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Kevan Barlow passed his physical with the Jets, finalizing the team's acquisition of the former 49er.

New York will reportedly send a 2007 fourth-round pick for Barlow, who practiced Monday. Barlow is the favorite to be the team's Week 1 starter, although he will share carries with Leon Washington and a veteran (Derrick Blaylock or Cedric Houston) to be named later.

Source: Newsday

 
gbill2004 said:
avoiding injuries said:
Could end up being as high as a 2nd rounder depending on how Barlow preforms.
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Do you mean that teh Jets may give up a 2nd round pick if Barlow performs well. If so, do you have a source? Or do you mena Barlow could be worth as much as a round 2 pick in fantasy leagues?
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Jets could give up as much as a 2nd rounder. Heard Mort say it on ESPNNews about 30 min ago. Sorry for the lack of link.
 
avoiding injuries said:
gbill2004 said:
avoiding injuries said:
Could end up being as high as a 2nd rounder depending on how Barlow preforms.
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Do you mean that teh Jets may give up a 2nd round pick if Barlow performs well. If so, do you have a source? Or do you mena Barlow could be worth as much as a round 2 pick in fantasy leagues?
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Jets could give up as much as a 2nd rounder. Heard Mort say it on ESPNNews about 30 min ago. Sorry for the lack of link.
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Could this mean that the Jets will limit his touches so that he doesnt peform to well, and they dont need to give up a 2nd rounder?I wonder what kind of numbers Barlow would need to put up for the Jets to give up a 2nd rounder??
 
gbill2004 said:
Kevan Barlow passed his physical with the Jets, finalizing the team's acquisition of the former 49er.New York will reportedly send a 2007 fourth-round pick for Barlow, who practiced Monday. Barlow is the favorite to be the team's Week 1 starter, although he will share carries with Leon Washington and a veteran (Derrick Blaylock or Cedric Houston) to be named later.Source: Newsday
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so, what would you speculate that Leon Washington's role will be?is he worth a pick-up in larger leagues?
 
gbill2004 said:
Could this mean that the Jets will limit his touches so that he doesnt peform to well, and they dont need to give up a 2nd rounder?I wonder what kind of numbers Barlow would need to put up for the Jets to give up a 2nd rounder??
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The only way they limit his carries is if CuMart comes back. I can see Blaylock getting some touches, but not enough to keep Barlow from being a good #2 RB.
 
switz said:
gbill2004 said:
Could this mean that the Jets will limit his touches so that he doesnt peform to well, and they dont need to give up a 2nd rounder?

I wonder what kind of numbers Barlow would need to put up for the Jets to give up a 2nd rounder??
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The only way they limit his carries is if CuMart comes back. I can see Blaylock getting some touches, but not enough to keep Barlow from being a good #2 RB.
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You mean a good number 2 fantasy RB?
 
—Barlow, subject of recent trade rumors of him going to the Jets for days before the actual trade happened, was interestingly enough listening to his iPod and singing a version of "New York, New York" in the team locker room. Word even trickled back to the head coach of Barlow's song choice.

"There's some new rap song ... so who knows?" Nolan said. "But that's what it was. I got a kick out of it, too, when they told me."

:lmao:

 
switz said:
gbill2004 said:
You mean a good number 2 fantasy RB?
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Yes, I don't think he's a #1 RB, but in a 12-14 team league I think he's solid #2 RB material

And I actually can't stand Barlow, to give some objectivity..
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Really? I reluctantly picked him up off of waivers yesterday when I heard about the trade and it will come down to him and Marion Barber as to who I keep as my 5th RB. Just curious as to why you think he can be a solid #2 fantasy RB because it would be very nice for me if you're right.
 
ffnut said:
Really? I reluctantly picked him up off of waivers yesterday when I heard about the trade and it will come down to him and Marion Barber as to who I keep as my 5th RB. Just curious as to why you think he can be a solid #2 fantasy RB because it would be very nice for me if you're right.
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I think Barlow is the best back on the team, and the likely starter, I think he gets 70% of touches at RB.I also think the Jets are primed to run alot, and they don't have an especially difficult rush schedule. In addition their OL has looked pretty impressive so far.And I think that Barlow will be a bit more disciplined, knowing he's running out of chances.I wouldn't be surprised if Barlow hit 1,000 again, and scored 8 TDs. He also is a decent receiver out of the backfield, which I think whomever starts for the Jets at QB (Pennington) will toss the the RB a bit.
 
azcards33 said:
gbill2004 said:
Kevan Barlow passed his physical with the Jets, finalizing the team's acquisition of the former 49er.New York will reportedly send a 2007 fourth-round pick for Barlow, who practiced Monday. Barlow is the favorite to be the team's Week 1 starter, although he will share carries with Leon Washington and a veteran (Derrick Blaylock or Cedric Houston) to be named later.Source: Newsday
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so, what would you speculate that Leon Washington's role will be?is he worth a pick-up in larger leagues?
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Leon Washington is going to play on special teams, and will not get a lot of time with the regular offense. He may well take over the 3rd-down duties next year, but I think this year he will only get 4-6 plays per game, and those plays may not even go to him.
switz said:
gbill2004 said:
Could this mean that the Jets will limit his touches so that he doesnt peform to well, and they dont need to give up a 2nd rounder?I wonder what kind of numbers Barlow would need to put up for the Jets to give up a 2nd rounder??
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The only way they limit his carries is if CuMart comes back. I can see Blaylock getting some touches, but not enough to keep Barlow from being a good #2 RB.
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I don't know what the performance levels are, so it's ahrd to determine whether the Jets are in any position to limit his touches. I suspect, given the glut of backs, and my belief that Barlow is not going to get more than 225-250 carries, that Barlow will rush for under 1,000 yards, and it's jsut a hunch that runnning for less than 1,000 won't escalate the trade to a 2nd-rounder. In otehr words, the only way the Jets will give up a 2nd rounder is if Barlow is so good that they can't sit him down.
 
So in a 12 team league where you can essentially carry about 5 RB maybe squeeze in 6 would you say that cedric Houston is now worthless? Time to cut bait or wait to see what happens?

 
zamboni said:
switz said:
And I actually can't stand Barlow, to give some objectivity..
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I remember you despising this guy back from the Hearst/Barlow days. Surprised you're singing his praises a bit in these threads.
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Not really singing his praises. I just think he will fit better in NY, and I don't think he has the competition there he had in SF with Hearst and Gore.Hearst was a far better RB than Barlow, and Gore still is.But with the Jets, and a bit of a fire under him, Barlow will produce ok. If you saw my projection, I don't think he's going to be a stud, just a good #2, and I'd much rather have him as my #3. He's actually my #4 on my team.
 
switz said:
zamboni said:
switz said:
And I actually can't stand Barlow, to give some objectivity..
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I remember you despising this guy back from the Hearst/Barlow days. Surprised you're singing his praises a bit in these threads.
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Not really singing his praises. I just think he will fit better in NY, and I don't think he has the competition there he had in SF with Hearst and Gore.Hearst was a far better RB than Barlow, and Gore still is.But with the Jets, and a bit of a fire under him, Barlow will produce ok. If you saw my projection, I don't think he's going to be a stud, just a good #2, and I'd much rather have him as my #3. He's actually my #4 on my team.
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Makes sense. I was burned by him in the past, but if I could also get him as my #4, I'd be satisfied.
 
zamboni said:
switz said:
But with the Jets, and a bit of a fire under him, Barlow will produce ok. If you saw my projection, I don't think he's going to be a stud, just a good #2, and I'd much rather have him as my #3. He's actually my #4 on my team.
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Makes sense. I was burned by him in the past, but if I could also get him as my #4, I'd be satisfied.
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And just to add, I drafted him AFTER the trade to the Jets. Had he stayed in SF, he would have been undraftable for me. I just think in that situation he would not have played that much.
 
sheerterror said:
Z-Dog said:
Houston is definitely the big loser, and will even be cut if the Jets don't carry six backs.
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Barlow, Martin, Blaylock, Washington....are you counting Askew as the 5th?
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No. Martin goes to the PUP list for the first 6 weeks of the season.Barlow, Blaylock, Washington at HBAskew, Tutt at FBHouston is the odd man out - Blaylock costs more to cut than to keep, and Washington was a 4th round pick. Personally, I think they'll keep six.
 
switz said:
zamboni said:
switz said:
And I actually can't stand Barlow, to give some objectivity..
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I remember you despising this guy back from the Hearst/Barlow days. Surprised you're singing his praises a bit in these threads.
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Not really singing his praises. I just think he will fit better in NY, and I don't think he has the competition there he had in SF with Hearst and Gore.Hearst was a far better RB than Barlow, and Gore still is.But with the Jets, and a bit of a fire under him, Barlow will produce ok. If you saw my projection, I don't think he's going to be a stud, just a good #2, and I'd much rather have him as my #3. He's actually my #4 on my team.
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I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
 
maybe he'll get a kick in the ### on this trade and perform

he catches the ball well ........ and the Jets have a better OL than SF - right ?

Barlow might turn it around

 
brakeyawself said:
I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
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And that both CMArt and Barlow are Pittsburgh Alum, right?
 
How does Barlow compare to someone Like Thomas Jones right now? Does the trade to the Jets increase his value significantly?

 
How does Barlow compare to someone Like Thomas Jones right now? Does the trade to the Jets increase his value significantly?
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Obviously Barlow's value increases. He's going from a RBBC where he was probably the #2 guy in terms of touches to a place where he should see a bigger portion of the touches. But while the Jets situation may be better than in SF (that is probably debateable) you really have to temper your enthusiasm. When Barlow was the #1 in SF in 2004 he still only got 244 carries and 35 receptions. I would say that if Barlow resembles Thomas Jones, it's probably Thomas Jones 2004 and not Thomas Jones 2005. Still he takes a big jump in value if he can get 280 touches this year. I envision that he could finish in the top 20 now.
 
thinking back on mike nolan's comments that Barlow was / is their "best back" ... putting that in memory. can't believe a word they say to positioning a player for a trade.

-orphan

 
Snotbubbles said:
How does Barlow compare to someone Like Thomas Jones right now? Does the trade to the Jets increase his value significantly?
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Obviously Barlow's value increases. He's going from a RBBC where he was probably the #2 guy in terms of touches to a place where he should see a bigger portion of the touches. But while the Jets situation may be better than in SF (that is probably debateable) you really have to temper your enthusiasm. When Barlow was the #1 in SF in 2004 he still only got 244 carries and 35 receptions. I would say that if Barlow resembles Thomas Jones, it's probably Thomas Jones 2004 and not Thomas Jones 2005. Still he takes a big jump in value if he can get 280 touches this year. I envision that he could finish in the top 20 now.
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Thanks for the input. I'm trying to decide if Barlow would be good enough to be my third Rb if I get rid of Jones for Driver in a move to improve my 2nd WR.
 
switz said:
brakeyawself said:
I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
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And that both CMArt and Barlow are Pittsburgh Alum, right?
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Oh man, I didn't even piece that together. Good call. I like it even better now.
 
switz said:
brakeyawself said:
I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
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And that both CMArt and Barlow are Pittsburgh Alum, right?
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Oh man, I didn't even piece that together. Good call. I like it even better now.
 
brakeyawself said:
switz said:
brakeyawself said:
I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
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And that both CMArt and Barlow are Pittsburgh Alum, right?
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Oh man, I didn't even piece that together. Good call. I like it even better now.
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Actually that's another piece of why I like Barlow in NY, and it's something I probably didn't even really recognize until I posted it... but it sure makes sense. Barlow would respect CMart, probably take pointers from him as well. This could turn around his career. Man I'm starting to get hyped about him... weird.
 
Me too switz, I drafted (stole) him as my RB#3 in my 16 team league on Monday in round 6.

 
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switz said:
brakeyawself said:
switz said:
brakeyawself said:
I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
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And that both CMArt and Barlow are Pittsburgh Alum, right?
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Oh man, I didn't even piece that together. Good call. I like it even better now.
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Actually that's another piece of why I like Barlow in NY, and it's something I probably didn't even really recognize until I posted it... but it sure makes sense. Barlow would respect CMart, probably take pointers from him as well. This could turn around his career. Man I'm starting to get hyped about him... weird.
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Yea, now Im actually thinking about trading Cedric Benson for him in my Dynasty league. Or at least dreaming that I had done so about a week ago. haha.
 
I've been a fan of his since his days at Pitt, and I still believe he has the kind of talent he flashed a few years ago running for over 1,000 yards in part time duty. When the 49ers lost Garcia, Owens, and 3/5 of their starting line in the same offseason - which just happened to be the same year Barlow took over as a starter - he was doomed to fail because he's not an elite talent that can carry an offense. The 49ers may improve their offense soon, but Barlow had already worn out his welcome there.

He IS a very talented RB who can do everything well, and he's going to get a shot to show it in NY. The Jets wouldn't have taken on over $10 million in salary over the next 3 years and given up a pick to do it if they didn't plan on him seeing a lot of action. And they obviously believe in him.

Right now, I don't know that I'd be comfortable going into the season with Barlow as my RB2 unless I'm stacked at QB and WR, but I'd be more than fine with him as my RB3. He's got the potential to finish as a very, very solid RB2 if the Jets' offense comes together - I like their offensive line, QB situation, and WR depth a bunch more than the 49ers, and that's the key to me. I've got him in both of my dynasty leagues as my RB4 and RB5, so I'm ecstatic about the trade.

As a side note, I loved hearing that Barlow was walking around and singing "New York, New York" as the trade rumors floated around... I think he's also going to head to NY with a pretty big chip on his shoulder to show what he can do.

 
Anybody see this? Hitler? Wow.

49ers | Barlow says Nolan has too much powerWed, 23 Aug 2006 00:59:23 -0700Cam Inman, of MediaNews, reports New York Jets RB Kevan Barlow lashed out at San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan after being traded for a 2007 fourth-round draft pick. Barlow said, "Nolan just doesn't know what he's doing. He's a first-time head coach with too much power. He has too much power as a first-time head coach. He walks around with a chip on his shoulder, like he's a dictator, like he's Hitler. People are scared of him. If it ain't Nolan's way, it's the highway." He later softened his stance and said, "I was kind of harsh on him, saying he's a dictator. That's bad. Saddam Hussein is a dictator. I was speaking on emotion." Barlow believes Nolan has not respect for him or the 49ers organization. "[Former 49ers head coach] Bill Walsh set the standard there, and he ain't living up to it." Barlow also claims no one has a good relationship with the coach, except for possibly QB Alex D. Smith. He added, "Nobody has a good relationship with Coach Nolan, and the only person that does is probably (quarterback) Alex Smith. He does because (Nolan) picked him. His job is in Alex Smith's hands. Coach Nolan could be a good head coach, but he's not going to be because he has too much power. He calls all the shots. He needs somebody above his head. He doesn't know what he's doing."
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Nigel Tufnel said:
Anybody see this? Hitler? Wow.

49ers | Barlow says Nolan has too much powerWed, 23 Aug 2006 00:59:23 -0700Cam Inman, of MediaNews, reports New York Jets RB Kevan Barlow lashed out at San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan after being traded for a 2007 fourth-round draft pick. Barlow said, "Nolan just doesn't know what he's doing. He's a first-time head coach with too much power. He has too much power as a first-time head coach. He walks around with a chip on his shoulder, like he's a dictator, like he's Hitler. People are scared of him. If it ain't Nolan's way, it's the highway." He later softened his stance and said, "I was kind of harsh on him, saying he's a dictator. That's bad. Saddam Hussein is a dictator. I was speaking on emotion." Barlow believes Nolan has not respect for him or the 49ers organization. "[Former 49ers head coach] Bill Walsh set the standard there, and he ain't living up to it." Barlow also claims no one has a good relationship with the coach, except for possibly QB Alex D. Smith. He added, "Nobody has a good relationship with Coach Nolan, and the only person that does is probably (quarterback) Alex Smith. He does because (Nolan) picked him. His job is in Alex Smith's hands. Coach Nolan could be a good head coach, but he's not going to be because he has too much power. He calls all the shots. He needs somebody above his head. He doesn't know what he's doing."
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Shut up, shut up, shut up :wall:
 
Steelers4Life said:
Nigel Tufnel said:
Anybody see this? Hitler? Wow.

49ers | Barlow says Nolan has too much powerWed, 23 Aug 2006 00:59:23 -0700Cam Inman, of MediaNews, reports New York Jets RB Kevan Barlow lashed out at San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan after being traded for a 2007 fourth-round draft pick. Barlow said, "Nolan just doesn't know what he's doing. He's a first-time head coach with too much power. He has too much power as a first-time head coach. He walks around with a chip on his shoulder, like he's a dictator, like he's Hitler. People are scared of him. If it ain't Nolan's way, it's the highway." He later softened his stance and said, "I was kind of harsh on him, saying he's a dictator. That's bad. Saddam Hussein is a dictator. I was speaking on emotion." Barlow believes Nolan has not respect for him or the 49ers organization. "[Former 49ers head coach] Bill Walsh set the standard there, and he ain't living up to it." Barlow also claims no one has a good relationship with the coach, except for possibly QB Alex D. Smith. He added, "Nobody has a good relationship with Coach Nolan, and the only person that does is probably (quarterback) Alex Smith. He does because (Nolan) picked him. His job is in Alex Smith's hands. Coach Nolan could be a good head coach, but he's not going to be because he has too much power. He calls all the shots. He needs somebody above his head. He doesn't know what he's doing."
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Shut up, shut up, shut up :wall:
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:goodposting:
 
brakeyawself said:
switz said:
brakeyawself said:
I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
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And that both CMArt and Barlow are Pittsburgh Alum, right?
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Oh man, I didn't even piece that together. Good call. I like it even better now.
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There was an article in the local paper yesterday about how Martin has been Barlow's hero for a while (Martin was playing for Pitt. while Barlow grew up there.) He was saying how much of an honor it was to have been greeted in NY by Martin, and then to be sitting in the same locker room, next to him. I think if there is anyone Barlow is going to listen to and take pointers from, it's Curtis.
 
sheerterror said:
brakeyawself said:
switz said:
brakeyawself said:
I like Barlow in NY, most of all IF Curtins Martin sticks around and doesnt retire. I kind of think Martin is the kind of guy who could really help out a young, talented, problemed runningback. Martin will be on the PUP until week 6, so he's got plenty of time to throw a few pointers Barlows way. And Martin is one of those guys who did it more so on his willpower and discipline than talent. He's the perfect mentor for this guy, if this were to happen. I COULD see Barlow making a big turnaround. All though im not sure what kind of numbers that would equate too.
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And that both CMArt and Barlow are Pittsburgh Alum, right?
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Oh man, I didn't even piece that together. Good call. I like it even better now.
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There was an article in the local paper yesterday about how Martin has been Barlow's hero for a while (Martin was playing for Pitt. while Barlow grew up there.) He was saying how much of an honor it was to have been greeted in NY by Martin, and then to be sitting in the same locker room, next to him. I think if there is anyone Barlow is going to listen to and take pointers from, it's Curtis.
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I saw that too. Maybe Barlow can find a way to do something this year. I'll hang on to him for a couple of weeks and see what shakes out! :yes:
 
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