Islander
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25 sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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Papa Georgio
Footballguy
I just can't help but wonder what happens if robo-Gore gets hurt tonight? It just seems like its not if he will get hurt but when? So either SF was totally done with Barlow or they have a lot of faith in Hicks/Robinson.
"Lock it up" (love I mean LOVE that ad) "Championship"
"Lock it up" (love I mean LOVE that ad) "Championship"
Islander
Footballguy
Or they did not think Barlow was worth the money he's under contract for this season!?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I would have to say that Unlucky nailed this one in post 23.
hutchins929
Footballguy
The same thing people were saying in 2000, right before Bush beat him to the White House!!!Now the whole world is gonna want Gore...
traderkirk
Footballguy
Please, no "2000 stolen election" flame wars!!!!
And the elation over Gore is simple to understand. We don't have a benchmark for his performance. It's likely that it will be as the skeptics have pointed out . . . injury history, bad offense etc.
But we also don't know exactly how good he could be. There is a chance that he significantly outperform his draft position and that's what wins fantasy leagues.
I don't have the numbers in front of me but in the 14 seasons Norv Turner has been either HC or OC, 10 of them have featured a back with at least 1000+ yards and around 10TDs. Many of those seasons featured backs who scored a lot more too.
It's my own draft strategy . . . ADNTRBS.
And the elation over Gore is simple to understand. We don't have a benchmark for his performance. It's likely that it will be as the skeptics have pointed out . . . injury history, bad offense etc.
But we also don't know exactly how good he could be. There is a chance that he significantly outperform his draft position and that's what wins fantasy leagues.
I don't have the numbers in front of me but in the 14 seasons Norv Turner has been either HC or OC, 10 of them have featured a back with at least 1000+ yards and around 10TDs. Many of those seasons featured backs who scored a lot more too.
It's my own draft strategy . . . ADNTRBS.
Traders2001
Footballguy
So funny , what difference is it going to make .
Barlow is a lousy Rb did zero in SF and now he goes to the JEts and it gets most of you excited , but if he is not talented enough to play in SF he wont be in New York.
Lousy moves for the Jets, they should have sticked with who they had.
Barlow is a lousy Rb did zero in SF and now he goes to the JEts and it gets most of you excited , but if he is not talented enough to play in SF he wont be in New York.
Lousy moves for the Jets, they should have sticked with who they had.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I wouldn't touch any NY Jets RB with a 6 meter pole. Even in redraft leagues...
They'll look to ugrade on this assortment of helmeted turds this offseason.
They'll look to ugrade on this assortment of helmeted turds this offseason.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree the Jets needed Barlow like they needed this:
Pimpin Ain't Easy
Footballguy
Very
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Jets boards are saying that it was a 4th rder that could go as high as a 3rd rder if Barlow has a good year. Also keep in mind since he was traded SF takes on all bonuses as an accelerated hit - so Jets only have to pay his base which I suspect will be reworked at the end of the year.
Also rumored that Atlanta was holding out for a 2nd rd pick for Duckett so Jets went to plan B.
Decent move for the Jets - would rather give up the 4th than a 2nd rder - Barlow has more potential than ced and Blaylock - I've drank the from the Barlow Kool Aid before so let's see what happens.
Defintely tells me CuMart is closer to HOF than playing this year!
Also rumored that Atlanta was holding out for a 2nd rd pick for Duckett so Jets went to plan B.
Decent move for the Jets - would rather give up the 4th than a 2nd rder - Barlow has more potential than ced and Blaylock - I've drank the from the Barlow Kool Aid before so let's see what happens.
Defintely tells me CuMart is closer to HOF than playing this year!
Why? Barlow will be a nice addition to the Jets, even if he doesn't win the starting job outright. Houston has had ball-security problems. Blaylock looks good catching the ball, and runs well in space, but he can't run up the middle. Leon Washington is a 3rd-down back. Barlow is versatile and gives the Jets another big back, probably for a 2nd-day pick. That's not bad at all. Plus, you know he's used to losing in a big market...I agree the Jets needed Barlow like they needed this:
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
If that's true, that probably settles it: Duckett's not going anywhere.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I agree, but disagree. When they drafted Gore, they loved him and talk was already surrounding how they drafted a RB that they thought was their future. So, he is only being what they invisioned IMO. I think they are trading Barlow because they are comfortable with who they have behind him. Hicks, they know and he could carry it for them, but more importantly, I think they love what they have seen from Michael Robinson. Thus, if Gore were to not perform or get hurt (again) they feel they could still run the ball somewhat effectively.
Are you sure. I hear Staley is looking pretty slow in Pittsburgh.
Otis
Footballguy
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I don't know. A second sounds kind of expensive. I hope it happens.montanagold
Footballguy
Okay... Gores value in my latest mock drafting has jumped about 2 rounds. The earliest he was grabbed so far was 4.5 in my latest redraft.
Granted thats hot of the latest news... before that it was 6 or beyond. I'm hoping will drop back a little next 2 weeks.
MG
Granted thats hot of the latest news... before that it was 6 or beyond. I'm hoping will drop back a little next 2 weeks.
MG
fsufan
Footballguy
bad RB + bad NFL team =Hopefully the Jets hold onto the receipt.Barlow
bentley
Footballguy
Hey buddy. Just so you know, when I overpay for Gore on auction night and pat myself on the back for being such a genius and then the guy goes out and runs for 600 yards this year, the blame will be squarely at your feet.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
The Jets lost nothing in this trade and it is not even set in stone that Barlow will make the team. There are still 2 weeks to go before the season and if Barlow does not make the team the worst the Jets lose is a 4th rounder, if reports are correct. That is not a high price to pay to possibly have RB depth with some NFL experience. At best Barlow moves ahead of Blaylock as the RB 2 on the team. Houston is still the starter as he knows the system with Blaylock a close 2nd. Right now Barlow is in a similar position as Washington except Barlow is the lottery number here. Either he goes or he stays with little cost to the Jets.
No way is this true. Blaylock started game one of the preseason, and Leon Washington started game two. Both Blaylock and Washington got reps with the first team offense both games. Both games, Houston was the third tailback to see any action, and not until the 2d quarter of game one and the 2d half of game two.At this point, Cedric Houston's fantsy value is basically nil.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Is that a good year by Barlow standards or good year by NFL standards? I mean this cat could not even fall forward at the line of scrimmage the last 2 years.
switz
Footballguy
Ummm... I don't think Houston is the starter. I know that if I had a starting RB, and a decent backup, I wouldn't throw away draft picks for a "beter" backup. No... they don't view Houston as the starter.
I'm re-thinking here, but I would only add a round to my initial guess, so make it 3rd rounder for Gore and 4th for Barlow (if he becomes the starter.) There are tons of unresolved situation, old vets with a new rookie nipping at their heels or possible RBBC's this year. I see Gore and Barlow as just as risky as trying to navigate the Chicago, Denver, Jax, Houston, Carolina, Tenn, New England, Indy, NO or Dallas situations.Wondering that myself right now. I have a draft starting in 1 1/2 hr and I need rank Gore. Right now I'm looking in the RB20-23 range (behind JJones & ahead of CTaylor, DFoster, DDavis).Thoughts please!
i think that everyone needs to take a step back and look at this with some fresh eyes...last yr the 2 teams that ran the fewest offensive plays in the league were SF(fewest) and then Jets...Now that I've got the sarcasm out of my system... I would definitely slot him in mid-2nd to 3rd round range. He still hasn't shown a propensity to stay healthy and the Niners are still in the frontrunning for worse team in the league this year. Where's does Barlow fall? I'm thinking mid-3rd until we can see if they plan on platooning him or having him as the primary ballcarrier.Wondering that myself right now. I have a draft starting in 1 1/2 hr and I need rank Gore. Right now I'm looking in the RB20-23 range (behind JJones & ahead of CTaylor, DFoster, DDavis).Thoughts please!
neither Oline is gonna get confused with the Denver or KC OLine....each of these teams are gonna struggle on offense this yr...imo the jets more so then then niners but to think that either of these guys are mid 2nd to 3rd round(gore) or mid 3rd Barlow...well i think you need to take off the blinders and look at things a bit more objectively....to rank either above chester taylor while everyone is allowed to have their own opinion is just pretty crazy(if you just look at the Olines for each team)
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
It'll be an upset if Barlow isn't splitting time at least by week one and carrying the load shortly thereafter.
I know Barlow has burned a lot of people, but I wonder sometimes how many of them really consider the circumstances he played in. He split time on a good offense with Garrison Hearst, and the year he took over Hearst isn't the only player that left. They also lost Owens, Garcia, and 3/5 of the offensive line, and that talent hasn't been replaced over the past 2 years. He's not a gamebreaking talent, but he's got a lot of talent to use if his surrounding talent can at least hold their own.
In NY, he'll have respectable QB play, a better offensive line, and a few weapons in the passing game to so he's not relied on to be the entire offense. Make whatever judgement you want on him, but he's got a much, MUCH better chance to succeed in NY than he ever did in SF in the past 2 years.
I know Barlow has burned a lot of people, but I wonder sometimes how many of them really consider the circumstances he played in. He split time on a good offense with Garrison Hearst, and the year he took over Hearst isn't the only player that left. They also lost Owens, Garcia, and 3/5 of the offensive line, and that talent hasn't been replaced over the past 2 years. He's not a gamebreaking talent, but he's got a lot of talent to use if his surrounding talent can at least hold their own.
In NY, he'll have respectable QB play, a better offensive line, and a few weapons in the passing game to so he's not relied on to be the entire offense. Make whatever judgement you want on him, but he's got a much, MUCH better chance to succeed in NY than he ever did in SF in the past 2 years.
Yeah 5.1 ypc and over 1K yards on just 200 carries is just plain awful, how could anyone have ever seen any potential in this bum?
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Otis
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Hey buddy. Just so you know, when I overpay for Gore on auction night and pat myself on the back for being such a genius and then the guy goes out and runs for 600 yards this year, the blame will be squarely at your feet.
Ohhh that Brently....one could make the same argument about Blaylock's backup days to Priest his #s were pretty sweet. While this post is a little harsh and I'm more open minded, I don't think it's so crazy at allYeah 5.1 ypc and over 1K yards on just 200 carries is just plain awful, how could anyone have ever seen any potential in this bum?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Niners Depth Chart
Fwiw, I just read some excitement about MRobinson in a Niner forum. They're saying as soon as the trade was complete the 9er staff posted a new depth chart and Robinson was #2. Considering Gore's injury risk, something the 9er coaches are fully aware of, I think this is pretty big news and a major vote of confidence in the rookie.
Fwiw, I just read some excitement about MRobinson in a Niner forum. They're saying as soon as the trade was complete the 9er staff posted a new depth chart and Robinson was #2. Considering Gore's injury risk, something the 9er coaches are fully aware of, I think this is pretty big news and a major vote of confidence in the rookie.
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brakeyawself
Footballguy
nice, i called it before it even happened somewhere in this thread. Choo choo.
nygiants56
Footballguy
definitely a good RB #3... the Jets WILL run the ball this year, they looked impressive this past weekend against Washington, they ran it down the Redskins throats..They have a solid line and a coach who learned from Bellichick the importance of a good running game..running the ball effectively is the only way they will keep Pennington healthy..if he has to drop back 40 times per game, he'll get killed..
IF he's the full-time starter, I agree. But Curtis Martin isn't dead yet, and the staff seems to like Leon Washington on passing downs. So I agree with packersfan that he's a borderline RB3 until we see more.
redman
Footballguy
just watched the Jets-Skins game this morning on NFL Network. Gotta say, the Jets O-Line ran the ball a LOT better than i would have expected against a good Skins D. I'm starting to think whoever wins the job there could be a nice sleeper. Definitely not a #1 or #2 RB by any means, but could be a GREAT #3. Yes, even Barlow. 
amnesiac
beer is good
it's definitely possible. i wish my team would spend high draft picks on OL.just watched the Jets-Skins game this morning on NFL Network. Gotta say, the Jets O-Line ran the ball a LOT better than i would have expected against a good Skins D. I'm starting to think whoever wins the job there could be a nice sleeper. Definitely not a #1 or #2 RB by any means, but could be a GREAT #3. Yes, even Barlow.
Blaylock has had only 1 season with over 20 carries in his 4 year career. Washington is a rookie, Houston rushed only 81 times last year on a bad team and averaged 3.7ypc. Unless SF knows something we don't and Barlow has really fallen off, there's no reason to think he doesn't have a chance to become the starter (if Martin doesn't come back.)We won't know for a few weeks how this will shake out, but to suggest that Barlow is going to get immediatly cut (as some have in this thread) or that he brings nothing to the Jets at this point is nothing more than irrational hate. There's a reason the Jets were desperate to trade for a RB.Bri said:one could make the same argument about Blaylock's backup days to Priest his #s were pretty sweet. While this post is a little harsh and I'm more open minded, I don't think it's so crazy at allBuckna said:Yeah 5.1 ypc and over 1K yards on just 200 carries is just plain awful, how could anyone have ever seen any potential in this bum?Traders2001 said:
As a Texans fan, I can only dream of us ever doing that.it's definitely possible. i wish my team would spend high draft picks on OL.just watched the Jets-Skins game this morning on NFL Network. Gotta say, the Jets O-Line ran the ball a LOT better than i would have expected against a good Skins D. I'm starting to think whoever wins the job there could be a nice sleeper. Definitely not a #1 or #2 RB by any means, but could be a GREAT #3. Yes, even Barlow.
wannabee
Footballguy
Does Boselli count?As a Texans fan, I can only dream of us ever doing that.it's definitely possible. i wish my team would spend high draft picks on OL.just watched the Jets-Skins game this morning on NFL Network. Gotta say, the Jets O-Line ran the ball a LOT better than i would have expected against a good Skins D. I'm starting to think whoever wins the job there could be a nice sleeper. Definitely not a #1 or #2 RB by any means, but could be a GREAT #3. Yes, even Barlow.
redman
Footballguy
This is sort of my thinking too. IMHO, the ideal thing if you have the RB depth would be to trade Gore right now before the euphoria dies down. I have to believe that he's far more likely to be overvalued than undervalued.
Only as a gamble that didn't pay off. Plus that was an expansion draft.Does Boselli count?As a Texans fan, I can only dream of us ever doing that.it's definitely possible. i wish my team would spend high draft picks on OL.just watched the Jets-Skins game this morning on NFL Network. Gotta say, the Jets O-Line ran the ball a LOT better than i would have expected against a good Skins D. I'm starting to think whoever wins the job there could be a nice sleeper. Definitely not a #1 or #2 RB by any means, but could be a GREAT #3. Yes, even Barlow.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I have Barlow in a dynasty league, and while I still temper my expectations for him, I think this is a bump in his value. He'll be running behind a solid O-line and, if Pennington is healthy, there might be a halfway decent passing game.
He's certainly no C-Mart, but his numbers in NY are bound to be a far cry better than those in SF.
He's certainly no C-Mart, but his numbers in NY are bound to be a far cry better than those in SF.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
Hey Rovers --
Were the Jets that unsold (is that a word?) on Washington, Houston and Blaylock that they felt they had to bring in someone, esp. someone of Barlow's questionable history?
Or do you think it's more a fact that they are patching holes with Martin down and figure why not?
You're the man on the street -- didn't the other guys look good?
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Were the Jets that unsold (is that a word?) on Washington, Houston and Blaylock that they felt they had to bring in someone, esp. someone of Barlow's questionable history?
Or do you think it's more a fact that they are patching holes with Martin down and figure why not?
You're the man on the street -- didn't the other guys look good?
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I presume that SF knows a lot about Barlow that we don't.
He's not the north south runner Nolan covets. He said it a few weeks ago "in so many words" in an interview at the Niner site
Rovers
Footballguy
Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.Hey Rovers --Were the Jets that unsold (is that a word?) on Washington, Houston and Blaylock that they felt they had to bring in someone, esp. someone of Barlow's questionable history?Or do you think it's more a fact that they are patching holes with Martin down and figure why not?You're the man on the street -- didn't the other guys look good?*edited for icky typos
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I find it VERY difficult to believe that the Jets would give up a 4th round pick for a guy who has any chance of being cut in less than 2 weeks.Apparently, Mangini doesn't appear to like Houston as much as I do, and I beleive the thinking is that Blaylock and Washigton are both better suited to be third down/CoP RB's. This trade clearly puts Houston on the bubble, as Askew looks like he will make the team as the recieving FB and depth at RB. Askew got one carry against Washington, but was used as an RB late last year. I'll be headed to camp tomorrow to see what's what. The Jets will likely keep 5 RB's. It appears that Askew and Tutt wil make the roster at FB, so that leaves 3 spots for:HoustonBarlowBlaylockWashingtonOf those four, I think only one is a lock: Washington. Barlow will have to win a roster spot, I don't think even that is a given, nevermind if he wins the starting job. Blaylock is hard to cut this year due to cap considerations, so my gut feel is it's Barlow vs. Houston. Barlow has to do more than show up at TC to stick. Neither is a ST's player, while the other two are good ST's guys, so.... I'd have to think Barlow has the inside track, but he'll have to prove he's better than Houston.Hey Rovers --Were the Jets that unsold (is that a word?) on Washington, Houston and Blaylock that they felt they had to bring in someone, esp. someone of Barlow's questionable history?Or do you think it's more a fact that they are patching holes with Martin down and figure why not?You're the man on the street -- didn't the other guys look good?*edited for icky typos
