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What is going on with PHI WRs? (1 Viewer)

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Might someone fill me in what is going on in PHI in terms of starting WRs, injury implications etc.?

I was trying to figure out whether Lewis or Pinkston or whoever would be likely to be #2 at beginning and mid-way through...

Thanks.

OOK!

 
Might someone fill me in what is going on in PHI in terms of starting WRs, injury implications etc.?

I was trying to figure out whether Lewis or Pinkston or whoever would be likely to be #2 at beginning and mid-way through...

Thanks.

OOK!
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No problem... :tfp:

 
I like Reggie Brown to put crack 1,000 yards, but the rest is trash.

 
I like Reggie Brown to put crack 1,000 yards, but the rest is trash.
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That being said, how is it that the FBG staff is so high on McNabb this year? Do they think he's going to run so many tds in? I just don't understand how they can be so high on McNabb and so low on ALL the Philly receivers. Something doesn't add up...
 
The lastest from PHI - 7-16 - Pinkston is leading as #2 if healthy.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/fo...philly_football

There was no room to focus on anyone other than T.O. at this position the previous two seasons. Now, there's a long list of players who are going to try to fill the vacancy in the lineup.

Reggie Brown, who had more yards receiving than any rookie in the NFL, is the only player guaranteed a starting spot when the Eagles land in Houston for their season opener.

Todd Pinkston, based on his experience, is the leading candidate to hold down the No. 2 spot, but he has to prove that he has recovered from a ruptured Achilles tendon that cost him the entire 2005 season. Pinkston participated in a limited manner during the minicamps.

Presuming Pinkston is the No. 2 receiver, the No. 3 job will probably be a competition between newcomer Jabar Gaffney and incumbent Greg Lewis. Gaffney, a second-round pick by the Houston Texans in 2002, ran from the slot quite often in minicamp and is much bigger than Lewis, who was disappointing last year after moving into the No. 2 role following Pinkston's injury.

Rookies Jeremy Bloom, Jason Avant, Hank Baskett and J.J. Outlaw will battle with veterans Darnerien McCants and Justin Jenkins for the fourth and fifth wide-receiver spots.
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I like Reggie Brown to put crack 1,000 yards, but the rest is trash.
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That being said, how is it that the FBG staff is so high on McNabb this year? Do they think he's going to run so many tds in? I just don't understand how they can be so high on McNabb and so low on ALL the Philly receivers. Something doesn't add up...
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Most people have Brady at #2-3 QB Every year, and Branch is around #20. PHI should spread the ball out. as far a recieving goes. LJ Smith > Ben Watson. Although I like them both this year. Westbrook > Dillon/Moroney.
 
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That being said, how is it that the FBG staff is so high on McNabb this year? Do they think he's going to run so many tds in? I just don't understand how they can be so high on McNabb and so low on ALL the Philly receivers. Something doesn't add up...
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i'm certainly not speaking for the staff, but philly te and rb's have been known to catch a couple of td passes. :yes:
 
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I like Reggie Brown to put crack 1,000 yards, but the rest is trash.
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That being said, how is it that the FBG staff is so high on McNabb this year? Do they think he's going to run so many tds in? I just don't understand how they can be so high on McNabb and so low on ALL the Philly receivers. Something doesn't add up...
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Don't know what to tell you3500/23 with 230/2 is about what I'm expecting.

It's not hard when you spread the ball around

Figure:

Reggie Brown - 1050/7

Westbrook - 750/6

LJ Smith - 600/6

Pinkston - 500/1

Gaffney - 400/2

Others - 200/1

= 3500/23

Those numbers all look pretty reasonable to me.

 
I like Reggie Brown to put crack 1,000 yards, but the rest is trash.
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That being said, how is it that the FBG staff is so high on McNabb this year? Do they think he's going to run so many tds in? I just don't understand how they can be so high on McNabb and so low on ALL the Philly receivers. Something doesn't add up...
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A few years back Brett Favre was the same way, a top 5-10 QB with Bill Schroeder as his top WR. More recently, Tom Brady, and I'm guessing that if Phillip Rivers has a breakout year his top WR might barely approach 1000 yards.
 
TO is the only reciever that has ever had over 1000 yards in the McNabb era (1200y in 04). The next best was Thrash with 833 in 2001.

Even including the TO years, McNabbs #1WR averages 877 yards per year. I think Brown will be hard pressed to break 1000, although if he stays healthy it's possible.

 
Thanks for the responses, fellas, and your points all make sense. Maybe I should be wondering why more of the critics don't have him as high, but I'll try to keep that to myself.

Ook, sorry for the hijack. It seems to me that the #2 spot will be Pinkston's to lose, and will hinge greatly on how he rebounds from the injury and can stay healthy.

 
What are Pinkston's health issues though? I recall the achiles tendon problem, will he really be ready?

I guess this is what TC is for....

 
Let's not forget that Reggie Brown posted most of his numbers with Mike McMahon running the show. Early in the season, Brown was still learning the plays and didn't see the field. In the seven games prior to the TO suspension, Brown was targeted only 12 times. In the final 9 games, he was targeted 67 times. Even if you project his playing time rather than his results over a full season he would approach a 1000 yard season. With modest improvement and a full season of McNabb throwing him the ball, 1100 seems like the low-end. Also consider that McNabb works out in private in Arizona. Reggie Brown is there with him. Not saying that will even be worth a single catch, but it does demonstrate that the kid's head is on straight and he is committed to being a #1.

Gaffney had a 600 yard season from a horrible David Carr led offense. I don't think 600 out of him is a stretch. I could also see Pinkston chipping in 500 or so. Lewis doesn't impress me, he should fade as the fourth WR and I don't expect him to contribute much.

That's 2200 from receivers. You can pencil in LJ Smith and Westbrook to have at least 1100 yards between them.

I can't see Donovan having less than 3 rushing TDs.

Let's not forget, a much younger, inexperienced Donovan had three 3200 yard seasons while surrounded by the worst skill positions in football. With the development of Brown and Smith, the abilities of Westbrook, and Pinkston/Gaffney as role players rather than primary threats, I think 3600/28 total tds is within reach. FBG is on target with their McNabb numbers!

 
Reggie Brown is the clear #1 WR.

LJ Smith is the #2 option, then Westy.

WR2 will likely get the 4th most targets.

I see the job as 50/50 for Pinkston / Gaffney, but I doubt that will remain the case. Gaffney is better.

Lewis is a slot guy, and he's terrible. He had more targets than any Philly WR last season and his yard per target and reception percentage were terrible.



Greg Lewis

Targets - 105

Catches - 48

Reception % - 45.7% (horrible)

Yards - 561

YPR - 11.7 (indicative of a short route receiver)

YPTarget - 5.3 (also terrible)

TDs - 1

Look for the rookies to move in to the WR3 slot position and push the loser of the Gaffney / Pinkston WR2 battle. Avant is the leading candidate (over Bloom, who is a ST guy).

Hank Baskett is a dark horse and could be a big target on goal line fade routes.

As for McNabb - I'm not far off of where Brandow posted as for him throwing to everyone / anyone that's open.

Figure:

Reggie Brown - 1050/7

Westbrook - 750/6

LJ Smith - 600/6

Pinkston - 500/1

Gaffney - 400/2

Others - 200/1

= 3500/23
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I had Reggie Brown at the 970 mark with 8 TDs, and LJ Smith with 780 and 7 (High I know, but I have him #4 TE overall), so that's 1750 and 15 TDs between them.Westy in the 700s in receptions, 5 TDs about right.

Gaffney I have at about 500 yards, with Pinky the next best. I have Avant as the #4 and I don't know if Lewis will even stick with the team.

Schobel (TE2) will get about 150 yards too.

3200-3500 yards right there.

Brown 970/8

LJ 780/7

Westy 700/5

Gaffney 500/3

Schobel 150/1

Avant, Pinkston, Bloom about 300 total, with 1 TD.

That would put McNabb at 3400 / 25, perfectly reasonable numbers.

Also factor in a few hundred rushing and a TD or two and I see why McNabb is up there.

 
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We won't know for sure until TC starts, but I see Gaffney as a value play for WR.

Still, the guy I'd really be bumping up is LJ Smith. He could easily be option #2 in the passing offense.

 
I expect Pinkston vs. Gaffney to be tight, but Gaffney has the better "possession" reciever type skill, while Pinkston is a burner. Pinkston seems (to me) destined to become the slot reciever in longer yardage spots, with Gaffney earning the starting nod.

 
I like Reggie Brown to put crack 1,000 yards, but the rest is trash.
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That being said, how is it that the FBG staff is so high on McNabb this year? Do they think he's going to run so many tds in? I just don't understand how they can be so high on McNabb and so low on ALL the Philly receivers. Something doesn't add up...
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Did you add in the best recieving Rb in the game, and one of the better TEs?
 
Let's not forget that Reggie Brown posted most of his numbers with Mike McMahon running the show. Early in the season, Brown was still learning the plays and didn't see the field. In the seven games prior to the TO suspension, Brown was targeted only 12 times. In the final 9 games, he was targeted 67 times. Even if you project his playing time rather than his results over a full season he would approach a 1000 yard season. With modest improvement and a full season of McNabb throwing him the ball, 1100 seems like the low-end. Also consider that McNabb works out in private in Arizona. Reggie Brown is there with him. Not saying that will even be worth a single catch, but it does demonstrate that the kid's head is on straight and he is committed to being a #1.

Gaffney had a 600 yard season from a horrible David Carr led offense. I don't think 600 out of him is a stretch. I could also see Pinkston chipping in 500 or so. Lewis doesn't impress me, he should fade as the fourth WR and I don't expect him to contribute much.

That's 2200 from receivers. You can pencil in LJ Smith and Westbrook to have at least 1100 yards between them.

I can't see Donovan having less than 3 rushing TDs.

Let's not forget, a much younger, inexperienced Donovan had three 3200 yard seasons while surrounded by the worst skill positions in football. With the development of Brown and Smith, the abilities of Westbrook, and Pinkston/Gaffney as role players rather than primary threats, I think 3600/28 total tds is within reach. FBG is on target with their McNabb numbers!
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I didn't know this fact! Very good bit of info, and bumps up Brown in my own rankings. Good to know, thanks :thumbup:
 
Let's not forget that Reggie Brown posted most of his numbers with Mike McMahon running the show.  Early in the season, Brown was still learning the plays and didn't see the field.  In the seven games prior to the TO suspension, Brown was targeted only 12 times.  In the final 9 games, he was targeted 67 times.  Even if you project his playing time rather than his results over a full season he would approach a 1000 yard season.  With modest improvement and a full season of McNabb throwing him the ball, 1100 seems like the low-end.  Also consider that McNabb works out in private in Arizona.  Reggie Brown is there with him.  Not saying that will even be worth a single catch, but it does demonstrate that the kid's head is on straight and he is committed to being a #1.

Gaffney had a 600 yard season from a horrible David Carr led offense.  I don't think 600 out of him is a stretch.  I could also see Pinkston chipping in 500 or so.  Lewis doesn't impress me, he should fade as the fourth WR and I don't expect him to contribute much.

That's 2200 from receivers.  You can pencil in LJ Smith and Westbrook to have at least 1100 yards between them. 

I can't see Donovan having less than 3 rushing TDs.

Let's not forget, a much younger, inexperienced Donovan had three 3200 yard seasons while surrounded by the worst skill positions in football.  With the development of Brown and Smith, the abilities of Westbrook, and Pinkston/Gaffney as role players rather than primary threats, I think 3600/28 total tds is within reach.  FBG is on target with their McNabb numbers!
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I didn't know this fact! Very good bit of info, and bumps up Brown in my own rankings. Good to know, thanks :thumbup:
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I can't find you a link, but it was on the local news here in PA. WPVI, our ABC affiliate was in Arizona and had news footage of McNabb and Brown running through footwork drills in 110 degree heat. No throwing the football, just conditioning and hand-eye coordination stuff.I can't picture TO spending a minute of "his" time there.

 
Well, I can think of a few other WRs that do/did this...

M.Harrison

R.Wayne

C.Johnson

certainly good company ;)

 
Let's not forget that Reggie Brown posted most of his numbers with Mike McMahon running the show. Early in the season, Brown was still learning the plays and didn't see the field. In the seven games prior to the TO suspension, Brown was targeted only 12 times. In the final 9 games, he was targeted 67 times. Even if you project his playing time rather than his results over a full season he would approach a 1000 yard season. With modest improvement and a full season of McNabb throwing him the ball, 1100 seems like the low-end. Also consider that McNabb works out in private in Arizona. Reggie Brown is there with him. Not saying that will even be worth a single catch, but it does demonstrate that the kid's head is on straight and he is committed to being a #1.

Gaffney had a 600 yard season from a horrible David Carr led offense. I don't think 600 out of him is a stretch. I could also see Pinkston chipping in 500 or so. Lewis doesn't impress me, he should fade as the fourth WR and I don't expect him to contribute much.

That's 2200 from receivers. You can pencil in LJ Smith and Westbrook to have at least 1100 yards between them.

I can't see Donovan having less than 3 rushing TDs.

Let's not forget, a much younger, inexperienced Donovan had three 3200 yard seasons while surrounded by the worst skill positions in football. With the development of Brown and Smith, the abilities of Westbrook, and Pinkston/Gaffney as role players rather than primary threats, I think 3600/28 total tds is within reach. FBG is on target with their McNabb numbers!
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I didn't know this fact! Very good bit of info, and bumps up Brown in my own rankings. Good to know, thanks :thumbup:
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I can't find you a link, but it was on the local news here in PA. WPVI, our ABC affiliate was in Arizona and had news footage of McNabb and Brown running through footwork drills in 110 degree heat. No throwing the football, just conditioning and hand-eye coordination stuff.

I can't picture TO spending a minute of "his" time there.
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Pretty sure he did his first year as an Eagle.
 
Let's not forget that Reggie Brown posted most of his numbers with Mike McMahon running the show.  Early in the season, Brown was still learning the plays and didn't see the field.  In the seven games prior to the TO suspension, Brown was targeted only 12 times.  In the final 9 games, he was targeted 67 times.  Even if you project his playing time rather than his results over a full season he would approach a 1000 yard season.  With modest improvement and a full season of McNabb throwing him the ball, 1100 seems like the low-end.  Also consider that McNabb works out in private in Arizona.  Reggie Brown is there with him.  Not saying that will even be worth a single catch, but it does demonstrate that the kid's head is on straight and he is committed to being a #1.

Gaffney had a 600 yard season from a horrible David Carr led offense.  I don't think 600 out of him is a stretch.  I could also see Pinkston chipping in 500 or so.  Lewis doesn't impress me, he should fade as the fourth WR and I don't expect him to contribute much.

That's 2200 from receivers.  You can pencil in LJ Smith and Westbrook to have at least 1100 yards between them. 

I can't see Donovan having less than 3 rushing TDs.

Let's not forget, a much younger, inexperienced Donovan had three 3200 yard seasons while surrounded by the worst skill positions in football.  With the development of Brown and Smith, the abilities of Westbrook, and Pinkston/Gaffney as role players rather than primary threats, I think 3600/28 total tds is within reach.  FBG is on target with their McNabb numbers!
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I didn't know this fact! Very good bit of info, and bumps up Brown in my own rankings. Good to know, thanks :thumbup:
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I can't find you a link, but it was on the local news here in PA. WPVI, our ABC affiliate was in Arizona and had news footage of McNabb and Brown running through footwork drills in 110 degree heat. No throwing the football, just conditioning and hand-eye coordination stuff.

I can't picture TO spending a minute of "his" time there.
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Pretty sure he did his first year as an Eagle.
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Freddie Mitchell used to be a regular attendee as well. Did wonders for Mr. 4th and 26.
 
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