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Against a team that allowed 400 yards & 23 points week 1 (5.7 yards/play) and 475 yards & 40 points week 2 (6.5 yards/play), Miami wasn't even able to break 300 yards and only scored 13 (4.3 yards/play). The Miami offense has looked* terrible (*based on the box scores), and from the game descriptions it sounds like the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the OL.

If this poor play continues, I would expect that all the fantasy positions should take a ranking hit of at least 10 spots from the opening rank, making Ronnie a startable #2 RB, Chambers a good #3 WR, and McMichael & Culpepper waiver-wire fodder.

Can the Miami OL turn their forunes around and start pass-blocking and run blocking?

 
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:

1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.

2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.

3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.

 
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
 
All of their problems are a result of terrible Oline play.

Ronnie Brown is getting hit in the backfield and fighting for every inch it seems. CPepp has no time to throw let alone looking for secondary WR's.

It's still early and they should come around esp. with the Texans, Pats, Jets and Packers coming before the bye week. Hopefully Houck can whip them into shape sooner rather than later.

 
ooofffaaa said:
All of their problems are a result of terrible Oline play.Ronnie Brown is getting hit in the backfield and fighting for every inch it seems. CPepp has no time to throw let alone looking for secondary WR's.It's still early and they should come around esp. with the Texans, Pats, Jets and Packers coming before the bye week. Hopefully Houck can whip them into shape sooner rather than later.
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:goodposting: The guard position is in total shambles right now and that is a large reason the offensive line is struggling horribly at this moment. They need to keep the players they do have healthy from this point on and then I believe Hudson Houck will be able to work his magic to get this unit to improve. The Dolphins have a shot to improve as the season wears on but the prognosis is bleak to say this least until (IF) the OL starts to play better than they are.
 
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2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.
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This is my biggest criticism after watching 2 of the Phins first 3 games. Ronnie Brown has outstanding hands (he catches everything thrown his way with ease and doesn't slow down, he snatches the ball like it's second nature) but Culpepper is not looking his way nearly enough. Week 1: Brown had 3 catches for 30+ yards in the first half, then no more throws his way the rest of the game. :thumbdown: Week 2: Looked great catching the rock; 6 receptions for 50+ yards.Week 3: Caught a ball on the first drive, and then only caught 1 more the entire game. :thumbdown: Culpepper should be throwing to Brown 3-4 times per game by design, and another 3-4 times on checkdowns. I blame Dante and the OC.
 
They need to use their TE for dump offs.. Pepper is looking one way and thats it... O line is bad they can play better even with the troubles

 
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It'll be like this until C-Pepp gets 100% healthy.

They had a GREAT highlight of how C-Pepp's game (including the accuracy of his throws) comes from his legs - and he is not using them right now.

He can't outrun a DLineman and stretch a play out like he used to - and he is not fully stepping into his throws.

Add on the fact that the OL can't blow open any holes for RB, and it may be a while this year before the Dolphins' players are really top notch. I stick with my preseason prediction - wait for an owner to be losing and getting frustrated and trade for Dolphin players. IMO, by week 8 or so, C-Pepp will be healthy, the OL will have congealed a bit mre under Hauck's teachings, and the Dolphins offense will be clicking.

 
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.
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This is my biggest criticism after watching 2 of the Phins first 3 games. Ronnie Brown has outstanding hands (he catches everything thrown his way with ease and doesn't slow down, he snatches the ball like it's second nature) but Culpepper is not looking his way nearly enough. Week 1: Brown had 3 catches for 30+ yards in the first half, then no more throws his way the rest of the game. :thumbdown: Week 2: Looked great catching the rock; 6 receptions for 50+ yards.Week 3: Caught a ball on the first drive, and then only caught 1 more the entire game. :thumbdown: Culpepper should be throwing to Brown 3-4 times per game by design, and another 3-4 times on checkdowns. I blame Dante and the OC.
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Agreed - I predicted 45+ catches from RB this year (he's on pace for better than that, actually, but you are right that they are going away from him in the passing game too early).
 
The most surprising thing to me this season is how bad he has been. i was very high on Cpepp before the season, and now it appears I was simply high. I thought the Dolphins would win 12 games AND the Super Bowl this year. Going to have to make some changes if that's going to happen...

 
Colin Dowling said:
I thought the Dolphins would win 12 games AND the Super Bowl this year.
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You & me both... but like I said, at this rate they won't even make a wildcard birth.I thought this was the same line as last year, but I was way off...RT - Carey played all last yearRG - Anderson was new, then lost for the season, I don't even know who's starting there now.C - Hadnot who started for the Dolphins the past 2 years, but I think McKinney was supposed to be their starter...LG - James started all last 3 yearsRT - Shelton is new, but supposed to be good.Overall, Cary, Hadnot and James are all veterans. The loss at RG really hurts, and Shelton is new, but supposed to be a strong player. Is the loss of Anderson so devastating that their entire line blows? Or are the people (Hadnot & James in particular) just not that good? If it's the second, then I don't think the Dolphins season will recover simply because it's been the same jokes trucking out there each Sunday with the same results...
 
IIRC, Carey's in his third year - and played guard all through college.

Shelton played for the Cards for years - he's a vet.

It is essentially the same - or improved - OL except for the RG spot, which has been a problem. Carey needs someone with experience between him and the center.

 
P.S. - Mike Mularky may call the most predictable run plays ever, so this may be part of the problem.

 
Marc Levin said:
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It'll be like this until C-Pepp gets 100% healthy.

They had a GREAT highlight of how C-Pepp's game (including the accuracy of his throws) comes from his legs - and he is not using them right now.

He can't outrun a DLineman and stretch a play out like he used to - and he is not fully stepping into his throws.

Add on the fact that the OL can't blow open any holes for RB, and it may be a while this year before the Dolphins' players are really top notch. I stick with my preseason prediction - wait for an owner to be losing and getting frustrated and trade for Dolphin players. IMO, by week 8 or so, C-Pepp will be healthy, the OL will have congealed a bit mre under Hauck's teachings, and the Dolphins offense will be clicking.
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Given the way he looked before his injury last year, how confident are you that it will get better? Better yet, why?
 
2 players that I avoided in every draft and I was certain of being not worth their ADP were Ronnie Brown and Caddy. Could not have been more correct.

Where are those Ronnie Brown apologists now? First it was just preseason, then it was the Steelers defense....now what are you going to say after the Tenn match up?

 
Being a MN homer, your seeing the Pepper that we were glad to see leave. It was more Moss making Pepper looking good, then Pepper having the skills to be a good QB.

 
Run-blocking? Some of the worst I have ever seen. This Hauck needs to start working his magic, asap, but I don't see it happening with the piss-poor talent the Miami GM has assembled at every position on the OL>

 
Marc Levin said:
:rant:They had a GREAT highlight of how C-Pepp's game (including the accuracy of his throws) comes from his legs - and he is not using them right now.He can't outrun a DLineman and stretch a play out like he used to - and he is not fully stepping into his throws.
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Attention Mike Vick. take notes, this is your future. To be a great QB for years requires more than just a set of legs. As a matter of fact, that is way down on the totem pole. C-pep peaked with Moss and it's all down hill from here.Only a few QB's can put up big #'s year over year and I have 2 of them. Favre/Eli.
 
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Sweetness_34 said:
2 players that I avoided in every draft and I was certain of being not worth their ADP were Ronnie Brown and Caddy. Could not have been more correct. Where are those Ronnie Brown apologists now? First it was just preseason, then it was the Steelers defense....now what are you going to say after the Tenn match up?
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Houck will get it together and that line will greatly improve as the season goes on. One thing you cannot question is Houck's reputation for putting together a solid run blocking line. There have been a lot of injuries to this point that you could not have predicted in the preseason which have set back the chemistry there.C-Pep sucks, and so does Mularkey, but I have faith and Houck and Saban to at least get the running game back on track. Ronnie is still top 10 RB in my league for points scored. Not bad considering that's right around his ADP. In PPR leagues he is catching a good amount of balls so he's not a disappointment there either. His YPC is definetly disappointing, but like I said before, Houck can get this line back on track.
 
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
 
lod2005 said:
Marc Levin said:
:rant:They had a GREAT highlight of how C-Pepp's game (including the accuracy of his throws) comes from his legs - and he is not using them right now.He can't outrun a DLineman and stretch a play out like he used to - and he is not fully stepping into his throws.
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Attention Mike Vick. take notes, this is your future. To be a great QB for years requires more than just a set of legs. As a matter of fact, that is way down on the totem pole. C-pep peaked with Moss and it's all down hill from here.Only a few QB's can put up big #'s year over year and I have 2 of them. Favre/Eli.
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Agreed, both of them are INT machines.
 
Sweetness_34 said:
2 players that I avoided in every draft and I was certain of being not worth their ADP were Ronnie Brown and Caddy. Could not have been more correct. Where are those Ronnie Brown apologists now? First it was just preseason, then it was the Steelers defense....now what are you going to say after the Tenn match up?
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Ronnie Brown currently tied for RB5 in my PPR league. Apologize for what?
 
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
 
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
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Thanks for doing the math on that. Ronnie is good.
 
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
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You consider those to be "elite" stats? With regard to just stats, you gotta get up near 2000 yards for me to consider him elite.But since I was talking about elite skills, I'll just say that he has good NFL skills especially in the passing game. As for his running skills, he has seemed to be a pretty straight-line runner to me so far. Good but nothing special.
 
Synthesizer said:
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
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You consider those to be "elite" stats? With regard to just stats, you gotta get up near 2000 yards for me to consider him elite.But since I was talking about elite skills, I'll just say that he has good NFL skills especially in the passing game. As for his running skills, he has seemed to be a pretty straight-line runner to me so far. Good but nothing special.
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That's Ronnie's pace in what most people would consider an absolutely AWFUL start to the season for the Phins offense. If you expect any improvement from the offense as a whole, you have to believe Brown's numbers will improve.1500 total yrds, 60 catches, and 11 TDs appears to be his floor. That's elite.
 
Ronnie Brown is a beast, no doubt about it. watching him catch a ball is sweetness also. it's a matter of time before he blows up.

 
Lemmiwinks said:
Sweetness_34 said:
2 players that I avoided in every draft and I was certain of being not worth their ADP were Ronnie Brown and Caddy. Could not have been more correct. Where are those Ronnie Brown apologists now? First it was just preseason, then it was the Steelers defense....now what are you going to say after the Tenn match up?
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Houck will get it together and that line will greatly improve as the season goes on. One thing you cannot question is Houck's reputation for putting together a solid run blocking line. There have been a lot of injuries to this point that you could not have predicted in the preseason which have set back the chemistry there.C-Pep sucks, and so does Mularkey, but I have faith and Houck and Saban to at least get the running game back on track. Ronnie is still top 10 RB in my league for points scored. Not bad considering that's right around his ADP. In PPR leagues he is catching a good amount of balls so he's not a disappointment there either. His YPC is definetly disappointing, but like I said before, Houck can get this line back on track.
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The only reason RB is even still in the top 10 is thanks to the 2 Bettis/Steven Davis type TD plunges against the Steelers. He will not be lucky to get those regularly.
 
Sweetness_34 said:
Lemmiwinks said:
Sweetness_34 said:
2 players that I avoided in every draft and I was certain of being not worth their ADP were Ronnie Brown and Caddy. Could not have been more correct. Where are those Ronnie Brown apologists now? First it was just preseason, then it was the Steelers defense....now what are you going to say after the Tenn match up?
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Houck will get it together and that line will greatly improve as the season goes on. One thing you cannot question is Houck's reputation for putting together a solid run blocking line. There have been a lot of injuries to this point that you could not have predicted in the preseason which have set back the chemistry there.C-Pep sucks, and so does Mularkey, but I have faith and Houck and Saban to at least get the running game back on track. Ronnie is still top 10 RB in my league for points scored. Not bad considering that's right around his ADP. In PPR leagues he is catching a good amount of balls so he's not a disappointment there either. His YPC is definetly disappointing, but like I said before, Houck can get this line back on track.
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The only reason RB is even still in the top 10 is thanks to the 2 Bettis/Steven Davis type TD plunges against the Steelers. He will not be lucky to get those regularly.
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:lmao: Is there a goal line vulture in Miami some of us don't know about? Are Suggs and Minor going to suddenly get the GL carries, even though they're smaller than Brown?Brown has 2 goal line touchdowns in 3 weeks. That's not freakishly high. In fact, I'd say his total number of GL carries in the past 3 weeks is actually low, b/c the Phins offense has been so putrid.
 
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tommyGunZ said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Lemmiwinks said:
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2 players that I avoided in every draft and I was certain of being not worth their ADP were Ronnie Brown and Caddy. Could not have been more correct. Where are those Ronnie Brown apologists now? First it was just preseason, then it was the Steelers defense....now what are you going to say after the Tenn match up?
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Houck will get it together and that line will greatly improve as the season goes on. One thing you cannot question is Houck's reputation for putting together a solid run blocking line. There have been a lot of injuries to this point that you could not have predicted in the preseason which have set back the chemistry there.C-Pep sucks, and so does Mularkey, but I have faith and Houck and Saban to at least get the running game back on track. Ronnie is still top 10 RB in my league for points scored. Not bad considering that's right around his ADP. In PPR leagues he is catching a good amount of balls so he's not a disappointment there either. His YPC is definetly disappointing, but like I said before, Houck can get this line back on track.
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The only reason RB is even still in the top 10 is thanks to the 2 Bettis/Steven Davis type TD plunges against the Steelers. He will not be lucky to get those regularly.
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:lmao: Is there a goal line vulture in Miami some of us don't know about? Are Suggs and Minor going to suddenly get the GL carries, even though they're smaller than Brown?Brown has 2 goal line touchdowns in 3 weeks. That's not freakishly high. In fact, I'd say his total number of GL carries in the past 3 weeks is actually low, b/c the Phins offense has been so putrid.
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Face it, Sweetness is on the war path and anything Brown does is worthless.I suppose we should stop counting short yardage TD's, huh buddy? RB will get more of those as the year goes on. He would have had another but got jobbed by the refs and a false start when C-Pep ran it in.Whatever Sweetness... go proclaim yourself as the man because Ronnie is not producing like LT. Tell me, would you rather have Brown, Tiki or SA at this point? I'll take Brown and I got him later than people took Tiki and SA.
 
Mungo Burrows said:
Marc Levin said:
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It'll be like this until C-Pepp gets 100% healthy.

They had a GREAT highlight of how C-Pepp's game (including the accuracy of his throws) comes from his legs - and he is not using them right now.

He can't outrun a DLineman and stretch a play out like he used to - and he is not fully stepping into his throws.

Add on the fact that the OL can't blow open any holes for RB, and it may be a while this year before the Dolphins' players are really top notch. I stick with my preseason prediction - wait for an owner to be losing and getting frustrated and trade for Dolphin players. IMO, by week 8 or so, C-Pepp will be healthy, the OL will have congealed a bit mre under Hauck's teachings, and the Dolphins offense will be clicking.
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Given the way he looked before his injury last year, how confident are you that it will get better? Better yet, why?
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I answered that in the next sentence.
 
#@%&$!? said:
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P.S. - Mike Mularky may call the most predictable run plays ever, so this may be part of the problem.
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I haven't followed miami much this season, can you elaborate a bit on this? TIA
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It looks like the cut back lane options have been eliminated - or else opposing defenses have been able to jump those gaps EVERY play - so that the point of attack of the Miami OL is the only place for the RB to go.At least that is the way it looks to me - there are no options except for the RB to take on the first tackler - no cutback, no option to bounce outside.
 
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There have been a lot of injuries to this point that you could not have predicted in the preseason which have set back the chemistry there.
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Only at RG - the rest of the OL is the same unit that opened TC. Offensive line personnel is not the problem - play calling and chemistry certainly are.
 
Lemmiwinks said:
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
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Thanks for doing the math on that. Ronnie is good.
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No - Ronnie is GREAT. I've watched him make 7 yard plays out of diddly plus squat - he runs THROUGH tackles. Whoever said he doesn't invent for himself has NOT watched the Dolphins play and is going off some vague feeling (or is a meathead).
 
Looking at their Schedule, especially their passing schedule and it appears that the next month is going to be a very easy schedule against for them. I am leaning heavily toward picking up Marty Booker at this point over Mark Clayton just because of this schedule.

This Article seems to hint at the same thing. I think the Phins are a buy low type of team right now.

 
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Looking at their Schedule, especially their passing schedule and it appears that the next month is going to be a very easy schedule against for them. I am leaning heavily toward picking up Marty Booker at this point over Mark Clayton just because of this schedule.

This Article seems to hint at the same thing. I think the Phins are a buy low type of team right now.
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:confused: Did I miss mention of either booker or the schedule?It was a nice blurb on mcmich, chambers, and c-pepp looking to go off this weekend b/c the Texans' pass d is last in the league. tx for the article, though.

Yeah, I think the offense will pick up. At least I hope so.

 
Marc Levin said:
Sabertooth said:
Looking at their Schedule, especially their passing schedule and it appears that the next month is going to be a very easy schedule against for them. I am leaning heavily toward picking up Marty Booker at this point over Mark Clayton just because of this schedule.

This Article seems to hint at the same thing. I think the Phins are a buy low type of team right now.
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:confused: Did I miss mention of either booker or the schedule?It was a nice blurb on mcmich, chambers, and c-pepp looking to go off this weekend b/c the Texans' pass d is last in the league. tx for the article, though.

Yeah, I think the offense will pick up. At least I hope so.
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The article hints at their passing game having a ripe matchup this week. Maybe I worded that badly. I think that with their SOS coming up, they will show some real improvement. The Texans are really getting gouged right now, and I think Miami could "get right" this weekend. I think Culpepper especially will be able to benefit from the weak Texans' D.
 
Marc Levin said:
Lemmiwinks said:
tommyGunZ said:
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SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
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Thanks for doing the math on that. Ronnie is good.
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No - Ronnie is GREAT. I've watched him make 7 yard plays out of diddly plus squat - he runs THROUGH tackles. Whoever said he doesn't invent for himself has NOT watched the Dolphins play and is going off some vague feeling (or is a meathead).
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I've watched the Dolphins play this year. Ronnie has 7 carries total that have gone for at least 7 yards. Which of those 7 carries has he created the yards himself?
 
Anyone that has watched any of the Miami games should have seen the number of times Brown has been hit in the backfield and continues to make positive yardage. The failure of the OLine and CPepp is what is contributing to low numbers.

TommyGunz wrote it best with the floor numbers for Brown. If the passing game was working, Brown would be in the top 3 by the end of the year, especially since LJ is starting slow and SA is now injured. He has great speed, great hands, and the ability to make things happen.

 
Synthesizer said:
I've watched the Dolphins play this year. Ronnie has 7 carries total that have gone for at least 7 yards. Which of those 7 carries has he created the yards himself?
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All seven.And if you watched the game today, you saw RBrown creating ALL on his own all day long. Like Saint said, if you aren't seeing it, you are not really watching the games.And 8-62 through the air is going to be COMMON numbers from RBrown.RBrown isn't good - he's GREAT. Best 1st round pick from the 'phins in a butt-long time.
 
Synthesizer said:
Marc Levin said:
Lemmiwinks said:
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
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Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
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Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
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Thanks for doing the math on that. Ronnie is good.
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No - Ronnie is GREAT. I've watched him make 7 yard plays out of diddly plus squat - he runs THROUGH tackles. Whoever said he doesn't invent for himself has NOT watched the Dolphins play and is going off some vague feeling (or is a meathead).
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I've watched the Dolphins play this year. Ronnie has 7 carries total that have gone for at least 7 yards. Which of those 7 carries has he created the yards himself?
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P.S. the vast majority of the times a back gets more than 7 yards, he created the yards himself. Usually by juking the LB or breaking a tackle. Dumb question.
 
Marc Levin said:
Synthesizer said:
I've watched the Dolphins play this year. Ronnie has 7 carries total that have gone for at least 7 yards. Which of those 7 carries has he created the yards himself?
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All seven.And if you watched the game today, you saw RBrown creating ALL on his own all day long. Like Saint said, if you aren't seeing it, you are not really watching the games.And 8-62 through the air is going to be COMMON numbers from RBrown.RBrown isn't good - he's GREAT. Best 1st round pick from the 'phins in a butt-long time.
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Well said. He is getting decent numbers in a performance league with NO help from the passing game and NO blocking. Think of the possibilities if and when the O-Line helps out a little. And aside from when the play calls him to smash into a line with no holes he does not go down at first contact. He makes yards the old fashioned way.
 
tommyGunZ said:
Sweetness_34 said:
2 players that I avoided in every draft and I was certain of being not worth their ADP were Ronnie Brown and Caddy. Could not have been more correct. Where are those Ronnie Brown apologists now? First it was just preseason, then it was the Steelers defense....now what are you going to say after the Tenn match up?
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Ronnie Brown currently tied for RB5 in my PPR league. Apologize for what?
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:shrug:
 
Sabertooth said:
Marc Levin said:
Sabertooth said:
Looking at their Schedule, especially their passing schedule and it appears that the next month is going to be a very easy schedule against for them. I am leaning heavily toward picking up Marty Booker at this point over Mark Clayton just because of this schedule.

This Article seems to hint at the same thing. I think the Phins are a buy low type of team right now.
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:confused: Did I miss mention of either booker or the schedule?It was a nice blurb on mcmich, chambers, and c-pepp looking to go off this weekend b/c the Texans' pass d is last in the league. tx for the article, though.

Yeah, I think the offense will pick up. At least I hope so.
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The article hints at their passing game having a ripe matchup this week. Maybe I worded that badly. I think that with their SOS coming up, they will show some real improvement. The Texans are really getting gouged right now, and I think Miami could "get right" this weekend. I think Culpepper especially will be able to benefit from the weak Texans' D.
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I used the same logic as noted above and started Culpepper with confidence. Didn't get the game here, but ugh. Looked like another stinky loaf from the Miami O. Is it all the O-line at this point? Culpepper really that bad? Brown's receiving numbers were his saving grace. . .
 
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
Click to expand...
Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
Click to expand...
Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
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Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
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You consider those to be "elite" stats? With regard to just stats, you gotta get up near 2000 yards for me to consider him elite.But since I was talking about elite skills, I'll just say that he has good NFL skills especially in the passing game. As for his running skills, he has seemed to be a pretty straight-line runner to me so far. Good but nothing special.
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That's Ronnie's pace in what most people would consider an absolutely AWFUL start to the season for the Phins offense. If you expect any improvement from the offense as a whole, you have to believe Brown's numbers will improve.1500 total yrds, 60 catches, and 11 TDs appears to be his floor. That's elite.
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The jynx is on.
 
Marc Levin said:
Synthesizer said:
Marc Levin said:
Lemmiwinks said:
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
Click to expand...
Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
Click to expand...
Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
Click to expand...
Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
Click to expand...
Thanks for doing the math on that. Ronnie is good.
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No - Ronnie is GREAT. I've watched him make 7 yard plays out of diddly plus squat - he runs THROUGH tackles. Whoever said he doesn't invent for himself has NOT watched the Dolphins play and is going off some vague feeling (or is a meathead).
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I've watched the Dolphins play this year. Ronnie has 7 carries total that have gone for at least 7 yards. Which of those 7 carries has he created the yards himself?
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P.S. the vast majority of the times a back gets more than 7 yards, he created the yards himself. Usually by juking the LB or breaking a tackle. Dumb question.
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You were the one that said he was so great that he creates 7 yard runs for himself. I disagree with that assessment of his running skills. He's now on pace for 950 yards rushing which is far less than elite IMO.
 
Synthesizer said:
Marc Levin said:
Synthesizer said:
Marc Levin said:
Lemmiwinks said:
tommyGunZ said:
Synthesizer said:
SteelerMurf said:
Synthesizer said:
My top 3 reasons the offense is terrible right now:

1. O-line doesn't get any push on running plays. Pass blocking is pretty bad as well. Luckily the Dolphins have run a bunch of end-arounds for good yardage or their numbers would be even worse.

2. Culpepper is really really bad. He locks onto his first read and if that isn't open, he looks right at the pash rush and ends up getting sacked. And even if he does release the ball to his first option, it's usually not on target.

3. R.Brown doesn't make things happen for himself. He seems to be one of those guys who needs a hole in front of him in order to get more than 3 yards. If there isn't an obvious hole, then he just falls forward into the line for a yard or 2.
Click to expand...
Almost every RB in the NFL needs a hole to gain 3 yards. I can probably change that to 98% of RBs in the NFL need a hole to gain 3 yards.
Click to expand...
Yes that was my point. Brown does not belong in that elite class that can make things happen for themselves.
Click to expand...
Brown averaging 95 total yards per game, ~ 4 catches, and .66 TDs per game.That projects to 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs. That's not elite?
Click to expand...
Thanks for doing the math on that. Ronnie is good.
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No - Ronnie is GREAT. I've watched him make 7 yard plays out of diddly plus squat - he runs THROUGH tackles. Whoever said he doesn't invent for himself has NOT watched the Dolphins play and is going off some vague feeling (or is a meathead).
Click to expand...
I've watched the Dolphins play this year. Ronnie has 7 carries total that have gone for at least 7 yards. Which of those 7 carries has he created the yards himself?
Click to expand...
P.S. the vast majority of the times a back gets more than 7 yards, he created the yards himself. Usually by juking the LB or breaking a tackle. Dumb question.
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You were the one that said he was so great that he creates 7 yard runs for himself. I disagree with that assessment of his running skills. He's now on pace for 950 yards rushing which is far less than elite IMO.
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Trying to find the incongruity of my statements - or my assessment of RBrown. He averaged 4 yards a carry today - and he had 8 catches for 62 yards. He had 111 total yards today. As was mentioned above, before this week's game, he was on pace for 1520 total yards, 60 catches, and 11 TDs.He is now on pace for more total yardage, more catches, and one less TD. I'll take that from any fantasy back.

 
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