zamboni
Footballguy
You're probably right.In fact, I'll be willing to grab him off waivers at the expense of some scrub WR. Despite his shortcomings, when his ex-offensive coordinator signs him one day after he's cut, it's worth keeping an eye on.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
There seems to be this attitude around here since the breaking of this news that the prospect of Dayne being the starter in Houston is laughable. I think that this thought is equally as laughable. Lundy and Morency really have not done much. Lundy is the starter today, and, as you all are aware, was a 6th round pick. The point is, while he is the "starter" today, the idea that he's so locked in that Dayne could not possibly dislodge him is a mistake.
While it's true that Dayne is a Denver outcast, obviously Kubiak does not think Dayne is as useless as everyone thinks. He is a veteran, knows the system, and while it's true he blew his big chance in Denver, it is also true that this had as much to do with his injury and him missing much of the pre-season as it did a lack of performance on the field. If you recall Mike Bell was named the starter after PRACTICE before any pre-season games were played.
I'm not a Dayne owner, I'm not a Dayne supporter. I actually own Lundy in one league and would love for him to work out. But I think we're all kidding ourselves here if we don't even CONSIDER the possibility of Dayne overcoming Lundy should he falter and becoming the starter.
Just my
While it's true that Dayne is a Denver outcast, obviously Kubiak does not think Dayne is as useless as everyone thinks. He is a veteran, knows the system, and while it's true he blew his big chance in Denver, it is also true that this had as much to do with his injury and him missing much of the pre-season as it did a lack of performance on the field. If you recall Mike Bell was named the starter after PRACTICE before any pre-season games were played.
I'm not a Dayne owner, I'm not a Dayne supporter. I actually own Lundy in one league and would love for him to work out. But I think we're all kidding ourselves here if we don't even CONSIDER the possibility of Dayne overcoming Lundy should he falter and becoming the starter.
Just my
You'd be nuts to drop either for Dayne. That would be like believing all along that Antowain Smith would be the starter. The guys have the talent. Now, I do advise trying to trade Lundy/Morency to the Dom Davis owner. I just traded both for Tony Gonzalez and Santonio Holmes. I could have traded Mike Bell instead, but I didn't like the idea of them taking up more than one roster spot.
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ffchamp1
Footballguy
Dayne was cut for a very good reason.He was signed because HOU had no third RBIf Dayne had anything more to offer, he would have beaten out Cedric CobbsTom
Slingblade
Footballguy
Ron Dayne? lmao 
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Dude, get your old, hypnotic avatar back, pronto.Ron Dayne? lmao
But given enough time, could Dayne move ahead of Morency?Absolutely postively definitely not!!!!!!! Do I have to go through this crap again!!!!! Ron Dayne Suuuuuuuuccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would you people shut the Fvk up and listen !!!!!!! ANY GIANTS FAN WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING!!!!! RON DAYNE IS A FAT DOUGHY TURD!!!!!!! HE IS NOT A SHORT YARDAGE BACK HE IS NOT A GOAL LINE BACK HE IS NOT AN NFL BACK!!!!! He will fail as a RB and he will be cut as soon as Houston attempts to use him as a short yardage or goal line back!
Please don't ever use Ron Dayne and slim in the same sentence.If there is any team, other than Denver, where Dayne could do some damage, it is Houston. But I'm with you, the odds of Dayne winning the job are slim to none.LOL at the FF players pimpin Dayne again
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Please don't ever use Ron Dayne and slim in the same sentence.If there is any team, other than Denver, where Dayne could do some damage, it is Houston. But I'm with you, the odds of Dayne winning the job are slim to none.LOL at the FF players pimpin Dayne again
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Short yardage and veteren presence...3rd in line..the only person who should worry is morency but only until he gets kubiaks running style down pat. Insurance only,nothing to see here.
Excellent advice - if the formerly D. Davis owner wasn't a guppy of the 1st degree.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
Texans needed a vet RB, Dayne knows the system....
Big Score
Footballguy
bentley
Footballguy
They got to you too?I'm fairly certain this signing is a.
Brassmonkey71
Footballguy
YES!!!
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Vernand Morency - RB - Texans Vernand Morency is expected to remain Houston's No. 2 back for now. Despite the acquisition of Ron Dayne, Morency is still worth grabbing in the late rounds of fantasy drafts. If Wali Lundy gets hurt or isn't productive in the early part of the season, Morency could get a shot to start.Sep. 3 - 10:05 p.m. ET Source: ESPN.com
tomarken
Footballguy
Hmm...but what does this do to Reggie Bush's value?They got to you too?I'm fairly certain this signing is a
coolnerd
Footballguy
Kubiak has consistently stated that the two players will split carries.
That is a paraphrase rather than a quote, right? I remember him saying that both players would get carries, but I certainly don't think he stated that it would be 50-50 (or close to it). But maybe you've seen something I haven't.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't know why it's so laughable/beyond the realm of comprehension that Dayne could cut into Lundy/Morency's production. Kubiak has spent more time with Dayne than either of those guys and the fact that he brought him on board is a sign of what he thinks of him. Wasn't Dayne just highly ranked in the offseason by a number of reputable posters/staff and people bought it, but he got injured, Mike Bell came from nowhere and Dayne is cut. Besides, who are Lundy/Morency? It's not as if they are proven commodities by any stretch. This will get interesting....
Banger
Footballguy
Obviously the coach of the Texans and his offensive coordinator from last year disagrees with your analysis.
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Just another
coolnerd
Footballguy
All of his quotes on the situation have read like this onehttp://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.p...20Latest%20News
No, he has not laid out a ratio of Lundy to Morency carries, nor has Kubiak made Lundy into this starter who can not lose his job. From hearing and seeing this all over the place my feeling (no proof) is that it will smell alot like Anderson/Bell from last year, but with more of a chance that Morency and/or Dayne could unseat Lundy. Honestly, I don't think Kubiak has a clear answer as to the number of carries each will get.
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That's Ok ... I heard the same thing about Shannahan knowing a hell of a lot more about RBs than me. But I bet you Shannan and Kubiak didn't watch every Giant game that Dayne played in or they would not be talking nonsense about having a bruiser and big strong goal line back in Dayne.
Having never seen Wali Lundy or Vernand Morency play ... I would be willing to bet my house that both are better short yardage / goalline backs than StayPuff Dayne.
Banger
Footballguy
I;m pretty sure they watched his game films before they signed him (Denver). Believe me, I'm not a big Dayne supporter and never have been but apparently the HC of the Texans is.
Is Ron Dayne a Bruiser? Does Ron Dayne pound the ball? How could he possibly watch game film and make those comments? Shannahan was a big fan to until he saw him regularly run the ball.
Otis
Footballguy
I've seen it around, thought I'd give it a try. It's ok.They got to you too?I'm fairly certain this signing is a
Dayne has one rookie and one second year back to compete with. He was also picked up by someone who coached him last season--saw him practice within his system through an entire year and decided he showed enough to warrant adding him to the team he now coaches.
With that being the case, I think you can expect Dayne to get at least 100 carries this season and possibly in the 175-225 range. A lot will depend on how productive Lundy can be and wether or not Dayne can be relied on to carry the ball 15-20 times a game. I may be wrong, but I'd definetly think he immediately, or eventually takes over Morencey's spot as the #2 RB.
If Lundy struggles, or Dayne simply performs better, I'd say he becomes the starter within the first 3-6 weeks, but Lundy would still see time in the backfield. It's most likely going to be some form of RBBC all year long regardless of who the starter is.
With that being the case, I think you can expect Dayne to get at least 100 carries this season and possibly in the 175-225 range. A lot will depend on how productive Lundy can be and wether or not Dayne can be relied on to carry the ball 15-20 times a game. I may be wrong, but I'd definetly think he immediately, or eventually takes over Morencey's spot as the #2 RB.
If Lundy struggles, or Dayne simply performs better, I'd say he becomes the starter within the first 3-6 weeks, but Lundy would still see time in the backfield. It's most likely going to be some form of RBBC all year long regardless of who the starter is.
OneEastRiver
Footballguy
Wow 200ish carries is more than ambitious for Dayne. Major longshot, but I like your thinking.
Let's go Ron! Denver and New York didn't know how to use you.
Instead of getting the best college running back from 2002-2005 (Bush), the texans are getting the best college running back from 1996-2000.
Love it -- but won't own Dayne on any of my teams.
Let's go Ron! Denver and New York didn't know how to use you.
Instead of getting the best college running back from 2002-2005 (Bush), the texans are getting the best college running back from 1996-2000.
Love it -- but won't own Dayne on any of my teams.
elponderosa
Footballguy
Houston Chronicle is reporting that Dayne will be used in goal line situations. That would make him somewhat valuable in my book, especially for deeper leagues. Here's the quote from yahoo
Sep 3 John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans plan to use RB Ron Dayne in both short-yardage and goal-line situations.
And here's the link to the actual story: http://www.houstonchronicle.com/disp/story...nt/4160978.html
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FFdork
Footballguy
I don't get why the Texans/Kubiak/this beat reporter/whoever think Dayne will be the short yardage specialist. He seems like he should be one when you look at his size, but that's not really his running style...it's been tried before and it didn't really work out. This signing makes a lot of sense for depth. It's not inconceivable that he could steal carries or even be given a chance to start at some point given the situation, but color me pessimistic. I wouldn't move Lundy much on your board (he shoudn't be that high to start with to represent value). IMO it's a lot better news for Lundy owners then the Texans making a trade for a more proven back and totally mucking up the situation.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Until they realize hes a horrible short yardage runner. You would think Kubiak knows that.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Well your thinking is back firing on you.......Dayne just left the exact same situation(almost)in denver....he was competing with a rookie and a 3rd year guy and still was last on the depth chart.....there`s a reason he was cut,and don`t say because of his injury,if it`s that bad he would`nt pass a phyical and make another team.
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Mapmaker
Footballguy
Pure speculation on my part but ...... there's a rumour down at the Hostess shipping dock that a tractor trailer load of Hostess Twinkies has been diverted enroute from an undisclosed destination to Houston Texas ... said delivery was requested by a G.Kubiak c/o Houston Texans
taz
Footballguy
Here's what John McClain of the Houston Chronicle wrote in his blog (where he can offer more speculation/analysis than in a news story:
And from Kubiak:
Face it: The Texans are going nowhere this year, Kubiak knows Dayne, Dayne knows the system, they were down to two (very raw) RBs, and it's not exactly like Morency's been the model of durability so far. Dayne's just an insurance policy, who'll ease some of the short-yardage load of the much smaller Lundy/Morency.Look at it objectively, and it's not a bad move by Kubiak.
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How many "red zone" or "short yardage" situations will even arise for the hapless Texan offense? Dayne may not have to stretch much before the game........if he can even touch his toes anymore, that is.
At 16.2 points/game last year, they were near the bottom (5 lower than them). Also near the bottom with 9 rushing TDs. Even IF the O-line is better, and Kubiak makes a difference, dividing a small number by a few people doesn't leave much.
At 16.2 points/game last year, they were near the bottom (5 lower than them). Also near the bottom with 9 rushing TDs. Even IF the O-line is better, and Kubiak makes a difference, dividing a small number by a few people doesn't leave much.
pghrob
Footballguy
Basically Ron Dayne = Antowain Smith - 6 years. That is still Bupkus.
Otis
Footballguy
I don't disagree. As much a bum as Dayne is, it makes sense to bring in an inexpensive guy who knows the system now that you've lost Dom Davis to the IR.That said, the smart money is on Dayne failing/having a negligible impact (both from football and fantasy perspectives).taz said:
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CrossEyed
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So much for Dayne being brought in to be a starter.
