdf
Page 35.
Couldn't find the other link, but I think that one makes my point well enough.Bri
With that said, the reason why there were these articles written in 2005 saying Anderson would have been the starter in 2004 was because Mike Shanahan SAID to reporters in 2005 that, if he hadn't been injured, Anderson would have been the starter in 2004. You know, Mike Shanahan? The guy who actually decides who is going to be the starter? Not a reporter who is paid to speculate. I would say that Shanahan probably knows a wee bit better than anyone else who was going to start in 2004. Do you disagree with this statement?
Edit: My quote from earlier in this thread, just in case you still think I'm trying to "pull a fast one on you".
Oh, yes, sorry for the confusion. LAST OFFSEASON I posted two links that said Anderson had won the starting job THE SEASON BEFORE.
Basically, they were stories about Mike Anderson written in 2005 saying "Mike Anderson has a great chance to be the starting RB in 2005, since he was already going to be the starting RB in 2004". I posted the links last offseason, but they DID state that Anderson had won the job in 2004.
Sorry once again for not being more clear in the first place.
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Chuck Cecil
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I heard a rumor but keep this on the down low that they have been looking at signing the The Burger King as he has been hyped lately by putting out his highlights in the BK commercials
Why? Because I tell you I had a link saying Anderson had won the starting job, and that the article was written in 2005, then after facing a lot of ridicule from you, actually PRODUCING the link saying Anderson had won the starting job written in 2005? And then, after you accused me of trying to pull the wool over your eyes, quoting an earlier post to prove to you that I said that the article was written in 2005?So far this thread you've called me a liar and accused me of trying to hoodwink you, while I have consistantly demonstrated that neither is the case. I guess that makes me something else.
CA_7
Footballguy
If I may interject....You were right that Shanny said in 2005 was Anderson was the starter. The only thing it proves is that you can't trust what Shanny says.
Fact is, in 2004 Anderson was running 2nd to Griffin
In 2005, Shanny probably said this to make Mike feel better going into the season. People often say things they don't mean truly believe because they have an ulterior motive. I am sure you understand this if you work in an office and deal with a lot of BS.
And this brings us full-circle to Ron Dayne....
I believe this is could be similar motivation for why Shanny and Sundquist have said they have confidence in Dayne this season. Based on the RBs on their roster do they really have a choice? Some coaches will blast players in the media to motivate them, other praise players to hopefully build confidence.
Two things.First off, I think that Shanahan would know better than reporters. Reporters were also saying that Bell was going to win the #1 job last season. Shanahan was saying Anderson was going to be the starter. Shanahan was right. Shanahan- 1. Reporters- 0.
Second off, if you really think that Reporters know the situation and are more truthful than Shanahan, then let's go see what Jeff Legwold, Reporter Extraordinairre (pretty much universally considered THE GUY when it comes to Broncos news) has to say on the subject. The link.
This whole idea that Shanahan does these motivational ploys, playing games with his rosters and his depth charts to try to boost a player's confidence or massage a player's ego, is just patently false. In fact, if you ask the players themselves, they all, to a man, say that the thing that they respect most about Shanahan is that he treats them like men and is completely honest with them, rather than playing games.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Could we stop all this useless banter now and get back to the subject at hand? I'm not trying to step on any toes here, just seems to me this is a pretty good topic and we could all do ourselves a lot of good by educating ourselves on the darkhorse guys on denver's roster, some free agent RB's still out there, and expendable RB's who might be avaliable via a trade.
There's nothing new on this front, and probably won't be anything new on this front until Training Camps open in late July. If teams are going to move anyone, they either would have already done it, or they're going to wait until TCs when they can better evaluate their depth.
Englishteacher
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2002 Pro Football Weekly Draft Preview; this year still done by the late great Joel Buchsbaum:
Jonathan Wells
6-1, 243, 4.7 estimated, Ohio State
Notes: Former high school All-American who was supposed to make people forget Eddie George but was a major disapointment until 2001. In 1998, Wells carries 41 times for 197 yards and 2 touchdowns and had a 2 yard catch. In '99, he missed games 2-4 with an ankle injury suffered in the opener and ended the year 51 - 292 - 3 and 5 catches for 17 yards. In 2000, the Buckeyes really wanted and needed Wells to step up and take command of the TB position, but he only started 3 of the 12 games he played in and had a mediocre 136 - 598 - 6 with 9 - 88 receiving. However, in '01 he carried 232 - 1157 - 15 with 11 - 114 and really came on late in the year, when he gained 717 yards and scored 8 times in the last 5 regular season games and came up big against Michigan.
Positives: A big back with run skills and power. Has quick feet and can run with good body lean. Has a short-area burst of speed and some wiggle. Can make the first man miss. Went from a pretty soft runner to a tougher, downhill runner in '01 and is starting to learn how to press the hole. Ctaches the ball well. Has the size to play fullback.
Negatives: Still is no Eddie George from a talent or toughness standpoint and is not that physical. Lacks great speed and creativity as a runner. Will need to block better, especially if you want him to move to fullback.
Summary: Not Eddie George, but he became a good back in '01 and started to live up to his press clippings from high school in the last 5 games.
Jonathan Wells
6-1, 243, 4.7 estimated, Ohio State
Notes: Former high school All-American who was supposed to make people forget Eddie George but was a major disapointment until 2001. In 1998, Wells carries 41 times for 197 yards and 2 touchdowns and had a 2 yard catch. In '99, he missed games 2-4 with an ankle injury suffered in the opener and ended the year 51 - 292 - 3 and 5 catches for 17 yards. In 2000, the Buckeyes really wanted and needed Wells to step up and take command of the TB position, but he only started 3 of the 12 games he played in and had a mediocre 136 - 598 - 6 with 9 - 88 receiving. However, in '01 he carried 232 - 1157 - 15 with 11 - 114 and really came on late in the year, when he gained 717 yards and scored 8 times in the last 5 regular season games and came up big against Michigan.
Positives: A big back with run skills and power. Has quick feet and can run with good body lean. Has a short-area burst of speed and some wiggle. Can make the first man miss. Went from a pretty soft runner to a tougher, downhill runner in '01 and is starting to learn how to press the hole. Ctaches the ball well. Has the size to play fullback.
Negatives: Still is no Eddie George from a talent or toughness standpoint and is not that physical. Lacks great speed and creativity as a runner. Will need to block better, especially if you want him to move to fullback.
Summary: Not Eddie George, but he became a good back in '01 and started to live up to his press clippings from high school in the last 5 games.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Pro Football Weekly 2003 Draft Preview by Joel B. (Note: This was the year J.B. passed so the book was finished by Nawrocki)
CECIL SAPP
5-10, 229, 4.62
NOTES: Ran 4.55 at 217 pounds in 2001. Redshirted in "98. Carried 6 times for 40 yards and 1 TD in 3 games in '99. Split time in 2000, carrying 151 - 841 - 10 and catching 3 passes for 47 yards and 1 TD. Stood out at the Liberty Bowl vs. Louisville, when he rushed 36-160-1 and was named MVP. Fractured a bone in his lower right leg in spring of '01. Had a benign tumor removed from his left heel in fall '01. Was pudgy and not ready for a lot of action in the spring but was outstanding in the '02 opener vs. Virginia, rushing for nearly 180 yards. Continued to excel for the rest of the year and finished with 328-1,495-17 to go along with 12 catches for 63 yards. Gained 932 of his rushing yards after contact and was a unanimous All-Big West Conference pick.
Positives: Came back from major medical problems to have his best season. A true warrior with stamina, staying power and toughness and an excellent inside runner with tremendous hip and leg strength. Looks much more natural and agile running inside than outside. Runs tough, breaks tackles, finishes his runs and can catch the ball. Sapp is a big, powerful runner with good vision, skill and balance.
Negatives: Is not an effective or gifted outside runner. Lacks experience blocking, does not really seem to want to block and has a hard time with blitz pickups. Didn't have a strong week of practice at the Senior Bowl because he was tentaive.
Summary: A good, tough, workhorse back who does his best running inside the tackles.
CECIL SAPP
5-10, 229, 4.62
NOTES: Ran 4.55 at 217 pounds in 2001. Redshirted in "98. Carried 6 times for 40 yards and 1 TD in 3 games in '99. Split time in 2000, carrying 151 - 841 - 10 and catching 3 passes for 47 yards and 1 TD. Stood out at the Liberty Bowl vs. Louisville, when he rushed 36-160-1 and was named MVP. Fractured a bone in his lower right leg in spring of '01. Had a benign tumor removed from his left heel in fall '01. Was pudgy and not ready for a lot of action in the spring but was outstanding in the '02 opener vs. Virginia, rushing for nearly 180 yards. Continued to excel for the rest of the year and finished with 328-1,495-17 to go along with 12 catches for 63 yards. Gained 932 of his rushing yards after contact and was a unanimous All-Big West Conference pick.
Positives: Came back from major medical problems to have his best season. A true warrior with stamina, staying power and toughness and an excellent inside runner with tremendous hip and leg strength. Looks much more natural and agile running inside than outside. Runs tough, breaks tackles, finishes his runs and can catch the ball. Sapp is a big, powerful runner with good vision, skill and balance.
Negatives: Is not an effective or gifted outside runner. Lacks experience blocking, does not really seem to want to block and has a hard time with blitz pickups. Didn't have a strong week of practice at the Senior Bowl because he was tentaive.
Summary: A good, tough, workhorse back who does his best running inside the tackles.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Jonathan Wells was put on IR at the end of the 2005 season but I can't find any info on the exact injury. Does anyone recall the injury? Could it be one of the reasons that Wells is still a free agent?
Englishteacher
Footballguy
From 2004 Pro Football Weekly Draft Preview by Nawrocki:
BRANDON MIREE
5-11, 230, 4.65 Pittsburgh
Notes: Rushed for 2,455 yards and 31 TD's in high school. Also lettered in track. Redshirted at Alabama as a true freshman in 1999. Appeared in all 11 games in 2000, rushing for 426 yards and 6 TD's on 94 attempts (4.5-yard average). Played in Alabama's first two games of 2001 before transferring to Pittsburgh in September. Sat out the remainder of '01 per NCAA transfer rules. Started 8 of 13 games for Pitt in '02 and rushed for 214-943-4 with a long of 53 and caught 11 passes for 123 yards. Graduated in May '03. Played in 6 games in '03. Rushed for 115-573-6 and caught 10-130-1. Missed 7 games due to a stress fracture.
Positives: hard worker. Good size. Productive between the tackles and runs with good pad level. Has good leg strength and drive to finish runs. Can move the chains to get the tough yards. Adequate hands.
Negatives: Marginal playing speed with below-average foot quickness. Lacks initial burst. Not elusive or shifty in the hole. Lacks speed to get to the corner. Average vision. Does not have the speed to hit cutback lanes. Durability has become a question.
Summary: Solid and productive inside runner who is a step slow for the next level. Priority free agent with durability concerns.
BRANDON MIREE
5-11, 230, 4.65 Pittsburgh
Notes: Rushed for 2,455 yards and 31 TD's in high school. Also lettered in track. Redshirted at Alabama as a true freshman in 1999. Appeared in all 11 games in 2000, rushing for 426 yards and 6 TD's on 94 attempts (4.5-yard average). Played in Alabama's first two games of 2001 before transferring to Pittsburgh in September. Sat out the remainder of '01 per NCAA transfer rules. Started 8 of 13 games for Pitt in '02 and rushed for 214-943-4 with a long of 53 and caught 11 passes for 123 yards. Graduated in May '03. Played in 6 games in '03. Rushed for 115-573-6 and caught 10-130-1. Missed 7 games due to a stress fracture.
Positives: hard worker. Good size. Productive between the tackles and runs with good pad level. Has good leg strength and drive to finish runs. Can move the chains to get the tough yards. Adequate hands.
Negatives: Marginal playing speed with below-average foot quickness. Lacks initial burst. Not elusive or shifty in the hole. Lacks speed to get to the corner. Average vision. Does not have the speed to hit cutback lanes. Durability has become a question.
Summary: Solid and productive inside runner who is a step slow for the next level. Priority free agent with durability concerns.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
Good dark horase info.
19 Tatum Bell RB, DEN 173 rushes 921 yards 5.3 aver 8 td'sThose are his numbers from last year with Anderson being the #1 RBWhat do you think DEN and Shannahan will do ? bench a guy that just got you those total yards for a run down RB wannbe in Dayne ? Tatum Bell had the highest average yards in thr NFL last year (RB's)He had the same or more TD's than S Jackson, Caddy, Gado, McGahee, Julius, Brown, KJ, Martin, Parker, Ronnie Brown, Dunn, Lewis and Westbrook.Denver rushed the ball more than any other team except Atlanta. So yeah, with the #1 guy leaving, as it happened going into 2005 like 2006, even IF Dayne is the #1 and gets Andeson like numbers, Bell still looks to be a 1200 yard total offense and 7-8 TD guyAnd thats not bad at all.And the potential he's got to get more ? nice
