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Portis comments from Assoc. Press, HC Gibbs Presser (1 Viewer)

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Redskins | Portis doubtful for openerSat, 2 Sep 2006 09:16:01 -0700The Associated Press reports Washington Redskins RB Clinton Portis' (shoulder) availability for the season opener is in serious doubt, according to head coach Joe Gibbs.
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All you Portis owners still optimistic?

Pick him up in Round 1 at your own risk. I think he's a mid-late 2nd Round pick at best.

 
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dickey moe said:
All you Portis owners still optimistic?Pick him up in Round 1 at your own risk. I think he's a mid-late 2nd Round pick at best.
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The Duckett acquisition was a red flag . . . Portis dropped to the 2nd in a lot of drafts after that trade, and with good reason . . .
 
Just note that this is in contrast to Gibbs' comments during yesterday's press conference where he said that they would ask Portis how he felt in coming days and rely upon that to decide whether he'd play in the opener.

 
redman said:
Just note that this is in contrast to Gibbs' comments during yesterday's press conference where he said that they would ask Portis how he felt in coming days and rely upon that to decide whether he'd play in the opener.
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Yeah, I'd rather have a direct quote.
 
Nigel Tufnel said:
redman said:
Just note that this is in contrast to Gibbs' comments during yesterday's press conference where he said that they would ask Portis how he felt in coming days and rely upon that to decide whether he'd play in the opener.
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Yeah, I'd rather have a direct quote.
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You can listen for yourself a redskins.com by clicking the Gibbs 9.1 link; he started talking about Portis at around 8:30 of that press conference.
 
Do we have any idea how Betts and Duckett would split time in week 1 if Portis is out? Or is just anyone's guess right now?

 
Steelers4Life said:
Do we have any idea how Betts and Duckett would split time in week 1 if Portis is out? Or is just anyone's guess right now?
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Duckett is so new to this offense that I think he's got to still be learning most of the offense. It seems clear that they've started him out learning short yardage. I would figure that Betts would get the bulk of the work week 1, and be spelled by Cartwright, with Duckett getting short yardage duty. Of the three, Betts is also by far the best receiver, and would be in on 2nd/3rd "and long" situations.
 
redman said:
Nigel Tufnel said:
redman said:
Just note that this is in contrast to Gibbs' comments during yesterday's press conference where he said that they would ask Portis how he felt in coming days and rely upon that to decide whether he'd play in the opener.
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Yeah, I'd rather have a direct quote.
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You can listen for yourself a redskins.com by clicking the Gibbs 9.1 link; he started talking about Portis at around 8:30 of that press conference.
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Just so you know, I was referring to wanting a direct quote of the "in serious doubt" reference. I wasn't doubting your comment.
 
Nigel Tufnel said:
redman said:
Nigel Tufnel said:
redman said:
Just note that this is in contrast to Gibbs' comments during yesterday's press conference where he said that they would ask Portis how he felt in coming days and rely upon that to decide whether he'd play in the opener.
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Yeah, I'd rather have a direct quote.
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You can listen for yourself a redskins.com by clicking the Gibbs 9.1 link; he started talking about Portis at around 8:30 of that press conference.
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Just so you know, I was referring to wanting a direct quote of the "in serious doubt" reference. I wasn't doubting your comment.
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No, no, I understood. I was just adding more info for everyone's benefit. :thumbup:
 
fsufan said:
dickey moe said:
All you Portis owners still optimistic?Pick him up in Round 1 at your own risk. I think he's a mid-late 2nd Round pick at best.
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I have a draft on Sunday. With this info how far will he fall?
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I don't think this changes anything . . . for the moment. I've already slid him to around RB8-10 given the shoulder and Duckett's arrival and presumed role as the goalline RB. We already knew that his ability to play week 1 was in doubt, but that the team was hoping he could do it. This simply updates/confirms that situation. The problem is that with his injury, the team probably won't risk contact during practice and will have to test him during a game. We won't get much advance notice as to how he'll fare. I would hope that we'd start to see him practicing without restrictions fairly soon though.
 
chocolate bomber said:
fsufan said:
dickey moe said:
All you Portis owners still optimistic?Pick him up in Round 1 at your own risk. I think he's a mid-late 2nd Round pick at best.
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I have a draft on Sunday. With this info how far will he fall?
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I took him 15th overall in a 10tm non-PPR league Thursday night.
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At this point, I don't think he'll fall below his worst case scenario value (e.g. hurt all year due to recurrence of the injury, but I do think that he's tending to be drafted below where you'd put him assuming his injury affected him in 1-3 games as he and the team regained confidence in his ability to take hits, and Duckett took over the goalline work. In other words, if you're convinced that he'll be fine within the first couple of weeks and you're drafting in the last half of your 12-team or greater league's first round, I'd think strongly about taking him if he's there.
 
I passed on Rudi for Portis and I am a Bengals fan. Hopefully this injury doesnt linger, because I think Portis is poised for a huge year.

 
azngangster said:
I passed on Rudi for Portis and I am a Bengals fan. Hopefully this injury doesnt linger, because I think Portis is poised for a huge year.
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Before his injury and before Duckett arrived Portis was my #4 RB. Now...he has dropped quite a bit. That is why having the draft as late as possible is a good thing.
 
From The Washington Post this morning:

Portis Still Uncertain

Gibbs said he believes that most of the Redskins' injured starters will be ready for the Sept. 11 opener against Minnesota, with running back Clinton Portis and cornerback Shawn Springs the possible exceptions. They are both recovering from long-term injuries, while defensive linemen Renaldo Wynn (ankle), Cornelius Griffin (knee), Phillip Daniels (back) and Demetric Evans (tooth) are further along in their recovery.

"With the exception of Clinton and Shawn, we kind of know what we've got with everybody else there," Gibbs said. "I think most of our other guys will be ready to roll; they should be, hopefully by that time. I know our defensive linemen think they're going to be ready to go."

Springs is rehabbing from abdominal surgery and could miss several weeks of the season. Portis partially dislocated his left shoulder in the first preseason game and has not practiced since, but has been pointing toward playing in the Monday night opener.
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Given this information, if you were a Portis owner, which of these two would you start as your RB2?

Duckett

D Rhodes

Edit to add: McGahee is my RB1

 
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Carter_Can_Fly said:
Pittsburgh United said:
Given this information, if you were a Portis owner, which of these two would you start as your RB2?DuckettD RhodesEdit to add: McGahee is my RB1
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Wrong place for this question but I would start Rhodes.
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:goodposting: Rhodes is the starter in Indy unless/until Addai proves capable of carrying the load. Duckett is the goalline back until he learns enough of the offense to start . . . assuming of course that Portis can't play.
 
TeddyKGB said:
From The Wahington Post this morning:

Portis Still Uncertain

Gibbs said he believes that most of the Redskins' injured starters will be ready for the Sept. 11 opener against Minnesota, with running back Clinton Portis and cornerback Shawn Springs the possible exceptions. They are both recovering from long-term injuries, while defensive linemen Renaldo Wynn (ankle), Cornelius Griffin (knee), Phillip Daniels (back) and Demetric Evans (tooth) are further along in their recovery.

"With the exception of Clinton and Shawn, we kind of know what we've got with everybody else there," Gibbs said. "I think most of our other guys will be ready to roll; they should be, hopefully by that time. I know our defensive linemen think they're going to be ready to go."

Springs is rehabbing from abdominal surgery and could miss several weeks of the season. Portis partially dislocated his left shoulder in the first preseason game and has not practiced since, but has been pointing toward playing in the Monday night opener.
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This quote leads doesn't lead me to believe Portis is "doubtful."
 
I'm not sweating... I took Portis at 1.5 in my local (drafted before the injury) and picked up Betts for insurance. I also took Fragile Fred, K Jones and D Rhodes. If I have to wait until week 3 to start Portis, no biggy. In fact, I hope he's held out until he's 101%. As long as he's playing at FF playoff time, I will still be happy with the pick.

 
redman said:
fsufan said:
dickey moe said:
All you Portis owners still optimistic?Pick him up in Round 1 at your own risk. I think he's a mid-late 2nd Round pick at best.
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I have a draft on Sunday. With this info how far will he fall?
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I don't think this changes anything . . . for the moment. I've already slid him to around RB8-10 given the shoulder and Duckett's arrival and presumed role as the goalline RB. We already knew that his ability to play week 1 was in doubt, but that the team was hoping he could do it. This simply updates/confirms that situation. The problem is that with his injury, the team probably won't risk contact during practice and will have to test him during a game. We won't get much advance notice as to how he'll fare. I would hope that we'd start to see him practicing without restrictions fairly soon though.
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How is Portis still in "RB8-10" range given all of the information available? The arrival of Duckett as the goalline/change of pace back should have knocked Portis to RB6-8 by itself. With the shoulder injury, and the increasing probability that Portis will miss week 1 (7.5% of the regular season), how can Portis still be mentioned in the top 10?I strongly disagree with those who are only slightly discounting Portis' value due to the shoulder injury and subsequent aquisition of Duckett. I had Portis as a firm #4 early in the summer, but with the possibility of missed games and a lingering sore shoulder and the reality that Portis is going to lose 3-5 TDs to Duckett at the goalline, I don't think prudent drafters have Portis on their board in round 1.
 
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tommyGunZ said:
redman said:
fsufan said:
dickey moe said:
All you Portis owners still optimistic?Pick him up in Round 1 at your own risk. I think he's a mid-late 2nd Round pick at best.
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I have a draft on Sunday. With this info how far will he fall?
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I don't think this changes anything . . . for the moment. I've already slid him to around RB8-10 given the shoulder and Duckett's arrival and presumed role as the goalline RB. We already knew that his ability to play week 1 was in doubt, but that the team was hoping he could do it. This simply updates/confirms that situation. The problem is that with his injury, the team probably won't risk contact during practice and will have to test him during a game. We won't get much advance notice as to how he'll fare. I would hope that we'd start to see him practicing without restrictions fairly soon though.
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How is Portis still in "RB8-10" range given all of the information available? The arrival of Duckett as the goalline/change of pace back should have knocked Portis to RB6-8 by itself. With the shoulder injury, and the increasing probability that Portis will miss week 1 (7.5% of the regular season), how can Portis still be mentioned in the top 10?I strongly disagree with those who are only slightly discounting Portis' value due to the shoulder injury and subsequent aquisition of Duckett. I had Portis as a firm #4 early in the summer, but with the possibility of missed games and a lingering sore shoulder and the reality that Portis is going to lose 3-5 TDs to Duckett at the goalline, I don't think prudent drafters have Portis on their board in round 1.
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:goodposting: with the 9th pick I got him with the 16th spot overall 2nd round 4th pick is about right with some upside that thigs are better then everyone is thinking it will be
 
If you draft Portis, I would look at the worst case he doesn't play for 3 weeks, the question is if you take him in the first round and he doesn't play for 3 weeks whats your record 0-3, 1-2, depends on your draft. Personally, he's too big risk at this point, in my league we play division games the first 3 weeks (we have 3 divisions with 4 teams each) I like to start out fast, as division games are tie breakers. He looks like a good value late 2nd or early 3rd round.

 
Gopher State said:
If you draft Portis, I would look at the worst case he doesn't play for 3 weeks, the question is if you take him in the first round and he doesn't play for 3 weeks whats your record 0-3, 1-2, depends on your draft. Personally, he's too big risk at this point, in my league we play division games the first 3 weeks (we have 3 divisions with 4 teams each) I like to start out fast, as division games are tie breakers. He looks like a good value late 2nd or early 3rd round.
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:goodposting: Awesome point about the division games start the first 3 weeks.Same for me...I didn't think about that but I still think 16th overall is worth it but now I will have to think about how that effects the first 3 weeks.A guy in my league picked a tream with all byes in the 3rd week and the first thing I said was why pick the week when you have a division game to dump.so anyway I love your point :goodposting:
 
The thing is..... tell me what RB doesn't have risk after the top three? Barber could lose a LOT more touches to Jacobs. S Jackson could lose goal line touches to Davis. I see risk with all of them, which is why I'm not regretting Portis at 1.5. JJ, Lewis, Fast Willie, Caddy, Brown, Dillon, Dunn, Foster, Denver, T Jones, Houston, Dallas... They all have question marks, except for perhaps Jordan, but what to expect from Oakland this year? Portis is still a solid mid to late round pick. I say he's still a late top ten choice.

 
Rovers said:
The thing is..... tell me what RB doesn't have risk after the top three? Barber could lose a LOT more touches to Jacobs. S Jackson could lose goal line touches to Davis. I see risk with all of them, which is why I'm not regretting Portis at 1.5. JJ, Lewis, Fast Willie, Caddy, Brown, Dillon, Dunn, Foster, Denver, T Jones, Houston, Dallas... They all have question marks, except for perhaps Jordan, but what to expect from Oakland this year? Portis is still a solid mid to late round pick. I say he's still a late top ten choice.
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Because all of those guys arent listed as doubtful for week one
 
Shermanator said:
Rovers said:
The thing is..... tell me what RB doesn't have risk after the top three? Barber could lose a LOT more touches to Jacobs. S Jackson could lose goal line touches to Davis. I see risk with all of them, which is why I'm not regretting Portis at 1.5. JJ, Lewis, Fast Willie, Caddy, Brown, Dillon, Dunn, Foster, Denver, T Jones, Houston, Dallas... They all have question marks, except for perhaps Jordan, but what to expect from Oakland this year? Portis is still a solid mid to late round pick. I say he's still a late top ten choice.
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Because all of those guys arent listed as doubtful for week one
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neither is Portis...yet
 
Rovers said:
The thing is..... tell me what RB doesn't have risk after the top three? Barber could lose a LOT more touches to Jacobs. S Jackson could lose goal line touches to Davis. I see risk with all of them, which is why I'm not regretting Portis at 1.5. JJ, Lewis, Fast Willie, Caddy, Brown, Dillon, Dunn, Foster, Denver, T Jones, Houston, Dallas... They all have question marks, except for perhaps Jordan, but what to expect from Oakland this year? Portis is still a solid mid to late round pick. I say he's still a late top ten choice.
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but not Rudi & Ronnie thats why these guy have awesome value when the drop to you in the middle or late first.
 
This crap about Portis falling out of the 1st round is ridiculous.

Everyone who gets him at 2nd round value is going to win thier league because of it.

Duckett is not going to take more goal line ops away from Portis than he had filchered from the likes of Sellers and comapany last year. The are still running the KC offense which funnels most of the plays especialy at the goal line to the feature Rb.

This is an example of why I am glad I dont pick late in the season. Chicken little is on the loose and Portis is being drafted way way too low.

He has missed games before and still finished a top 12 Rb.

The only drawback of his shoulder injury is not being able to deliver as strong a stiff arm as he normaly would. It wont effect how he runs.

The Deadskins are not going anywhere without Portis and I am pretty sure they know it. Maybe he doesen't play this week but I see nothing definitive about that yet. And if he does sit this week then I expect he will be back for week 2.

 
Biabreakable said:
This crap about Portis falling out of the 1st round is ridiculous.Everyone who gets him at 2nd round value is going to win thier league because of it.Duckett is not going to take more goal line ops away from Portis than he had filchered from the likes of Sellers and comapany last year. The are still running the KC offense which funnels most of the plays especialy at the goal line to the feature Rb.This is an example of why I am glad I dont pick late in the season. Chicken little is on the loose and Portis is being drafted way way too low.He has missed games before and still finished a top 12 Rb.The only drawback of his shoulder injury is not being able to deliver as strong a stiff arm as he normaly would. It wont effect how he runs.The Deadskins are not going anywhere without Portis and I am pretty sure they know it. Maybe he doesen't play this week but I see nothing definitive about that yet. And if he does sit this week then I expect he will be back for week 2.
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Dreaming never won a FF championship yet.. :rolleyes:
 
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