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On these message boards, you need to back up your assertions with facts that are true.Unfortunately, you can't do that, so you are a frustrated Brown owner looking for somewhere to vent. We have a venting thread for that.
Stop with that common sense and facts talk, others may get annoyed.
I didn't call him a bust. I just don't think his running skills are anything special. He has good skills in the passing game though.Synthesizer has a vendetta - #12 back in a non-PPR league is, by definition, not a fantasy "bust" You have a RB1. The "worst" RB1, but an RB1. By DEFINITION, Ronnie Brown is not a bust for you.He's #12 in PPG in my non PPR league. Meh.He is ranked #6 right now in my NON PPR performance league.And it starts. His rushing stats are terrible right now. Probably don't want to go there.
Really? I can't just watch a guy and decide that I don't think he has very good vision or the quickness to turn a run outside? I guess I'll just have to stick to the fact that he's on pace to play all 16 games and finish with 950 yards rushing.
Unfortunately, you can't do that, so you are a frustrated Brown owner looking for somewhere to vent. We have a venting thread for that.
I think its kind of funny that you were the first to quote what I wrote. No one else took notice of it and the facts presented therein. Thank you for that. I also think that the bashers cannot attack truth and that is what was presented.
Maybe you should watch him play:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DliJfETcpTA
have you watched the games? it's not Culpepper, it's the O-Line.
And 650 yards recieving. For 1600 total yards. Not bad.Really? I can't just watch a guy and decide that I don't think he has very good vision or the quickness to turn a run outside? I guess I'll just have to stick to the fact that he's on pace to play all 16 games and finish with 950 yards rushing.
Unfortunately, you can't do that, so you are a frustrated Brown owner looking for somewhere to vent. We have a venting thread for that.
Thanks for the link.j3r3m3y said:
Hadn't seen that. Seeing how good he looked last year makes it even harder to understand how he can look so bad this year. There were plenty of highlights there where there was no hole in front of him but he still made things happen. Interesting.
For the last time Ronnie has not looked bad this year. Unless you call looking bad the following: Gets the hand off 4 yards deep then gets hit after moving forward 1 yard, breaks the tackle and then moves forward another yard where he is net by another tackler where he lowers his shoulder and moves this guy 3 yards before he is met by two other defenders where he drags all 3 of them another 2 yards for a 3 yard gain. To me that is a good run with TERRIBLE blocking. HE IS NOT LOOKING BAD, THE OL IS.Thanks for the link.j3r3m3y said:
For the last time Ronnie has not looked bad this year. Unless you call looking bad the following: Gets the hand off 4 yards deep then gets hit after moving forward 1 yard, breaks the tackle and then moves forward another yard where he is net by another tackler where he lowers his shoulder and moves this guy 3 yards before he is met by two other defenders where he drags all 3 of them another 2 yards for a 3 yard gain. To me that is a good run with TERRIBLE blocking. HE IS NOT LOOKING BAD, THE OL IS.Thanks for the link.j3r3m3y said:
againSynthesizer said:Really? I can't just watch a guy and decide that I don't think he has very good vision or the quickness to turn a run outside? I guess I'll just have to stick to the fact that he's on pace to play all 16 games and finish with 950 yards rushing.Marc Levin said:Synthesizer said:
Unfortunately, you can't do that, so you are a frustrated Brown owner looking for somewhere to vent. We have a venting thread for that.
He may be on pace for 950 rushing, but he's had 15, 15, and 12 carries in three of the four games. If he's not getting carries, what's he supposed to do?
Like i have repeatedly said - you have not watched him play.He's doing the same thing this year - usually on screen passes, but a few times on runs, as wellThanks for the link.j3r3m3y said:
But, screen passes work great.
This is a good argument we have going here."You have not watched him play."Like i have repeatedly said - you have not watched him play.He's doing the same thing this year - usually on screen passes, but a few times on runs, as wellThanks for the link.j3r3m3y said:
Are you sure you aren't mistaking Lee Suggs for Ronnie?This is a good argument we have going here."You have not watched him play."Like i have repeatedly said - you have not watched him play.He's doing the same thing this year - usually on screen passes, but a few times on runs, as wellThanks for the link.j3r3m3y said:
"Yes I have and I don't think he has looked very good this year."
"No you haven't watched him."
"Yes I have".
Maybe I should just resort to calling you a meathead.
Your opinion is your opinion - it just happens to be contrary to everyone else's who has watched Ronnie run.Therefore, I'll choose two options - either you aren't actually watching him run, oir your opinion is wrong.This is a good argument we have going here."You have not watched him play."Like i have repeatedly said - you have not watched him play.He's doing the same thing this year - usually on screen passes, but a few times on runs, as wellThanks for the link.j3r3m3y said:
"Yes I have and I don't think he has looked very good this year."
"No you haven't watched him."
"Yes I have".
Maybe I should just resort to calling you a meathead.
And if you take away those two TD's he's been really bad.....
I respectfully disagree. In traditional scoring (1 point per 10 yards, 6 points per td, no PPR) Brown is 12th, right below Maroney and above McGahee. In my lone 10 team league he was drafted at 1.5. He is NOT a RB1 and if you discount his first game his stats are pretty bad.From a statistical standpoint it is not acceptable to discount that first game, however, in the FF world I think it is reasonable. In many situations I can see where his first game won fantasy games for his owner and unfortunately set some expectations of 15+ points per game. His subsequent performances in the following 3 games is bust-worthy for those in 10 team leagues who drafted him as a RB1. So, you could argue that he's had 1 stud game and 3 bust games. Maybe not a total bust, but it's not at all unreasonable to worry that he may end up being a bust and seriously underperforming his ADP.In the interest of full disclosure I am NOT a Ronnie Brown owner in any of my leagues. I am considering targeting him for trade, though I'm not certain. He has not excelled against poor defenses, the line is not improving, and neither is Culpepper. With an injury or two to the line or WR corps one could argue that Brown could actually do a little worse, or at the very least not improve significantly.Now, since this is the FBG board, please commence flaming me for playing in a 10 team, non-PPR league. Clearly my my post in this thread is useless and I am a total guppy because not all of my leagues have 1700 teams with 500 man rosters, PPR and IDP.IMO this is a useful thread. If Brown is doing well in your league for whatever reason why don't you just move along. This thread is for those who are concerned about his production. Clearly in some leagues he looks pretty bad and those people have a right to discuss him and his performance.Synthesizer has a vendetta - #12 back in a non-PPR league is, by definition, not a fantasy "bust" You have a RB1. The "worst" RB1, but an RB1. By DEFINITION, Ronnie Brown is not a bust for you.He's #12 in PPG in my non PPR league. Meh.He is ranked #6 right now in my NON PPR performance league.
I respectfully disagree. In traditional scoring (1 point per 10 yards, 6 points per td, no PPR) Brown is 12th, right below Maroney and above McGahee. In my lone 10 team league he was drafted at 1.5. He is NOT a RB1 and if you discount his first game his stats are pretty bad.From a statistical standpoint it is not acceptable to discount that first game, however, in the FF world I think it is reasonable. In many situations I can see where his first game won fantasy games for his owner and unfortunately set some expectations of 15+ points per game. His subsequent performances in the following 3 games is bust-worthy for those in 10 team leagues who drafted him as a RB1. So, you could argue that he's had 1 stud game and 3 bust games. Maybe not a total bust, but it's not at all unreasonable to worry that he may end up being a bust and seriously underperforming his ADP.Synthesizer has a vendetta - #12 back in a non-PPR league is, by definition, not a fantasy "bust" You have a RB1. The "worst" RB1, but an RB1. By DEFINITION, Ronnie Brown is not a bust for you.He's #12 in PPG in my non PPR league. Meh.He is ranked #6 right now in my NON PPR performance league.
In the interest of full disclosure I am NOT a Ronnie Brown owner in any of my leagues. I am considering targeting him for trade, though I'm not certain. He has not excelled against poor defenses, the line is not improving, and neither is Culpepper. With an injury or two to the line or WR corps one could argue that Brown could actually do a little worse, or at the very least not improve significantly.
Now, since this is the FBG board, please commence flaming me for playing in a 10 team, non-PPR league. Clearly my my post in this thread is useless and I am a total guppy because not all of my leagues have 1700 teams with 500 man rosters, PPR and IDP.
IMO this is a useful thread. If Brown is doing well in your league for whatever reason why don't you just move along. This thread is for those who are concerned about his production. Clearly in some leagues he looks pretty bad and those people have a right to discuss him and his performance.
What the heck are threads on this site for, if not for debate?This thread is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing--debating the merits of the argument of whether Ronnie Brown is a bust or not. As the 7th-rated fantasy RB in my league (after the first 3 weeks), no way you can legitimately call him a bust.
Being the 12th best back in your scoring league is not bad considering everything has gone wrong in Miami so far. As for the defenses, i wouldn't let that impact your decision. If you can get a guy to trade Brown because he thinks like some of the guys on this thread; go ahead and take advantage of him. Even on his bad games, he has never totally busted. Basically he gets what LT2 got this week EVERY week at the minimum. In some ways you can see he is consistent because his worst game was 10 points.BTW, discounting 25% of his games is silly.I respectfully disagree. In traditional scoring (1 point per 10 yards, 6 points per td, no PPR) Brown is 12th, right below Maroney and above McGahee. In my lone 10 team league he was drafted at 1.5. He is NOT a RB1 and if you discount his first game his stats are pretty bad.From a statistical standpoint it is not acceptable to discount that first game, however, in the FF world I think it is reasonable. In many situations I can see where his first game won fantasy games for his owner and unfortunately set some expectations of 15+ points per game. His subsequent performances in the following 3 games is bust-worthy for those in 10 team leagues who drafted him as a RB1. So, you could argue that he's had 1 stud game and 3 bust games. Maybe not a total bust, but it's not at all unreasonable to worry that he may end up being a bust and seriously underperforming his ADP.In the interest of full disclosure I am NOT a Ronnie Brown owner in any of my leagues. I am considering targeting him for trade, though I'm not certain. He has not excelled against poor defenses, the line is not improving, and neither is Culpepper. With an injury or two to the line or WR corps one could argue that Brown could actually do a little worse, or at the very least not improve significantly.Now, since this is the FBG board, please commence flaming me for playing in a 10 team, non-PPR league. Clearly my my post in this thread is useless and I am a total guppy because not all of my leagues have 1700 teams with 500 man rosters, PPR and IDP.IMO this is a useful thread. If Brown is doing well in your league for whatever reason why don't you just move along. This thread is for those who are concerned about his production. Clearly in some leagues he looks pretty bad and those people have a right to discuss him and his performance.Synthesizer has a vendetta - #12 back in a non-PPR league is, by definition, not a fantasy "bust" You have a RB1. The "worst" RB1, but an RB1. By DEFINITION, Ronnie Brown is not a bust for you.He's #12 in PPG in my non PPR league. Meh.He is ranked #6 right now in my NON PPR performance league.
Translation:"This post is for those who agree with me. No one else has a right to voice an opinion."
More likely we are choosing different plays to remember. I have watched the better part of 3 of the Dolphins games this season, and most of their preseason, and I see the same problems that were ailing him last year. Yes, ramming him up the middle where there are no holes would account for bad rushing totals, but being that his only admirable ypc are straight up the gut (4.4), I'd have to be inclined to believe that you're choosing to remember plays not as they happened.It's not just that he goes down on first contact on a regular basis, but that he turns around and puts the back of his lead shoulder into defenders to brace for impact. This is coachable, but I've yet to see any difference in his game. What I am noticing is that he's not getting tired like he was last year. Whether that's just because this is only the start of the season or because of the proverbial "rookie wall" from last year, but time will be the determining factor there.Like I said though, it matters not that he's looking like a below average rusher since his receiving skills are among tops in the league, and this Dolphin team which has only led for a few minutes across four games will continue to play from behind all season, and it appears as if his receiving totals are all but mitigating the poor rushing totals. Not what most people expected when they drafted him (not to that extent), but I doubt you'll find too many fantasy owners that are unhappy with his ppg so far.Most of the dismay seems to be a result of "we don't think these gaudy receiving totals will continue, and then he'll be worthless," which I think is a valid point, but I don't really see a reason to believe that the receiving numbers won't, especially given his trouble running.
I dont think "goes down on first contact" and "Ronnie Brown" belong in the same sentence. He may not have high rush totals, but man, he fights for everything.
He's still top 10 non-PPR and hasn't had a game less than 10 points. If more people are thinking like you it's about time for me to make some trade offers.Totally not what I meant and I apologize that I didn't do a better job communicating. When I entered this thread I thought it was a discussion about whether or not the growing chorus chanting "bust" would increase or dissipate based on future performance. I may have been right or wrong, but that was my expectation. Based on the title I was assuming that discussion would be dominated by those who think Brown has underperformed. I thought debate would center on his prospects going forward. That is a lot of assumption and I was probably wrong to assume that much. I got frustrated by the numerous posters who think it is totally insane that anyone could consider Brown on the cusp of being labeled a bust. An evaluation of Brown's performance is entirely subjective to your league's rules. I play in some leagues where is doing pretty well and others where he is definitely not. Regardless of his performance in your league he has underperformed ADP in non-PPR leagues and while "bust" may be too strong a word, many thought that Brown becoming the focal point of the offense would catapult him into or near the elite tier. Those people are disappointed and have a right to be. He has not lived up to most people’s expectations thus far.I am just sick and tired of the numerous threads that have posters being rude, insulting, or demeaning to one another. For instance last week there was a thread about Colston and his TE eligibility in some leagues. The poster wanted to discuss where Colston ranked if your league allows him to be played as a TE. The guy was flamed to no end by those protesters who were incensed that anyone possibly play the guy at TE. In the end a FBG staff member came on and basically said that it was a legitimate discussion and that if you didn't have anything to contribute that you should just move on. I was trying to echo that sentiment, which I think was the right thing to do and I would do it again next time. However, I realize in my haste that perhaps I made an assumption about the purpose of this thread that not everyone else made.I always welcome debate. In fact I relish it. However I really don't have patience for flame wars that compare apples to oranges and posters that are rude and demeaning to one another, especially those, ahem, "sharks" that can't help but demean guppies and those in smaller and less complex leagues.
Wow, you are amazing.Will you bump this and point to your prognostications if Ronnie Brown gets 76 rushing yards this weekend, and will then be on pace to get more than 1000 yards?
I completely agree. Brown is underperforming. What is concerning is the play of the QB and o-line. If they don't improve it will be difficult for Ronnie to get better. Still, there are many games left to play.
10 standard FPs per game is "bust?"And how can you place that label on him after only 4 games?It is not UNreasonable that he busts out - I acknowledged that above when I said if he continues to fail to find the end zone, there is a problem with him as a RB1.That said, he is not CURRENTLY a bust, nor are his numbers indicative that he is heading towards bust status.
Just looking over your arguments in the thread, I am looking forward to Ronnie's statistics at the end of the year. Throwing out a 1000 dollar bet as a way to prove your point is very comical. He is one of the best dynasty prospects out there, and it is very curious that Saban would waste the 2nd overall pick on a back that he doesn't think can carry the load (especially when Benson and Cadillac were still available). Of course his work load this year and the percentage of carries he is getting also point to the fact that Saban feels Ronnie is a full time back.
Not to mention the fact that he had 907 yds last year, and Ricky Williams had 743. Getting 1000 yards is not that difficult. He is on pace for just below 1000, and he ha snot had a good rushing gam eyet. Yes, the o-line sucks, yes, Culpepper is not that good.Just looking over your arguments in the thread, I am looking forward to Ronnie's statistics at the end of the year. Throwing out a 1000 dollar bet as a way to prove your point is very comical. He is one of the best dynasty prospects out there, and it is very curious that Saban would waste the 2nd overall pick on a back that he doesn't think can carry the load (especially when Benson and Cadillac were still available). Of course his work load this year and the percentage of carries he is getting also point to the fact that Saban feels Ronnie is a full time back.
I never said he was a bust. I said "Maybe not a total bust, but it's not at all unreasonable to worry that he may end up being a bust and seriously underperforming his ADP." and I stand by it. The closest I came was to say he had "3 bust games." At 10 ppg I should have said underperforming. I apologize for one incorrect word in my post.
I agree.
this is a great statement I am in a TD heavy 14 team league and my first three picks were Brown, Owens and Dunn its really splitting hairs if you are complaining that your 1.09 OA pick is performing at 1.18 level thats why you draft a whole team.......BTW Im am holding the fort at 2 and 2....thanks to Kasey, Scobee, Indy and Bal defenses. Penny has been handy as well
Im not complaining. This guy has been worth every bit of the #3 rookie pick I spent on him last year.
Ronnie is ranked 12th in my league. What a bust!
